Quar'an supports honor killing and torture

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VndVKTiLqA

(waiting for Jahil to tell us all the Quar'an in the video is wrong, and is therefore not Islamic)

[aboutime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VndVKTiLqA

(waiting for Jahil to tell us all the Quar'an in the video is wrong, and is therefore not Islamic)



Marcus. We all know. jafar will come up with another lie, I prefer to call Excuses to defend that. But the chances of him going against those words are almost as good as ME becoming President of the United States on January 20th.

[Drummond]

I've just posted this on another thread. It apparently belongs here, too ...

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm


Most Muslim apologists and also some gullible westerners want to argue that the ‘so called “honor killing” is not Islamic and it’s a tribal/cultural vice.’ This statement is utterly untrue and only a wish full covers up. It’s true that in pre-Islamic Arab culture this heinous honor killing of women did exist; likewise, many other uncivilized practices like stoning, flogging, beheading, slavery etc also existed in the pre-Islamic Arab society. But Islam did incorporate entirely most of these inhumane/uncivilized practices of pagan society, which they now call them Allah’s laws.

Had it been the tribal/cultural practice, ‘honor killing’ would exist amongst the Arabs only. But honor killing does happen amongst the non-Arab Muslims also. Also Arabs belonged to all religions (Muslims, Christians, Jews, Bhai etc.) would practice honor killing with equal prevalence. Fact of the matter is—no Arab Christians, Jews or Bahai etc do practice this uncivilized act at all. Only Arab Muslims do practice this heinous act with a regular pattern.

Honor killing does happen only amongst the Muslims and these honor killings get support and encouragement from the ethical teachings of religion Islam. In 1986 this kind of honor killing did happen in the United States of America in an Arab Muslim family. In 2003 honor killing happened in Sweden again in a Muslim family. However, some very rare, sporadic case of such killing might have happened in other society or people of other religion. But they are no where near to compare with the regular pattern, or routine feature of honor killings which do happen in the Muslim nations that I have mentioned. It has been reported that in Pakistan and in Jordan several hundreds of “honor killings” do happen every year. Perhaps, it will be more plausible to name this so called ‘honor’ as the “Islamic honor”, which Muslims stupendously try to save by killing their love one!


Dictums of Quran and Hadiths which may dictate/incite honor killing:

Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”

Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”

Quran-17:32 “ Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).

Quran-33:33 “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display.”

Now some sahih hadiths:

Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)


Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”

Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”

Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65:
Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say, ‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession."

Al-Bukhari:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”.

Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”.

Al-Bayhaqi:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O mankind! Beware of fornication/adultery for it entails six dire consequences: three of them relating to this world and three to the next world. As for the three that are related to this world, they are the following: it removes the glow of one’s face, brings poverty, and reduces the life-span. As for its dire consequences in the next world they are: it brings down the wrath of Allah upon the person, subjects him to terrible reckoning, and finally casts him in hell-fire.”

The above Quranic verses and authentic sahih hadiths clearly demonstrate beyond doubt that Prophet Muhammad, under Allah’s direction, stoned adulterers to death and flogged fornicators. Allah’s decree/choice of death for fornicators (Quran: 4:15) and flogging adulteress 100 times with no mercy (Quran: 24:2, which also could lead to certain death) has clearly sanctioned/dictated dreadful punishment for sexual intercourse outside marriage. It is from these scriptural divine spirits Iranian fundamentalist Islamic government practices stoning and flogging adulterers even today.

[jafar00]

Equating the story of Khidr and Moses with honour killing and torture is confusing me somewhat. This story is one of the many challenges of faith that Moses faced in his life. I fail to see how it supports honour killing or torture.

[jafar00]

I've just posted this on another thread. It apparently belongs here, too ...

That is all about adultery, not honour killing. The mind boggles.

[darin]

Lots of places in the Bible can be interpreted to be terrible. God killed thousands throughout recorded biblical history...

[Marcus Aurelius]

Equating the story of Khidr and Moses with honour killing and torture is confusing me somewhat. This story is one of the many challenges of faith that Moses faced in his life. I fail to see how it supports honour killing or torture.

