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logroller
09-21-2012, 07:28 AM
Marijuana is already proven to alleviate nausea and pain related to cancer (http://www.examiner.com/topic/cancer) therapies, but these recent findings indicate a much more vast use for the natural plant which has been vilified by politicians and U.S. laws for decades.
The implications of further scientific research are staggering, yet severely limited, given current federal prohibition of the cannabis plant.McAllister's previous research has shown marijuana has anti-cancer properties as well.
After seeing the initial results of testing cancer cells with the CBD compounds found in marijuana, Desprez and McAllister wondered if they'd made an error, so they repeated the tests again and again, each time receiving the same result: the cancer cells not only stopped acting "crazy" but reverted to a normal, healthy state.

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Marijuana advocates have suspected these truths for decades but have found themselves widely shunned or ignored by U.S. lawmakers.
Dr. T.G., an oncologist who wishes to remain anonymous, told Examiner.com that her practice encourages early-stage cancer patients to use marijuana in an effort to slow cancer progression.
"I've treated patients dealing with cancers for nearly thirty years and I am convinced even consuming cannabis-laced edibles can have a noticeable effect in reduction of cancer cell growth over the long-term. Although cannabis flowers themselves don't contain enough of the CBD component to have the same effects as those in the California study, it is clear intensive research and human trials are warranted," said Dr. T.G. "But it would be much more efficient if all cancer research laboratories could test cannabis and, with federal restrictions on cannabis cultivation, that level of research is not viable."

http://www.examiner.com/article/ca-scientists-prove-marijuana-fights-aggressive-cancers-human-trials-soon

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There is no reason to continue with the charade on marijuana having no benefits. At what point does the government come to terms with the treatment of marijuana as a patsy for previously failed policy; a victim of a solution looking for a problem?

jimnyc
09-21-2012, 07:40 AM
There is no reason to continue with the charade on marijuana having no benefits. At what point does the government come to terms with the treatment of marijuana as a patsy for previously failed policy; a victim of a solution looking for a problem?


Hey Log! Hope you're doing great!

3 weeks ago I would secretly been one of the biggest marijuana proponents in the world. Imagine that, supporting it, but too embarrassed to admit my own use? Anyway, I do think it has uses for sick people. If I had a queasy stomach, it got rid of it. Just a little headache, it would get rid of it (not migraines, made them worse). And I guess that's why it helps cancer patients, as they get bad stomachs as a result of chemo and I'm confident MJ eases their pains. Hell, I think it eases a lot of pains.

Or in "my" case, would only mask them, a way of hiding from my problems. And don't let anyone be fooled by the talk of it not being addictive. If used long enough, you better believe it'll be tough to quit and sleep for awhile. It's a drug, of course it's going to do something, and have benefits, and cons at times.

For me it's no longer an answer. I can't handle myself. I guess it's like drinking being legal, and non-harmful for so many that have control, but to an alcoholic it can be the worst and most addictive drug in the world.

Ok, I said my peace, continue on. :)

logroller
09-21-2012, 08:13 AM
Hey Log! Hope you're doing great!

3 weeks ago I would secretly been one of the biggest marijuana proponents in the world. Imagine that, supporting it, but too embarrassed to admit my own use? Anyway, I do think it has uses for sick people. If I had a queasy stomach, it got rid of it. Just a little headache, it would get rid of it (not migraines, made them worse). And I guess that's why it helps cancer patients, as they get bad stomachs as a result of chemo and I'm confident MJ eases their pains. Hell, I think it eases a lot of pains.

Or in "my" case, would only mask them, a way of hiding from my problems. And don't let anyone be fooled by the talk of it not being addictive. If used long enough, you better believe it'll be tough to quit and sleep for awhile. It's a drug, of course it's going to do something, and have benefits, and cons at times.

For me it's no longer an answer. I can't handle myself. I guess it's like drinking being legal, and non-harmful for so many that have control, but to an alcoholic it can be the worst and most addictive drug in the world.

