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Voted4Reagan
04-02-2013, 05:25 PM
http://www.charismanews.com/world/38896-saudi-arabia-declares-destruction-of-all-churches-in-region

"Earlier this month, news reports surfaced out of Saudi Arabia that raised the red flag for Christians.

Todd Nettleton, a spokesman for Voice of the Martyrs USA, says, "The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia—the top Islamic official in the country of Saudi Arabia—has declared that it is 'necessary to destroy all the churches of the region.'" Nettleton goes on to note that the report hasn't surfaced anywhere except on the Council on Foreign Relations Web site, which was then picked up by The Atlantic. "

logroller
04-02-2013, 05:33 PM
More importantly-- How's their oil supply? Still Good. Phew!

Voted4Reagan
04-02-2013, 06:13 PM
funny how the actions of the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia are a Mirror of those of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem back in 1937.

aboutime
04-02-2013, 06:39 PM
More importantly-- How's their oil supply? Still Good. Phew!


logroller. Doesn't really matter about Saudi's oil supply. Right here in the U.S.A. we have a larger, untapped supply of Black Gold just waiting to be brought to the surface.
Politics, and special interests..other than BIG OIL have a hand in preventing the U.S.A. from becoming Independent from OPEC.

Follow the money. And all answers appear.

jafar00
04-02-2013, 07:20 PM
Deviant declarations from the Wahhabi surprise you?

Somebody should remind this joker about...

To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid; (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah". Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will). (22:39-40)

jimnyc
04-02-2013, 07:24 PM
Here is more on it, from the Council on Foreign Relations blog. I don't find any other results on the Arabic sites I peek into.


The Middle East Forum reports that

According to several Arabic news sources, last Monday, Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, declared that it is “necessary to destroy all the churches of the region.” The Grand Mufti made his assertion in response to a question posed by a delegation from Kuwait: a Kuwaiti parliament member recently called for the ”removal” of churches (he later “clarified” by saying he merely meant that no churches should be built in Kuwait), and the delegation wanted to confirm Sharia’s position on churches. Accordingly, the Grand Mufti “stressed that Kuwait was a part of the Arabian Peninsula, and therefore it is necessary to destroy all churches in it.

http://blogs.cfr.org/abrams/2012/03/15/destroy-all-the-churches/

logroller
04-02-2013, 07:54 PM
logroller. Doesn't really matter about Saudi's oil supply. Right here in the U.S.A. we have a larger, untapped supply of Black Gold just waiting to be brought to the surface.
Politics, and special interests..other than BIG OIL have a hand in preventing the U.S.A. from becoming Independent from OPEC.

Follow the money. And all answers appear.
I'm sure you're right; it's a conspiracy. That sweet light crude in Saudi Arabia isn't all that special. You outta tap that. Prove 'em all wrong. Let me know how much energy it takes to extract your first barrel, and your billionth. Do be sure and get back to me-- I keep tabs on such things and I suspect that the aforementioned larger than ever US reserve isn't as profitable as Saudi oil-- meaning economics plays a predominant role. But hey, like I said, get that oil out, refine it, and get back to me with how much it costs.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
04-02-2013, 08:25 PM
I'm sure you're right; it's a conspiracy. That sweet light crude in Saudi Arabia isn't all that special. You outta tap that. Prove 'em all wrong. Let me know how much energy it takes to extract your first barrel, and your billionth. Do be sure and get back to me-- I keep tabs on such things and I suspect that the aforementioned larger than ever US reserve isn't as profitable as Saudi oil-- meaning economics plays a predominant role. But hey, like I said, get that oil out, refine it, and get back to me with how much it costs.

http://science.time.com/2012/11/13/the-u-s-will-be-an-oil-giant-again-but-it-wont-be-energy-independent/

The U.S. Will Be an Oil Giant Again. But It Won’t Be Energy Independent

Read more: http://science.time.com/2012/11/13/the-u-s-will-be-an-oil-giant-again-but-it-wont-be-energy-independent/#ixzz2PM5tR0S4

