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Kathianne
08-08-2012, 05:07 PM
Actually law is not where most folks should be applying, the hiring and salaries are horrid. The costs of the education are beyond the earning power for most. This one school though, red flags abound:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2012/08/st-louis.html


St. Louis Law School Dean Resigns Abruptly, Blasts University Administration http://taxprof.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4eab53ef0176171a3626970c-150wi (http://taxprof.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4eab53ef0176171a3626970c-popup)After only one year as Dean at St. Louis University School of Law, Annette Clark (http://www.slu.edu/colleges/law/slulaw/faculty/aclark43) resigned today and released two remarkable letters. Here is the letter to the university president and vice-president (http://www.scribd.com/doc/102367564/SLU-Law-Dean-Annette-E-Clark-Resignation-Letter-8-8-12):
I resign my deanship at Saint Louis University School of Law, effective immediately. For the present, I will remain a tenured full professor on the law school faculty as is my contractual right. I no longer have confidence in either of your abilities to lead this institution or in your commitment to the well-being of the School of Law. ...

Through these and many other acts I could list, you have failed to make good on your assurances to me when I accepted the deanship that you would fully support the law school and our efforts to enhance its program of legal education, national reputation and rankings. From the beginning of my deanship, you have evinced hostility toward the law school and its faculty and have treated me dismissively and with disrespect, issuing orders and edicts that allowed me virtually no opportunity to exercise the very discretion, judgment and experience for which you and the faculty enthusiastically hired me. You have not consulted me on important matters involving the law school’s interests, you have failed to honor commitments that I had assured the faculty you would keep, and you have accused me of being uncooperative and not being a team player when I have objected to these actions.

It is the ultimate irony that a Jesuit university would operate so far outside the bounds of common decency, collegiality, professionalism and integrity. I simply cannot be part of, and I assure you I will not be complicit with, an administration that can’t be trusted to act honestly and in the best interests of its faculty, staff and students. I therefore resign my deanship in the School of Law...

fj1200
08-09-2012, 07:35 AM
^But she'll keep her tenured position?

Kathianne
08-09-2012, 04:14 PM
^But she'll keep her tenured position?

I don't know if she can with that second letter, looks like she may have broken a contractual item? However, they may run into problems if she has a list of what they've done wrong. Pretty sure there's plenty there.

avatar4321
08-09-2012, 09:45 PM
I agree. law is not really an area to study. Law school does not pay for itself unless you know someone wealthy to get you a good job. Most law jobs do not come close to what they promise you.

I seriously think the legal profession needs to return to the apprenticeship system. It would be far more educational on the practical ways of doing law and would be much cheaper.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-09-2012, 10:21 PM
Actually law is not where most folks should be applying, the hiring and salaries are horrid. The costs of the education are beyond the earning power for most. This one school though, red flags abound:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2012/08/st-louis.html

A lady with that much integrity is going to find a hard row to hoe in this 'ole tired and evil world!
I wish her the best of luck because her sense of honor and justice will make her life very hard indeed! -Tyr

PostmodernProphet
08-10-2012, 08:01 AM
A lady with that much integrity is going to find a hard row to hoe in this 'ole tired and evil world!
I wish her the best of luck because her sense of honor and justice will make her life very hard indeed! -Tyr

???....how do you know she isn't lying about all of it?......

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-10-2012, 08:08 AM
???....how do you know she isn't lying about all of it?......

Well, if she is lying then the opposite of my comment should apply. Very likely as time passes more info will come out about it all and we can better judge with party is lying.Taken at face value my comment stands well IMHO.-Tyr

Kathianne
08-10-2012, 09:06 AM
I agree. law is not really an area to study. Law school does not pay for itself unless you know someone wealthy to get you a good job. Most law jobs do not come close to what they promise you.

I seriously think the legal profession needs to return to the apprenticeship system. It would be far more educational on the practical ways of doing law and would be much cheaper.

Well it's been a truism for years that law school grads are shocked to find out that most start at around $45k per years, about the same as most BA/BS grads. So right there they are 3 years and $140k behind that start. There are exceptions, as you said, family ties. Then again, big name schools help.

My niece got her BA from a local university on full-ride scholarship. Got her MBA at Northwestern, partial scholarship. Took a year off, did 2 years at University of FL, Tampa; working summer internships in NY, under a professor at Columbia. She finished her 3rd year at Columbia, already promised a position at the NY firm, over $200k to start. Granted she's brilliant, but it was a lot of perseverance on her part. She works literally now, 4 years later, over 85 hours a week.