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red states rule
09-09-2012, 05:54 AM
Allow to say up front I do not pity these teachers. They should be happy to have a job period. The city and taxpayers are broke. Seems to me these people are greedy and should not be demanding more from the taxpayers. They make a decent living now and there is no reason to be holding the kids hostage





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A top sticking point? Pay increases to compensate teachers for working a longer school (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#) day. But just how do teachers’ salaries here compare to teachers’ salaries across the country?
A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000.

But a Teachers Union attorney said the number provided by CPS doesn’t tell the whole story.

“When you’re looking at compensation, it’s not enough just to look at salary, because Chicago Public Schools teachers have to pay more for their insurance, and they get less of a contribution from the employer for their pension than in other cities,” CTU attorney Robert Bloch said.
Bloch said per-pupil pay is lower in Chicago than in many cities, too. He said those factors need to be taken into consideration, by both CPS and the public.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/12/how-much-do-chicago-public-school-teachers-make/




and the Union wants a 30% pay raise for the teachers?






It takes a lot of nerve to ask for a 30 percent pay raise. You’d better be sure you had a banner year. Yet in Chicago, where just 15 percent of fourth graders (http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/dst2011/2012455.pdf) are proficient in reading (and just 56 percent of students graduate (http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/notebook/2011/07/14/record-high-school-graduation-rates)), the teachers union is set to strike if the district does not agree to a 30 percent increase in teachers’ salaries.

The average teacher in Chicago Public Schools—a district facing a $700 million deficit (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-28/news/ct-met-cps-budget-preview0328-20120328_1_cps-budget-budget-deficit-school-day)—makes $71,000 per year (http://iirc.niu.edu/District.aspx?districtid=15016299025) before benefits are included. If the district meets union demands and rewards teachers with the requested salary increase, education employees will receive compensation north of $92,000 per year (http://www.illinoispolicy.org/blog/blog.asp?ArticleSource=4685).

According to the Illinois Policy Institute, the average annual income of a familyin Chicago is $47,000 per year (http://www.illinoispolicy.org/blog/blog.asp?ArticleSource=4685). If implemented, the 30 percent raise will mean that in nine months, a single teacher in the Chicago Public School system will take home nearly double what the average family in the city earns in a year.

According to the union, 91 percent of its members voted for the ability to strike. That vote gives the union the ability to walk out of public school classrooms as children return to school this fall.
The union argues that Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) wants to extend the school day, and that the requested salary increase would compensate them for extending the school day from 5.5 hours—among the nation’s shortest school days—to 7.5 hours. Chicago Public Schools states that under the extended school day:


http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/12/chicago-teachers-union-demands-30-percent-pay-raise/

Voted4Reagan
09-09-2012, 07:35 AM
Back to work a week and they are already looking for time off.... I say let em Strike... Fire em all and replace em with teachers that work for the kids....not a Contract.

red states rule
09-10-2012, 03:16 AM
Back to work a week and they are already looking for time off.... I say let em Strike... Fire em all and replace em with teachers that work for the kids....not a Contract.

I nagree let them strike

Then they get some damn good substitute teachers to fill in who actually care about educating the kids

tailfins
09-10-2012, 06:16 AM
So how exactly was Scott Walker punished by the unions? If what is happening in Chicago is their idea of rewarding communities that support them, punishment from the union seems preferable.

aboutime
09-10-2012, 02:14 PM
I will enjoy watching this strike stretch on. If the Mayor, and the people of Chicago, who spend 13k per child, and pay teachers an average of 79,000 per year allow this to happen, while the Teachers force the city to find money for their Pension plans instead of accepting that 16 percent pay increase.

They deserve whatever happens. TRUTH IS. It is still Impossible to get BLOOD(money) out of a Stone(empty bank account).

Kathianne
09-10-2012, 03:04 PM
I will enjoy watching this strike stretch on. If the Mayor, and the people of Chicago, who spend 13k per child, and pay teachers an average of 79,000 per year allow this to happen, while the Teachers force the city to find money for their Pension plans instead of accepting that 16 percent pay increase.

They deserve whatever happens. TRUTH IS. It is still Impossible to get BLOOD(money) out of a Stone(empty bank account).

The pols will cave, but won't matter. Illinois is going bankrupt and Chicago is leading the way. Those union people will not be happy down the road, not with their salaries and certainly not with their pensions.

glockmail
09-10-2012, 04:42 PM
With Scott Walker's victory over the unions, who had blown their wad fighting him and don't have much left in their war chest, this would be an excellent opportunity to put the final nail in the coffin for public sector unions. But, it's Chicago, controlled by rotting, corrupt Democrats. It's amusing watching them flounder around over this. :laugh:

Thunderknuckles
09-10-2012, 05:23 PM
You might recall my post reporting the trouble brewing in Chicago here:
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?35504-Rahm-Emanuel-vs-Teachers-Union&highlight=

They wanted a %29 increase over two years at that time.
I asked how did we think was going to play out. I guess we'll find out now :)

Chicago Public Schools is facing a $700 million deficit for fiscal year 2013, Chicago has a budget shortfall of about $370 million, and Illinois is facing a $44 billion deficit - the worst in the U.S.

I don't see the teacher's union winning this one, strike or not. They might get a little something to save face but the fact is Illinois can't afford to rub two nickels together at this point.