Ok, I said my peace, continue on. :)

You dead on accurate Jim, but let's not confuse public policy with personal policy. Marijuana is a schedule I narcotic; meaning there is no legitimate medical purpose, and that creates a legal barrier upon marijuana research, and there's mounting evidence neither is true nor even necessary. Nevermind the alcohol comparison, (though that, IMHO, is the root of the solution looking for a problem following the end of prohibition) Oxycodone is a Sch II narcotic-- so tell me what's worse, kicking marijuana or oxy? A couple restless nights is nothing compared to an opiate withdrawal. Take an Ambien-- problem solved for MJ-- not so with opiates. Now as for the chemo-psychological addictions...let's be honest, that's an individual issue that each person is challenged with, be it drugs, food or sex. That we have a great society social construct that is more accepting of certain addictions doesn't make our gluttony any more or less appealing, merely legitimate or illegitimate.
Im glad to see you back around; but you havent hurt anyone, theres nothing to be ashamed about. Though I sympathize with your self-flagellation. (I too was raised catholic) But don't beat yourself up too bad Jim-- you kicked tobacco, and statistics show that's no easy feat, excluding the dead, of course.

jimnyc
09-21-2012, 08:32 AM
You dead on accurate Jim, but let's not confuse public policy with personal policy. Marijuana is a schedule I narcotic; meaning there is no legitimate medical purpose, and that creates a legal barrier upon marijuana research, and there's mounting evidence neither is true nor even necessary. Nevermind the alcohol comparison, (though that, IMHO, is the root of the solution looking for a problem following the end of prohibition) Oxycodone is a Sch II narcotic-- so tell me what's worse, kicking marijuana or oxy? A couple restless nights is nothing compared to an opiate withdrawal. Take an Ambien-- problem solved for MJ-- not so with opiates. Now as for the chemo-psychological addictions...let's be honest, that's an individual issue that each person is challenged with, be it drugs, food or sex. That we have a great society social construct that is more accepting of certain addictions doesn't make our gluttony any more or less appealing, merely legitimate or illegitimate.
Im glad to see you back around; but you havent hurt anyone, theres nothing to be ashamed about. Though I sympathize with your self-flagellation. (I too was raised catholic) But don't beat yourself up too bad Jim-- you kicked tobacco, and statistics show that's no easy feat, excluding the dead, of course.

Worse, Log, I stopped the Oxycodone 10mg on the 12th, as well as smoking MJ and that was the day of my last cup of coffee. Something in me said it wanted all of these things finally expelled from my body. I don't know what the future holds for me regarding caffeine, I'd like to stick to tea if I could to avoid the oils in the coffee, but we'll see.

But what's worse? Hell, kicking the Oxy has been the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. The cigarettes were very rough too. The MJ I did several times, it IS addictive and no pleasure cruise to quit, but was easier than Oxy or nicotine, that's for damn sure.

I'm an addict, for better or worse. I'm a creature of habit and routine. With that in mind, I need to avoid things that will hook me in, and surround myself with things, that if I get depended on, would be good to be depended on. And that's where I'm at.

And with all that said, and all I've been through, if I saw a cancer patient suffering, or ANYONE suffering of such a disease, I wouldn't judge them if they chose MJ to help them cope. I no longer want to see anyone suffer. We all have our vices, but some of us can't handle them without screwing up, while others can do so and live perfect lives. I just need to come to terms with who I am, and that it's just not for me, but might be the answer for others, whether for a disease or for fun.

gabosaurus
09-21-2012, 11:42 AM
Marijuana has been scientifically proven to alleviate some cancer symptoms. Which makes it beneficial to some people.
As opposed to tobacco and nicotine, which are beneficial to no one that I know of.
So which one is legal and has a very strong and well funded lobby in DC that campaigns to retain the illegality of the other?

Abbey Marie
09-21-2012, 12:58 PM
Marijuana has been scientifically proven to alleviate some cancer symptoms. Which makes it beneficial to some people.
As opposed to tobacco and nicotine, which are beneficial to no one that I know of.
So which one is legal and has a very strong and well funded lobby in DC that campaigns to retain the illegality of the other?

Apparently neither is as dangerous as a large soda in NYC.

aboutime
09-21-2012, 01:21 PM
gabby. Your title is nothing more than BS.

If it was true, in any way. The levels of Cancer in America...according to you "Cannabis stops cancer", would be zero.

