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Little-Acorn
12-31-2012, 01:10 PM
Even now, the paranoid gun-haters are readying more so-called "gun control" legislation, taking advantage of the shock and fear created by 20 first-grade children and six adults murderered by an insane criminal in Connecticut.

Never mind that similar legislation in the past, has failed every time it's been tried, and that the murders have gone right on.

"Gun Control". It's not about guns. It's about control.

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http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2012/12/30/the-assault-weapons-ban-didnt-work-then-and-it-wont-work-now-n1476009/page/full/

The Assault Weapons Ban Didn’t Work Then and It Won’t Work Now

by Doug Giles
Dec 30, 2012

Senator Dianne Feinstein is queuing up come January 2013 to retable—yet again—an Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) in order to “severely mitigate the possibilities of another Sandy Hook atrocity.”

Great idea, Dianne, as the first AWB that Clinton signed into law worked wonders in schools from 1994-2004. It was awesome. It panned out wonderfully aside from the following:

* November 7, 1994: Wickliffe, Ohio: (Wickliffe Middle School shooting) Keith Ledeger, 37, a former student at the school, shot and killed custodian Pete Christopher and wounded four other adults.

* January 12, 1995: Seattle, Washington: A 15-year-old Garfield High School student left school during the day and returned with his grandfather’s 9mm semiautomatic handgun. He wounded two students.

* October 12, 1995: Blackville, South Carolina: (Blackville-Hilda High School shooting) Anthony Sincino, 16, killed one teacher and wounded another before committing suicide.

* November 15, 1995: Lynnville, Tennessee: (Richland High School shooting) James Rouse, 17, killed a student and teacher and seriously wounded another teacher with a .22-caliber rifle.

* February 2, 1996: Moses Lake, Washington: (Frontier Middle School shooting) Barry Loukaitis, 14, killed a teacher and two students and wounded another student when he opened fire on his algebra class.

* August 15, 1996: San Diego, California: (San Diego State University shooting) Frederick Martin Davidson, a 36-year-old graduate student killed three professors that he believed were involved in a conspiracy against him.

* September 17, 1996: State College, Pennsylvania: (Hetzel Union Building shooting) Jillian Robbins, 19, shoots and kills one student and injures two outside.

* February 19, 1997: Bethel, Alaska: Bethel Regional High School student Evan Ramsey, 16, shot and killed the school’s principal and one student, and wounded two other students.

* October 1, 1997: Pearl, Mississippi: (Pearl High School shooting) Luke Woodham, 16, murdered his mother at home before killing his ex-girlfriend and another student and wounding seven others at Pearl High School. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.

* November 27, 1997: West Palm Beach, Florida: Conniston Middle School student Tronneal Magnum, 14, fatally shot Johnpierre Kamel, 14, outside school after an argument over a wristwatch.

* December 1, 1997: West Paducah, Kentucky: (Heath High School shooting) Three students were killed and five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle.

* December 15, 1997: Stamps, Arkansas: Joseph “Colt” Todd, 14, concealed in a wooded area on school grounds, shoots and wounds two students as they were entering Stamps High School.

* March 24, 1998: Craighead County, Arkansas: Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, killed four students and one teacher and wounded ten others as Westside Middle School emptied during a fire alarm intentionally set off by Golden.

* April 24, 1998: Edinboro, Pennsylvania (Parker Middle School dance shooting) Andrew Wurst, 14, fatally shot teacher John Gillette, 48, and wounded two students and a teacher at an 8th grade graduation dance.

* May 19, 1998: Fayetteville, Tennessee: Jacob Davis, 18, shoots Robert Creson, 18, in a dispute over a girl.

* May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon: After killing his parents at home, Kip Kinkel, 15, drove to Thurston High School where he shot and killed two students and wounded 25 others.

* June 15, 1998: Richmond, Virginia: A 14-year-old student of Armstrong High School wounds a teacher and a school volunteer.

* December 10, 1998: Detroit, Michigan: Professor Andrzej Olbrot is killed by graduate student Wlodzimierz Dedecjus, 48.

* April 20, 1999: Littleton, Colorado: (Columbine High School massacre) Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, killed 12 students and one teacher, and wounded 21 others before committing suicide at Columbine High School.

* May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia: (Heritage High School shooting) Six students injured by Thomas Solomon Jr., 15.

* November 19, 1999: Deming, New Mexico: A 13-year-old girl fatally shot at Deming Middle School by Victor Cordova Jr., 13. Cordova stated he had intended to commit suicide but was jostled by others and the gun moved.

* February 29, 2000: Elementary School, Flint, Michigan: 6-year-old Dedrick Owens, youngest-ever school shooter. Kayla Rolland was the single fatality.

* May 26, 2000: Lake Worth, Florida: Lake Worth Middle School Florida teacher Barry Grunow was fatally shot by his student, 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill, who had returned to school after being sent home at 1 p.m. by the assistant principal for throwing water balloons. Brazill returned to school on his bike with a 5-inch Raven and four bullets stolen from his grandfather the week before. Brazill was an honor student. Grunow was a popular teacher and Brazill's favorite.