Thanks to a burst of new shale oil production (http://science.time.com/2012/03/22/obamas-energy-strategy-all-of-the-above-and-a-lot-of-oil/) in states like North Dakota and Texas—as well as conservation measures like increased auto fuel efficiency—U.S. oil imports have been falling (http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-u.s.-oil-producer-saudi-arabia-iea-20121112,0,6181922.story), with the country now bringing in just 20% of its energy from beyond its borders. And if the International Energy Agency’s (IEA) new World Energy Outlook (http://www.iea.org/W/bookshop/add.aspx?id=433%20) is to be believed, the U.S. may be on its way to becoming the single biggest player in the global oil market. By around 2020, the IEA projects, the U.S. will be the world’s largest global oil producer, overtaking both Russia and Saudi Arabia. U.S. oil imports will keep falling, and by around 2030 North America as a whole will become a net oil exporter. From being the world’s biggest customer for oil, the U.S. could become the world’s biggest salesman.
That’s good news for the American economy and especially its trade deficit, which would benefit significantly (http://www.kcci.com/news/project-economy/US-to-become-biggest-oil-producer/-/9356884/17368150/-/47ulbz/-/index.html) from wiping away the $460 billion (http://www.greenlifestyleconsulting.com/2012/03/how-much-did-us-spend-on-imported-oil.html) the country spent on foreign oil last year. The burst in domestic oil will also help create well-paying jobs, especially in states like North Dakota, Wyoming and Texas, where the oil boom is centered. The continued growth of shale natural gas—along with existing supplies of coal and increasing renewables like wind and solar—means that the U.S. may well be able to meet nearly all of its energy needs itself (http://www.centralvalleybusinesstimes.com/stories/001/?ID=22271). And so many domestic resources mean that electricity prices are likely to be much cheaper (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c7ff93d0-28ef-11e2-b92c-00144feabdc0.html) in the U.S. than in Europe, which will aid industry. But the one thing politicians most want is the one thing the U.S. still won’t be: energy independent.


Read more: http://science.time.com/2012/11/13/the-u-s-will-be-an-oil-giant-again-but-it-wont-be-energy-independent/#ixzz2PM611gI6

Voted4Reagan
04-02-2013, 09:10 PM
A question for Jafar...

Are all Muslims on the Arabian Penninsula members of the Wahhabi sect?

You know full well they are not... therefore it is not just a decree for one sect as it is a demand for all of Islam from their equivalent of the Vatican.

Voted4Reagan
04-02-2013, 09:18 PM
for the record...

"The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia is the most senior and most influential Sunni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni) Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) religious and legal authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulema) in Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia). The holder of the position is appointed by the King, and the current incumbent is Abdul-Aziz ibn Abdullah Al ash-Sheikh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul-Azeez_ibn_Abdullaah_Aal_ash-Shaikh)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mufti_of_Saudi_Arabia

It says NOTHING about him being Wahabbi

Drummond
04-02-2013, 09:29 PM
Just so that I understand what Logroller's latest expression of disdain really adds up to ... is the case being made (or hinted at) that, on a point of principle, in order to fight a region's hostility to churches, it's necessary to starve the West of its greatest single source of oil ?

And this would best serve the West's, and America's, interests ... HOW, exactly ?

Here's a thought. Maybe they should apologise, by INCREASING oil availability ?

Or, should the West undergo a form of punishment, instead, as a product of making a stand ?

What would you prefer to see happen, Logroller ?

jafar00
04-02-2013, 11:11 PM
A question for Jafar...

Are all Muslims on the Arabian Penninsula members of the Wahhabi sect?

You know full well they are not... therefore it is not just a decree for one sect as it is a demand for all of Islam from their equivalent of the Vatican.

KSA has been ruled by the Wahhabi since the Sauds took over. The kind of people that tried to build a toilet block on top of the birth place of the Prophet Mohamed (saw) to stop people visiting it.

logroller
04-02-2013, 11:14 PM
Just so that I understand what Logroller's latest expression of disdain really adds up to ... is the case being made (or hinted at) that, on a point of principle, in order to fight a region's hostility to churches, it's necessary to starve the West of its greatest single source of oil ?
no. In fact that was exactly the opposite of what my point was.


this would best serve the West's, and America's, interests ... HOW, exactly ?
didn't say it would.

Here's a thought. Maybe they should apologise, by INCREASING oil availability ?
Maybe they'll look the other way when we invade another of their neighbors :fingers crossed::rolleyes:


Or, should the West undergo a form of punishment, instead, as a product of making a stand ?
Punishment? Its a consequence. They can sell oil to others; we can buy it from others. Its just not as good of deal as the one we get from the Saudis; nor for them, thanks to the security we provide in the region.

What would you prefer to see happen, Logroller ?
I would prefer that we either butt out of domestic affairs of sovereign states or apply the rule equally to all, irrespective of how we stand to benefit economically. not very realistic though. So I think we should preserve our domestic resources and use up all theirs.

Marcus Aurelius
04-03-2013, 10:59 AM
KSA has been ruled by the Wahhabi since the Sauds took over. The kind of people that tried to build a toilet block on top of the birth place of the Prophet Mohamed (saw) to stop people visiting it.

I'd pay good money to use it.