Like Obama blaming Bush for everything. Using reverse psychology in saying WEED stops cancer is just DUMB and a LIE.

WiccanLiberal
10-09-2012, 04:31 PM
Gotta say I am vastly in favor of scientific research on the matter to prove or disprove it. Those who immediately denigrate the idea of curative properties for a plant should be careful. Many currently accepted therapies were originally derived from natural substances. Likewise those who tout any new potential use for such need to slow down and allow good double-blind studies to statistically prove a good correlation. BTW, I know of at least one woman who has beaten three differrent types of cancer (documented) and used her own herbal treatments to do it. She refuses to allow doctors to touch her again. Bottom line, for me anyway, is that we shouldn't dismiss anything that might be useful but we should be able to prove how useful.

Mr. P
10-09-2012, 05:00 PM
gabby. Your title is nothing more than BS.

If it was true, in any way. The levels of Cancer in America...according to you "Cannabis stops cancer", would be zero.

Like Obama blaming Bush for everything. Using reverse psychology in saying WEED stops cancer is just DUMB and a LIE.

Man, you really need to read posts a few times before you pull the trigger. Just sayin

Nukeman
10-09-2012, 05:31 PM
gabby. Your title is nothing more than BS.

If it was true, in any way. The levels of Cancer in America...according to you "Cannabis stops cancer", would be zero.

Like Obama blaming Bush for everything. Using reverse psychology in saying WEED stops cancer is just DUMB and a LIE.Once again YOU go for the throat of women. EVERY TIME you have been proven wrong or found to be STUPID you back out of threads. We all KNOW your stance on marijuana, yet your fine with speed and amphetamines!!!!

Also she made NONE of the assertions you said she did, next time moron quote the post that way you have it to refer to as you go on a rant that has NOTHING todo with the post.. F***ing moron!!!!!!!!!!!:poke:


Man, you really need to read posts a few times before you pull the trigger. Just sayinP, he's a dick that just doesn't understand that MOST of the time HE IS WRONG

He gets a nut off by yelling at women online, its his ONLY sexual release!!:laugh:

Kathianne
10-09-2012, 05:44 PM
Worse, Log, I stopped the Oxycodone 10mg on the 12th, as well as smoking MJ and that was the day of my last cup of coffee. Something in me said it wanted all of these things finally expelled from my body. I don't know what the future holds for me regarding caffeine, I'd like to stick to tea if I could to avoid the oils in the coffee, but we'll see.

But what's worse? Hell, kicking the Oxy has been the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. The cigarettes were very rough too. The MJ I did several times, it IS addictive and no pleasure cruise to quit, but was easier than Oxy or nicotine, that's for damn sure.

I'm an addict, for better or worse. I'm a creature of habit and routine. With that in mind, I need to avoid things that will hook me in, and surround myself with things, that if I get depended on, would be good to be depended on. And that's where I'm at.

And with all that said, and all I've been through, if I saw a cancer patient suffering, or ANYONE suffering of such a disease, I wouldn't judge them if they chose MJ to help them cope. I no longer want to see anyone suffer. We all have our vices, but some of us can't handle them without screwing up, while others can do so and live perfect lives. I just need to come to terms with who I am, and that it's just not for me, but might be the answer for others, whether for a disease or for fun.

Tea beats coffee, but green tea not by much:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeine/AN01211


Tea

<tbody>
Type of tea
Size*
Caffeine**


Brewed tea




Black tea
8 oz. (240 mL)
14-61 mg


Black tea, decaffeinated
8 oz. (240 mL)
0-12 mg


Green tea
8 oz. (240 mL)
24-40 mg


Iced tea




AriZona Iced Tea, lemon-flavored
8 oz. (240 mL)
11 mg


Generic instant, unsweetened
8 oz. (240 mL)
26 mg


Lipton Brisk Lemon Iced Tea
8 oz. (240 mL)
5-7 mg

</tbody>



Coffee

<tbody>
Type of coffee
Size*
Caffeine**


Espresso, restaurant-style
1 oz. (30 mL)
40-75 mg


Espresso, restaurant-style, decaffeinated
1 oz. (30 mL)
0-15 mg


Generic brewed

8 oz. (240 mL)

