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007
10-05-2012, 08:36 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/02/26/douglas-kennedy-hospital-fight_n_1302189.html

unionised nurses, unionized cops, liberal prosecutors, liberal press.

under which statute of federal or state law did he endanger his child?

same question relating to harrassment?

the nurses attempted to kidnap the infant, then pushed father and son down stairs!!

wouldnt have happened had he not worked for fox!!
such is the intolerance if fanatical liberal totalitarians!!

tailfins
10-05-2012, 08:50 PM
While this happened back in January, it is set for trial October 22.


The case is scheduled to go to trial in Mount Kisco Town Court on Oct. 22.

http://www.lohud.com/article/20121004/NEWS02/310040042/Douglas-Kennedy-case-Northern-Westchester-Hospital-nurses-offered-drop-case-televised-apology

Your post was food for thought to further search on hospitals interfering with parents rights, Here another example:
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/mother-who-questions-vax-at-hospital-has-newborn-taken-away/

007
10-05-2012, 09:09 PM
Moral of the story is?
Arm yourself against these people who proclaim themselves your superior because they are unionized!

when the fanatical liberal totalitarians take all the guns it will get worse!

Trigg
10-05-2012, 09:50 PM
In hospitals infants are fitted with ankle bracelets that go off if someone tries to take them out of the maternity ward. This is to prevent abduction.

There is no video showing what prompted the nurse involvement, so I would question whether he had his arm bracelet on.

Being from a prominant family the hospital may have been on alert for possible abduction. If he didn't have a bracelet and tried to force his way out then the nurses would have had no choice but to pursue him and try to stop him from leaving. They may not have recognized him as the father.

Nukeman
10-05-2012, 10:05 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/02/26/douglas-kennedy-hospital-fight_n_1302189.html

unionised nurses, unionized cops, liberal prosecutors, liberal press.

under which statute of federal or state law did he endanger his child?

same question relating to harrassment?

the nurses attempted to kidnap the infant, then pushed father and son down stairs!!

wouldnt have happened had he not worked for fox!!
such is the intolerance if fanatical liberal totalitarians!!
Where did you get that the nurses were "unionized"?? Did you research the whole story. this idiot tried to remove his NEW BORN son out of the hospital!! HE assaulted 2 nurses attempting to take his child o ut for "fresh air". So you're OK with him kicking and pushing nurses to the floor becasue in YOUR mind they are union thugs.. Are you freaking kidding me!?!?!?!?!?

Wow, just WOW!!!!! Stretch much?????

007
10-05-2012, 10:05 PM
In hospitals infants are fitted with ankle bracelets that go off if someone tries to take them out of the maternity ward. This is to prevent abduction.

There is no video showing what prompted the nurse involvement, so I would question whether he had his arm bracelet on.

Being from a prominant family the hospital may have been on alert for possible abduction. If he didn't have a bracelet and tried to force his way out then the nurses would have had no choice but to pursue him and try to stop him from leaving. They may not have recognized him as the father.
His nurse gave permission, a dr was accompanying him, no electronic braclets were used in this hospital , the first act by these unionized fanatical liberal totalitarians was to jump aggressively into the elevator and turn it off.

what act of harrasment did Kennedy commit?
What act of child endangerment did he commit?

under fed, state and local laws of course!!

this is a union/fanatical liberal totalitarian attack and attempted murder on an infant because the father is a Fox News reporter.
police unions closed ranks with hospital unions.
a deliberate fanatical liberal totalitarian act!!


Where did you get that the nurses were "unionized"?? Did you research the whole story. this idiot tried to remove his NEW BORN son out of the hospital!! HE assaulted 2 nurses attempting to take his child o ut for "fresh air". So you're OK with him kicking and pushing nurses to the floor becasue in YOUR mind they are union thugs.. Are you freaking kidding me!?!?!?!?!?

Wow, just WOW!!!!! Stretch much?????

He checked with his primary nurse, she said it was fine.
a DR was accompanying him( stated the nurses were the only aggressors).
later in the case the nurses legal representatives In their lawsuit were retained by their union.

Nurses or any hospital employee have no legal right to deny the parental right to decide what is best for a child.
parental right is protected by law.

If crazed and violent aggressors attempted to kidnap my child, I would excersise my right to self defense.
if they advanced and escalated from that and moved to murder my infant and I ( by pushing us down a stairwell I would do more than twist arms and kick em in the 'pelvis'!
i would neutralize their murderous intent with deadly force.
I would have opened fire.

Nurses have no legal right to push fathers and infants down a stairway.
a father has a legal right to remove his child from hospital.
the only crime here was comitted by the nurses!!
simple rule!!
The customer is always right!!

Given Barbie Boxer and the fanatical liberal totalitarian unions concept of life I cannot blame Kennedy for defending his innocent infant from their murderous intent!
fsnsticsl liberal totalitarians believe a child has no right to life until it gets home from hospital.
these boxerite liberal fanatics intended to kill the infant.
that much is clear.

aboutime
10-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Where did you get that the nurses were "unionized"?? Did you research the whole story. this idiot tried to remove his NEW BORN son out of the hospital!! HE assaulted 2 nurses attempting to take his child o ut for "fresh air". So you're OK with him kicking and pushing nurses to the floor becasue in YOUR mind they are union thugs.. Are you freaking kidding me!?!?!?!?!?

Wow, just WOW!!!!! Stretch much?????

Of course, you Nukeman, are going to tell us YOU WERE THERE and witnessed what took place?

Who do you think you are FREAKING Kidding?

007
10-15-2012, 08:19 AM
I think the defense should consider Barbera Boxers ( head if the abortion movement) insisting that a life is not a life until it is at home with its parents as a defense.
Defending a child from the forces of abortion, who believe that they may kill an infant at any time until it gets home from the hospital, in accordance with their leaders spoken word!

They tried to murder Bo, his Father saved his life.

In Kennedy's shoes I would have opened fire!

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 08:24 AM
Of course, you Nukeman, are going to tell us YOU WERE THERE and witnessed what took place?

Who do you think you are FREAKING Kidding?Well at lest you're not bashing women on this one!!!!!! I ahve to ask,what the fuck are you talking about.... Where the hell did you get that from my post!!!!!!!

DID YOU read the stories involved?? probably not cause your a fucking idiot douchbag moron who only REACTS instead of getting facts!!!!!!! TOOL!!!!!!

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 08:25 AM
I think the defense should consider Barbera Boxers ( head if the abortion movement) insisting that a life is not a life until it is at home with its parents as a defense.
Defending a child from the forces of abortion, who believe that they may kill an infant at any time until it gets home from the hospital, in accordance with their leaders spoken word!

They tried to murder Bo, his Father saved his life.

In Kennedy's shoes I would have opened fire!Got any proof of that???????? Or is that pure speculation????

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 08:31 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/02/26/douglas-kennedy-hospital-fight_n_1302189.html

unionised nurses, unionized cops, liberal prosecutors, liberal press.

under which statute of federal or state law did he endanger his child?

same question relating to harrassment?

the nurses attempted to kidnap the infant, then pushed father and son down stairs!!

wouldnt have happened had he not worked for fox!!
such is the intolerance if fanatical liberal totalitarians!!


He checked with his primary nurse, she said it was fine.
a DR was accompanying him( stated the nurses were the only aggressors).
later in the case the nurses legal representatives In their lawsuit were retained by their union.

Nurses or any hospital employee have no legal right to deny the parental right to decide what is best for a child.
parental right is protected by law.

If crazed and violent aggressors attempted to kidnap my child, I would excersise my right to self defense.
if they advanced and escalated from that and moved to murder my infant and I ( by pushing us down a stairwell I would do more than twist arms and kick em in the 'pelvis'!
i would neutralize their murderous intent with deadly force.
I would have opened fire.


Nurses have no legal right to push fathers and infants down a stairway.
a father has a legal right to remove his child from hospital.
the only crime here was comitted by the nurses!!
simple rule!!
The customer is always right!!Where the hell did you get that information from?

I read the stories and NO WHERE does it state that any where. So Abouttime why don't you let us know how he knows this, was he there, or do you just pick and choose what YOU want to nit pick on???

007
10-15-2012, 08:45 AM
Got any proof of that???????? Or is that pure speculation????

Its all in the story, the nurses attacked father and son. One usually assumes that when attacked, ones attacker has murderous intent.

As for Boxer, her opinions are well documented
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=ZoTjb9rzyEo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZoTjb9rzyEo

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 08:50 AM
Its all in the story, the nurses attacked father and son. One usually assumes that when attacked, ones attacker has murderous intent.

As for Boxer, her opinions are well documentedRemeber NEVER assume.. Care to point out in the "story" where it stated that?!?!?! I read and reread the story and cant seem to find that little tid bit in there. I would also pont out that MOST attacker do not have MURDEROUS intent, if that was the case we would be flush with murders and a lot fewer people to deal with in the world...

So once again.. SHOW ME WHERE IT STATED HE WAS PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS... Put up or shut up!!!!!!!!!!!

What the F does "Boxers" opinions have to do with this story??????

007
10-15-2012, 08:53 AM
Where the hell did you get that information from?

I read the stories and NO WHERE does it state that any where. So Abouttime why don't you let us know how he knows this, was he there, or do you just pick and choose what YOU want to nit pick on???
Read the story.
A dr from that very hospital was escorting Kennedy, his primary nurse gave verbal permission for him to take the child out( legally no permission is needed) two nurses attacked Kennedy and Bo with murderous intent, they tried to snatch the infant and later pushed father and son down a flight of stairs.
they should be charged with attempted kidnapping and attempted murder, even if the fanatical liberal totalitarians don't believe a newborn is a living being with rights and protections under law.

Here!
He got up and ran down stairs, immediately after the psycho nurse attacked him on a stairwell.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2851097/posts

He was pushed to the floor, on a stairwell, an attempt to push him and his child down the stairs!
its there, read it!!
kennedy was defending his infant, even the Dr attending said the nurses were the only aggressors in the events!!
crazed fanatical liberal totalitarians!
All because he worked for fox!!

[QUOTE=007;585084]Here!
He got up and ran down stairs, immediately after the psycho nurse attacked him on a stairwell.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2851097/posts

He was pushed to the floor, on a stairwell, an attempt to push him and his child down the stairs!
its there, read it!!
kennedy was defending his infant, even the Dr attending said the nurses were the only aggressors in the events!!
crazed fanatical liberal totalitarians!
All because he worked for fox!!
boxers opinion that babies can be killed legally under roe vs wade at anytime untill they arrive home after discharge.
the intent of these nurses was to kill Bo Kennedy, who in liberal terms was not a life, he was a zygote or an embryo!

fj1200
10-15-2012, 09:27 AM
the intent of these nurses was to kill Bo Kennedy, who in liberal terms was not a life, he was a zygote or an embryo!

:laugh:

007
10-15-2012, 09:49 AM
:laugh:
Which brings us back to barbera boxer and when life gains the protection of the constitution.
Not until the infant arrives home from the hospital.
Her exact words.
The liberal belief!
The liberal forces of abortion believe they may legally take and kill infants in hospital or on route home from hospital with the protection of the law.
The nurses in the Kennedy incident intended to kill Bo Kennedy, I have no doubt in my mind that this was their intent.

I know that when our second child is born in may, I will be ready to defend his or her life!
As I am now with my 9 month old, my 24 year old and my 22 year old!
I am prepared to defend my family from all threats, any attacker will be seen as a murderous threat and will be neutralused!

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 10:23 AM
Which brings us back to barbera boxer and when life gains the protection of the constitution.
Not until the infant arrives home from the hospital.
Her exact words.
The liberal belief!
The liberal forces of abortion believe they may legally take and kill infants in hospital or on route home from hospital with the protection of the law.
The nurses in the Kennedy incident intended to kill Bo Kennedy, I have no doubt in my mind that this was their intent.

I know that when our second child is born in may, I will be ready to defend his or her life!
As I am now with my 9 month old, my 24 year old and my 22 year old!
I am prepared to defend my family from all threats, any attacker will be seen as a murderous threat and will be neutralused!

Now that there folks is the reclusive "INTERNET TOUGH GUY". See how he postures for no reason at all when caught in the cross hairs:lol::rolleyes:..

So you were there?? saw everything?? to quote Abouttime!!!

By the way you left out this little tidbit right here. The REASON he fell was the dumbass was kicking a woman!!!!!!!



While holding the child in his right arm, Kennedy kicked Luciano in the pelvis with his right foot, knocking her backward onto the floor, police said. As he did this, Kennedy fell onto the floor with the baby in his arms. Kennedy then got up and ran "down the stairs with the infant until he was stopped by security and escorted back to the infant's room," the police report said.





I find it funny that when MALE security is called he calms down but he is all for abusing/ attacking women!!! Sounds like he would get along swell with Abouttime!?!?!?!

007
10-15-2012, 10:33 AM
Now that there folks is the reclusive "INTERNET TOUGH GUY". See how he postures for no reason at all when caught in the cross hairs:lol::rolleyes:..

So you were there?? saw everything?? to quote Abouttime!!!

By the way you left out this little tidbit right here. The REASON he fell was the dumbass was kicking a woman!!!!!!!




