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Larrymc
12-04-2012, 08:46 PM
I think My "The Only Thing That Should Trump Our Freedom" Post could solve this issue


John W. Whitehead (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead)

Attorney and Author


Is High-tech Surveillance in Schools a Security Need or a Money Scam?

Posted: 12/04/2012 4:21 pm

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RFID Tags (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/rfid-tags), Andrea-Hernandez (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/andrea-hernandez), Fourth Amendment (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/fourth-amendment), Identification (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/identification), Palm Reader (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/palm-reader), Public Schools (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/public-schools), San Antonio (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/san-antonio), Surveillance (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/surveillance), Education News (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/education)





"I would say there is a school-to-prison pipeline, but there is also a prison-to-school pipeline. [The use of security hardware (cameras, metal detectors and retina detectors) and the practice of treating students as suspects are strategies of the criminal justice system, and they have been flowing into the schools.] It's like a two-way street, a two-way system that mixes the educational and criminal justice systems. The end result is that we have schools in which the learning environment has been degraded and undermined because we are teaching kids to fear and feel that they are suspects at any particular time. Educators talk about the teachable moments. Unfortunately, public fear of kids, public hysteria around another Columbine, has prevented people from remembering that the mission of public schools is to educate." -- Annette Fuentes, author of Lockdown High: When the Schoolhouse Becomes a Jail House (https://www.wdhstore.com/hispanic/data/pdf/july11-school.pdf)
The battle playing out in San Antonio, Texas, over one student's refusal to comply with a public school campaign to microchip students has nothing to do with security concerns and even less to do with academic priorities. What is driving this particular program, which requires students to carry "smart" identification cards embedded with Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) tracking devices, is money, pure and simple -- or to put it more bluntly, this program is yet another example of the nefarious collusion between government bureaucracy and corporate America (http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2005/02/66554), a way for government officials to dance to the tune of the corporate state, while unhesitatingly selling students to the highest bidder.