95-200 mg



Generic brewed, decaffeinated
8 oz. (240 mL)
2-12 mg


Generic instant
8 oz. (240 mL)
27-173 mg


Generic instant, decaffeinated
8 oz. (240 mL)
2-12 mg


McDonald's brewed
16 oz. (480 mL)
100 mg


McDonald's Mocha Frappe
16 oz. (480 mL)
125 mg


Starbucks Latte
16 oz. (480 mL)
150 mg


Starbucks Pike Place brewed
16 oz. (480 mL)
330 mg


Starbucks Pike Place brewed, decaffeinated
16 oz. (480 mL)
25 mg

</tbody>





I bolded what I drink. LOL! Like 15 cups a day! Shoot.

logroller
10-09-2012, 05:53 PM
gabby. Your title is nothing more than BS.

If it was true, in any way. The levels of Cancer in America...according to you "Cannabis stops cancer", would be zero.

Like Obama blaming Bush for everything. Using reverse psychology in saying WEED stops cancer is just DUMB and a LIE.

Dang man, you didn't even get past the title before responding. Not only did you obviously not read the OP, but you didn't even see who started the thread-- it was me, not gabby.

aboutime
10-09-2012, 06:07 PM
Dang man, you didn't even get past the title before responding. Not only did you obviously not read the OP, but you didn't even see who started the thread-- it was me, not gabby.


Dang yourself logroller. I don't care who started the thread. Being a CANCER survivor now for SIX years. Anyone who claims that MARIJUANA stops cancer is full of CRAP.

Making such a statement, no matter who said it, nor the educational background they claim to have. IS DISHONEST, and merely another excuse, reason, or claim that those who WANT MJ made legal...always use, and point to when anyone tries to ruin their excuses.

Can anyone here provide FACTUAL PROOF to back up the claim in the title of this thread?

If you can. Let's hear, or see it now.

Nukeman
10-09-2012, 06:16 PM
Dang yourself logroller. I don't care who started the thread. Being a CANCER survivor now for SIX years. Anyone who claims that MARIJUANA stops cancer is full of CRAP.

Making such a statement, no matter who said it, nor the educational background they claim to have. IS DISHONEST, and merely another excuse, reason, or claim that those who WANT MJ made legal...always use, and point to when anyone tries to ruin their excuses.

Can anyone here provide FACTUAL PROOF to back up the claim in the title of this thread?

If you can. Let's hear, or see it now.
did YOU READ the opening post, it had RESEARCH advocating that some COMPOUNDS found in marijuana kill the cancer cells,


Ohh wait you skipped that in order to attack a message you don't agree with!! That's right you just jump the gun and turn into a raving idiot!!!!!

Why are you so against marijuana?? WHY??????? Yet you have advocated for the use of amphetamines!!!! How peculiar!!!

aboutime
10-09-2012, 06:23 PM
did YOU READ the opening post, it had RESEARCH advocating that some COMPOUNDS found in marijuana kill the cancer cells,


Ohh wait you skipped that in order to attack a message you don't agree with!! That's right you just jump the gun and turn into a raving idiot!!!!!

Why are you so against marijuana?? WHY??????? Yet you have advocated for the use of amphetamines!!!! How peculiar!!!


People all over the world do RESEARCH every day about all sorts of things. As a cancer survivor. Not once did any of the physicians, or specialists who deal with the treatment, medications, or radiation I went through...ever tell me MJ would have helped, or stopped cancer.

As for your SMART ASS question about WHY you think I am against MJ. Then you throw yourself on your faulty sword about amphetamines.
That kind of Childish, Immature response merely serves to prove how YOU are just using another of those EXCUSES I spoke of earlier.
By the way little fella. Tell me where, and when I advocated the use of Amphetamines here. Then we'll all know why you chose to lie.

Nukeman
10-09-2012, 06:37 PM
People all over the world do RESEARCH every day about all sorts of things. As a cancer survivor. Not once did any of the physicians, or specialists who deal with the treatment, medications, or radiation I went through...ever tell me MJ would have helped, or stopped cancer.