I find it funny that when MALE security is called he calms down but he is all for abusing/ attacking women!!! Sounds like he would get along swell with Abouttime!?!?!?!
He was calm, the nurses were violently trying to kidnap his infant with murderous intent.
he did not attack the women, he fought off their attack.
who said the security were male?
show me where that bit was written?
when you have armed people pointing guns at you threatening to kill you and your child you tend to hand over the child in the hope they might allow it to live.
it is for this reason I practice my legal right to carry a firearm at all times.
not being a tough guy, just keeping it safe!
you got nothing but insults, I've got freedom!!

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 10:45 AM
He was calm, the nurses were violently trying to kidnap his infant with murderous intent.
he did not attack the women, he fought off their attack.
who said the security were male?
show me where that bit was written?
when you have armed people pointing guns at you threatening to kill you and your child you tend to hand over the child in the hope they might allow it to live.
it is for this reason I practice my legal right to carry a firearm at all times.
not being a tough guy, just keeping it safe!
you got nothing but insults, I've got freedom!!
WOW... just WOW.. "kidnap", "muder". where the hell do you get that from these articles???? Seriously dude where??? the primary job of the nursing staff is to protect that baby and be sure its safe.

now if i had to infer what was said, he asked to get his child some air and the nurse said sure, meaning walk around the maternity floor NOT OUTSIDE. there are safety protocols in place to be sure a newborn is kept safe prior to release from hospital not to mention devices that set off alarms that inform the staff that a infant has left the dept without permission. IF he was concerned for the SAFETY of his baby as YOU claim he would not have been fighting with anyone over a "little fresh air". He would have returned quitely and and come to a REASONABLE accomodation with the staff and would have kept EVERYONE safe and EVERYOEN woulld be aware of what was going on instead of some hot head runing out of the building trying to kidnap a baby! Now if they said they were taking him to cut off his arm you would have a valid point but right now you have NOTHING!!!!!!!!

As for the "male" security I will use one of your quotes.. "it is infered" due to the fact that MOST security is male....

This whole murder, kidnap crap is JUST that CRAP!!!!!! YOU have NOT proven once where that intent was ther!! PERIOD!!!!!!

You sound like a liberal... Tell a lie enough and everyone should beleive it, is that waht your attempting to do take a plan from the liberal playbook??? REALLY!?!?!?!?

fj1200
10-15-2012, 10:46 AM
The liberal forces of abortion believe they may legally take and kill infants in hospital or on route home from hospital with the protection of the law.
The nurses in the Kennedy incident intended to kill Bo Kennedy, I have no doubt in my mind that this was their intent.

:laugh: Per direction of the union bosses I'm sure. As soon as you get to the hospital it might help you to start profiling the nurses to see which ones have spent years in the medical profession training to save lives in order to bring about their treacherous, and apparently legal, views on infanticide; you can't be too safe. :slap:

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 10:47 AM
when you have armed people pointing guns at you threatening to kill you and your child you tend to hand over the child in the hope they might allow it to live.
it is for this reason I practice my legal right to carry a firearm at all times.
!!So even if a business states "No weapons" you would break the law by carrying anyway!! Say a lot about YOUR character!!!!!! "Rules be damned I do what I want" Yep that nice..

007
10-15-2012, 10:52 AM
WOW... just WOW.. "kidnap", "muder". where the hell do you get that from these articles???? Seriously dude where??? the primary job of the nursing staff is to protect that baby and be sure its safe.

now if i had to infer what was said, he asked to get his child some air and the nurse said sure, meaning walk around the maternity floor NOT OUTSIDE. there are safety protocols in place to be sure a newborn is kept safe prior to release from hospital not to mention devices that set off alarms that inform the staff that a infant has left the dept without permission. IF he was concerned for the SAFETY of his baby as YOU claim he would not have been fighting with anyone over a "little fresh air". He would have returned quitely and and come to a REASONABLE accomodation with the staff and would have kept EVERYONE safe and EVERYOEN woulld be aware of what was going on instead of some hot head runing out of the building trying to kidnap a baby! Now if they said they were taking him to cut off his arm you would have a valid point but right now you have NOTHING!!!!!!!!

As for the "male" security I will use one of your quotes.. "it is infered" due to the fact that MOST security is male....

This whole murder, kidnap crap is JUST that CRAP!!!!!! YOU have NOT proven once where that intent was ther!! PERIOD!!!!!!

You sound like a liberal... Tell a lie enough and everyone should beleive it, is that waht your attempting to do take a plan from the liberal playbook??? REALLY!?!?!?!?
Did the nursing staff try to deny parental right?
under what federal, state or city law may a stranger undermine parental right?
The nurse prevented the father and child from leaving, unlawfully imprisoning them.
the nurse made a grab for the child, attempted kidnap, both nurses were flustered and aggressive, the dr attending said so.
when a stranger makes a lunge for a child the intent is ALWAYS assumed to be murderous.
would you stand by and do nothing while a couple of shrieking crazies tried to snatch your child?


So even if a business states "No weapons" you would break the law by carrying anyway!! Say a lot about YOUR character!!!!!! "Rules be damned I do what I want" Yep that nice..
A buisness has no right to infringe on my legal rights!
martin Luther king died to prevent such abuses!


:laugh: Per direction of the union bosses I'm sure. As soon as you get to the hospital it might help you to start profiling the nurses to see which ones have spent years in the medical profession training to save lives in order to bring about their treacherous, and apparently legal, views on infanticide; you can't be too safe. :slap:
I refer you to barbera boxers statements on right to life and where it begins.

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 11:00 AM
A buisness has no right to infringe on my legal rights!
martin Luther king died to prevent such abuses!A business has EVERY right to determine who they will serve, and when they place rules governing the use of THIER PRIVATE PROPERTY you have the God given right to NOT frequent said establishment... YOU on the other hand have NO right to go to the PRIVATE PROPERTY of ANY business (they let you). Get your fact straight there slim!!!!!!!!!

007
10-15-2012, 11:05 AM
A business has EVERY right to determine who they will serve, and when they place rules governing the use of THIER PRIVATE PROPERTY you have the God given right to NOT frequent said establishment... YOU on the other hand have NO right to go to the PRIVATE PROPERTY of ANY business (they let you). Get your fact straight there slim!!!!!!!!!
I have the right to enter any buisness, and yes they have the right to refuse service.
They may do this providing they do not infringe on my basic human and civil rights, those include the right to bear arms.
if a buisness put up a sign saying no coloureds you would be fine with that?

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 11:07 AM
Did the nursing staff try to deny parental right?
under what federal, state or city law may a stranger undermine parental right?
The nurse prevented the father and child from leaving, unlawfully imprisoning them.
the nurse made a grab for the child, attempted kidnap, both nurses were flustered and aggressive, the dr attending said so.
when a stranger makes a lunge for a child the intent is ALWAYS assumed to be murderous.
would you stand by and do nothing while a couple of shrieking crazies tried to snatch your child?
Tell ya what I will make this simple for ya.. IF you leave the hospital without going through th check out procedure where everyone has been instructed with follow up care and everyone has been checked over to be sure they are healthy to leave, that is called "leaving AMA" Leaving Against Medical Advice. You still need to fill out the proper paperwork stating what you are doing so when the bill comes do and YOUR insurance REFUSES because YOU were a dick. They know that YOU were instruced in the fact that you are aware of the circumstances and the ramafications..

Tell me smart guy, why didn't he just go back to the room and clear up any misunderstanding, why did he take to the next level of assaulting women, and endangering his baby?? He was the one that got into a physical altercation with 2 women who were trying to keep his baby safe. He on the other hand was willing to expose a 1 day old infant to the vile streets of New York. REALLY!!!!!!!!!!

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 11:11 AM
I have the right to enter any buisness, and yes they have the right to refuse service.
They may do this providing they do not infringe on my basic human and civil rights, those include the right to bear arms.
if a buisness put up a sign saying no coloureds you would be fine with that?NO you do not have the RIGHT to enter!! They allow you to enter. NO ONE takes away your right to bear arms but they can limit it on there property, if you don't like their stance don't go on their property.. If a business wants to place a sign that says "No Colored" taht is theire choice they wont stay in business long and there are civil right issues but ultimately they can choose who they wish to serve.....

YOU NEVER have the RIGHT to enter any establishment!! that is a PRIVILEDGE afforded you by the owner of the establishment.... Get your fact straight!!

007
10-15-2012, 11:16 AM
Tell ya what I will make this simple for ya.. IF you leave the hospital without going through th check out procedure where everyone has been instructed with follow up care and everyone has been checked over to be sure they are healthy to leave, that is called "leaving AMA" Leaving Against Medical Advice. You still need to fill out the proper paperwork stating what you are doing so when the bill comes do and YOUR insurance REFUSES because YOU were a dick. They know that YOU were instruced in the fact that you are aware of the circumstances and the ramafications..

Tell me smart guy, why didn't he just go back to the room and clear up any misunderstanding, why did he take to the next level of assaulting women, and endangering his baby?? He was the one that got into a physical altercation with 2 women who were trying to keep his baby safe. He on the other hand was willing to expose a 1 day old infant to the vile streets of New York. REALLY!!!!!!!!!!
take a geography lesson for starters, it was not the streets if New York.
it was a warm( unseasonably warm) day in January.
he attacked no one, the only eyewitness at the scene has stated that the nurses were the only aggressors!
they attempted to grab( kidnap) his baby, he defended his baby.

he broke no laws, the nurses are guilty ofseveral felonies.

which federal, state or city laws overturn the constitutionally protected parental right in this case?

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 11:22 AM
take a geography lesson for starters, it was not the streets if New York.
it was a warm( unseasonably warm) day in January.
he attacked no one, the only eyewitness at the scene has stated that the nurses were the only aggressors!
they attempted to grab( kidnap) his baby, he defended his baby.

he broke no laws, the nurses are guilty ofseveral felonies.

which federal, state or city laws overturn the constitutionally protected parental right in this case?Uhh ck your facts, when HE grabbed the first nurse by the wrist and twisted that was assault, when HE kicked the second nurse in the pelvis that was assault.. He wasn't protecting anyone he was being an ass with a "look who I am I can do whatever I want attitude". IF there was confusion as to what was transpiring he should have calmly returned to the babies room and discussed how to go about doing what he wanted to do instead of being a jackass that not only injured 2 nurses himself but also placed his baby in a dangerous situation. HE ran down the stairs carrying a newborn baby how fing stupid is that!!!?? HE endangered his infant sons life no one else just him.....

007
10-15-2012, 11:31 AM
Uhh ck your facts, when HE grabbed the first nurse by the wrist and twisted that was assault, when HE kicked the second nurse in the pelvis that was assault.. He wasn't protecting anyone he was being an ass with a "look who I am I can do whatever I want attitude". IF there was confusion as to what was transpiring he should have calmly returned to the babies room and discussed how to go about doing what he wanted to do instead of being a jackass that not only injured 2 nurses himself but also placed his baby in a dangerous situation. HE ran down the stairs carrying a newborn baby how fing stupid is that!!!?? HE endangered his infant sons life no one else just him.....
He was prevented from going about his lawfull buisness by a shrieking crazy, another shrieking crazy made to grab his infant child, it was self defense.
what federal, state or city law empowers complete strangers who are shrieking like crazed banshees, to prevent citizens from going about their lives in peace?
the only eyewitness to the attack on mr Kennedy has said the ONLY aggressors were the nurses!

Nukeman
10-15-2012, 11:40 AM
He was prevented from going about his lawfull buisness by a shrieking crazy, another shrieking crazy made to grab his infant child, it was self defense.
what federal, state or city law empowers complete strangers who are shrieking like crazed banshees, to prevent citizens from going about their lives in peace?
the only eyewitness to the attack on mr Kennedy has said the ONLY aggressors were the nurses!
So you were there?? witnessed the "shrieking" you saw all this unfold infront of your eyes. I can as easily state he looked inebriated (he is a Kennedy after all) and was attempting to abduct a child. He became beligerant and attacked nursing staff who were protecting his new born child... He was not going about his life in peace, he was in a public setting in a hospital who's primary mission is the safety of all not some morons feeling of doing what ever I want to do.

Once again, why didn't he calmly walk back to the room to discuss the walk like civilized man and work out any concerns the staff may have had instead of assaulting the nursing staff who were trying to protect a very fragile new born infant??? Why did he over react?? can you at least admit he way OVER REACTED????!!!!??:poke:

AS for the Dr's statement they were aggresive.. I beleive that was VERBAL not physical except to block a door way and to secure the babies head from bouncing around sense Mr. Kennedy didn't seem to be concerned about that or the fact that he choose to fight with a new born in his hands. HE did NOT have his childs best interest at heart and If you believe he did WHY DID HE NOT GO BACK TO THE ROOM AND DISCUSS IT RATIONALY???????

007
10-15-2012, 11:49 AM
So you were there?? witnessed the "shrieking" you saw all this unfold infront of your eyes. I can as easily state he looked inebriated (he is a Kennedy after all) and was attempting to abduct a child. He became beligerant and attacked nursing staff who were protecting his new born child... He was not going about his life in peace, he was in a public setting in a hospital who's primary mission is the safety of all not some morons feeling of doing what ever I want to do.