Oblivious to the impact on students' fundamental rights, school officials with the Northside Independent School District (NISD) in San Antonio, Texas, have embarked upon a crusade to foist ID badges embedded with RFID tags (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/school-id-tracking-chips-_n_1861049.html) on about 4,200 students at Jay High School and Jones Middle School. These tags produce a radio signal that is tied to the students' Social Security numbers (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension/), allowing the wearer's precise movements to be constantly monitored (http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/wear-radio-chip-or-leave-school-tells-students/). Although the school district already boasts 290 surveillance cameras (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/rfid-chip-student-monitoring/), the cards which the students are required to wear will make it possible for school officials to track students' whereabouts at all times. Teachers are even requiring students to wear the IDs when they want to use the bathroom (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/texas-school-district-rep_n_1949415.html?utm_hp_ref=teen). NISD officials plan to eventually expand the $500,000 program (http://www.ksat.com/news/NISD-student-ID-cards-cause-microchip-controversy/-/478452/16281066/-/n8kaaf/-/index.html) to the district's 112 schools, with a student population of 100,000 (http://www.nisd.net/studentlocator/).
Hoping to achieve full student compliance with the profit-driven Student Locator Project (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/school-id-tracking-chips-_n_1861049.html), school officials have actually gone so far as to offer gift cards, pizza parties and raffle prizes to classes with the highest ID badge participation rates. By any other name, you would call this bribery. No such rewards, however, await the students like 15-year-old Andrea Hernandez who resist the program on principle. Since voicing her objection to the program on religious grounds, Andrea has been stigmatized, penalized and discriminated against (https://rt.com/usa/news/texas-school-id-hernandez-033/). Those who, like Andrea Hernandez, refuse to wear the SmartID badge will also be forced to stand in separate lunch lines, denied participation in student government and activities, and prohibited from making certain commercial exchanges at school.
School officials at Jay High School reportedly offered to quietly remove the tracking chip (http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/wear-radio-chip-or-leave-school-tells-students/) from Andrea Hernandez's card if the sophomore would agree to wear the new ID, stop criticizing the program and publicly support the initiative. Andrea refused on principle, because she believes wearing the chipless Student Locator ID badge would signal that she endorses a program that not only violates her conscience but also runs afoul of her constitutional rights. As a result, Andrea now faces expulsion for refusing to participate in the school's money-making scheme. (The parallels to another so-called "necessary" taxpayer-funded program, full-body x-ray scanners in airports, are evident. Of course, those scanners, which are now being relegated to a moldering Texas warehouse, turned out to be little more than a pointless yet costly means of enriching the security industrial complex.)
Just to be clear, these tracking devices are not being employed to prevent students from cutting classes or foster better academics. It's a money game. Using the devices to account for the students' whereabouts on campus, whether in class or not (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension/), school administrators can "count" students as being "in school" and thereby qualify for up to $1.7 million in funding (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/school-id-tracking-chips-_n_1861049.html) from the state government. As Pascual Gonzalez, Northside's communications director, explains (http://dailynightly.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/14/14425733-rfid-chips-let-schools-track-students-and-retain-funding-but-some-parents-object?lite), "The revenues that are generated by locating kids who are not in their chairs to answer 'present,' but are in the building -- in the counselor's office, in the cafeteria, in the hallway, in the gym -- if we can show they were, in fact, in school, then we can count them present."
While this Student Locator program is not yet widespread, it's only a matter of time before we see more students facing the same struggle. Other student tracking programs are currently being tested (http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/kids-tagged-rfid-chips-creepy-new-technology-schools-use-track-everything-kids-do?page=0%2C0) in Baltimore, Anaheim, Houston, and the Palos Heights School District near Chicago. Some cities already have fully implemented programs, including Houston, Texas, which began using RFID chips to track students as early as 2004 (http://www.salon.com/2012/10/08/big_brother_invades_our_classrooms/). Preschoolers in Richmond, Calif., have been tagged with RFID chips (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension/) since 2010.
Attempts to impose these tracking chips on unsuspecting young people have not gone wholly unchallenged. For example, in 2005 a school district in Sutter, Calif., was forced to abandon (http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2005/02/66554) their RFID project after a backlash from the community. In 2008, an RFID proposal concerning school buses in Rhode Island (http://www.eschoolnews.com/2008/05/20/study-probes-rfid-use-in-schools/) was abandoned after parent objections.
Unfortunately, while parents and students have fought back in some instances, they have yet to discourage the financial interest of the security industrial complex, which has set its sights on the schools as "a vast, rich market" -- a $20 billion market (http://www.maxeternity.com/?p=2077), no less -- just waiting to be conquered. Indeed, corporations stand to make a great deal of money if RFID tracking becomes the norm across the country. A variety of companies, including AIM Truancy Solutions, ID Card Group and Datacard, already market and sell RFID trackers to school districts throughout the country, and with big names such as AT&T and IBM entering the market (http://www.rfidtags.com/manufacturer-directory), the pressure on school districts to adopt these systems and ensure compliance will only increase (http://www.salon.com/2012/10/08/big_brother_invades_our_classrooms/).
In fact, corporations are going to great lengths to secure their profits by discouraging government officials from allowing students to opt out of RFID programs. In 2011, the Texas legislature considered a bill (http://legiscan.com/gaits/text/126299) that would have prohibited "certain mandatory student identification methods," limiting schools to only an opt-in method of student identification, qualified with the permission of a student's parent or guardian. Michael Wade, representing Wade Garcia & Associates, a consulting firm responsible for installing the technology in the Northside school district (http://www.nisd.net/studentlocator/faq), testified against the bill, protesting specifically against the opt-out policy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWhtTjKRkzg&feature=plcp). The bill died in committee.
RFID is only one aspect of what is an emerging industry in tracking, spying, and identification devices. For example, schools in Pinellas County, Fla., now use palm-reading devices (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/25/palm-scanners-technology-schools/1726175/) to allow children to purchase lunch. The reader takes an infrared picture of the palm's vein structure, and then matches that information with the child's identity. Fifty-thousand students in the county are using the readers, and another 60,000 are expected to soon join the program. Palm-scanning identification devices are spreading to hospitals and schools (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/25/palm-scanners-technology-schools/1726175/) across the country, and can be found in over 50 school systems and 160 hospital systems, spanning 15 states and Washington, DC.
Due in large part to the technological and profit-driven collusion between government and big business, every aspect of our society, from schooling, to banking, to shopping, to healthcare is becoming increasingly automated and surveillance oriented. RFID tags, for example, are expected to replace bar code scanning in retail goods, and they are already found in American passports (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension/). Palm scanning is likely to enter other industries (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/25/palm-scanners-technology-schools/1726175/) that rely on identification, including retail, banking, and cloud computing. There are already palm-reading ATMs (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/25/palm-scanners-technology-schools/1726175/) in Japan.
Without strong safeguards for privacy now, it will not be long before these technologies -- sold to us as being for our good and aimed at making our lives safer, easier and more efficient -- will come to dominate every aspect of our lives. And those who resist, like young Andrea Hernandez, will be cut off from basic goods and services and treated like second-class citizens.
We are generally taught to fear the stock images of tyranny: the jackboots in marching formation, the jail cell door, the batons cracking down on innocent skulls. Yet while we should be vigilant against these injustices, most are wholly unaware of the invasive technologies which are slowly spreading across America: the tyranny of radio waves and WiFi signals, infrared cameras, biometric scanners and GPS tracking devices, among many others.
These tendrils of the corporate surveillance-state are slowly coming to control all our daily interactions, and our nation's public schools are merely the forefront of a movement to completely automate all human interaction and ensure that no one is able to escape the prying eyes of government officials and their corporate partners.



