Israel accused of abusing detained children

[jafar00]

I don't care how you feel about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict but when it comes to the "systematic" abuse of children by the Israeli authorities, all the gloves are off.

No civilised human being can ever accept such a thing!


Palestinian children detained by Israeli authorities face systematic abuse that violates international law, the United Nations Children Fund (UNICEF) has said in a report.
UNICEF estimated that 700 Palestinian children aged between 12 and 17 were arrested by Israeli security forces every year in the occupied West Bank.
The world organisation said it had identified some examples of practices that "amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment according to the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Convention against Torture".
According to the report, which was released on Wednesday, most of the youths are taken into custody for throwing stones at Israeli security forces. Tel Aviv says it takes such incidents seriously, noting that rock-throwing has caused Israeli deaths.
Ill-treatment of Palestinian minors typically begins with the arrest itself, often carried out in the middle of the night by heavily armed soldiers, and continues all the way through prosecution and sentencing, according to the report.
"The pattern of ill-treatment includes ... the practice of blindfolding children and tying their hands with plastic ties, physical and verbal abuse during transfer to an interrogation site, including the use of painful restraints," the report said.
It said minors suffered physical violence and threats during their interrogation, were coerced into confession and not given immediate access to a lawyer or family during questioning.
"Treatment inconsistent with child rights continues during court appearances, including shackling of children, denial of bail and imposition of custodial sentences and transfer of children outside occupied Palestinian territory to serve their sentences inside Israel," the report said.

'Institutionalised'
Such practice "appears to be widespread, systematic and institutionalised", it added.

UNICEF based its findings on more than 400 cases documented since 2009 as well as legal papers, reports by governmental and non-governmental groups and interviews with Palestinian minors and with Israeli and Palestinian officials and lawyers.
Qadoura Fares, chairman of the Palestinian Prisoners Club which looks after inmates and their families, praised the report and called for Israel to be held accountable.
A spokeswoman for Israel's Prison Service said there were currently 307 Palestinian minors in Israeli custody, 108 of whom are serving a prison sentence. Most of them are between the ages of 16 to 18 and the rest are under 16.
UNICEF said Israel had made some "positive changes" in recent years in its treatment of Palestinian minors, including new hand-tying procedures meant to prevent pain and injury.
It also noted a 2010 military order that requires Israeli police to notify parents about the arrest of their children and to inform minors they have the right to consult a lawyer.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said officials from the ministry and the Israeli military had cooperated with UNICEF in its work on the report, with the goal of improving the treatment of Palestinian minors in custody.
"Israel will study the conclusions and will work to implement them through ongoing cooperation with UNICEF, whose work we value and respect," he said.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/03/20133616135848414.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount

[fj1200]

I don't care how you feel about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict but when it comes to the "systematic" abuse of children by the Israeli authorities, all the gloves are off.

No civilised human being can ever accept such a thing!


estimated that 700 Palestinian children aged between 12 and 17
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/03/20133616135848414.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount

That is a wide range to be classified as children. Even in the US some "children" are charged as adults depending on circumstances.

[CSM]

With or without suicide vests?

[NightTrain]

With or without suicide vests?

You beat me to it.

With the penchant that muslims have for using children and women for suicide bombings, I don't doubt that the ones intercepted and detained are interrogated and firmly secured.

Anyone have a link so I can donate to the IDF?

[DragonStryk72]

okay, so see if I've got this straight. A bunch of teens, who were old enough to know better, get busted for attacking the cops, who show up armed when they arrest them. From there, they get put through the court process, and are treated like criminals who broke the law.
At no time are they actually beaten or otherwise physically harmed, just "humiliated".
So, what is it when HAMAS bombs a school? Or do you just want to backhandedly call me a racist again and run off?

[jafar00]

You beat me to it.

With the penchant that muslims have for using children and women for suicide bombings, I don't doubt that the ones intercepted and detained are interrogated and firmly secured.

Anyone have a link so I can donate to the IDF?


okay, so see if I've got this straight. A bunch of teens, who were old enough to know better, get busted for attacking the cops, who show up armed when they arrest them. From there, they get put through the court process, and are treated like criminals who broke the law.
At no time are they actually beaten or otherwise physically harmed, just "humiliated".
So, what is it when HAMAS bombs a school? Or do you just want to backhandedly call me a racist again and run off?

It wasn't me and it wasn't the Palestinians who pointed out the Israeli abuses. It was UNICEF.

We are talking about the torture of children. How can you guys support that in any way?

I'm sure this creates so called "terrorists" too because if I was a Palestinian father and my child was tortured by an occupation force, I would be the first in line to light the fuse on the next rocket over the border.

[NightTrain]

It wasn't me and it wasn't the Palestinians who pointed out the Israeli abuses. It was UNICEF.

We are talking about the torture of children. How can you guys support that in any way?

I'm sure this creates so called "terrorists" too because if I was a Palestinian father and my child was tortured by an occupation force, I would be the first in line to light the fuse on the next rocket over the border.

Here's a fun fact : There are lots of people within the UN that hate Jews, much like you and your fellow muslims do.

