View Full Version : Obama Rejects Catholic Cardinal At DNC Convention
taft2012
08-26-2012, 02:56 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/cardinal-timothy-dolan/2012/08/24/obama-turns-down-catholic-bishop-s-request-do-prayer-dnc
WASHINGTON — President Obama turned down a chance to have Timothy Cardinal Dolan deliver a prayer at the Democratic National Convention after Dolan told Democrats he would be “grateful” to deliver a blessing in Charlotte.
Dolan — considered the top Catholic official in the nation, as head of the Archdiocese of New York and president of the Conference of Catholic Bishops — tipped off Democrats a few weeks ago that he had agreed to deliver the prime-time benediction at the Republican convention in Tampa next week, Dolan’s spokesman Joseph Zwilling told The Post.
How much more will it take for people to wake up?
aboutime
08-26-2012, 03:54 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/cardinal-timothy-dolan/2012/08/24/obama-turns-down-catholic-bishop-s-request-do-prayer-dnc
How much more will it take for people to wake up?
Obama would rather have Rev. Wright, or Achmadinnerjacket pray for Muslim beliefs, and Socialistic programs for Gullible, Easily Led, and Convinced voters who are still waiting for those OBAMA BUCKS.
jafar00
08-26-2012, 04:46 PM
Obama isn't Catholic. Where is the story?
jimnyc
08-26-2012, 05:49 PM
Obama isn't Catholic. Where is the story?
Actually, yes, he is. But regardless, this is a convention for the entire party, not just Obama. My belief would to have in attendance major figures from all faiths.
Missileman
08-26-2012, 07:01 PM
Actually, yes, he is. But regardless, this is a convention for the entire party, not just Obama. My belief would to have in attendance major figures from all faiths.
Pretty sure Obama is NOT a Catholic.
I am not sure he has ANY religious belief system...if anything he is Black LIberation adherent.
jimnyc
08-26-2012, 07:04 PM
Pretty sure Obama is NOT a Catholic.
President Barack Obama says convincing doubters that he is a Christian isn't part of his job description. Mitt Romney tells skeptics of his faith: "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind" and pleads for tolerance.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-not-job-convince-folks-m-christian-150602797.html
COLUMBIA, S.C. — Barack Obama is stepping up his effort to correct the misconception that he's a Muslim now that the presidential campaign has hit the Bible Belt.
At a rally to kick off a weeklong campaign for the South Carolina primary, Obama tried to set the record straight from an attack circulating widely on the Internet that is designed to play into prejudices against Muslims and fears of terrorism.
"I've been to the same church _ the same Christian church _ for almost 20 years," Obama said, stressing the word Christian and drawing cheers from the faithful in reply. "I was sworn in with my hand on the family Bible. Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. So if you get some silly e-mail ... send it back to whoever sent it and tell them this is all crazy. Educate."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22767392/ns/politics-decision_08/t/obama-sets-record-straight-his-religion/#.UDq5bKOQmcs
Missileman
08-26-2012, 07:06 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-not-job-convince-folks-m-christian-150602797.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22767392/ns/politics-decision_08/t/obama-sets-record-straight-his-religion/#.UDq5bKOQmcs
All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholic.
Catholic actually means "universal".....but as stated Cathloics consider themselves "separate" but the only "true" Church.
jimnyc
08-26-2012, 07:09 PM
All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholic.
Oh, my bad then. I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to religion. I kinda always treated Catholicism and Christianity the same, even though there are differences. I'm ignorant there I suppose. I thought I was mostly correcting the belief of many that Obama is a Muslim, was one, still is...
Missileman
08-26-2012, 07:12 PM
Oh, my bad then. I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to religion. I kinda always treated Catholicism and Christianity the same, even though there are differences. I'm ignorant there I suppose. I thought I was mostly correcting the belief of many that Obama is a Muslim, was one, still is...
I'm much more distressed at his political ideology than which religion he follows.
And given the contraversy over birth control in health plans and the Dems pro-choice stance on abortion, I find it hard to understand how any Catholic could support a liberal candidate. That kinda goes to the point Jafar was making I think.
It states in the story that they've got someone else, a 'high ranking catholic official' who will be attending, though things haven't been finalised yet. What a non-story.
Missileman
08-26-2012, 07:21 PM
It states in the story that they've got someone else, a 'high ranking catholic official' who will be attending, though things haven't been finalised yet. What a non-story.
Attending, but probably denied any mic time.
We'll see, I wouldn't put it past him to bring in Phleger his good friend and partner in the "Social Justice" fraud.
Attending, but probably denied any mic time.
Why would they need mic time? Its a political conference...
Kathianne
08-26-2012, 07:31 PM
I'm pretty certain that Obama worships no deity other than himself. Well that would be wrong, he expects others to worship him, he worships nothing. Not religious in any sense of the word. Not Muslim, Christian, Deist, or anything.
Missileman
08-26-2012, 07:33 PM
Why would they need mic time? Its a political conference...
The Catholic Church is involved in politics.
Kathianne
08-26-2012, 07:36 PM
The Catholic Church is involved in politics.
In which ways do you mean?
The Catholic Church is involved in politics.
Every organisation is involved in some sort of politics. But regardless no church should think have the god-given (pun!) right to speak at some event, when its not their event.