* August 28, 2000: University of Arkansas shooting at Fayetteville, Arkansas: At approximately 12:14 pm, Dr. John R. Locke, 67, Director of the Comparative Literature Program was shot and killed in his office by James E. Kelly, 36, a Comparative Literature PhD candidate who had recently been dismissed from the program for lack of progress toward his degree. Kelly shot Dr. Locke three times before taking his own life in Dr. Locke's office after it was cordoned off by campus police.

* September 26, 2000: Darrel Johnson, 13, offender in Louisiana school shooting with 1 student fatality.

* March 5, 2001: Charles Andrew William, age 15, offender in California school shooting at Santana High School, 15 wounded 2 of whom died.

* March 30, 2001: Donald R. Burt Jr., age 18, offender in Indiana school shooting with 1 student fatality.

* September 24, 2003: John Jason McLaughlin, age 15, offender in Minnesota school shooting with 2 student fatalities.

* February 2, 2004: Unidentified offender in Washington, DC school shooting with 1 student fatality.

* May 7, 2004: Unidentified 17-year-old offender in Maryland school shooting with 1 student fatality.

And that’s excluding the Fairchild Air Force Base Massacre in 1994; the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building Massacre in 1995; the Caltrans Maintenance Yard Massacre in 1997; the Connecticut State Lottery Headquarters Massacre in 1998; the Wedgewood Baptist Church Massacre of 1999; the Xerox Office Building Massacre in 1999; the Edgewater Technology Office Massacre in 2000; and the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks which killed nearly 3,000 people (in which the culprits used box cutters and airplanes to pull that one off). We should have had an Assault Box Cutter and Airplane Ban in place I guess.

Yep, excluding the aforementioned, the AWB that the Left put into practice nearly two decades ago really mitigated murderous schoolyard and workplace evil for its ten-year run, right?

Ah, who am I kidding? The Assault Weapons Ban didn't work. School shootings shot through the roof, and lo and behold killers still found a way around the uber-strict regulations to carry out their death wishes with an assortment of weapons. Yep, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the biggest spike in school shootings in our nation’s short history occurred during the initial AWB. Google it and get back to me.

Oh, and another thing according to a comprehensive Congressional Research Service report on guns and gun control legislation: Less than 2% of 203,300 state and federal prisoners who were armed during the crime for which they were incarcerated “used, carried, or possessed a semiautomatic assault weapon.” If the hooligans did use a gun it was mostly your normal, non-funky firearm, i.e. mostly hunting guns and non-"assault" weapons. But we can rest assured that the Progressives would never come after our Remington 870s and our revolvers (because they promised). Never. Ever. Ever.

In addition to the AWB not really stemming the tide of gun violence in the public school systems, it sure didn’t calm things down in the “gun-free” Windy City, as Chi-town racked up a whopping 7,636 murders during the Clinton ban.

Speaking of Chicago, this year alone 446 kids have been shot where guns have been verboten, and just this week Chicago hit 500 murders that have now occurred in the “gun free” Toddlin’ Town for 2012.

It appears as if our former AWB and our current “gun free” zones don’t work.

NightTrain
12-31-2012, 01:25 PM
The complete lack of ability to think things through is the hallmark of any gun control supporter.

Criminals, and especially insane criminals, do not observe laws. That's why they're criminals.



Gun control supporters seem to have a magical idea that if they outlaw guns, suddenly there will be no more guns. Even criminals won't be able to get any!

Then Rainbows will erupt everywhere and unicorns will descend from the heavens singing Kumbaya, inspiring Toyota to give everyone a free Prius.

jimnyc
12-31-2012, 01:58 PM
I'm too lazy to look this up and confirm right now, but not on your list... I believe there was an "assault" weapons ban in Connecticut as well, where this school shooting took place. From what I can tell, the rifle wasn't an "assault" weapon anyway. Regardless, the criminal element aren't really going to give a crap as to whether or not their weapon of choice is legal or not, while they are in the commission of a crime. Imagine that line of thinking from a criminal aka someone wanting to murder people - "Ok, so I would like to enter this room and kill 10 people. I have these 3 guns, but I don't know if I can use 2 of them as they might be illegal. That only leaves me with my .22 pistol. I don't think that will let me kill everybody. Damn laws getting in my way. Oh well, maybe I'll forget about it and move on. Well played, Feinstein"

I know, it's absurd. But it gets the point across. A demented person looking to kill is not gonna give a hill of beans about the law. And like very well stated in a video I recently watched - suppose you have a guy now, with a handgun and a clip holding 9 rounds. He has 12 more clips on him, all fully loaded. How long does it take to reload a clip? 1, maybe 2 seconds?

