Funny they are not trying to ban certain cars, isn't it?

[Robert A Whit]

Look at these deaths that I copied from the news today.

Yet they are not demanding in DC we ban certain autos.

Wonder why eh?


An estimated 36,200 people died in motor vehicle accidents in 2012, the National Safety Council said Tuesday. That's up from 34,600 deaths the previous year. It's the first increase since 2004 to 2005.

[logroller]

Cars aren't even protected by the Constitution. :dunno:

[Robert A Whit]

Cars aren't even protected by the Constitution. :dunno:

Yet as huge a killer as cars are, they still are not banned. Point taken by the way.

[jafar00]

There is a big difference between accidents involving cars, and purposely pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone. The same can't be said of guns.

[red states rule]

There is a big difference between accidents involving cars, and purposely pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone. The same can't be said of guns.



What was that you said about pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/adultery-lower.jpg

[logroller]

There is a big difference between accidents involving cars, and purposely pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone. The same can't be said of guns.

Guns aren't generally used as a weapon with the intent to kill someone either. 270,000,000 guns in the US, 8583 murders by firearm in 2011.

254,000,000 cars in 2007 (US DOT), while deaths by Alcohol impaired drivers alone account for over 10000 of the total 32,367 total traffic fatalities in 2011.
Somehow its more acceptable if its by accident or negligence. Doesn't make sense to me when several of the greatest causes of death, heart disease, respitory disease, diabetes etc, would all be reduced if there were less cars been driven every day. But alas, people like their freedom to go about their business taking lives haphazardly; but merely owning a gun that shoots ten plus rounds is a significant enough threat to society to prohibit.

[revelarts]

why do people really need cars anyway?
whats wrong with the bus and trains or walking jafar?

do you how many car deaths there are in countries where very few people have cars? hmm? do ya? hmm?

[revelarts]

Originally Posted by jafar00 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=618556#post618556) There is a big difference between accidents involving cars, and purposely pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone. The same can't be said of guns.



So now your changing you reason from the AMOUNT of Deaths to your idea of the PURPOSE of the tool.
which -in you mind- is to kill (implied aggressively) . Others say it's to defend and have fun, but somehow your definition is to be taken as the only one everyone should buy into.


It's great that you can change you motive for stealing guns from decent people from one to other when it suits you.

You don't even live here, why do you care, your safe, no guns near you.
Have a safe drive to work.

[jimnyc]

There is a big difference between accidents involving cars, and purposely pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone. The same can't be said of guns.

It's happened. What would you say if a guy went flying down the road and drove his car into a bus stop and killed 7 people? Should he have his license revoked? Should be be allowed to continue to drive?

Should other drivers be affected by his actions?

Now suppose these crazy drivers did this 50-300 times per year. Now do you think the rest of the country should have their cars taken away, or "lessened"? Should they be treated like the criminals?

[tailfins]

If we're going to be flooding the streets with clownish mini-cars we need a national 45 MPH maximum speed limit. Just ask Joan Claybrook who instituted penalizing states who didn't get 85% compliance with the 55 during the Carter years. Nixon may have given us 55, but it was Carter who enforced it with draconian measures.

[revelarts]

I've seen an angry girlfriend try to run down her boyfriend before. the guy just barely jumped out of the way of the car.
She then decided to ram his parked new car instead, then she drove off.
they should be banned,
angry girlfriends i mean, should be against the law.

[tailfins]

I've seen an angry girlfriend try to run down her boyfriend before. the guy just barely jumped out of the way of the car.
She then decided to ram his parked new car instead, then she drove off.
they should be banned,
angry girlfriends i mean, should be against the law.

How about we meet the gun grabbers half way? They want to ban assault weapons, what if we just ban assault?

[cadet]

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[Little-Acorn]

There is a big difference between accidents involving cars, and purposely pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone. The same can't be said of guns.

The obvious conclusion to draw here, is that it's not the inanimate object that's at fault here (car, gun). It's the person using it, and what he is using it for.