Once again, why didn't he calmly walk back to the room to discuss the walk like civilized man and work out any concerns the staff may have had instead of assaulting the nursing staff who were trying to protect a very fragile new born infant??? Why did he over react?? can you at least admit he way OVER REACTED????!!!!??:poke:

AS for the Dr's statement they were aggresive.. I beleive that was VERBAL not physical except to block a door way and to secure the babies head from bouncing around sense Mr. Kennedy didn't seem to be concerned about that or the fact that he choose to fight with a new born in his hands. HE did NOT have his childs best interest at heart and If you believe he did WHY DID HE NOT GO BACK TO THE ROOM AND DISCUSS IT RATIONALY???????
The only aggressors were the nurses!
he undetected imo

fj1200
10-15-2012, 12:34 PM
I refer you to barbera boxers statements on right to life and where it begins.

With absolutely zero to do with this issue.


... I've got freedom!!

You don't have freedom, you're stuck in a box of fear.

007
10-15-2012, 01:40 PM
With absolutely zero to do with this issue.



You don't have freedom, you're stuck in a box of fear.

Yes it has everything to do with it, it speaks to the intent of the nurses!

I am without fear.

fj1200
10-15-2012, 01:54 PM
Yes it has everything to do with it, it speaks to the intent of the nurses!

:laugh: No it doesn't, a speech by a Senator is evidence of motive by completely unrelated nurses. Highly unlikely that those nurses even saw the video.


I am without fear.

No you're not. You're afraid that a Boxer-inspired legion of infanticidal nurses are out to get your newborn in a spate of union-directed, post-birth abortions.

Gaffer
10-15-2012, 05:50 PM
It took me a while to remember who Douglas Kennedy was.

Then I remembered it's the guy who talks like this.

His method of delivering the news is really annoying.

I use to mute him every time he came on.

Maybe his talking got to the nurses and they couldn't take any more.

007
10-15-2012, 10:38 PM
It took me a while to remember who Douglas Kennedy was.

Then I remembered it's the guy who talks like this.

His method of delivering the news is really annoying.

I use to mute him every time he came on.

Maybe his talking got to the nurses and they couldn't take any more.
So they tried to kill his child, he defended his child and now the libs are gunning for him!
he did the right thing, it's a parents right to defend his children!

One of the attackers is suing Kennedy for millions because..............the attack she initiated has caused her to suffer from PTSD!!
I call it guilt, in her heart she knows full well that she is in the wrong!!

PTSD is not a real illness!!
It's a condition invented by politicians to further pile hate on the military and veterans!

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 07:16 AM
So they tried to kill his child, he defended his child and now the libs are gunning for him!
he did the right thing, it's a parents right to defend his children!
ONCE AGAIN, where is your proof of this statement. That is called a LIE in most places!!!!!!:poke:

007
10-16-2012, 09:04 AM
ONCE AGAIN, where is your proof of this statement. That is called a LIE in most places!!!!!!:poke:
I ALWAYS regard a violent attack on my person, my children or any person to be with the intent to kill.
snatching for and lashing out at a newborn is a deadly attack, such behaviour could easily kill an infant.
thankfully douglas Kennedy bravely fought off these crazed criminals.

Noir
10-16-2012, 09:13 AM
I ALWAYS regard a violent attack on my person, my children or any person to be with the intent to kill.
snatching for and lashing out at a newborn is a deadly attack, such behaviour could easily kill an infant.
thankfully douglas Kennedy bravely fought off these crazed criminals.

Okay, so you're either a troll, or genuinely insane. I'ma pop for the former.

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 09:18 AM
I ALWAYS regard a violent attack on my person, my children or any person to be with the intent to kill.
snatching for and lashing out at a newborn is a deadly attack, such behaviour could easily kill an infant.
thankfully douglas Kennedy bravely fought off these crazed criminals.Yet you find it acceptable to take a newborn out in the January weather for "fresh air", you find it acceptable to shake a newborn because YOU are aggitated (ever hear of shaken baby syndrom?) (that is what the nurse was reaching for to STABILIZE the babies head and neck but YOU are so blinded with YOUR hate you can't or refuse to see that). You also find it acceptabel to RUN down the stairs with a newborn in your arms, after kicking and assautling 2 nurses.

WOW.. Just wow you are a lunatic if you find "attempted" murder in everything/time someone comes towards you.. You are a sick pathetic little man to read so much into any action.... PATHETIC!!!!!!!:poke:

007
10-16-2012, 09:24 AM
Okay, so you're either a troll, or genuinely insane. I'ma pop for the former.
Neither.
kennedy broke no laws, show me ANY federal, state or city statute that criminalises taking ones child for a walk, how is it child endangerment?

What was his specific act of harrasment?

This question has been asked several times, none of the Kennedy bashers or the fanatical liberal totalitarians can offer an answer!!

Eyewitness account, a Dr in that hospital!
"The ONLY aggressors were the nurses".

Did you get that ?
According to the only eyewitness, who were the ONLY aggressors?


Yet you find it acceptable to take a newborn out in the January weather for "fresh air", you find it acceptable to shake a newborn because YOU are aggitated (ever hear of shaken baby syndrom?) (that is what the nurse was reaching for to STABILIZE the babies head and neck but YOU are so blinded with YOUR hate you can't or refuse to see that). You also find it acceptabel to RUN down the stairs with a newborn in your arms, after kicking and assautling 2 nurses.

WOW.. Just wow you are a lunatic if you find "attempted" murder in everything/time someone comes towards you.. You are a sick pathetic little man to read so much into any action.... PATHETIC!!!!!!!:poke:
It was an unseasonably warm day( in the low 70s).
No evidence that the baby was being shaken has been shown, exept the testimony of one of the kidnappers.
where is the evidence that he Ran?

on the CCTV no shaking is apparent, frantic aggressive behaviour from 2 kidnappers is all I see.
The only eyewitness stated that the kidnappers( nurses) were the ONLY aggressors.
They should have just kept out of what didn't concern them!
still avoiding the question?
which federal, state or city law did Kennedy break in respect of the child endangerment charge?

what act of harrassment did he vommit( fed state or city law)?
In response to your vicious insults, you think infant murder or kidnap never happens?
you think people are all kind and fluffy?
you ever been out of your sleepy suburb?
I have seen the capacity for humans to do harm.
I have seen children raped, nailed to timber beams and thrown into a river, entire families murdered.
I know people's ability to commit evil, I will stand against it.
Kennedy did the right thing, defended his child from agressors and kidnappers!

remember, the nurses were the only agressors!

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 09:38 AM
It was an unseasonably warm day( in the low 70s).
No evidence that the baby was being shaken has been shown, exept the testimony of one of the kidnappers.
where is the evidence that he Ran?

on the CCTV no shaking is apparent, frantic aggressive behaviour from 2 kidnappers is all I see.
The only eyewitness stated that the kidnappers( nurses) were the ONLY aggressors.
They should have just kept out of what didn't concern them!
still avoiding the question?
which federal, state or city law did Kennedy break in respect of the child endangerment charge?

what act of harrassment did he vommit( fed state or city law)?Care to back that up with proof!! why do you call them "kidnappers" when they had the childs health as a concern and HE didn't.. You know you continue to call them murderers and kidnapper we have this thing called libel!!!!!!!!

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 09:47 AM
It was an unseasonably warm day( in the low 70s).
No evidence that the baby was being shaken has been shown, exept the testimony of one of the kidnappers.
where is the evidence that he Ran?

on the CCTV no shaking is apparent, frantic aggressive behaviour from 2 kidnappers is all I see.
The only eyewitness stated that the kidnappers( nurses) were the ONLY aggressors.
They should have just kept out of what didn't concern them!
still avoiding the question?
which federal, state or city law did Kennedy break in respect of the child endangerment charge?

what act of harrassment did he vommit( fed state or city law)?
In response to your vicious insults, you think infant murder or kidnap never happens?
you think people are all kind and fluffy?
you ever been out of your sleepy suburb?
I have seen the capacity for humans to do harm.
I have seen children raped, nailed to timber beams and thrown into a river, entire families murdered.
I know people's ability to commit evil, I will stand against it.
Kennedy did the right thing, defended his child from agressors and kidnappers!

remember, the nurses were the only agressors!Care to link to that CCTV video so ALL of us can see what it is ONLY you have been privy to so far!?!?!?


Dude you know NOTHING about me or where I ahve been. I don't live in a freaking subburb never will.. Been in large cities and small, seen lots of bad things in my life but doesn't mean I have to ASSUME everyone is evil. IF you feel that bad how do you even interact with living people!!!!!! PATHETIC

007
10-16-2012, 09:50 AM
I already linked the CCTV coverage!

snatching a child or attempting to snatch a child from its legal parent is kidnapping. It is also of risk to the child!

jimnyc
10-16-2012, 10:07 AM
I have the right to enter any buisness, and yes they have the right to refuse service.
They may do this providing they do not infringe on my basic human and civil rights, those include the right to bear arms.
if a buisness put up a sign saying no coloureds you would be fine with that?

The civil rights act would prevent a business from denying someone based on color, but there are no similar protections for gun owners. Luckily though, we have businesses like Starbucks who went out of their way to allow open carriers into their business - and not a single person was shot!

jimnyc
10-16-2012, 10:10 AM
007, if their desire was to bring harm to this child, why would they have tried to do what they "thought" was the right thing by preventing him from leaving the hospital with the baby? Perhaps they could have approached it differently, tried to discuss things before everyone went overboard, but I certainly don't see "intent" on their side to have wanted to do harm.

007
10-16-2012, 10:20 AM
007, if their desire was to bring harm to this child, why would they have tried to do what they "thought" was the right thing by preventing him from leaving the hospital with the baby? Perhaps they could have approached it differently, tried to discuss things before everyone went overboard, but I certainly don't see "intent" on their side to have wanted to do harm.
how did Kennedy know their intent?
he entered the elevator( watch the CCTV), the nurses stormed in after him, pushing the Dr who was with him out of the way.
their arms are waving, pointing aggressively, Kennedy turns his back, leaning over his infant to protect and leaves the confined space the agressors attempted to pin him into.
he walked to a door and an agressor tries to prevent him opening it, he moves the agressor out of his way( as the law allows), another agressor then charged arms outstretched into the doorway just after mr Kennedy.
a split second later the agressor moves out of the doorway and lands subdued from her violent attack in a heap.
baby snatching, aggressive posturing and outright violence are signs that these agressors are looking out for the child's best interests?
kennedy did the right thing.
Remember, the nurses were the only agressors!

jimnyc
10-16-2012, 10:21 AM
how did Kennedy know their intent?
he entered the elevator( watch the CCTV), the nurses stormed in after him, pushing the Dr who was with him out of the way.
their arms are waving, pointing aggressively, Kennedy turns his back, leaning over his infant to protect and leaves the confined space the agressors attempted to pin him into.
he walked to a door and an agressor tries to prevent him opening it, he moves the agressor out of his way( as the law allows), another agressor then charged arms outstretched into the doorway just after mr Kennedy.
a split second later the agressor moves out of the doorway and lands subdued from her violent attack in a heap.
baby snatching, aggressive posturing and outright violence are signs that these agressors are looking out for the child's best interests?
kennedy did the right thing.
Remember, the nurses were the only agressors!

If all exactly as you state, then no big deal, he will be exonerated in court. And if provable, he can bring a civil suit against the nurses and hospital. I'm sure the Kennedy's can afford it.

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 10:23 AM
I already linked the CCTV coverage!

snatching a child or attempting to snatch a child from its legal parent is kidnapping. It is also of risk to the child!
no ya didn't. Its a single sreen shot!!!!!

007
10-16-2012, 10:25 AM
Who was right in this kidnapping, the mother who paid for her crime of not handing over her baby with her life or the kidnapper?
http://www.khou.com/news/cnn/Witnesses-Baby-snatched-from-woman-shot-outside-Spring-pediatric-center-147820445.html


no ya didn't. Its a single sreen shot!!!!!
Apparently the video is no longer available, copyright infringement!
cnn have it on one of their sites but it has been editorialized, if you watch the actual vid and ignore to biased lunacy of the presenters you will see the truth!

What is clear is that this was a premeditated incident co ordinated by violent unions pushing their intolerant liberal agenda.
The police closed ranks with the union nurses( unionised police) and a liberal prosecutor pressed charges.
why?
Because he is a Kennedy who dosent follow the mantra, he dares to be a conservative!

This would never have happened if he didn't work for Fox!!

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 10:50 AM
What is clear is that this was a premeditated incident co ordinated by violent unions pushing their intolerant liberal agenda.
The police closed ranks with the union nurses( unionised police) and a liberal prosecutor pressed charges.
why?
Because he is a Kennedy who dosent follow the mantra, he dares to be a conservative!

This would never have happened if he didn't work for Fox!!Got any proof of that????

007
10-16-2012, 11:11 AM
Got any proof of that????
The nurses are in the SNA, nursing union.
cops in either the FBPP, PPU or one of the other police unions, the prosecutor is clearly a liberal.
got any proof of your allegations?
have you answered the questions I presented?
no?
lets say then that Kennedy broke no fed, state or city law regarding child endangerment, that's why you have not presented any.
He comitted no act of harrssment, hence you have not shown which harrasment law he broke!!

007
10-16-2012, 11:30 AM
You can't show them?