Every organisation is involved in some sort of politics. But regardless no church should think have the god-given (pun!) right to speak at some event, when its not their event.
He wanted to make sure that they knew that this was not a partisan act on his part and that he would be just as happy and grateful to accept an invitation from the Democrats as he would to have received one from the Republicans,” said Zwilling.
Nobody was "assuming" anything but you it seems.
Missileman
08-26-2012, 07:50 PM
In which ways do you mean?
Nothing sinister or untoward, but clergy lobbying Congressmen and Senators in an official capacity falls into that category.
He wanted to make sure that they knew that this was not a partisan act on his part and that he would be just as happy and grateful to accept an invitation from the Democrats as he would to have received one from the Republicans,” said Zwilling.
Nobody was "assuming" anything but you it seems.
Yeah, and they know, and didn't want him to speak. Great, who cares?
Kathianne
08-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Nothing sinister or untoward, but clergy lobbying Congressmen and Senators in an official capacity falls into that category.
Yet, he wasn't lobbying, just responding to a question.
Yeah, and they know, and didn't want him to speak. Great, who cares?
But regardless no church should think have the god-given (pun!) right to speak at some event, when its not their event.
One must remember what one types....YOU assumed they were "demanding" time, they weren't....
taft2012
08-26-2012, 08:15 PM
It states in the story that they've got someone else, a 'high ranking catholic official' who will be attending, though things haven't been finalised yet. What a non-story.
Unless the other "high ranking Catholic official" is Pope Benedict, Obama is opting for a subordinate when he had the opportunity for the big enchilada.
I'm guessing it's old Father Fleabag Fleeger (Pheelger?) from the Chicago liberation theology school.
Unless the other "high ranking Catholic official" is Pope Benedict, Obama is opting for a subordinate when he had the opportunity for the big enchilada.
I'm guessing it's old Father Fleabag Fleeger (Pheelger?) from the Chicago liberation theology school.
Thats my guess too.
But regardless no church should think have the god-given (pun!) right to speak at some event, when its not their event.
One must remember what one types....YOU assumed they were "demanding" time, they weren't....
The only reason this would be a story, is if Obama was denying something that should happen.
That is why my first post said this is a non-story.
MM said that the Catholic should have 'mic time', i do not think so, thus my text you quoted.
Unless the other "high ranking Catholic official" is Pope Benedict, Obama is opting for a subordinate when he had the opportunity for the big enchilada.
I'm guessing it's old Father Fleabag Fleeger (Pheelger?) from the Chicago liberation theology school.
Why would anyone care which catholic is sitting listening to a load of dems giving speeches?
Kathianne
08-26-2012, 08:38 PM
Why would anyone care which catholic is sitting listening to a load of dems giving speeches?
And that is where atheism takes you on current events.
Missileman
08-26-2012, 08:58 PM
Yet, he wasn't lobbying, just responding to a question.
Of whom are you referring?
Kathianne
08-26-2012, 09:54 PM
Of whom are you referring?
The Cardinal.
taft2012
08-27-2012, 06:40 AM
Why would anyone care which catholic is sitting listening to a load of dems giving speeches?
You continue to miss more points than a bald porcupine.
The cardinal offered to deliver a benediction at the DNC convention.
The DNC refused, basically saying "we have one of your subordinates coming here to speak." In light of the cardinal's clashes with the Obama administration on gay marriage and forcing churches to pay for contraceptive coverage, do you anticipate this subordinate delivering a simple benediction or using the mic time to undermine Cardinal Dolan and the entire Catholic Church?
Can you now divine where all of this is heading, or will you continue on this path of willful ignorance?
Who cares? A legion of practicing Catholics and numerous independent Christian denominations who rely on the organization of Catholicism to lead the efforts on the political front.
Who cares? Maybe if Obama and the Dems *REALLY* don't care they'll skip the traditional Al Smith dinner in October? I'd be interested in them showing us how much they don't care.
Ah, how far the Dems have fallen. A mere 52 years ago they were leading the way to show the nation that a Roman Catholic can serve as POTUS. Now they are the ones questioning whether or not Roman Catholics are fit to be POTUS (see Santorum campaign) and will not accept benedictions from the nation's leading Roman Catholic.
It's a pattern. Look at asians. When immigrants/minorities are no longer dependent upon the largesse of politicians, their wealth redistribution policies, and racial quota politics, the Dems have no further use for them and cast them aside. At times even becoming hostile to them.
Catholics now fit into category as well, and it all serves as evidence that the Dems do not want immigrant/minority success, but rather complete subservience and dependency.
Missileman
08-27-2012, 03:36 PM
The Cardinal.
I wasn't being that specific in my comment, and I'm unaware if this Cardinal has lobbied congress, but others have.
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-27-2012, 06:29 PM
I'm pretty certain that Obama worships no deity other than himself. Well that would be wrong, he expects others to worship him, he worships nothing. Not religious in any sense of the word. Not Muslim, Christian, Deist, or anything.
I suspect that he worships himself and Allah. Probably considers himself a modern prophet of Islam. Definitely a muslim in hiding that was raised on Marxist propaganda and found it good because its enemy of America and what America stands for--FREEDOM!-Tyr
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