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Little-Acorn
01-16-2013, 12:14 PM
The U.S. Supreme Court has released a ruling saying that military-style weapons are protected by the 2nd amendment, and thus the right of ordinary citizens to "keep and bear" them cannot be taken away or restricted.

The ruling came from a surprise case that came directly from a Federal District Court in Arkansas, without travelling the "usual" route through a Federal Court of Appeals first.

This clearly indicates that so-called "assault rifles", even though misnamed by most politicians and media, are protected by the 2nd due to the very features that such people fear: Bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, folding stocks etc. that make them appear similar to weapons used by the military. And of course, the ruling also means that genuine military weapons such as M-16s and AK-47s that can fire continuously like a machine gun, are also protected, and cannot be restricted by Federal, State, or local legislation.

In their Opinion of the Court, the Justices indicated that weapons which are "part of the ordinary military equipment" came under the protection of the 2nd amendment, even in civilian hands, as well as a gun whose "use could contribute to the common defense."

The ruling was especially surprising in light of the fact that the entire Defense team was absent from the Supreme Court trial during the proceedings. Apparently the defendant himself, Jack Miller, the owner of the gun in question, could not be found by his lawyer to prepare a defense. The lawyer decided that since he could not prepare an adequate defense without any consultation or information from Miller, and that since he was unlikely to receive any pay for the massive effort needed to prepare a Supreme Court case, he would not attend the hearings nor submit any briefs to the Court.

This left the Government prosecution team with an unexpected windfall. The prosecution decided to enter into the record a number of demonstrably false statements, including:

(a) Only weapons commonly used by the armed services, were protected by the 2nd amendment. This is clearly false, since the 2nd merely mentions militias as a reason why the right to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed, not as a governing condition of such a right.

(b) The weapon owned by defendant Miller (a short-barrelled shotgun) was not a weapon in use by military forces. This is also demonstrably false, since such weapons were commonly used by both sides in recent major wars, and were known as "trench guns".

(c) Membership in a militia was necessary for a person to have the right to keep an bear arms. This is, of course, false for the reasons given above. More recent cases have positively stated that the right is and individual right, and is not based on a citizen's membership in any military organization.

But since no one stood up for the Defense to point out the falsehood of the Government's statements, the Justices rubber-stamped most of them into an Opinion.

The Opinion of the Court is loaded with phrases indicating the Justices' frustration over not hearing any arguments from the Defense. "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that...", and "...we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees...", and "...it is not withing judicial notice that...". This is as close as any Justice has ever gotten to protesting the complete lack of counterarguments to the Prosecution's falsehoods.

But the trial had to go on, as scheduled. And even with the lopsided "evidence" presented, the Justices were still able to salvage a ruling that civilian ownership and usage of military and military-style weapons, at least, enjoyed the protection of the 2nd amendment.

Defendant Miller was found later, dead in a stream bed, with four pistol bullets in his chest.

As in all Supreme Court cases, this ruling will remain valid and in force without limit, unless a subsequent Supreme Court case overrules or reverses it. To date, no such case has done that, except DC v. Heller which ruled in 2008 that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right, not contingent on military membership.

The case was US v. Miller (307 U.S. 174), ruling delivered on May 15, 1939. It remains valid to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

http://www.little-acorn.com/html/USvMillerDetails_Aultice.htm

jimnyc
01-16-2013, 12:21 PM
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

jimnyc
01-16-2013, 12:27 PM
My question is, LA, how come this didn't help in 1994 with preventing the ban, and especially bans on guns that weren't "true" assault weapons?

Little-Acorn
01-16-2013, 12:34 PM
My question is, LA, how come this didn't help in 1994 with preventing the ban, and especially bans on guns that weren't "true" assault weapons?

I don't know. It might be interesting to look up what arguments went down around then.

One thing I do know is, liberals have gotten VERY quiet about the US v. Miller case, ever since they started trying to demonize and ban so-called "assault weapons".

jimnyc
01-16-2013, 12:37 PM
I don't know. It might be interesting to look up what arguments went down around then.

One thing I do know is, liberals have gotten VERY quiet about the US v. Miller case, ever since they started trying to demonize and ban so-called "assault weapons".

That's because the majority of them don't even know what an assault weapon is. They think "scary gun = assault weapon", then toss out names of guns and condemn them. It makes me giggle a little when I see someone condemning things so much that they obviously know nothing about. But it's Washington that scares me, as some members are similar and want to ban certain guns on appearance alone.

Little-Acorn
01-16-2013, 01:07 PM
The new NY gun law sounds a lot like a law from a communist country, where they spend a lot of time telling everybody how beneficial the law will be, before they even get around to writing what the law itself says.