That's why most thinking people take these sorts of reports that come from the UN with a large dose of skepticism.

I'm quite sure that there's a load of 17 year olds in Israeli custody that were caught doing typical terroristy kinds of things.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I don't care how you feel about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict but when it comes to the "systematic" abuse of children by the Israeli authorities, all the gloves are off.

No civilised human being can ever accept such a thing!


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/03/20133616135848414.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount

Your source is as full of shit as you are.

[jafar00]

Here's a fun fact : There are lots of people within the UN that hate Jews, much like you and your fellow muslims do.

That's why most thinking people take these sorts of reports that come from the UN with a large dose of skepticism.

I'm quite sure that there's a load of 17 year olds in Israeli custody that were caught doing typical terroristy kinds of things.

The evidence collected by UNICEF says that there are a lot of children in Israeli jails and that they are being tortured.

Do you just dismiss it because you feel that the Palestinians are worth less than others? Or because you have a perception that the UN hates Jews?

I'll make it clearer.

CHILDREN ARE BEING TORTURED

Do you agree with it?

[Voted4Reagan]

No matter your age...

If you take on a Military target even by throwing stones at them you are an ENEMY COMBATANT and not covered under CIVIL LAWS.

The Military has jurisdiction.

[Marcus Aurelius]

The evidence collected by UNICEF says that there are a lot of children in Israeli jails and that they are being tortured.

Do you just dismiss it because you feel that the Palestinians are worth less than others? Or because you have a perception that the UN hates Jews?

I'll make it clearer.

CHILDREN ARE BEING TORTURED

Do you agree with it?



http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4601244/
Turning a blind eye to child suicide bombers Where's the outrage over the Palestinians' mistreatment of children?

The evidence collected by NBC and others says that there are a lot of children being used by Palestinians as suicide bombers.

Do you just dismiss it because you feel that the Jews are worth less than others? Or because you have a perception that NBC and others hate the Palestinians?

I'll make it clearer.

CHILDREN ARE BEING USED AS SUICIDE BOMBERS

Do you agree with it?

[NightTrain]

The evidence collected by UNICEF says that there are a lot of children in Israeli jails and that they are being tortured.

Do you just dismiss it because you feel that the Palestinians are worth less than others? Or because you have a perception that the UN hates Jews?

I'll make it clearer.

CHILDREN ARE BEING TORTURED

Do you agree with it?


Who authored the report? Someone with a handle like Mohammed Ibn Jihad?

You must have missed the part where I expressed doubt as to the honesty in that little report.

I still think it's funny that you scour Al Jazeera and continue to pretend that it's a legit news source.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.unicef.org/media/media_68093.html


JERUSALEM, 6 March 2013 – UNICEF today outlined practical measures that could be adopted to improve the treatment of Palestinian children who are in contact with the Israeli military detention system.

In a briefing paper titled Children in Israeli military detention: observations and recommendations, the children’s agency recommends measures so that Palestinian children in Israeli military custody are treated in line with the Convention on the Rights of the Child and other international standards.
Based on an analysis of the legal framework and testimonies from children on the violations of their rights in detention, the paper says there appears to be a pattern of ill-treatment during the arrest, transfer and interrogation of child detainees.
It includes a series of recommendations to improve protection for children in conformity with international standards such as the prohibition of blindfolding and solitary confinement of children.
The paper also recommends that except in extreme circumstances, children should not be arrested at night and a lawyer or family member should be present during interrogation of child suspects.
The paper also reinforces findings made by the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory and the UN Special Committee on Israeli practices in the Occupied Territory in 2012.

UNICEF welcomes some improvement in the treatment of Palestinian children in the Israeli military system over the past years, including raising the age when Palestinian children reach adulthood from 16 to 18 years. UNICEF will continue its engagement with Israeli military authorities to improve the safeguards that promote the rights and well-being of Palestinian children in military custody.


Odd... I don't see the words 'cruel'... 'inhuman'... 'abuse'... anywhere in this piece from UNICEF themselves.

Jahil and his sources are full of shit... as usual.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Here's a link to the actual report, Jahil you dumb ass.
http://www.unicef.org/oPt/UNICEF_oPt_Children_in_Israeli_Military_Detention_ Observations_and_Recommendations_-_6_March_2013.pdf

Story the link came from...
http://www.humansecuritygateway.com/showRecord.php?RecordId=38963

Boo fucking hoo. The are roused in the middle of the night... hands tied... arrested and transferred... again... boo fucking hoo.

[jimnyc]

I don't have a vested interest in either side of this conflict. Quite frankly, if either fell off into an ocean overnight, I wouldn't care in the morning. But I have followed certain issues for years and years. Both sides are guilty at times of heinous activities, I won't dare say either is 100% innocent. But if there were in fact a scoreboard, tallying which side is abusive in various ways towards children, in total, the Palestinians come out FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR ahead. Hell, even Palestinian rhetoric wouldn't and couldn't keep up with historical facts. Thanks to known terror groups within Palestine, it's not even close, not even in the same universe. Does this mean Israel has never done wrong? Of course not, and those doing shit to children should be investigated and prosecuted. Unfortunately, on the Palestinian side, there is no rule of law and the terror groups more or less have more power than anyone else.