Besides...

http://i.imgur.com/0bL80.jpg

WiccanLiberal
12-31-2012, 02:38 PM
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/why-the-assault-weapon-ban-failed-and-a-new-one-would-too

Why The Assault Weapon Ban Failed, And A New One Would, Too (http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/why-the-assault-weapon-ban-failed-and-a-new-one-would-too)"I will try to make this a layman's presentation.First, we have to look at the definition of "assault weapon."
There is a military definition of "Assault rifle," which is a rifle of intermediate caliber, firing from a closed bolt, in select fire (both self-loading, and automatic or burst), intended for engagements primarily under 200 yards. Assault rifles are strictly regulated by the National Fireams Act of 1934 (It predates assault rifles by a decade), requiring a background check, law enforcement approval, a $200 tax stamp, and are illegal in 12 states at the state level. No new ones can be manufactured for civilian sale since 1986. Current market prices are around $12,000 and up. My research shows none have ever been used to commit a crime of violence.
There are two cases of registered full autos that were not assault rifles used for violence. Both perpetrators were law enforcement officers.
...So, the law changed nothing functional or practical, and instead led to an explosion of new weapons of various designs, and when it went away, nothing changed.Except one thing: Gun owners are not inclined to agree to an acceptable level of control, since that level can be changed, until the "right" to keep and bear arms means Airsoft guns...So I ask again, politely: Please address school security, mental health, and the need of the media to glamorize killers. Because 94 million law abiding citizens didn't kill anyone last year."



Take the time to read the entire article. Most advocates of gun control know NOTHING about what they are trying to regulate.

Robert A Whit
12-31-2012, 06:00 PM
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/why-the-assault-weapon-ban-failed-and-a-new-one-would-too

Why The Assault Weapon Ban Failed, And A New One Would, Too (http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/why-the-assault-weapon-ban-failed-and-a-new-one-would-too)

"I will try to make this a layman's presentation.First, we have to look at the definition of "assault weapon."
There is a military definition of "Assault rifle," which is a rifle of intermediate caliber, firing from a closed bolt, in select fire (both self-loading, and automatic or burst), intended for engagements primarily under 200 yards. Assault rifles are strictly regulated by the National Fireams Act of 1934 (It predates assault rifles by a decade), requiring a background check, law enforcement approval, a $200 tax stamp, and are illegal in 12 states at the state level. No new ones can be manufactured for civilian sale since 1986. Current market prices are around $12,000 and up. My research shows none have ever been used to commit a crime of violence.
There are two cases of registered full autos that were not assault rifles used for violence. Both perpetrators were law enforcement officers.
...So, the law changed nothing functional or practical, and instead led to an explosion of new weapons of various designs, and when it went away, nothing changed.Except one thing: Gun owners are not inclined to agree to an acceptable level of control, since that level can be changed, until the "right" to keep and bear arms means Airsoft guns...So I ask again, politely: Please address school security, mental health, and the need of the media to glamorize killers. Because 94 million law abiding citizens didn't kill anyone last year."



Take the time to read the entire article. Most advocates of gun control know NOTHING about what they are trying to regulate.

Very well stated. Thanks.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-31-2012, 06:48 PM
I'm too lazy to look this up and confirm right now, but not on your list... I believe there was an "assault" weapons ban in Connecticut as well, where this school shooting took place. From what I can tell, the rifle wasn't an "assault" weapon anyway. Regardless, the criminal element aren't really going to give a crap as to whether or not their weapon of choice is legal or not, while they are in the commission of a crime. Imagine that line of thinking from a criminal aka someone wanting to murder people - "Ok, so I would like to enter this room and kill 10 people. I have these 3 guns, but I don't know if I can use 2 of them as they might be illegal. That only leaves me with my .22 pistol. I don't think that will let me kill everybody. Damn laws getting in my way. Oh well, maybe I'll forget about it and move on. Well played, Feinstein"

I know, it's absurd. But it gets the point across. A demented person looking to kill is not gonna give a hill of beans about the law. And like very well stated in a video I recently watched - suppose you have a guy now, with a handgun and a clip holding 9 rounds. He has 12 more clips on him, all fully loaded. How long does it take to reload a clip? 1, maybe 2 seconds?

Besides...

http://i.imgur.com/0bL80.jpg

That expiration date is whats being aimed at right now by the anti-gun people. They plan on doing it by degrees and illegal decrees. We gun owners that are patriots will not give up our guns no matter what laws they pass. Fact, they must come and take them. That's why we have a Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. To insure that they have to fight to take them!! No human on earth has any legal authority to TRY to take my guns.. Just that simple. They wear a badge it still doesn't give them the authority to come to my home and attempt to confiscate my legal weapons. They may succeed but not until the fight is over. Just that simple. -Tyr

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-31-2012, 06:51 PM
Liberal Gun Free Zones== translation=
Victim Waiting Areas!!!!--Tyr

Robert A Whit
12-31-2012, 07:42 PM
That expiration date is whats being aimed at right now by the anti-gun people. They plan on doing it by degrees and illegal decrees. We gun owners that are patriots will not give up our guns no matter what laws they pass. Fact, they must come and take them. That's why we have a Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. To insure that they have to fight to take them!! No human on earth has any legal authority to TRY to take my guns.. Just that simple. They wear a badge it still doesn't give them the authority to come to my home and attempt to confiscate my legal weapons. They may succeed but not until the fight is over. Just that simple. -Tyr

Well said. I too plan to turn in my guns ... when the second amendment expires.

Well, that is a lie. I won't turn them in to any of the government creeps.