As for your SMART ASS question about WHY you think I am against MJ. Then you throw yourself on your faulty sword about amphetamines.
That kind of Childish, Immature response merely serves to prove how YOU are just using another of those EXCUSES I spoke of earlier.
By the way little fella. Tell me where, and when I advocated the use of Amphetamines here. Then we'll all know why you chose to lie.
In another thread we discussed the possibility of legalizing marijuana and the potential use in the military, YOU were a complete ass to any and all who said anything remotely advocating for that yet when I pressed you on the military use of "go pills" you backed off and had NO problem with those so by default YOU were willing to take a blind eye to amphetamines but are so gung freaking ho over marijuana which has been proven time and time again to help with a number of the symptoms associated with chemo and radiation treatments. Yes there are studies to that affect try google its your friend!!!

I find it funny that you and people like you are all for "man made" pills that mimic the effects of marijuana with a slew of side effects yet you deny that possibility of using marijuana a God given plant that meets a lot of needs for man.

Tell me "Abouttime" do you even know when marijuana was made illegal and the reasons behind it???

aboutime
10-09-2012, 07:09 PM
[QUOTE=Nukeman;583695]In another thread we discussed the possibility of legalizing marijuana and the potential use in the military, YOU were a complete ass to any and all who said anything remotely advocating for that yet when I pressed you on the military use of "go pills" you backed off and had NO problem with those so by default YOU were willing to take a blind eye to amphetamines but are so gung freaking ho over marijuana which has been proven time and time again to help with a number of the symptoms associated with chemo and radiation treatments. Yes there are studies to that affect try google its your friend!!!

I find it funny that you and people like you are all for "man made" pills that mimic the effects of marijuana with a slew of side effects yet you deny that possibility of using marijuana a God given plant that meets a lot of needs for man.

Tell me "Abouttime" do you even know when marijuana was made illegal and the reasons behind it???[/QUOTE

Did I really? Please use the quote feature to demonstrate when, and where I said anything related to, or concerning what you call "go pills".
Then...we'll all know what the hell you are talking about.

You can keep trying to MAKE UP things you claim I have said as much as you want. But until I see proof...in the form of HONEST quotes, referring to what you CLAIM I said.
You are nothing but another Obama Wannabe, kind of Liar.

logroller
10-09-2012, 08:22 PM
Dang yourself logroller. I don't care who started the thread. Being a CANCER survivor now for SIX years. Anyone who claims that MARIJUANA stops cancer is full of CRAP.

Making such a statement, no matter who said it, nor the educational background they claim to have. IS DISHONEST, and merely another excuse, reason, or claim that those who WANT MJ made legal...always use, and point to when anyone tries to ruin their excuses.

Can anyone here provide FACTUAL PROOF to back up the claim in the title of this thread?

If you can. Let's hear, or see it now.
Happy to hear your a cancer survivor. Stories such as your's are proof to hard work of patients, doctors and researchers.
As to the bold, I did already, in the original post. Im not surprised that you hadn't heard about this 6 years ago, the original research on metastatic breast cancer wasnt released until 2007.(5 years ago) if i understand the situatin correctly, the latest research (from the OP) confirms the previous research from 2007. Here's more from the American association for cancer research journal on molecular cancer therapeutics; not the most recent, but it think it provides the proof you requested.


Abstract


Invasion and metastasis of aggressive breast cancer cells is the final and fatal step during cancer progression, and is the least understood genetically. Clinically, there are still limited therapeutic interventions for aggressive and metastatic breast cancers available. Clearly, effective and nontoxic therapies are urgently required. Id-1, an inhibitor of basic helix-loop-helix transcription factors, has recently been shown to be a key regulator of the metastatic potential of breast and additional cancers. Using a mouse model, we previously determined that metastatic breast cancer cells became significantly less invasive in vitro and less metastatic in vivo when Id-1 was down-regulated by stable transduction with antisense Id-1. It is not possible at this point, however, to use antisense technology to reduce Id-1 expression in patients with metastatic breast cancer. Here, we report that cannabidiol (CBD), a cannabinoid with a low-toxicity profile, could down-regulate Id-1 expression in aggressive human breast cancer cells. The CBD concentrations effective at inhibiting Id-1 expression correlated with those used to inhibit the proliferative and invasive phenotype of breast cancer cells. CBD was able to inhibit Id-1 expression at the mRNA and protein level in a concentration-dependent fashion. These effects seemed to occur as the result of an inhibition of the Id-1 gene at the promoter level. Importantly, CBD did not inhibit invasiveness in cells that ectopically expressed Id-1. In conclusion, CBD represents the first nontoxic exogenous agent that can significantly decrease Id-1 expression in metastatic breast cancer cells leading to the down-regulation of tumor aggressiveness. [Mol Cancer Ther 2007;6(11):2921–7]


