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Kathianne
08-13-2012, 05:18 PM
Only liberals could claim this as an Obama 'win.' Actually I guess it is their normal definition of 'success.'

http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/2012/08/report_us_treasury_ups_expecte.html


DETROIT, MI- The U.S. Treasury Department reportedly expects to lose more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout (http://topics.mlive.com/tag/auto%20bailout/index.html)involving General Motors and Chrysler.


A new report sent to Congress on Friday states the Obama administration now expects to lose about $25.1 billion, according to the Detroit News.



Aug. 13, DetroitNews.com: (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120813/AUTO01/208130392) “The report may still underestimate the losses. The report covers predicted losses through May 31, when GM's stock price was $22.20 a share.” ...

KarlMarx
08-13-2012, 07:01 PM
It's the same logic that was used by the administration to say that real economic progress has been made, that jobs are being created, we are in a recovery...

These guys lie so much, they need a database just to keep track of which lies they lied and why they lied about it in the first place

Kathianne
08-13-2012, 10:51 PM
My friends, it gets worse:

http://senatorjohnblutarsky.blogspot.com/2012/08/why-auto-bailout-is-far-costlier-than.html


Why The Auto Bailout Is Far Costlier Than Treasury Claims
UPDATE: INSTALANCHE! THANKS PROFESSOR!

Via Instapundit (http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/148532/), the Treasury Department now estimates taxpayers' losses on the auto bailout at $25 billion (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120813/AUTO01/208130392). This figure, however, relies on some optimistic assumptions; the reality is likely to be far worse.

One optimistic assumption is noted by the Detroit News in the linked article: GM's stock price. The $25 billion figure (equal to 46.7 solyndras (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/312661/big-numbers-demand-new-labels-mark-krikorian)) is based on GM's closing price at the end of May, $22.20. However, the stock has continued to decline through the Summer and despite rallying off its late July lows, the stock now stands at $20.47, at which price the loss on GM is $850 million (or 1.6 solyndras) greater than in May. Were the stock to retest its 52-week low of $18.72, the loss would be $1.75 billion (or 3.3 solyndras) more than the Treasury estimate.

Optimistic assumptions are also embedded in GM's balance sheet, for example in its pension plan accounting. At the end of 2011 GM estimated that its domestic pension plans were underfunded by $25.4 billion, but this figure relied on an assumed long term return on plan assets of 8.00%. When ten-year US Treasuries are yielding 1.65%, "optimistic" doesn't quite capture the full measure by which GM's estimate is detached from reality. The term "lunatic" springs to mind as a more accurate substitute.

A recent market transaction illustrates just how faulty GM's accounting is. GM is ridding itself of what it claims are $26 billion in pension liabilities, mainly by shifting them to Prudential. If the $26 billion estimate were accurate, then that should be roughly what it costs GM to rid itself of the liability. How much is GM actually spending? Try $32 billion (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577440482972665496.html): $29 billion to Prudential, plus $3 billion in pension buyout costs. If GM has similarly underestimated the value of the rest of its pension obligations, then the actual level of underfunding at the end of 2011 was not $25.4 billion but $50.5 billion, roughly double the claimed amount.

Then there are the assumptions we can't see, for example, those surrounding the Bank of Obama, aka Ally Financial. Best known now as a retail bank with cutesy commercials, Ally is really just the old GMAC - the financing arm of GM. The government directly owns 74% of Ally, and effectively controls another 9.9% still owned by GM.

How much will we lose on Ally Financial? Nobody knows, because we don't have a market value for it. The planned IPO was pulled in June, allegedly due to poor market conditions. In other words, going ahead with Ally's IPO this Summer would have made explicit, heading into an election campaign, just how many billions of taxpayer dollars were squandered propping up GM's own subprime mortgage lender. Better to pull the IPO and let the full scope of the loss remain unquantifiable, lest the proles start asking questions.

I could keep going but you get the idea: a taxpayer loss of $25 billion on the auto bailout isn't so much an estimate as a wish.

Voted4Reagan
08-14-2012, 05:44 AM
GENERAL MOTORS + OBAMA + GOVERNMENT BAILOUT = EPIC FAIL-OUT

How many VOLTS will they have to sell to cover the $25 Billion?