Thats because you are wrong!
The agressors/kidnappers/were wrong, the cops are wrong and the prosecutor is wrong!

kennedy did exactly the right thing to defend his infant son from these aggressive thugs who attempted to snatch his son!

Trigg
10-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Apparently the video is no longer available, copyright infringement!
cnn have it on one of their sites but it has been editorialized, if you watch the actual vid and ignore to biased lunacy of the presenters you will see the truth!

What is clear is that this was a premeditated incident co ordinated by violent unions pushing their intolerant liberal agenda.
The police closed ranks with the union nurses( unionised police) and a liberal prosecutor pressed charges.
why?
Because he is a Kennedy who dosent follow the mantra, he dares to be a conservative!

This would never have happened if he didn't work for Fox!!

You are seriously delutional. You post a video, that actually is a still picture, and then go on for 4 pages making shit up.

NOW, you're stating that this all happened because of some HUGE liberal agenda :laugh: :lame2: Premeditated no less by violent nurses bent on punishing a conservative Kennedy.


Maybe you need to check on which meds you've been taking, I think you might have mixed them up.

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 12:15 PM
unionised nurses, unionized cops, liberal prosecutors, liberal press.

under which statute of federal or state law did he endanger his child?

same question relating to harrassment?

the nurses attempted to kidnap the infant, then pushed father and son down stairs!!

wouldnt have happened had he not worked for fox!!
such is the intolerance if fanatical liberal totalitarians!!

I heard Holder quietly installed spies as nurses to get Kennedy arrested and discourage his child from a career in journalism, unless it was for MSNBC.

Unless there was a clear medical danger to the infant, the nurses were wrong and should be charged with assault. Nobody needs to testify to that aspect as the medical documents would have already existed so unless the DA can produce the evidence, Kennedy walks with a lawsuit to follow.

007
10-16-2012, 12:18 PM
You are seriously delutional. You post a video, that actually is a still picture, and then go on for 4 pages making shit up.

NOW, you're stating that this all happened because of some HUGE liberal agenda :laugh: :lame2: Premeditated no less by violent nurses bent on punishing a conservative Kennedy.


Maybe you need to check on which meds you've been taking, I think you might have mixed them up.
Watch the video on YouTube.
It clearly shows who is in the wrong.
the doctor stating that the nurses were the only agressors says something too!

007
10-16-2012, 12:22 PM
I heard Holder quietly installed spies as nurses to get Kennedy arrested and discourage his child from a career in journalism, unless it was for MSNBC.

Unless there was a clear medical danger to the infant, the nurses were wrong and should be charged with assault. Nobody needs to testify to that aspect as the medical documents would have already existed so unless the DA can produce the evidence, Kennedy walks with a lawsuit to follow.
He will walk, the nurses should be fired.
If not, everyone will think they have the right to snatch children with extreme violence from the arms of their law abiding parents!
note the link above, just a few days after the Kennedy incident!!
perhaps even inspired by it!

Trigg
10-16-2012, 12:25 PM
Watch the video on YouTube.
It clearly shows who is in the wrong.
the doctor stating that the nurses were the only agressors says something too!

Unless you have a better video than the one I found. He was stopped from getting on the elevator, he had no doctor with him at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JUS7lBYtj4&feature=related


Here is another LONGER video. Which shows Kennedy kicking one of the nurses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHcp_iTyyrQ&feature=related

007
10-16-2012, 12:31 PM
In your link, the vid shows a tall man, in scrubs walking with Kennedy, that is the DR, the DR who said that the nurses were the only agressors.
No one else had made a statement corroborating the attackers lies.
the Drs statement exonerates Kennedy!
kennedy did the right thing, he defended his child from these crazed kidnappers!

Trigg
10-16-2012, 12:37 PM
In your link, the vid shows a tall man, in scrubs walking with Kennedy, that is the DR, the DR who said that the nurses were the only agressors.
No one else had made a statement corroborating the attackers lies.
the Drs statement exonerates Kennedy!
kennedy did the right thing, he defended his child from these crazed kidnappers!

The video shows the doctor coming AFTER the nurses have stopped him from getting on the elevator.

The ONLY aggressor I see is Kennedy kicking/shoving a woman so hard that she falls to the ground and is helped up by the doctor.



Look NO ONE CAN JUST TAKE AN INFANT OFF OF THE MATERNITY FLOOR. Children have been kidnapped by family members and crazed loonies. There are SECURITY MEASURES in place.

Monitoring bracelets and badge locked stairways are a few ways that hospitals limit people from walking around the maternity areas. IF Kennedy DID NOT HAVE HIS BRACELET ON than the nurses have no way of knowing if he should be allowed to take the child.

All he had to do was CALMLY go back and clear things up. He escalated things for no reason.

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 12:46 PM
In your link, the vid shows a tall man, in scrubs walking with Kennedy, that is the DR, the DR who said that the nurses were the only agressors.
No one else had made a statement corroborating the attackers lies.
the Drs statement exonerates Kennedy!
kennedy did the right thing, he defended his child from these crazed kidnappers!NO...... the RIGHT thing to do would have been to return to the room and coordinate a proper walk with his son. As the video stated he set off the alarms for a baby abduction, if the nurses in question did not know who he was than they were attempting to STOP AN ABDUCTION (kidnapping)...

NO the right thing Kennedy should have done was return to the room relieve the pressure of the incident and get teh RFID tags removed from his baby so he could take him for a walk.

I find it funny that you find fault with a couple of nurses who more than likely had NO IDEA who this jackass was trying to take a baby and attempting to stop him... Yet you find no fault with this pushy morons actions!!!!!!!

Also I will add that the Dr. in question was NOT NEAR the elevator when the altercation took place, plus I didn't see screaming and pushing all I saw was a couple of nurses instructing a stranger to return to the unit with the baby he absconded with, then this person became violent and a new code for security was called.....

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 12:53 PM
The video shows the doctor coming AFTER the nurses have stopped him from getting on the elevator.

The ONLY aggressor I see is Kennedy kicking/shoving a woman so hard that she falls to the ground and is helped up by the doctor.



Look NO ONE CAN JUST TAKE AN INFANT OFF OF THE MATERNITY FLOOR. Children have been kidnapped by family members and crazed loonies. There are SECURITY MEASURES in place.

Monitoring bracelets and badge locked stairways are a few ways that hospitals limit people from walking around the maternity areas. IF Kennedy DID NOT HAVE HIS BRACELET ON than the nurses have no way of knowing if he should be allowed to take the child.

All he had to do was CALMLY go back and clear things up. He escalated things for no reason.


These are nurses on a power trip and the only reason any physical altercation happened is because they overstepped their authority. They knew it was the father of the infant and did not care. They placed policy above people and put the infant in jeopardy by causing a physical confrontation.

007
10-16-2012, 12:54 PM
NO...... the RIGHT thing to do would have been to return to the room and coordinate a proper walk with his son. As the video stated he set off the alarms for a baby abduction, if the nurses in question did not know who he was than they were attempting to STOP AN ABDUCTION (kidnapping)...

NO the right thing Kennedy should have done was return to the room relieve the pressure of the incident and get teh RFID tags removed from his baby so he could take him for a walk.

I find it funny that you find fault with a couple of nurses who more than likely had NO IDEA who this jackass was trying to take a baby and attempting to stop him... Yet you find no fault with this pushy morons actions!!!!!!!

Also I will add that the Dr. in question was NOT NEAR the elevator when the altercation took place, plus I didn't see screaming and pushing all I saw was a couple of nurses instructing a stranger to return to the unit with the baby he absconded with, then this person became violent and a new code for security was called.....
No alarm was mentioned, the video shows the Dr on the corridor approaching the elevator with Kennedy, even the attackers have not argued this point.
that dr said the nurses were the only agressors.
now why not explain as I have oft requested, which specific laws kennedy broke?

Trigg
10-16-2012, 12:57 PM
These are nurses on a power trip and the only reason any physical altercation happened is because they overstepped their authority. They knew it was the father of the infant and did not care. They placed policy above people and put the infant in jeopardy by causing a physical confrontation.

Really, so you were there, IN the hallway when all of this took place??

Once again, so you don't miss it.

There are security measures in maternity wards so that loonies or divorced fathers, don't try to steal infants. The nurses were doing their job in trying to stop someone from taking an infant off the floor.

THAT IS WHY THE CODE WAS CALLED.

007
10-16-2012, 12:57 PM
The video shows the doctor coming AFTER the nurses have stopped him from getting on the elevator.

The ONLY aggressor I see is Kennedy kicking/shoving a woman so hard that she falls to the ground and is helped up by the doctor.



Look NO ONE CAN JUST TAKE AN INFANT OFF OF THE MATERNITY FLOOR. Children have been kidnapped by family members and crazed loonies. There are SECURITY MEASURES in place.

Monitoring bracelets and badge locked stairways are a few ways that hospitals limit people from walking around the maternity areas. IF Kennedy DID NOT HAVE HIS BRACELET ON than the nurses have no way of knowing if he should be allowed to take the child.

All he had to do was CALMLY go back and clear things up. He escalated things for no reason.

Which federal, state or city law cites that a parent may not take his child from a maternity ward?

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 12:58 PM
NO...... the RIGHT thing to do would have been to return to the room and coordinate a proper walk with his son. As the video stated he set off the alarms for a baby abduction, if the nurses in question did not know who he was than they were attempting to STOP AN ABDUCTION (kidnapping)...

NO the right thing Kennedy should have done was return to the room relieve the pressure of the incident and get teh RFID tags removed from his baby so he could take him for a walk.

I find it funny that you find fault with a couple of nurses who more than likely had NO IDEA who this jackass was trying to take a baby and attempting to stop him... Yet you find no fault with this pushy morons actions!!!!!!!

Also I will add that the Dr. in question was NOT NEAR the elevator when the altercation took place, plus I didn't see screaming and pushing all I saw was a couple of nurses instructing a stranger to return to the unit with the baby he absconded with, then this person became violent and a new code for security was called.....

They knew he was the father, otherwise the abduction alert may have had merit if it was a simple misunderstanding. The only concern here should be for the infant and if the nurses had exercised proper conduct they would have alerted security if they thought it was necessary and maintain visual with the father holding the infant without escalating any type of physical exchange.

Trigg
10-16-2012, 01:00 PM
No alarm was mentioned, the video shows the Dr on the corridor approaching the elevator with Kennedy, even the attackers have not argued this point.
that dr said the nurses were the only agressors.
now why not explain as I have oft requested, which specific laws kennedy broke?

Watch the second video. An alarm was sounded, In my hospital a code Pink would have been issued, it was then raised to a code purple. According to the video.


The video shows the doctor coming to the elevator AFTER the nurses had already tried to stop him.

The video also clearly shows Kennedy either pushing or kicking the nurse.

The charge is also clearly listed in the video. Assault on the nurses

007
10-16-2012, 01:03 PM
Watch the second video. An alarm was sounded, In my hospital a code Pink would have been issued, it was then raised to a code purple. According to the video.


The video shows the doctor coming to the elevator AFTER the nurses had already tried to stop him.

The video also clearly shows Kennedy either pushing or kicking the nurse.

The charge is also clearly listed in the video. Assault on the nurses

No charge of assault was made, he was attacked whilst going about his lawfull buisness.

Trigg
10-16-2012, 01:04 PM
They knew he was the father, otherwise the abduction alert may have had merit if it was a simple misunderstanding. The only concern here should be for the infant and if the nurses had exercised proper conduct they would have alerted security if they thought it was necessary and maintain visual with the father holding the infant without escalating any type of physical exchange.


Once again, you weren't there so you don't KNOW that the nurses knew who he was.

Also, from the video, the security people show up pretty quickly. Which tells me that as soon as he started getting physical at the stairwell, security was called. There would have been no reason to call security if he had gone calmly back with the nurses.

Trigg
10-16-2012, 01:08 PM
No charge of assault was made, he was attacked whilst going about his lawfull buisness.


Did you bother to watch the video.


Obviously not or you would know that he was charged with 3 misdemeanor charges for assault.

It is not lawfull to kick/shove people.

007
10-16-2012, 01:10 PM
We know that Kennedy broke no laws and was simply minding his own buisness when the two crazies pounced!

you can't see the dr in the elevator shot, the nurses pushed past him.

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 01:13 PM
Really, so you were there, IN the hallway when all of this took place??

Once again, so you don't miss it.

There are security measures in maternity wards so that loonies or divorced fathers, don't try to steal infants. The nurses were doing their job in trying to stop someone from taking an infant off the floor.

THAT IS WHY THE CODE WAS CALLED.

I wasn't in the hallway. They knew who he was and knew he wanted to take his baby outside for fresh air. He told them. Then they set off the the alarm accusing him of trying to "abscond" with his baby.....after he told them exactly what he was doing. After a hospital doctor told the nurses it was okay because he was accompanying him as well:

"The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child "to get fresh air" that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room, identified in court papers as "Dr. Haydock," later determined to be Dr. Timothy Haydock, a longtime family friend.

While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane's deposition."



So they knew it was the father. They knew where he was taking the infant. They knew a hospital doctor vouched for the constitutional. They knew it was not a kidnapping attempt.

It is rum raisin insane he got charged with anything.