Sorry, Jafar - you should at least be equal in condemnation and post the horrific acts that the Pals do towards children, at least if you want to be taken seriously.

[aboutime]

I don't care how you feel about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict but when it comes to the "systematic" abuse of children by the Israeli authorities, all the gloves are off.

No civilised human being can ever accept such a thing!


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/03/20133616135848414.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount



jafar. Here is how you could have saved all of us some time.
All you needed to tell us was..................
I, jafar. Hate Israel, Israeli's, and in general. Like Hamas I HATE JEWS.

[jafar00]

The evidence collected by NBC and others says that there are a lot of children being used by Palestinians as suicide bombers.

Do you just dismiss it because you feel that the Jews are worth less than others? Or because you have a perception that NBC and others hate the Palestinians?

I'll make it clearer.

CHILDREN ARE BEING USED AS SUICIDE BOMBERS

Do you agree with it?


In 2004, the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers reported that "there was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups," also noting that this remains a small fraction of the problem in other conflict zones such as Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa), where there are an estimated 20,000 children involved in active combat roles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children) in the Sudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan) alone.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict#cite_note-4) Human Rights Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch) also reported that "there was no evidence that the Palestinian Authority (PA) recruited or used child soldiers."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict#cite_note-5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict

[CSM]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict

I don't think that particular link takes folks where you intended it to, Jafar. If anything, it refutes your apparent stance on this as well as the UN report. Interesting link just the same.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=622469#post622469)

The evidence collected by NBC and others says that there are a lot of children being used by Palestinians as suicide bombers.

Do you just dismiss it because you feel that the Jews are worth less than others? Or because you have a perception that NBC and others hate the Palestinians?

I'll make it clearer.

CHILDREN ARE BEING USED AS SUICIDE BOMBERS

Do you agree with it?



In 2004, the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers reported that "there was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups," also noting that this remains a small fraction of the problem in other conflict zones such as Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa), where there are an estimated 20,000 children involved in active combat roles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children) in the Sudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan) alone.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict#cite_note-4)Human Rights Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch) also reported that "there was no evidence that the Palestinian Authority (PA) recruited or used child soldiers."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict#cite_note-5)







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict

A... I thought I was on ignore... ROFLMFAO @ Jahil. You can't help yourself, can you.
B... Wikipedia? Really? As opposed to every major news outlet in the free world?
C... you're a moron...


From YOUR POSTED LINK...


In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_conflict), Palestinian militant groups have recruited minors to attack Israeli targets, both military and civilian, especially during the Second Intifada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada). In some cases these attacks have been suicidal in nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack). This deliberate involvement of children in armed conflict has been condemned by international organisations and certain Palestinian groups.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict#cite_note-2)
According to the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_to_Stop_the_Use_of_Child_Soldiers) "2004 Global Report on the Use of Child Soldiers", there were at least nine documented suicide attacks involving Palestinian minors between October 2000 and March 2004.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict#cite_note-CSGR2004-292-3)



According to the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Human_Rights_Monitoring_Group), in the al-Aqsa Intifada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Intifada), Palestinian military folk have used children as "messengers and couriers, and in some cases as fighters and suicide bombers in attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians." Fatah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah), Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas), Islamic Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad_Movement) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Palestine) (PFLP) have all been implicated in involving children in this way, see Convention on the Rights of the Child (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child). The issue was first brought to world attention after a widely televised incident in which a mentally handicapped Palestinian teenager, Hussam Abdo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussam_Abdo), was disarmed at an Israeli checkpoint.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Pales tinian_conflict#cite_note-6) The youngest Palestinian suicide bomber who blew himself up was Issa Bdeir (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Issa_Bdeir&action=edit&redlink=1), a 16-year-old high school student from the village of Al Doha (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al_Doha&action=edit&redlink=1). He blew himself up in a park in Rishon LeZion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishon_LeZion), killing a teenage boy and an elderly man.




Dumb ass.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I don't think that particular link takes folks where you intended it to, Jafar. If anything, it refutes your apparent stance on this as well as the UN report. Interesting link just the same.

He only posted the one line that appears at first to bolster his claims. He didn't think we'd actually go read the link. See my previous post.

In short, he's a moron.

[DragonStryk72]

It wasn't me and it wasn't the Palestinians who pointed out the Israeli abuses. It was UNICEF.

We are talking about the torture of children. How can you guys support that in any way?

I'm sure this creates so called "terrorists" too because if I was a Palestinian father and my child was tortured by an occupation force, I would be the first in line to light the fuse on the next rocket over the border.

because they're not being tortured, they're being treated like criminals, and mildly humiliated.

so if your kid openly assaulted officers, you'd blame the cops for arresting them and making them feel bad for it?

[aboutime]

A reminder for jafar....Who should tell us how UNICEF is sponsoring this....4652.

By the way. UNICEF sponsored by the U.N. Is, and has been using American dollars from UNICEF Halloween drives to support Hamas, and other Terrorist groups.

If you doubt it. You insist you are smart enough to know. Prove it wrong.