They list all the things that make guns scary-looking, and take several paragraphs to tell us that these things make the gun more lethal... which it isn't, of course.

Even liberal laws these days, aren't laws so much as they are propaganda.

aboutime
01-16-2013, 03:29 PM
The new NY gun law sounds a lot like a law from a communist country, where they spend a lot of time telling everybody how beneficial the law will be, before they even get around to writing what the law itself says.

They list all the things that make guns scary-looking, and take several paragraphs to tell us that these things make the gun more lethal... which it isn't, of course.

Even liberal laws these days, aren't laws so much as they are propaganda.


Little-Acorn. All of this bluster about gun control, and how guns are dangerous, and the likely politicians are once again screaming...all the while, thinking about their RE-ELECTION possibilities.

But...not one person living today, anywhere in this nation has ever proven HOW any gun, rifle, or grenade launcher EVER decided to reload itself, take aim, and fire...WITHOUT A HUMAN?

Stands to reason. Instead of banning weapons, or assault rifles. Just ban Human beings....Namely POLITICIANS, and the problem solves itself. Perfectly.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
01-16-2013, 06:32 PM
The U.S. Supreme Court has released a ruling saying that military-style weapons are protected by the 2nd amendment, and thus the right of ordinary citizens to "keep and bear" them cannot be taken away or restricted.

The ruling came from a surprise case that came directly from a Federal District Court in Arkansas, without travelling the "usual" route through a Federal Court of Appeals first.

This clearly indicates that so-called "assault rifles", even though misnamed by most politicians and media, are protected by the 2nd due to the very features that such people fear: Bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, folding stocks etc. that make them appear similar to weapons used by the military. And of course, the ruling also means that genuine military weapons such as M-16s and AK-47s that can fire continuously like a machine gun, are also protected, and cannot be restricted by Federal, State, or local legislation.

In their Opinion of the Court, the Justices indicated that weapons which are "part of the ordinary military equipment" came under the protection of the 2nd amendment, even in civilian hands, as well as a gun whose "use could contribute to the common defense."

The ruling was especially surprising in light of the fact that the entire Defense team was absent from the Supreme Court trial during the proceedings. Apparently the defendant himself, Jack Miller, the owner of the gun in question, could not be found by his lawyer to prepare a defense. The lawyer decided that since he could not prepare an adequate defense without any consultation or information from Miller, and that since he was unlikely to receive any pay for the massive effort needed to prepare a Supreme Court case, he would not attend the hearings nor submit any briefs to the Court.

This left the Government prosecution team with an unexpected windfall. The prosecution decided to enter into the record a number of demonstrably false statements, including:

(a) Only weapons commonly used by the armed services, were protected by the 2nd amendment. This is clearly false, since the 2nd merely mentions militias as a reason why the right to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed, not as a governing condition of such a right.

(b) The weapon owned by defendant Miller (a short-barrelled shotgun) was not a weapon in use by military forces. This is also demonstrably false, since such weapons were commonly used by both sides in recent major wars, and were known as "trench guns".

(c) Membership in a militia was necessary for a person to have the right to keep an bear arms. This is, of course, false for the reasons given above. More recent cases have positively stated that the right is and individual right, and is not based on a citizen's membership in any military organization.

But since no one stood up for the Defense to point out the falsehood of the Government's statements, the Justices rubber-stamped most of them into an Opinion.

The Opinion of the Court is loaded with phrases indicating the Justices' frustration over not hearing any arguments from the Defense. "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that...", and "...we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees...", and "...it is not withing judicial notice that...". This is as close as any Justice has ever gotten to protesting the complete lack of counterarguments to the Prosecution's falsehoods.

But the trial had to go on, as scheduled. And even with the lopsided "evidence" presented, the Justices were still able to salvage a ruling that civilian ownership and usage of military and military-style weapons, at least, enjoyed the protection of the 2nd amendment.

Defendant Miller was found later, dead in a stream bed, with four pistol bullets in his chest.

As in all Supreme Court cases, this ruling will remain valid and in force without limit, unless a subsequent Supreme Court case overrules or reverses it. To date, no such case has done that, except DC v. Heller which ruled in 2008 that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right, not contingent on military membership.

The case was US v. Miller (307 U.S. 174), ruling delivered on May 15, 1939. It remains valid to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

http://www.little-acorn.com/html/USvMillerDetails_Aultice.htm

Let me guess, nobody ever was arrested for murdering the guy , execution style, right??--Tyr

aboutime
01-16-2013, 06:38 PM
Let me guess, nobody ever was arrested for murdering the guy , execution style, right??--Tyr


Tyr. No need to guess. This reminds me of VINCE FOSTER. Was anyone ever arrested for that? And they still call it everything but Murder????

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