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 01:14 PM
Link to the above quote:

http://m.nbcnewyork.com/nbcnewyork/pm_114636/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=zJM1JfFi

Trigg
10-16-2012, 01:18 PM
We know that Kennedy broke no laws and was simply minding his own buisness when the two crazies pounced!

you can't see the dr in the elevator shot, the nurses pushed past him.


I wasn't in the hallway. They knew who he was and knew he wanted to take his baby outside for fresh air. He told them. Then they set off the the alarm accusing him of trying to "abscond" with his baby.....after he told them exactly what he was doing. After a hospital doctor told the nurses it was okay because he was accompanying him as well:

"The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child "to get fresh air" that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room, identified in court papers as "Dr. Haydock," later determined to be Dr. Timothy Haydock, a longtime family friend.

While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane's deposition."



So they knew it was the father. They knew where he was taking the infant. They knew a hospital doctor vouched for the constitutional. They knew it was not a kidnapping attempt.

It is rum raisin insane he got charged with anything.

You two are a couple of loonies.

Neither one of you were there. Yet you act as though you not only were there, but know what was going on in the heads of the nurses and Kennedy.

It is not insane to charge someone for ASSAULT.

From YOUR post

As the nursing staff tried to calm him and dissuade him from leaving the hospital, Kennedy turned and walked toward a stairwell leading to the outside of the hospital.
"They called what's called a 'code pink,'" said Elliot Taub, a lawyer for the nurses. "That is, it looks like it's someone trying to abscond from the hospital with a newborn."
Lane blocked the doorway, "placing both hands on the doorknob" to prevent Kennedy from leaving, police said. Kennedy grabbed the nurse by her left wrist and twisted it to that he could pass into the stairwell, police said.
The baby's head "began to move from side to side, and in an attempt to stabilize the baby's head, nurse Cari Maleman Luciano reached toward the infant's head," police said.
"Instinctively as a nurse, I raised both my arms toward the neck of the baby to steady the violent shaking of the baby's head and neck," Luciano told investigators in a deposition.
While holding the child in his right arm, Kennedy kicked Luciano in the pelvis with his right foot, knocking her backward onto the floor, police said.
SEE THAT RAW VIDEO HERE (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/#!/news/local/RAW-VIDEO--Kennedy-Hospital-Confrontation/140361293)
As he did this, Kennedy fell onto the floor with the baby in his arms




Assault and stupidity, Kennedy had no reason to escalate the situation

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 01:22 PM
They knew he was the father, otherwise the abduction alert may have had merit if it was a simple misunderstanding. The only concern here should be for the infant and if the nurses had exercised proper conduct they would have alerted security if they thought it was necessary and maintain visual with the father holding the infant without escalating any type of physical exchange.


I wasn't in the hallway. They knew who he was and knew he wanted to take his baby outside for fresh air. He told them. Then they set off the the alarm accusing him of trying to "abscond" with his baby.....after he told them exactly what he was doing. After a hospital doctor told the nurses it was okay because he was accompanying him as well:

"The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child "to get fresh air" that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room, identified in court papers as "Dr. Haydock," later determined to be Dr. Timothy Haydock, a longtime family friend.

While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane's deposition."



So they knew it was the father. They knew where he was taking the infant. They knew a hospital doctor vouched for the constitutional. They knew it was not a kidnapping attempt.

It is rum raisin insane he got charged with anything.
You are actually going to tell us that EVERY nurse on a floor knows EVERY patient and patients relatives!!!! REALLY. You say something so it must be true, were those 2 nurses assigned to his babies and wifes room? If not than they have NO IDEA who he is only that a code pink was sounded which tells them a child is being abducted and than it escalated to a code purple that is issued with violence.. Really get your story straight and ralize the only one out of touch was this guy on a EGO trip to prove he was more important than anyone else and didn't ahve to obey any rules or anything.....

I would add that the Dr. involved is hardly a credible witness being as he is a LONG TIME family friend and friend of Kennedys for 40 years. YOU don't think there may be a little bias there??

007
10-16-2012, 01:28 PM
Did you bother to watch the video.


Obviously not or you would know that he was charged with 3 misdemeanor charges for assault.

It is not lawfull to kick/shove people.
Yes it is, constitutionally protected self defense and parental rights.
quote the specific laws he broke, you can't?
becsuse he broke non, he was attacked whilst going about his lawfull buisness!

007
10-16-2012, 01:31 PM
You two are a couple of loonies.

Neither one of you were there. Yet you act as though you not only were there, but know what was going on in the heads of the nurses and Kennedy.

It is not insane to charge someone for ASSAULT.

From YOUR post


Assault and stupidity, Kennedy had no reason to escalate the situation

Thsts just based on the lies the two crazed attackers spouted!

The eyewitness who was not involved but observed the attempted kidnapping stated that the only agressors were the nurses!
I respect the word of an honorable Dr over the lies of 2 union thugs any day!

Trigg
10-16-2012, 01:36 PM
Thsts just based on the lies the two crazed attackers spouted!

The eyewitness who was not involved but observed the attempted kidnapping stated that the only agressors were the nurses!
I respect the word of an honorable Dr over the lies of 2 union thugs any day!

I would venture to say that the assault charge is backed up with the video evidence as well.:laugh:


Look I realize that you have an hard on for the "liberal union thugs" also known as nurses. But, NOTHING, you've posted backs up your claims.

There are security measures in place on maternity wards.
A code Pink and purple were called.
The video shows HIM being aggressive.

You are a loon

007
10-16-2012, 01:36 PM
let's try a different approach!
which constitutionally protected right do nurses have to snatch children/attempt to snatch children from the loving arms of a parent?
which fed/state/city law entitles hospitals to deny constitutionally protected parental right?

007
10-16-2012, 01:38 PM
I would venture to say that the assault charge is backed up with the video evidence as well.:laugh:


Look I realize that you have an hard on for the "liberal union thugs" also known as nurses. But, NOTHING, you've posted backs up your claims.

There are security measures in place on maternity wards.
A code Pink and purple were called.
The video shows HIM being aggressive.

You are a loon
Cite the laws that deny a parent the right to take a child outside?

Trigg
10-16-2012, 01:41 PM
let's try a different approach!
which constitutionally protected right do nurses have to snatch children/attempt to snatch children from the loving arms of a parent?
which fed/state/city law entitles hospitals to deny constitutionally protected parental right?

The hospital and nursing staff may not know who the parents are. That is the reason for the security measures. They are not snatching infants they are trying to prevent an abduction.

What about that is so difficult for you to understand?



Better protective systems and a focus on security have been behind a stunning 20-year decline in hospital kidnappings, according to Rabun and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children statistics.
Not a single baby was stolen from a health care facility in 2011. Just one was taken in 2010; it was recovered safely soon after.
Compare that to 1991, when 11 babies were reportedly taken from hospitals throughout the country.
However, this year, hospitals across the country already have reported four abductions - the most since 2006.

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/563666/Increase-in-hospital-baby-abductions-raises-questions--debate-on-safety.html?nav=742

fj1200
10-16-2012, 01:43 PM
... constitutionally protected parental right?

Link?

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 01:44 PM
The hospital and nursing staff may not know who the parents are. That is the reason for the security measures. They are not snatching infants they are trying to prevent an abduction.

What about that is so difficult for you to understand?


http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/563666/Increase-in-hospital-baby-abductions-raises-questions--debate-on-safety.html?nav=742

Except that does not apply in this situation since the nurses knew who he was, where he was going, and being escorted by a hospital doctor.

007
10-16-2012, 01:47 PM
The hospital and nursing staff may not know who the parents are. That is the reason for the security measures. They are not snatching infants they are trying to prevent an abduction.

What about that is so difficult for you to understand?


http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/563666/Increase-in-hospital-baby-abductions-raises-questions--debate-on-safety.html?nav=742

They have a local celeb, who they hate on the unit, escorted by a Dr on the hospital staff!!
this was a premeditated assault on Kennedy by union thugs.
still you show not one law that allows nurses to imprison parents and children.

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 01:48 PM
You are actually going to tell us that EVERY nurse on a floor knows EVERY patient and patients relatives!!!! REALLY. You say something so it must be true, were those 2 nurses assigned to his babies and wifes room? If not than they have NO IDEA who he is only that a code pink was sounded which tells them a child is being abducted and than it escalated to a code purple that is issued with violence.. Really get your story straight and ralize the only one out of touch was this guy on a EGO trip to prove he was more important than anyone else and didn't ahve to obey any rules or anything.....

I would add that the Dr. involved is hardly a credible witness being as he is a LONG TIME family friend and friend of Kennedys for 40 years. YOU don't think there may be a little bias there??

There seems to be a communication gap as I am referring to this specific case only. Since the nurse admitted in her deposition the doctor stated he was with Kennedy and encouraged Kennedy to keep walking, the only bias we need to be concerned with is coming from those not addressing what the nurse stated in her deposition.

007
10-16-2012, 01:48 PM
Link?
Answer mine, I asked first!

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 01:50 PM
You two are a couple of loonies.

Neither one of you were there. Yet you act as though you not only were there, but know what was going on in the heads of the nurses and Kennedy.

It is not insane to charge someone for ASSAULT.

From YOUR post


Assault and stupidity, Kennedy had no reason to escalate the situation

I'm going by what the head nurse said in her deposition. Maybe it would be better to address what she stated instead of volunteering mental evaluations of other posters?

fj1200
10-16-2012, 01:50 PM
Answer mine, I asked first!

You based your question on a constitutional premise so it must be there and easy to find.

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 01:54 PM
Posted by Trigg
"You were not there. Posting what you THINK the nurses know over and over does not make it so."

For the third time: I am going by what the head nurse stated in her deposition. Have you read it or would that be too time consuming?

007
10-16-2012, 01:56 PM
You based your question on a constitutional premise so it must be there and easy to find.
No the question I referred to was which federal, state or city law was Kennedy breaking when taking his child for a walk?

fj1200
10-16-2012, 01:58 PM
No the question I referred to was which federal, state or city law was Kennedy breaking when taking his child for a walk?

Well the question to which I referred was:


let's try a different approach!
which constitutionally protected right do nurses have to snatch children/attempt to snatch children from the loving arms of a parent?
which fed/state/city law entitles hospitals to deny constitutionally protected parental right?

007
10-16-2012, 02:01 PM
Well the question to which I referred was:
It is customary to answer questions in the order they are delivered, I have asked the question a dozen times, you are still avoiding it.
which federal, state or city law did Kennedy break by taking his child for a walk?

fj1200
10-16-2012, 02:04 PM
It is customary to answer questions in the order they are delivered, I have asked the question a dozen times, you are still avoiding it.
which federal, state or city law did Kennedy break by taking his child for a walk?

It is not customary to allow an unchallenged false premise... for me anyway.

Trigg
10-16-2012, 02:05 PM
Posted by Trigg
"You were not there. Posting what you THINK the nurses know over and over does not make it so."

For the third time: I am going by what the head nurse stated in her deposition. Have you read it or would that be too time consuming?



What is your point? Kennedy tells her he wants to take the baby outside. The doctor, who the nurse may or may not have known, tells Kennedy to ignore the nurse, anyone can buy scrubs and pretend to be a doctor.

The nurse tries to stop him and when he gets angry a code Pink is called, when he gets physical a code Purple is called.


The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child "to get fresh air" that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room, identified in court papers as "Dr. Haydock," later determined to be Dr. Timothy Haydock, a longtime family friend.
While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane's deposition.



No the question I referred to was which federal, state or city law was Kennedy breaking when taking his child for a walk?

It's an assault charge, for kicking/shoving the nurse. IT wasn't for walking his child outside. Honestly :lame2:

007
10-16-2012, 02:06 PM
It is not customary to allow an unchallenged false premise.
Answer the question and then I will provide you with that which you have requested.
or are you incapable of providing an answer, because there isn't one!

007
10-16-2012, 02:09 PM
What is your point? Kennedy tells her he wants to take the baby outside. The doctor, who the nurse may or may not have known, tells Kennedy to ignore the nurse, anyone can buy scrubs and pretend to be a doctor.

The nurse tries to stop him and when he gets angry a code Pink is called, when he gets physical a code Purple is called.





It's an assault charge, for kicking/shoving the nurse. IT wasn't for walking his child outside. Honestly :lame2:
the nurses got physical first, one tried to grab the baby!
anyone can buy scrubs and call themselves a nurse!
if a stranger, in scrubs tried to snatch my baby have I the right to prevent that from happening?

fj1200
10-16-2012, 02:09 PM
Answer the question and then I will provide you with that which you have requested.
or are you incapable of providing an answer, because there isn't one!

If that's what you believe then you can go ahead and back up your premise.





Note: I see we've entered the conspiracy theory arena. :twilightzone:

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 02:09 PM
What is your point? Kennedy tells her he wants to take the baby outside. The doctor, who the nurse may or may not have known, tells Kennedy to ignore the nurse, anyone can buy scrubs and pretend to be a doctor.

The nurse tries to stop him and when he gets angry a code Pink is called, when he gets physical a code Purple is called.





It's an assault charge, for kicking/shoving the nurse. IT wasn't for walking his child outside. Honestly :lame2:

The nurse stated in her deposition she knew the doctor so your attempt to insert false information again has failed.

007
10-16-2012, 02:11 PM
If that's what you believe then you can go ahead and back up your premise.