And the spin continues from Jahil. Typical.

[Drummond]

That is all about adultery, not honour killing. The mind boggles.

Jafar, please, don't be tiresome. The link, and text taken from it, are perfectly clear about what it is that's being addressed. My advice .. go back and read it. And reread, until such time as you actually get what's being said !!!

[Marcus Aurelius]

Jafar, please, don't be tiresome. The link, and text taken from it, are perfectly clear about what it is that's being addressed. My advice .. go back and read it. And reread, until such time as you actually get what's being said !!!

12th of never comes to mind.

[aboutime]

12th of never comes to mind.


Comprehension skills are in question for jafar. But then. Consider who he MUST support, and follow as the SOLE source of his hate.

[jafar00]

Jafar, please, don't be tiresome. The link, and text taken from it, are perfectly clear about what it is that's being addressed. My advice .. go back and read it. And reread, until such time as you actually get what's being said !!!

I did read it and your article is chock full of errors, lies and half truths.

This claim for example...


Fact of the matter is—no Arab Christians, Jews or Bahai etc do practice this uncivilized act at all.

... can be blown apart by a simple google search...


Three Coptic brothers accused of killing sister, her husband and child for converting to Islam (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/10609/Egypt/Politics-/Three-Coptic-brothers-accused-of-killing-sister,-h.aspx)Three Coptic brothers are arrested on suspicion of murdering their sister, her husband and five-year-old son, allegedly as punishment for her conversion to Islam.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/04/three-coptic-brothers-accused-of-killing-sister-her-husband-and-child-for-converting-to-islam/

I stand by the fact that the verses and hadiths quoted in your article pertain to Adultery and not honour killing which can be dealt with by existing laws forbidding murder which is what this honour killing actually is.

[aboutime]

I did read it and your article is chock full of errors, lies and half truths.

This claim for example...



... can be blown apart by a simple google search...


http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/04/three-coptic-brothers-accused-of-killing-sister-her-husband-and-child-for-converting-to-islam/

I stand by the fact that the verses and hadiths quoted in your article pertain to Adultery and not honour killing which can be dealt with by existing laws forbidding murder which is what this honour killing actually is.

Oh, no! Now we are forced to listen to the False Prophet place values, or relative points on the methods used, or referred to in Murder. Never admitting. No matter what the method. The VICTIMS eventually become DEAD, no matter what manner was used, or authorized by Islam.
So. What we are hearing from jafar is nothing more than another EXCUSE, or attempted distraction. HOW LIBERAL CAN YOU GET?

[Marcus Aurelius]

I did read it and your article is chock full of errors, lies and half truths.

This claim for example...

Three Coptic brothers accused of killing sister, her husband and child for converting to Islam (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/10609/Egypt/Politics-/Three-Coptic-brothers-accused-of-killing-sister,-h.aspx)

Three Coptic brothers are arrested on suspicion of murdering their sister, her husband and five-year-old son, allegedly as punishment for her conversion to Islam. http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/04/thr...ting-to-islam/ (http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/04/three-coptic-brothers-accused-of-killing-sister-her-husband-and-child-for-converting-to-islam/)

I stand by the fact that the verses and hadiths quoted in your article pertain to Adultery and not honour killing which can be dealt with by existing laws forbidding murder which is what this honour killing actually is.

LOONWATCH? THAT is your source? ROFLMFAO!

It's a fucking blog, you dumb-ass pedophile worshiping buffoon. They don't even cite their sources... yet YOU take it as truth.

You're a hopeless fool.

[aboutime]

LOONWATCH? THAT is your source? ROFLMFAO!

It's a fucking blog, you dumb-ass pedophile worshiping buffoon. They don't even cite their sources... yet YOU take it as truth.

You're a hopeless fool.


Marcus. I have to thank him again for the laughs. Imagine that. Documented LoonyTunes from Loonwatch, and we're expected to believe it?
:clap::laugh:

[avatar4321]

How is telling Jafar how evil you think his faith is going to produce anything of value and goodness? If you think he is incorrect, wouldn't it be wiser to try to persuade him that your viewpoint is correct?