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gabosaurus
12-04-2012, 11:48 PM
It's an endless circle:
When crimes occur in schools, parents complain that there isn't enough security.
When security features are installed, parents complain that their kids are being treated like criminals.

There was an instance where a kid brought a gun to school in his backpack and threatened another kid. Parents wanted searches and metal detectors.
Random searches were started and caught a kid with a knife. Parent complained that their child's privacy was violated.

Our school system has a strict dress code, security cameras everywhere and a district police force present at every campus. Every vehicle and every person who enters a campus is subject to search. We also have metal detectors and drug dogs available for use.
We have less privacy and a safer school system.

Kathianne
12-04-2012, 11:55 PM
I can't bother reading the first post, no spaces. Sorry, just don't do.

Then there's a Gabby post following, haven't a clue if it's on topic or not.

gabosaurus
12-04-2012, 11:58 PM
I can't bother reading the first post, no spaces. Sorry, just don't do.

Then there's a Gabby post following, haven't a clue if it's on topic or not.

Unfortunately, I read most of the original post. It is just as loony and crackpot as most of Larry's posts.
This one believes security in schools in a waste of taxpayer money. And that mistrusting students turns them into criminals. yaddayaddayadda

Larrymc
12-05-2012, 12:01 AM
It's an endless circle:
When crimes occur in schools, parents complain that there isn't enough security.
When security features are installed, parents complain that their kids are being treated like criminals.

There was an instance where a kid brought a gun to school in his backpack and threatened another kid. Parents wanted searches and metal detectors.
Random searches were started and caught a kid with a knife. Parent complained that their child's privacy was violated.

Our school system has a strict dress code, security cameras everywhere and a district police force present at every campus. Every vehicle and every person who enters a campus is subject to search. We also have metal detectors and drug dogs available for use.
We have less privacy and a safer school system.its the nature of society today, you can't step on some body's Freedom, to incest that people be responsible, so the answer Keep Putting band aids on it, our Freedom has become our enemy in some respects, the way people twist it to suite.

gabosaurus
12-05-2012, 12:05 AM
its the nature of society today, you can't step on some body's Freedom, to incest that people be responsible, so the answer Keep Putting band aids on it, our Freedom has become our enemy in some respects, the way people twist it to suite.

First of all, you can incest as many people as you want, but your opinion will remain incredibly misguided.
I have been known to twist it a lot in my suite. But I was much younger then. :rolleyes:

Larrymc
12-05-2012, 12:42 AM
First of all, you can incest as many people as you want, but your opinion will remain incredibly misguided.
I have been known to twist it a lot in my suite. But I was much younger then. :rolleyes:i sorry i raddled your cage i didn't realize your one of those flakes that think, security like a Prison at our Schools is progress,

fj1200
12-05-2012, 01:46 PM
I think My "The Only Thing That Should Trump Our Freedom" Post could solve this issue

So your plan to fight our limitations on freedom is to institute limitations on freedom?

MtnBiker
12-05-2012, 02:36 PM
I interrupt this thread for the following public service announcement;

<O:p</O:pTo ensure better grammar and spelling, it is possible to type posts in a word processor program. Then copy and paste your post on Debate Policy.
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That is all, please resume discussion.