Note: I see we've entered the conspiracy theory arena. :twilightzone:
Tell me your answer, stop avoiding the question!
you will get all your answers when you give yours!

Trigg
10-16-2012, 02:15 PM
the nurses got physical first, one tried to grab the baby!
anyone can buy scrubs and call themselves a nurse!
if a stranger, in scrubs tried to snatch my baby have I the right to prevent that from happening?

NOT according to the VIDEO :lame2:. All the guy had to do was walk back to the nurses station and clear things up. Once again, 4th time I think, security measures are in place to prevent abductions.


The nurse stated in her deposition she knew the doctor so your attempt to insert false information again has failed.

No where in the deposition does it state she knew the doctor, I posted from your article. Care to post where your NEW info comes from?

fj1200
10-16-2012, 02:15 PM
Tell me your answer, stop avoiding the question!
you will get all your answers when you give yours!

OK, so no constitutional issues here then.

007
10-16-2012, 02:20 PM
NOT according to the VIDEO :lame2:. All the guy had to do was walk back to the nurses station and clear things up. Once again, 4th time I think, security measures are in place to prevent abductions.



No where in the deposition does it state she knew the doctor, I posted from your article. Care to post where your NEW info comes from?
The nurse moved in front of him, grabbing a door handle, preventing his exercising his legal right to take his son for a walk, he used an appropriate and recognized technique to move her out of his way,in order that she cease and desist from her illegal activities.
what law enables a nurse to imprison a father and son?

007
10-16-2012, 02:26 PM
I'm heading out now, with my 9 month old, are you telling me that if anyone tries to snatch him from me they are within their rights, if I stop them I am a criminal?
anyone can snatch a child and get away with it?

Trigg
10-16-2012, 02:29 PM
I'm heading out now, with my 9 month old, are you telling me that if anyone tries to snatch him from me they are within their rights, if I stop them I am a criminal?
anyone can snatch a child and get away with it?


That has NOT been said anywhere in this thread.

Enjoy your walk.

If however, you decide to take a walk into the local maternity ward you will notice SECURITY MEASURES that are in place to prevent YOU or ANYONE else walking out with an infant without first providing PROOF of who you are.

fj1200
10-16-2012, 02:30 PM
I'm heading out now, with my 9 month old, are you telling me that if anyone tries to snatch him from me they are within their rights, if I stop them I am a criminal?
anyone can snatch a child and get away with it?

If that's your take-away then this...


I think the defense should consider Barbera Boxers ( head if the abortion movement) insisting that a life is not a life until it is at home with its parents as a defense.
Defending a child from the forces of abortion, who believe that they may kill an infant at any time until it gets home from the hospital, in accordance with their leaders spoken word!

They tried to murder Bo, his Father saved his life.

In Kennedy's shoes I would have opened fire!

is frightening.

gabosaurus
10-16-2012, 02:36 PM
I find a lot of statements made by 007 to be frightening. Sort of like a reverse Mullah, issuing extremist threats and fatwas.

007
10-16-2012, 02:36 PM
That has NOT been said anywhere in this thread.

Enjoy your walk.

If however, you decide to take a walk into the local maternity ward you will notice SECURITY MEASURES that are in place to prevent YOU or ANYONE else walking out with an infant without first providing PROOF of who you are.
Kennedy's attackers didn't ask for proof, they launched into a vicious criminal attack on him and his infant!

007
10-16-2012, 02:38 PM
I find a lot of statements made by 007 to be frightening. Sort of like a reverse Mullah, issuing extremist threats and fatwas.
Liar, I have made no threats!

Nukeman
10-16-2012, 02:40 PM
Liar, I have made no threats!Dude you have threatened bodily harm up and including deadly force with a fire arm if you "percieve" a threat real or not!!!!!!! its back like 3-4 pages... Geez can't keep up with all your bullshit???:laugh2:

gabosaurus
10-16-2012, 02:48 PM
pwned by Nukeman! (again) :slap:

007
10-16-2012, 02:56 PM
Dude you have threatened bodily harm up and including deadly force with a fire arm if you "percieve" a threat real or not!!!!!!! its back like 3-4 pages... Geez can't keep up with all your bullshit???:laugh2:
intent is not a threat, a threat must be specific.

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 02:57 PM
NOT according to the VIDEO :lame2:. All the guy had to do was walk back to the nurses station and clear things up. Once again, 4th time I think, security measures are in place to prevent abductions.



No where in the deposition does it state she knew the doctor, I posted from your article. Care to post where your NEW info comes from?

You keep using the term "abduction" when clearly the nurses knew who Kennedy was and where he was going, along with the doctor. I suspect you repeatedly insert hyperbole to camouflage the inability to justify the nurses' actions.

Once again from my link:

"The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child "to get fresh air" that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room..."

Now don't you think if she didn't know who it was she wouldn't have referred to him as a doctor who worked in the hospital?

Maybe this will help:

Why is it you cannot find a single link showing where Lane states she didn't know it was Kennedy and didn't know the doctor walking with him?

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 02:59 PM
Kennedy's attackers didn't ask for proof, they launched into a vicious criminal attack on him and his infant!

That is hyperbole like Trigg using "abduction."

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 03:00 PM
I wasn't in the hallway. They knew who he was and knew he wanted to take his baby outside for fresh air. He told them. Then they set off the the alarm accusing him of trying to "abscond" with his baby.....after he told them exactly what he was doing. After a hospital doctor told the nurses it was okay because he was accompanying him as well:

"The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child "to get fresh air" that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room, identified in court papers as "Dr. Haydock," later determined to be Dr. Timothy Haydock, a longtime family friend.

While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane's deposition."



So they knew it was the father. They knew where he was taking the infant. They knew a hospital doctor vouched for the constitutional. They knew it was not a kidnapping attempt.

It is rum raisin insane he got charged with anything.

In response to that post nukeman stated:

"uhhh....NOPE."

Well, that was thoughtful and convincing.

007
10-16-2012, 03:09 PM
So Kennedy or his child broke no law and somehow two strangers are justified in trying to grab the child from him?
he should have armed himself against these criminals!

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 03:14 PM
So Kennedy or his child broke no law and somehow two strangers are justified in trying to grab the child from him?
he should have armed himself against these criminals!

The nurse was wrong to block his path and he was wrong for grabbing her wrist while holding his baby. , he other nurse was wrong to try and grab the baby and I can't really blame him for kicking her because she had no just cause to put the baby's safety in danger just like he shouldn't have grabbed the nurse's wrist
Yes he had a legal right to defend himself but he should have thought of his baby first.

Both parties made wrong moves but ultimately the nurses are responsible for the situation for basically a power trip. Yes, nurses often go on power trips just like cops.

Trigg
10-16-2012, 05:44 PM
You keep using the term "abduction" when clearly the nurses knew who Kennedy was and where he was going, along with the doctor. I suspect you repeatedly insert hyperbole to camouflage the inability to justify the nurses' actions.

Once again from my link:

"The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child "to get fresh air" that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room..."

Now don't you think if she didn't know who it was she wouldn't have referred to him as a doctor who worked in the hospital?

Maybe this will help:

Why is it you cannot find a single link showing where Lane states she didn't know it was Kennedy and didn't know the doctor walking with him?

You are adding quotations in different points than they are in the article. Are you purposly doing this or do you really not understand how quotes work?

She didn't refer to the doctor as anything in her quote. she simply said, as stated below, that Kennedy wanted to take the child outside. The deposition then refers to the Dr., the nurse does not refer to him. Simple right, all you have to do is read, and not screw with the quotations when copying.

I keep using the word abduction, because that is why the code pink was called. ANYTIME someone tries to take an infant out of the maternity ward without authorization it is treated as a possible abduction. They happen, in fact there have been 11 attempts this year accorting to the article I posted earlier.


The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child "to get fresh air" that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room, identified in court papers as "Dr. Haydock," later determined to be Dr. Timothy Haydock, a longtime family friend.
While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane's deposition.

007
10-16-2012, 06:28 PM
You are adding quotations in different points than they are in the article. Are you purposly doing this or do you really not understand how quotes work?

She didn't refer to the doctor as anything in her quote. she simply said, as stated below, that Kennedy wanted to take the child outside. The deposition then refers to the Dr., the nurse does not refer to him. Simple right, all you have to do is read, and not screw with the quotations when copying.

I keep using the word abduction, because that is why the code pink was called. ANYTIME someone tries to take an infant out of the maternity ward without authorization it is treated as a possible abduction. They happen, in fact there have been 11 attempts this year accorting to the article I posted earlier.
Which law ( fed state or local) says its an abduction to legally and lawfully take your child for a walk?

did I abduct my 9 month old six or seven times today?

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 06:37 PM
You are adding quotations in different points than they are in the article. Are you purposly doing this or do you really not understand how quotes work?

She didn't refer to the doctor as anything in her quote. she simply said, as stated below, that Kennedy wanted to take the child outside. The deposition then refers to the Dr., the nurse does not refer to him. Simple right, all you have to do is read, and not screw with the quotations when copying.

I keep using the word abduction, because that is why the code pink was called. ANYTIME someone tries to take an infant out of the maternity ward without authorization it is treated as a possible abduction. They happen, in fact there have been 11 attempts this year accorting to the article I posted earlier.

It is from her own deposition. Once again:

"While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane's deposition."

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 06:42 PM
There is something quite simple being overlooked. The baby is a minor and hospitals are required to obtain parental consent for medical treatment save a few exceptions such as abortions and emergency care. The nurses had no legal authority to force medical treatment on the infant against the will of the father and they actually violated the law by attempting to force the father to return the infant to the bassinet.

007
10-16-2012, 06:46 PM
Lets face it, the nurses were wrong!!
they have no legal right to interfere with a parent taking his child for a walk!

Trigg
10-16-2012, 07:11 PM
It is from her own deposition. Once again:

"While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane's deposition."

Yes, once again. YOU MOVED the quotations. post 94 look again, when you realize your mistake we can talk again.


Lets face it, the nurses were wrong!!
they have no legal right to interfere with a parent taking his child for a walk!

He was charged with 3 counts of assault. You moron, what about that is so hard for you to comprehend???? Honestly this is getting old. NO ONE is charging him with taking the baby. He over reacted to hospital policy regarding the SAFETY of infants in the ward.

Pulsaronova
10-16-2012, 07:18 PM
Yes, once again. YOU MOVED the quotations. post 94 look again, when you realize your mistake we can talk again.



He was charged with 3 counts of assault. You moron, what about that is so hard for you to comprehend???? Honestly this is getting old. NO ONE is charging him with taking the baby. He over reacted to hospital policy regarding the SAFETY of infants in the ward.

The article highlighted it was from Lane's.deposition. ignore that for the fifth time.

You never did find any evidence to support your claim they didn't know it was the father and they didn't know it was a doctor. Making claims you can't back up must make you very popular on here.

Trigg
10-16-2012, 07:29 PM
The article highlighted it was from Lane's.deposition. ignore that for the fifth time.

You never did find any evidence to support your claim they didn't know it was the father and they didn't know it was a doctor. Making claims you can't back up must make you very popular on here.

Not ignoring the quote. I am however pointing out that YOU moved the quotations marks.

Please feel free to quote my post where I claim that the nurse didn't know kennedy was the father or that they didn't know the doctor.


I'll wait.:cool:

007
10-16-2012, 07:49 PM
Yes, once again. YOU MOVED the quotations. post 94 look again, when you realize your mistake we can talk again.



He was charged with 3 counts of assault. You moron, what about that is so hard for you to comprehend???? Honestly this is getting old. NO ONE is charging him with taking the baby. He over reacted to hospital policy regarding the SAFETY of infants in the ward.
He did not overreact, the union thugs tried to snatch his child, he defended his child.

If I was walking down the st with my 9 month old and 2 crazed thugs tried to snatch him, would I be at fault?
what law was he breaking that entitled these nurses to attack him?
( note, he broke no law by taking his child for a walk).
the union thugs had no lawfull reason to prevent his freedom of movement, he will walk!
a nurse is there to clean bedpans and change diapers, not to enforce imaginary laws!!!

007
10-16-2012, 07:55 PM
Trigg you major liar and retard, Kennedy has been charged with two trumped up false charges.
Child endangerment and harrassment.
his trial will go ahead on oct 22.
the court records say nothing of assault, hence more union thugs threatening the Kennedy's at the original hearing!

007
10-17-2012, 07:22 AM
No attempt by the Kennedy bashers or fanatical liberal totalitarians to reference the federal, state or local laws that Kennedy broke, thus entitling the union thugs to attempt to snatch his child?
Your union thugs were in the wrong!

Nukeman
10-17-2012, 07:46 AM
Trigg you major liar and retard, Kennedy has been charged with two trumped up false charges.
Child endangerment and harrassment.
his trial will go ahead on oct 22.
the court records say nothing of assault, hence more union thugs threatening the Kennedy's at the original hearing!
You would know all about being a liar wouldn't you!! YOU who constantly call the nurses who were looking out for the health and safety of a NEW BORN baby, KIDNAPERS & ATTEMPTED MURDERES.. How do you justify that big lie of your's?? What proof do YOU have that they had malice in their hearts. The video shows NO ONE assaulting anyone other than Kennedy kicking and grabbing the nurses!!!!!!