http://m.mct.aacrjournals.org/content/6/11/2921.long

aboutime
10-10-2012, 01:20 AM
Happy to hear your a cancer survivor. Stories such as your's are proof to hard work of patients, doctors and researchers.
As to the bold, I did already, in the original post. Im not surprised that you hadn't heard about this 6 years ago, the original research on metastatic breast cancer wasnt released until 2007.(5 years ago) if i understand the situatin correctly, the latest research (from the OP) confirms the previous research from 2007. Here's more from the American association for cancer research journal on molecular cancer therapeutics; not the most recent, but it think it provides the proof you requested. http://m.mct.aacrjournals.org/content/6/11/2921.long


Thanks logroller. I've read quite a bit about it myself. Guess I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to talking about it, and the use of MJ. Too bad so many have taken the real medicinal usage...as in California...somewhat for granted as being used for entertainment, rather than health.
I also am not being selfish when speaking about cancer because of our family Histories, on mine, and my wife's side.
I lost my Dad to Asbestos caused cancer, my mother, and my older sister, while my wife's mother had Liver, and Breast cancers, her sister had breast cancers, and mastectomies as well. Then me, and my wife managed to get it removed before much more serious damage occured...but then. Any time the word Cancer becomes a reality. It cannot be taken for granted.
And some wonder, or ask Why I feel as I do????

logroller
10-10-2012, 03:36 AM
Thanks logroller. I've read quite a bit about it myself. Guess I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to talking about it, and the use of MJ. Too bad so many have taken the real medicinal usage...as in California...somewhat for granted as being used for entertainment, rather than health.
I also am not being selfish when speaking about cancer because of our family Histories, on mine, and my wife's side.
I lost my Dad to Asbestos caused cancer, my mother, and my older sister, while my wife's mother had Liver, and Breast cancers, her sister had breast cancers, and mastectomies as well. Then me, and my wife managed to get it removed before much more serious damage occured...but then. Any time the word Cancer becomes a reality. It cannot be taken for granted.
And some wonder, or ask Why I feel as I do????
theres literally millions of stories like your's, and I'm thankful that you not only feel comfortable sharing that story, but that you're here to tell it.
Allow me to clarify that this research does not indicate the smoking or eating of marijuana is stopping or slowing cancer. The dosages used are far more concentrated than anything naturally occurring.
What I hoped to convey through this information is that there is promise to this field of research and it is inhibited by federal laws regarding marihuana's sch I drug classification. There was federal research going on in the late 60's and early 70's which showed promise, but in the early eighties that research funding was not only cancelled, but the research was sealed and destroyed, educational institutions were forbidden from conducting research on marijuana's therapeutic effects and drug companies alone were allowed to conduct any future research. Even now, these researchers here are coerced into synthesizing cannibinol rather than deriving it from natural sources. All because of marijuana is listed in a category slated to have no medical value...while the research shows otherwise. It is entirely possible, and dare i say, likely that research has suffered at the hands of political, bureaucratic and pharmaceutical interests. From time to time, and think it is one if those times, its necessary to reevaluate long held beliefs when contradictory evidence appears. That doesn't mean turn back time and legalize it outright, that would be foolish, but a modest relaxing of laws isn't always a bad thing. (Sch I => Sch II) We might be pleased at what researchers will discover, or perhaps it'd be for naught. In either case, its a win-win. We all get access to new and improved treatments, or legalize it advocates long- claimed conspiracies are shown false. Given cannibinol's low toxicity, there's little harm in trying.

Trinity
10-10-2012, 04:45 PM
But here's what is ironic.......... the feds will not allow any type of research to be done or more testing on medical marijuana to determine if it does in fact have medicinal benefits.... because of it's classification....but the feds are distributing it to a small group of people for medicinal purposes..... :rolleyes:

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000257