This is not meant to raddle anyone.

Larrymc
12-05-2012, 02:51 PM
So your plan to fight our limitations on freedom is to institute limitations on freedom?yes as i have said when our Freedom undermines Traditional and Family values, it has become our Enemy, i know your liberal mind can't comprehend putting such things as Children and Family a head of your agenda, but yes as i said i think those should even trump our Freedom

fj1200
12-05-2012, 03:01 PM
yes as i have said when our Freedom undermines Traditional and Family values, it has become our Enemy, i know your liberal mind can't comprehend putting such things as Children and Family a head of your agenda, but yes as i said i think those should even trump our Freedom

Yes, yes, my mythical liberal mind. Have you detailed your proposal yet in the other thread?

Larrymc
12-05-2012, 03:11 PM
I interrupt this thread for the following public service announcement;

<o:p</oTo ensure better grammar and spelling, it is possible to type posts in a word processor program. Then copy and paste your post on Debate Policy.
<o:p</o
That is all, please resume discussion.

This is not meant to raddle anyone.I thought the info would be useful, the Children in my life are important so i read it as is, but if copy and past somehow insults your intelligence, then you have company, we have i think someone called her an educator she to, is incapable of lowering her standards , enough to read any thing that's not spaced to suite her, but if bad grammar and punctuation is something you can't tolerate, you might want to just pass on this site

MtnBiker
12-05-2012, 03:22 PM
I thought the info would be useful, the Children in my life are important so i read it as is, but if copy and past somehow insults your intelligence, then you have company, we have i think someone called her an educator she to, is incapable of lowering her standards , enough to read any thing that's not spaced to suite her, but if bad grammar and punctuation is something you can't tolerate, you might want to just pass on this site


I am just trying to offer some helpful advice.

Typing "incest", when you likely meant "insist" is confusing. Those are two very different words with two very different meanings. Arguing your postion will be much more clear and have better influence if done properly.

Larrymc
12-05-2012, 03:30 PM
I am just trying to offer some helpful advice.

Typing "incest", when you likely meant "insist" is confusing. Those are two very different words with two very different meanings. Arguing your postion will be much more clear and have better influence if done properly.i admit my grammar is bad, so if you are incapable of discerning the proper word by the rest of the sentence i suggest you skip my post, to save your self the stress. by the way "postion" did you mean position

Larrymc
12-05-2012, 03:34 PM
Yes, yes, my mythical liberal mind. Have you detailed your proposal yet in the other thread?Yes its hidden in the tittle, but you may never get it, it takes common sense

Kathianne
12-05-2012, 03:55 PM
I interrupt this thread for the following public service announcement;

<o>:p</o>:pTo ensure better grammar and spelling, it is possible to type posts in a word processor program. Then copy and paste your post on Debate Policy.
<o>:p</o>:p
That is all, please resume discussion.

This is not meant to raddle anyone.

I'll raddle you!

Kathianne
12-05-2012, 04:01 PM
Unfortunately, I read most of the original post. It is just as loony and crackpot as most of Larry's posts.
This one believes security in schools in a waste of taxpayer money. And that mistrusting students turns them into criminals. yaddayaddayadda

Well NOT having security in the schools brought us Laurie Dann.

As for 'mistrusting' I guess I was guilty today. Teacher left lesson plan for Sophomore lower LA class: Free read choice book. Write down names of kids who don't have book or go to sleep. :rolleyes: You can give them a pass to library. So two boys went to library at 1:35, return at 2:10-class ends at 2:15. "Where's the pass?" "Huh?" "I need the pass, you know, where the librarian writes down when you left there?" "Uh..." "Your choice, get pass from librarian or you may go to Dean now."

Came back with pass, "1:45 stamped" They had to go to the dean anyways. LOL!

MtnBiker
12-05-2012, 04:15 PM
i admit my grammar is bad, so if you are incapable of discerning the proper word by the rest of the sentence i suggest you skip my post, to save your self the stress. by the way "postion" did you mean position

Yes, position. Thanks for the correction.

jimnyc
12-05-2012, 04:15 PM
Yes, position. Thanks for the correction.

Did you mean correction or erection? :laugh: :coffee:

MtnBiker
12-05-2012, 04:17 PM
Did you mean correction or erection? :laugh: :coffee:

Holy Hell, that's funny.





BTW, shoot me if I ever have to thank Larrymc for an erection.

jimnyc
12-05-2012, 04:26 PM
Holy Hell, that's funny.





BTW, shoot me if I ever have to thank Larrymc for an erection.

Reminds me of an old Sam Kinison skit

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Larrymc
12-05-2012, 05:35 PM
Well NOT having security in the schools brought us Laurie Dann.

As for 'mistrusting' I guess I was guilty today. Teacher left lesson plan for Sophomore lower LA class: Free read choice book. Write down names of kids who don't have book or go to sleep. :rolleyes: You can give them a pass to library. So two boys went to library at 1:35, return at 2:10-class ends at 2:15. "Where's the pass?" "Huh?" "I need the pass, you know, where the librarian writes down when you left there?" "Uh..." "Your choice, get pass from librarian or you may go to Dean now."

Came back with pass, "1:45 stamped" They had to go to the dean anyways. LOL!Well it seems stupid to me to just keep taking peoples Freedoms in the name of safety, when the real issue is irresponsibility , if were going to suppress peoples freedoms why not do it in a way that gives incentives to be more responsible, which would carry over in all areas of society, only a fool would competently trust kids to make the right chooses, when the adults around them are not responsible, but if your as liberal as gabby then the artificial, has no interest for you.

Abbey Marie
12-05-2012, 05:38 PM
It's an endless circle:
When crimes occur in schools, parents complain that there isn't enough security.
When security features are installed, parents complain that their kids are being treated like criminals.

There was an instance where a kid brought a gun to school in his backpack and threatened another kid. Parents wanted searches and metal detectors.
Random searches were started and caught a kid with a knife. Parent complained that their child's privacy was violated.

Our school system has a strict dress code, security cameras everywhere and a district police force present at every campus. Every vehicle and every person who enters a campus is subject to search. We also have metal detectors and drug dogs available for use.
We have less privacy and a safer school system.

You raise a good point. It is a bit of a conundrum. But if the person complaining is the parent of the one who was carrying the knife, I'd say discount it as a conflict of interest. The parents of the well-behaved kids trying to learn, are less likely to have a problem with security measures. And the bottom line is, the school district has to protect itself from lawsuits for injuries, right?

Kathianne
12-05-2012, 06:07 PM
Well it seems stupid to me to just keep taking peoples Freedoms in the name of safety, when the real issue is irresponsibility , if were going to suppress peoples freedoms why not do it in a way that gives incentives to be more responsible, which would carry over in all areas of society, only a fool would competently trust kids to make the right chooses, when the adults around them are not responsible, but if your as liberal as gabby then the artificial, has no interest for you.

Grammar aside, what did you think of my problem today as a substitute teacher with two boys that chose to try and push the envelope?

I'll tell you my pov, the teacher's lesson plan sucked for this group. That was my problem.

That two kids 'went to the library' for most of the period, while in reality wandering the halls, most likely disturbing other classes? If I chose to, I could have just let it go. I could have been out of my last class like a shot. Instead, had to write referrals to dean and deal with buses leaving at same time.

What made me bother? Well it's more than likely I'll have these boys again, after serving detentions they will either decide to make life difficult for me and themselves, or realize their antics aren't likely to play out well and conform to the rules.

Larrymc
12-05-2012, 06:23 PM
Grammar aside, what did you think of my problem today as a substitute teacher with two boys that chose to try and push the envelope?

I'll tell you my pov, the teacher's lesson plan sucked for this group. That was my problem.

That two kids 'went to the library' for most of the period, while in reality wandering the halls, most likely disturbing other classes? If I chose to, I could have just let it go. I could have been out of my last class like a shot. Instead, had to write referrals to dean and deal with buses leaving at same time.

What made me bother? Well it's more than likely I'll have these boys again, after serving detentions they will either decide to make life difficult for me and themselves, or realize their antics aren't likely to play out well and conform to the rules.i think its funny that you caught them, kids will keep you on your toes trying to beat the system, and you shouldn't let it slide, there's a good chance that happens to much is why they did it any way, i didn't know your were working with college kids, that's a whole different situation, from grade school when it comes to security, there young adults just getting away from parents,

Kathianne
12-05-2012, 07:13 PM
i think its funny that you caught them, kids will keep you on your toes trying to beat the system, and you shouldn't let it slide, there's a good chance that happens to much is why they did it any way, i didn't know your were working with college kids, that's a whole different situation, from grade school when it comes to security, there young adults just getting away from parents,

This was high school. Sophomores, perhaps my first post wasn't clear?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Grammar aside, what did you think of my problem today as a substitute teacher with two boys that chose to try and push the envelope?

I'll tell you my pov, the teacher's lesson plan sucked for this group. That was my problem.

That two kids 'went to the library' for most of the period, while in reality wandering the halls, most likely disturbing other classes? If I chose to, I could have just let it go. I could have been out of my last class like a shot. Instead, had to write referrals to dean and deal with buses leaving at same time.

What made me bother? Well it's more than likely I'll have these boys again, after serving detentions they will either decide to make life difficult for me and themselves, or realize their antics aren't likely to play out well and conform to the rules.

Bravo--:clap:
You did the right thing and not only was it right for those kids but it was right and honorable for you to practice your high standards even if it did cost you a bit of time. That is you living your principles and surely something to be proud of IMHO.-Tyr

fj1200
12-06-2012, 09:39 AM
Yes its hidden in the tittle, but you may never get it, it takes common sense

Vague definitions and platitudes do not a proposal make.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-06-2012, 09:49 AM
Vague definitions and platitudes do not a proposal make.

WISE WORDS IF SPOKEN TO OBAMA. Did you send 'em to obama??-;)

fj1200
12-06-2012, 09:51 AM
WISE WORDS IF SPOKEN TO OBAMA. Did you send 'em to obama??-;)

Wise words apply to all. So yes, they were wise, thank you. :poke:

I suspect that BO would not take them to heart though.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-06-2012, 10:05 AM
Wise words apply to all. So yes, they were wise, thank you. :poke:

I suspect that BO would not take them to heart though.

Which is why I asked the question.. However you arent too swift if you suspect bamboy would take them to heart when everything he has done and most of what he promotes indicates exactly the opposite.
Your faith in his abilty and his intelligence is way off base.
Were you realistic about the lying arrogant bastard you'd know that.. -Tyr

fj1200
12-06-2012, 10:09 AM
Which is why I asked the question.. However you arent too swift if you suspect bamboy would take them to heart when everything he has done and most of what he promotes indicates exactly the opposite.

Thank you for acknowledging my clear intelligence.

I suspect that BO would not take them to heart though.


Your faith in his abilty and his intelligence is way off base.
Were you realistic about the lying arrogant bastard you'd know that.. -Tyr

Where have I demonstrated I have faith in his "ability and intelligence"?

Kathianne
12-06-2012, 05:07 PM
i think its funny that you caught them, kids will keep you on your toes trying to beat the system, and you shouldn't let it slide, there's a good chance that happens to much is why they did it any way, i didn't know your were working with college kids, that's a whole different situation, from grade school when it comes to security, there young adults just getting away from parents,

LOL! Not that difficult. From the get-go one knows they 'don't like to read' or they'd be in 'average class.' Knowing that, they have a certain type of book they always go for; might be sports, biographies, thrillers, etc.

Even with 2 boys, should have been 15 minutes tops, out of the room. Being compassionate, they ran into friends? Add 5-10 min. After that? Wandering.

Robert A Whit
12-06-2012, 05:34 PM
My step dad was a great human being. And he got a scholarship to play football for the University of Utah way back in the 1920s. But he got a high paying job and a chance to go to Alaska and never looked back.

Anyway, this is about his spelling and grammar.

I could barely make out what he wrote down. A loaf of bread might look this way.

"A lof uf Bred."

Dad spelled words like they sounded. I don't know what he spelled like in high school but saw a lot of his writing as I grew up.

Soem of us pick on posters for grammar. I try not to. I can do a lot better if I was writing a college paper or for the government.

I don't particularly like to slow down my typing to get it 100 percent correct. I can type well over 100 words per minute and at that speed I do once in a while hit a key wrong. I try to do a bit of proof reading. I can use a processing program and at times do. But why not have fun and lay off the grammar cops stuff.