He has the right to take his child anytime he wants, but you are convienently forgetting the hospital policy of ensuring the proper people have the proper child and making sure the child is not beign abducted. Those procedures are in place for SAFETY and just because your freaking name is "Kennedy" does not give you carte blanche to ignor the policy put in place by the private company on their private property to ensure safety. Don't like how they take the time to be safe, have your freaking baby at home with a mid-wife or their Dr. friend than they can walk down the fucking street with the embilical cord still attached..

If you are not willing to follow the policy and procedures of the Hospital than stay the hell out of it!!!!!!! It really is that simple!! If you don't get or understand that than you are too stupid to even waste another minute on.....

fj1200
10-17-2012, 07:59 AM
If you are not willing to follow the policy and procedures of the Hospital...

Which would make the whole affair, minus the ensuing assault, a contract issue.

Nukeman
10-17-2012, 08:06 AM
Which would make the whole affair, minus the ensuing assault, a contract issue.
I do believe that upon admission to the hospital a "contract" is signed to the effect of course of treatment and how that will be handled.. HE broke that agreement by REFUSING to adhere to the policies put in place for the safety of all patients. Next time he should read what he signs...

EVERY hospital has patients sign the appropriate paperwork for treatment and all waivers

These two numbnuts are too fixed on stupid to see that kennedy was in the WRONG

007
10-17-2012, 12:16 PM
I do believe that upon admission to the hospital a "contract" is signed to the effect of course of treatment and how that will be handled.. HE broke that agreement by REFUSING to adhere to the policies put in place for the safety of all patients. Next time he should read what he signs...

EVERY hospital has patients sign the appropriate paperwork for treatment and all waivers

These two numbnuts are too fixed on stupid to see that kennedy was in the WRONG

Which laws did he break by going for a walk?
what right had they to overrule him?
he was a paying customer after all, the customer is always right!

fj1200
10-17-2012, 12:20 PM
Which laws did he break by going for a walk?
what right had they to overrule him?
he was a paying customer after all, the customer is always right!

No they're not. Link to the policies that the parents agreed to prior to admittance please.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 12:47 PM
I think this thread breaks the record for most accusations without facts to back them up. :coffee:

007
10-17-2012, 12:51 PM
No they're not. Link to the policies that the parents agreed to prior to admittance please.
You show the link, I never agreed to anything exept treatment when my kids were delivered.

as a paying customer you are always right.
nurses should stick to emptying bedpans and not attack infants!

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 01:00 PM
You show the link, I never agreed to anything exept treatment when my kids were delivered.

as a paying customer you are always right.
nurses should stick to emptying bedpans and not attack infants!

A hospital WILL NOT admit a patient without signatures on liability issues and other notifications of what the hospital will be doing. Hell, I just had a small surgery and I had to sign about 50 forms! Oh, and nurses don't empty bedpans, at least not most. And "attacking an infant" only adds to my comment above about baseless accusations without links. You're confusing them trying to stop him with attacking the baby, and it's so obviously transparent that it's comical. Do I think he should be able to have taken his child for a walk? Absolutely. I also think the hospital has a duty to that child up until the mother and baby are discharged, and not every nurse and every doctor is going to be aware of every last detail. He could simply have walked back, sat down, and went over things with them - and then went for a walk. Seems to me like he chose to be combative instead.

My last surgery, in 2007, I wasn't allowed to take myself for a walk let alone a baby! Security followed me and physically returned me to my room. Until such time that my doctor gave written discharge, and released me from the hospital, they were in charge of my health.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 01:07 PM
Also, anytime a patient chooses to leave, or parent "forcing" a child to leave - that would be "AMA" - against medical advice, and a form would need to be signed for this to happen. If staff wanted the baby to stay in the ward, and the parent wanted otherwise, he would have to sign this form.

fj1200
10-17-2012, 01:16 PM
You show the link, I never agreed to anything exept treatment when my kids were delivered.

You agree to a whole host of things when you enter a hospital.

Are There Special Maternity Ward Rules Just For Kennedys? (http://gothamist.com/2012/02/26/nurse_after_run-in_with_rfks_son_i.php)
Lane and Cari Luciano's lawyer Eliot Taub, a personal injury lawyer, said that rules for removing babies from the maternity ward are very strict and it was unclear whether Kennedy was authorized (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/kennedy_sparked_hosp_alert_NcME0WzLXOq872m4j6LtuK? CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=) to do so, "They have been instructed as per hospital guidelines that each newborn cannot leave the ward without written permission by medical personnel." Steve Luciano said, "I don’t think that anybody, even a Kennedy, should go around kicking hospital personnel and believe there are no ramifications."

Hospitals defend infant safety in wake of Douglas Kennedy scuffle (http://www.lohud.com/article/20120229/NEWS02/302290060/Hospitals-defend-infant-safety-wake-Douglas-Kennedy-scuffle-watch-extensive-video)
When Kimberley Murray’s baby managed to set off her monitoring bracelet after she was born at Northern Westchester Hospital, the new mom was impressed with what happened next.“We had three nurses and a security guard swarm our room to check it out. They take it very seriously,” said the 23-year-old from Dobbs Ferry. “It made me appreciate the work they do and made me realize our daughter was well taken care of.”
...
Hudson Valley Hospital Center in Cortlandt also has monitoring devices on newborns and doesn’t allow babies to leave the maternity unit until they are discharged from the hospital, said Sabrina Nitkowski-Keever, director of maternal and child health.
“We’ve never had any issues, and it has to do with open communication,” she said. “Parents are fully aware of what’s expected and of our policies and procedures right upon admission.”
Hospitals need strict rules and vigilant staff to prevent child abductions and infant injuries, officials said.


as a paying customer you are always right.
nurses should stick to emptying bedpans and not attack infants!

Balderdash, the lot of it. You probably think the Constitution guarantees that the customer is right.

Abbey
10-17-2012, 01:45 PM
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/059/a/5/abandon_thread_by_heatresin-d4rbopa.png

DragonStryk72
10-17-2012, 02:22 PM
Where did you get that the nurses were "unionized"?? Did you research the whole story. this idiot tried to remove his NEW BORN son out of the hospital!! HE assaulted 2 nurses attempting to take his child o ut for "fresh air". So you're OK with him kicking and pushing nurses to the floor becasue in YOUR mind they are union thugs.. Are you freaking kidding me!?!?!?!?!?

Wow, just WOW!!!!! Stretch much?????

If someone tries to grab my healthy kid out of my hands, yeah, they've got it coming. I don't if they're an emt, a cop, or a marine. You try to grab my kid, you'd better damn well be prepared to KILL me for him.

This wasn't an "abduction", and nowhere in the article is it in any way stated that the nurses believed that. This was entirely based on a fear of fresh air, something that's been around some 12,000 years. It hasn't seemed to have killed any of our babies previously, so I don't see how it had suddenly become so insanely deadly in the last 10 years. Are we having a lot of infants dying from breathing air or something?

What I find really telling is the doctor who back Kennedy up here, stating that the nurses were the only aggressors.


An emergency room doctor at the hospital who was accompanying Kennedy when the altercation happened said in a statement that the nurses were "the only aggressors."

"Then and now I felt that Douglas would not be putting his healthy child at risk or danger by taking him for a quick walk outside," said Dr. Timonthy Haydock, who said he has been a friend of the Kennedys for decades. "To charge Mr. Kennedy with a crime is simply incomprehensible to me."



Okay, so here we go: A dad decides to take his newborn son for a walk, with a Doctor coming along with him. THAT MONSTER! Clearly means be stopped by any means necessary.

007
10-17-2012, 02:27 PM
Also, anytime a patient chooses to leave, or parent "forcing" a child to leave - that would be "AMA" - against medical advice, and a form would need to be signed for this to happen. If staff wanted the baby to stay in the ward, and the parent wanted otherwise, he would have to sign this form.
Under which federal, state or local law?

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 02:35 PM
Under which federal, state or local law?

Hospital guidelines and insurance guidelines. This is why they have patients sign paperwork, and insurance can then deny entire coverage for the stay if a patient/guardian goes against what they agreed to and/or hospital guidelines.

Abbey
10-17-2012, 02:38 PM
Your Rights as a PatientAt Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, we support your right to
know about your health and illness, and your right to participate in
decisions that affect your well-being. Our own statement of patients’
rights, incorporating state and federal law, describes the medical
center’s commitment to protecting your rights.

...
You have the right to leave the medical center even if your
doctors advise against it, unless you have certain infectious diseases
that may influence the health of others, or if you are incapable of
maintaining your own safety or the safety of others, as defined by law.
If you decide to leave before the doctors advise, the medical center
will not be responsible for any harm that this may cause you, and you
will be asked to sign a “Discharge Against Medical Advice” form.
...
http://www.bidmc.org/PatientAndVisitorInformation/PreparingforYourVisit/PatientsRightsandResponsibilities.aspx


Just one hospital, but probably indicative of many. I don't have the inclination or time to research health laws in 50 states. But it's not even a question of laws, as much as hospital policies based on optimal safety and health care. If anyone wishes to leave a hopsital before they are officially discharged, they sign a form explaining the medical risks and attempting to relieve the hopital of responsibility. Mr. Kennedy did not do that. In this hyper-litigious country, I think that is a very reasonable request.

The other statements made in this thread about murderous nurses, etc., have no basis in the story, and are whack.

007
10-17-2012, 02:38 PM
Hospital guidelines and insurance guidelines. This is why they have patients sign paperwork, and insurance can then deny entire coverage for the stay if a patient/guardian goes against what they agreed to and/or hospital guidelines.
So this is now law?
hospital policy?

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 02:38 PM
If someone tries to grab my healthy kid out of my hands, yeah, they've got it coming. I don't if they're an emt, a cop, or a marine. You try to grab my kid, you'd better damn well be prepared to KILL me for him.

This wasn't an "abduction", and nowhere in the article is it in any way stated that the nurses believed that. This was entirely based on a fear of fresh air, something that's been around some 12,000 years. It hasn't seemed to have killed any of our babies previously, so I don't see how it had suddenly become so insanely deadly in the last 10 years. Are we having a lot of infants dying from breathing air or something?

What I find really telling is the doctor who back Kennedy up here, stating that the nurses were the only aggressors.



Okay, so here we go: A dad decides to take his newborn son for a walk, with a Doctor coming along with him. THAT MONSTER! Clearly means be stopped by any means necessary.

Simple, being they were looking to protect the baby, all he needed to do was remain calm and rational, come back in and explain things to them with his doctor, "maybe" sign paperwork if that is what is requested, and be on his way for a walk about 5 minutes later. Belligerence and his attitude that he could do whatever he wanted, even though they have guidelines in the maternity wards, is what escalated this to a point that it need not have went to. If he didn't want their expertise, their guidelines and rules, and knew what was better for the baby than them, he shouldn't have went their to have the baby. Even though it's obviously his child, they are 100% responsible for that child's health and care until discharge.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 02:40 PM
So this is now law?
hospital policy?

I believe you read what I wrote, if you want to continue asking dumb questions and repetitive questions, ask someone else. If you disagree with hospital rules and guidelines, write to the AMA or the hospital administrators.

007
10-17-2012, 02:48 PM
I believe you read what I wrote, if you want to continue asking dumb questions and repetitive questions, ask someone else. If you disagree with hospital rules and guidelines, write to the AMA or the hospital administrators.
How did he endanger the child?
under which law?
if hospital policy dictates law, should I be arrested for drinking more than 3 beers in one day against drs advice?

fj1200
10-17-2012, 02:57 PM
So this is now law?
hospital policy?

It's a freely entered into agreement/contract.

007
10-17-2012, 03:13 PM
It's a freely entered into agreement/contract.
Under pain of violent assault, arrest and charge?

Noir
10-17-2012, 03:31 PM
Under pain of violent assault, arrest and charge?

No silly, it's actually under pain of death.
But due to cut backs the nurses weren't properly equipped with the tools needed to perform summery executions.
That's public sector cutbacks for ya.

Nukeman
10-17-2012, 03:47 PM
If someone tries to grab my healthy kid out of my hands, yeah, they've got it coming. I don't if they're an emt, a cop, or a marine. You try to grab my kid, you'd better damn well be prepared to KILL me for him.

This wasn't an "abduction", and nowhere in the article is it in any way stated that the nurses believed that. This was entirely based on a fear of fresh air, something that's been around some 12,000 years. It hasn't seemed to have killed any of our babies previously, so I don't see how it had suddenly become so insanely deadly in the last 10 years. Are we having a lot of infants dying from breathing air or something?

What I find really telling is the doctor who back Kennedy up here, stating that the nurses were the only aggressors.



Okay, so here we go: A dad decides to take his newborn son for a walk, with a Doctor coming along with him. THAT MONSTER! Clearly means be stopped by any means necessary.Dude this is NOT about the parental right to take a child off the unit floor, IT is about following established protocol for doing so. ALL newborn babies are now fitted with RFID bracelets and umbilical clamps to keep strangers from abducting them. NOW in order to remove a child from the unit the system will have o be deactivated in order to NOT cause a lock down of doors and exits.