It's an excellent point. We should ban pointing a gun (or car) at somebody and pulling the trigger (or stepping on the gas) immediately, NOT simpy owning the gun (or car) and carrying (or driving) it in a safe manner.

Why didn't we think of that before?

:salute:

[Voted4Reagan]

Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone.

Followers of Islam have no Problem using them as weapons...

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFraW5nbmV3cy13d3ctaHJkcg0LEgRTZWVkGO-S8gwM/2013/02/17/update-8-car-bombs-exploded-in-shiite-muslim-neighborhoods-across-ira

JAFAR FAIL

[jafar00]

What was that you said about pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/adultery-lower.jpg

Are you saying the US gun lobby is the same as the Taliban? Not quite......


why do people really need cars anyway?
whats wrong with the bus and trains or walking jafar?

There is nothing wrong with alternative means of transport. I use them myself.


You don't even live here, why do you care, your safe, no guns near you.
Have a safe drive to work.

Yes. I have a pleasant 20min scenic walk followed by a calming 30min ferry ride to my office and back. Not a gun in sight nor is one needed. All I need to do is sit back, relax and enjoy the fresh air, water and the sun.


It's happened. What would you say if a guy went flying down the road and drove his car into a bus stop and killed 7 people? Should he have his license revoked? Should be be allowed to continue to drive?

Should other drivers be affected by his actions?

Now suppose these crazy drivers did this 50-300 times per year. Now do you think the rest of the country should have their cars taken away, or "lessened"? Should they be treated like the criminals?

You are describing an accident. 100% of massacres are not accidents. Of course the driver should be investigated and if proven negligent, have his license revoke and perhaps negligent homicide charges.


I've seen an angry girlfriend try to run down her boyfriend before. the guy just barely jumped out of the way of the car.
She then decided to ram his parked new car instead, then she drove off.
they should be banned,
angry girlfriends i mean, should be against the law.

Good thing she didn't have a gun. He may not have been able to get out of the way of a bullet.

Thanks for helping the gun control cause with your analogy ;)


Followers of Islam have no Problem using them as weapons...

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFraW5nbmV3cy13d3ctaHJkcg0LEgRTZWVkGO-S8gwM/2013/02/17/update-8-car-bombs-exploded-in-shiite-muslim-neighborhoods-across-ira

JAFAR FAIL

Last I checked, this thread was mostly about gun control in the USA? I fail to see what criminals in Iraq have to do with it.

[Little-Acorn]

There is a big difference between accidents involving cars, and purposely pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone.

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/35-die-in-iraq-car-bomb-explosions

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0806/p01s01-woap.html

http://wc.arizona.edu/papers/94/18/01_94_m.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17013987

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/riyadh-car-bomb-attack-kills-4-and-injures-148-560808.html

Right as usual, jafar. (yawn)

[Robert A Whit]

There is a big difference between accidents involving cars, and purposely pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Cars are not generally used as a weapon with the intent on killing someone. The same can't be said of guns.

Be sure you mention that at funerals where sombody was killed by a car.

[jafar00]

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/35-die-in-iraq-car-bomb-explosions

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0806/p01s01-woap.html

http://wc.arizona.edu/papers/94/18/01_94_m.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17013987

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/riyadh-car-bomb-attack-kills-4-and-injures-148-560808.html

Right as usual, jafar. (yawn)

How many car bombs are there in the USA every year? This thread is not about the warzones you created.

[red states rule]

Jafar, this is one way Muslims have cut down the divorce rate. A bullet is cheaper then a lawyer

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/adultery-lower.jpg

[jimnyc]

How many car bombs are there in the USA every year? This thread is not about the warzones you created.

Are you saying that these car bombs only happen in areas where there was a US involved war? That's laughable. There are undoubtedly more people killed in the Islamic territories from various attacks than there are from ALL gun murders in the USA per year.

[Robert A Whit]

Are you saying that these car bombs only happen in areas where there was a US involved war? That's laughable. There are undoubtedly more people killed in the Islamic territories from various attacks than there are from ALL gun murders in the USA per year.

If he brings his bombs to this country, he will meet our guns.