When this guys stated he wanted to take his child for a walk and get some air I would be willing to bet that the nurse assumed he meant around the unit NOT outside. When he attempted to leave the unit a alarm sounded and 2 nurses responded NO WHERE is it stated that these nurses know who he was only that he had a new born and set off alarm..

Tell me this, would you have fought with the nurses or would you have calmly walked back to the room and said I think there has been a misunderstanding about my intent of my walk and I appreciate the measures you take to keep my family safe from strangers.. The ER Dr. may not be known to the Maternity ward staff, especially in a larger hospital. Most maternity dept are isolated with who they interact with and the same physicians are routinely present and the others RARELY if ever come into that department.

The Dr. in question is a LONG TIME friend of the Kennedy's in fact he has known this one for 40 years, you think he might be a little biased in his assessment of what happened. I would point out that he came into view of the video AFTER the elevator was blocked, if he was a SMART physician he would have known the protocols for the OB dept and said hey lets get this straightened out and we can go for our walk, but no he was as much of an ass as Kennedy was..

Now suppose this was another person absconding with a new born KENNEDY baby and no one stopped them from leaving the floor, how do you think that would have gone over, I mean after all it was only a father taking his new born son for a walk how were they to know that he was actually a kidnapper???

You guys make me laugh when you talk about how this is so wrong but let one slip through and be kidnapped and you are the same ones screaming why didn't they have some safety mechanism in place.. Jesus you can't have it both ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!

007
10-17-2012, 03:50 PM
Thing is, it wasn't an unknown, it was the father accompanied by a dr employed at the hospital.
where did he endanger the infant?
what act of harrasment did he commit?

007
10-17-2012, 03:51 PM
Simple, being they were looking to protect the baby, all he needed to do was remain calm and rational, come back in and explain things to them with his doctor, "maybe" sign paperwork if that is what is requested, and be on his way for a walk about 5 minutes later. Belligerence and his attitude that he could do whatever he wanted, even though they have guidelines in the maternity wards, is what escalated this to a point that it need not have went to. If he didn't want their expertise, their guidelines and rules, and knew what was better for the baby than them, he shouldn't have went their to have the baby. Even though it's obviously his child, they are 100% responsible for that child's health and care until discharge.
They were protecting the baby, from what?

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 03:51 PM
How did he endanger the child?
under which law?
if hospital policy dictates law, should I be arrested for drinking more than 3 beers in one day against drs advice?

Look it up if you're capable of reading, I'm not here for your amusement.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 03:53 PM
They were protecting the baby, from what?

Possible health consequences, as they are liable until such time the baby is discharged. If that doesn't help you, maybe try rif.org.

007
10-17-2012, 04:00 PM
A dr was accompanying them, a dr is a danger to a child?

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 04:04 PM
A dr was accompanying them, a dr is a danger to a child?

Where did anyone state that? The doctor was not part of the maternity ward and they are the ones responsible for the babies health until discharge. I mean this respectfully - do you have issues reading and comprehending? You seem to have a severe disconnect from reading articles, posts and comprehending both. Either way, I'm not here to answer dumb questions over and over when the person asking obviously has issues understanding the answers.

Trigg
10-17-2012, 04:29 PM
Where did anyone state that? The doctor was not part of the maternity ward and they are the ones responsible for the babies health until discharge. I mean this respectfully - do you have issues reading and comprehending? You seem to have a severe disconnect from reading articles, posts and comprehending both. Either way, I'm not here to answer dumb questions over and over when the person asking obviously has issues understanding the answers.

lol, I see you've decided to beat your head against a brick wall for a while. I'm glad you took over, my head was getting sore.

007
10-17-2012, 04:35 PM
lol, I see you've decided to beat your head against a brick wall for a while. I'm glad you took over, my head was getting sore.
Still no one has shown how he endangered his child. He was charged with child endangerment, what specific act caused that charge to be leveled?

Trigg
10-17-2012, 04:40 PM
The article highlighted it was from Lane's.deposition. ignore that for the fifth time.

You never did find any evidence to support your claim they didn't know it was the father and they didn't know it was a doctor. Making claims you can't back up must make you very popular on here.


Not ignoring the quote. I am however pointing out that YOU moved the quotations marks.

Please feel free to quote my post where I claim that the nurse didn't know kennedy was the father or that they didn't know the doctor.


I'll wait.:cool:


still waiting :slap:

Trigg
10-17-2012, 04:44 PM
Still no one has shown how he endangered his child. He was charged with child endangerment, what specific act caused that charge to be leveled?


maybe kicking people while holding a new born and running down the stairs with said new born???????

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 05:08 PM
Still no one has shown how he endangered his child. He was charged with child endangerment, what specific act caused that charge to be leveled?

Leaving the hospital with a child without authorization to do so and without clearance. However much people want to think that since it's their child, that they can do as they please, doesn't make it correct. Staff tried to intervene. He fought or fought back rather than think of the child first, as staff was doing by trying to prevent him from leaving. Apparently the police felt there was enough for charges. And again, simply getting clearance and talking with the maternity ward first would have likely prevented all of this. Babies are generally in a room being overlooked and being protected, or a nurse brings them to Mom. A father is not supposed to take the baby from the room and go for a walk outside the maternity ward without clearance and the knowledge of the staff. If you can't understand that, tough shit, but I'm not answering any more stupid questions. I suggest you use google if you have more questions. This is a debate and discussion site, not Yahoo Answers.

fj1200
10-17-2012, 05:10 PM
Under pain of violent assault, arrest and charge?

When one resorts to assault? Yes.

007
10-17-2012, 05:12 PM
Leaving the hospital with a child without authorization to do so and without clearance. However much people want to think that since it's their child, that they can do as they please, doesn't make it correct. Staff tried to intervene. He fought or fought back rather than think of the child first, as staff was doing by trying to prevent him from leaving. Apparently the police felt there was enough for charges. And again, simply getting clearance and talking with the maternity ward first would have likely prevented all of this. Babies are generally in a room being overlooked and being protected, or a nurse brings them to Mom. A father is not supposed to take the baby from the room and go for a walk outside the maternity ward without clearance and the knowledge of the staff. If you can't understand that, tough shit, but I'm not answering any more stupid questions. I suggest you use google if you have more questions. This is a debate and discussion site, not Yahoo Answers.
The aggressive staff were not charged with anything, the dr who witnessed the whole incident said that the Nurses were the agressors.It is not child endangerment to take your child outside.
nor to run from 2 screeching crazies who are trying to snatch your child!

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 05:12 PM
The aggressive staff were not charged with anything, the dr who witnessed the whole incident said that the Nurses were the agressors.It is not child endangerment to take your child outside.
nor to run from 2 screeching crazies who are trying to snatch your child!

Oh well.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 05:13 PM
When one resorts to assault? Yes.

I can't believe he tried to commit grievous bodily harm by kicking her head off. And likely made terroristic threats to staff as well.

fj1200
10-17-2012, 05:15 PM
I can't believe he tried to commit grievous bodily harm by kicking her head off. And likely made terroristic threats to staff as well.

Kennedys do have a history of malevolence against women. It boggles my mind how one can defend an individual who clearly meant harm to everyone in the maternity ward. :shrug:

007
10-17-2012, 05:15 PM
When one resorts to assault? Yes.
If nurses assault that's fine though, union thugs are above the law?

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 05:16 PM
If nurses assault that's fine though, union thugs are above the law?

Of course they are.

fj1200
10-17-2012, 05:18 PM
If nurses assault that's fine though, union thugs are above the law?

Clearly your hero had no other intent than to draw the honorable nurses into an altercation and cause them bodily harm. He ignored universal rules and protocols about infant safety by attracting the attention of a Dr. who had no connection to the maternity ward and luring the unsuspecting sainted caregivers into an altercation and then commit his attempted murder. Well played Mr. Kennedy, well played.

007
10-17-2012, 06:16 PM
No federal, state or city law exists that makes it a crime to take your child for a walk.
kennedy broke no law.
He did not endanger his child, he did not harrass the two union thugs who attacked him and tried to snatch his child.
remember, "the nurses were the only Agressors"!

stick to cleaning bed pans and wiping ass, let parents do the right thing!

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 06:41 PM
No federal, state or city law exists that makes it a crime to take your child for a walk.
kennedy broke no law.
He did not endanger his child, he did not harrass the two union thugs who attacked him and tried to snatch his child.
remember, "the nurses were the only Agressors"!

stick to cleaning bed pans and wiping ass, let parents do the right thing!

I agree, hopefully the nurses will get the death penalty and the horrible liberal unions will get abolished. The union thugs should get severe fines and at least a year in prison. Hopefully this will serve as an example, and going forth people will be able to as they wish in hospitals and do away with those pesky protocols.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 06:50 PM
I sure hope this terrorizing of a woman, listed as 5'0 tall, gets all that is coming to her. How dare she approach him in the elevator and follow hospital protocol and ask him not to leave the hospital. The audacity to follow him to the stairwell while he once again tried to circumvent hospital protocol. And I can see what others were saying, it's as obvious as black and white that they were the aggressors and beat the crap out of him in this video.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/douglas-kennedy-arrrested-baby-westchester-RFK-son-140296403.html

007
10-17-2012, 08:10 PM
I sure hope this terrorizing of a woman, listed as 5'0 tall, gets all that is coming to her. How dare she approach him in the elevator and follow hospital protocol and ask him not to leave the hospital. The audacity to follow him to the stairwell while he once again tried to circumvent hospital protocol. And I can see what others were saying, it's as obvious as black and white that they were the aggressors and beat the crap out of him in this video.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/douglas-kennedy-arrrested-baby-westchester-RFK-son-140296403.html
Hospital protocol does not allow her to prevent him going through a door.
Does not allow her to charge, arms outstretched toward the child, attempting to snatch the child out of the fathers arms.
there is no crime in taking your child for a walk.
hospital protocol is bullshit.
it is not a crime to take your child for a walk!

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 08:13 PM
Hospital protocol does not allow her to prevent him going through a door.
Does not allow her to charge, arms outstretched toward the child, attempting to snatch the child out of the fathers arms.
there is no crime in taking your child for a walk.
hospital protocol is bullshit.
it is not a crime to take your child for a walk!

Agreed, shoot all of them I say.

007
10-17-2012, 08:25 PM
Agreed, shoot all of them I say.

Clearly you know on some level that I am right, that is why you feel the need to make jokes about the situation.

You cannot address any of the points I have raised.
I am right, you are wrong.
it is not a crime to take your child for a walk.
Hospital protocol is not a part of NY criminal code.

Trigg
10-17-2012, 08:31 PM
Clearly you know on some level that I am right, that is why you feel the need to make jokes about the situation.

You cannot address any of the points I have raised.
I am right, you are wrong.
it is not a crime to take your child for a walk.
Hospital protocol is not a part of NY criminal code.

:deadhorse:


Yep that's obviously the case.....on a deep level Jim actualy agrees with you. Are you related to truthmaters by any chance

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 08:36 PM
Clearly you know on some level that I am right, that is why you feel the need to make jokes about the situation.

You cannot address any of the points I have raised.
I am right, you are wrong.
it is not a crime to take your child for a walk.
Hospital protocol is not a part of NY criminal code.

No, no, you changed my mind, I'm with you all the way. The only crime committed here was by the amazonian woman who attacked Kennedy. She should be waterboarded, IMO. You are right, I am wrong.

007
10-17-2012, 08:39 PM
:deadhorse:


Yep that's obviously the case.....on a deep level Jim actualy agrees with you. Are you related to truthmaters by any chance
Who?
never heard of such a person.
fact is, hospital protocol is not NY criminal code.
That point you cannot argue.

007
10-17-2012, 08:42 PM
No, no, you changed my mind, I'm with you all the way. The only crime committed here was by the amazonian woman who attacked Kennedy. She should be waterboarded, IMO. You are right, I am wrong.
You cannot address the subject so you resort to mockery and abuse.
for you it's not about facts, it's about your hate for the Kennedy's or your hate for fox because of a fanatical liberal dogma.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 08:47 PM
You cannot address the subject so you resort to mockery and abuse.
for you it's not about facts, it's about your hate for the Kennedy's or your hate for fox because of a fanatical liberal dogma.

I hate Fox and I've been a liberal all of my life. Ted Kennedy was one of my heroes. I don't know if I'm a fanatic, but I support liberal ways and unions.

007
10-17-2012, 08:53 PM
So it's ignore the facts and allow your prejudices to drive your opinions.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 09:00 PM
So it's ignore the facts and allow your prejudices to drive your opinions.

I'm a fair liberal, I just know that unions are great for us and that the system is infallible.

007
10-17-2012, 09:20 PM
Jimmy c and his abusive rep messages!!
never mind his insults and abuse in posts.
Bit hypocritical considering his post in the 'fighting' thread'!

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 09:22 PM
Jimmy c and his abusive rep messages!!
never mind his insults and abuse in posts.
Bit hypocritical considering his post in the 'fighting' thread'!

Nope, I very, very, very rarely give out neg reps. But I will if someone is especially deserving. I'm sorry you think I'm abusive towards you. You'll survive.

jimnyc
10-17-2012, 09:31 PM
/thread

Abbey
10-18-2012, 09:35 AM
I hate Fox and I've been a liberal all of my life. Ted Kennedy was one of my heroes. I don't know if I'm a fanatic, but I support liberal ways and unions.

:lmao: