No Female Marines Have Made It Through Infantry Officer Training Yet.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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No Female Marines Have Made It Through Infantry Officer Training YetEven before former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta lifted the ban (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/24/panetta-opens-combat-roles-to-women/) on women serving in combat roles on Jan. 24, the Marine Corps had been experimenting with the move by letting women officers try out Marine infantry training.
So far, however, no female Marines have come close.
Last fall, the first two female volunteers dropped out from training at the challenging Infantry Officer Course, the schoolhouse that turns basic Marine officers into future combat leaders. Onesurvived for two weeks (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/25/few-female-marines-step-forward-for-infantry/?page=all) before succumbing to an injury, and the other left after being unable to complete the endurance test on day one (along with 26 men).
Now, two more women have dropped out of the course on the first day of training (along with 12 men (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17519782-2-female-marines-unable-to-complete-demanding-officer-course)), according to Dan Lamothe (http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20130402/NEWS/304020020/Two-more-female-Marines-flunk-infantry-officers-training) at Marine Times. In a statement, the Marine Corps said that 96 officers had passed the first-day screening.
The 13-week course is absolutely grueling, with constant physical and mental stress, and little sleep or food. Each year, 25 percent (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17519782-2-female-marines-unable-to-complete-demanding-officer-course) of the Marines who apply drop out.
"The women are expected to do everything that the men do," Marine Col. Todd Desgrosseilliers told First Coast News. (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/military/article/276558/162/Marines-test-women-on-infantry-course-for-first-time) "We haven't changed anything."
For example, the average infantry officer carries over 70 pounds of gear in combat — but it can typically be more with the addition of radios, extra ammunition, and heavy machine guns.
The Marine Corps will continue with the experiment — a Marine Corps spokesperson told us two more female officers would begin training in the summer — and a report from all the military services is due back to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel by May 15, according to NBC News. (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17519782-2-female-marines-unable-to-complete-demanding-officer-course)
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Appears the Marines can not find any women tough enough to make it all the way through their training course! Bravo!
Don't lower those standards! Don't dishonor all those fallen Marines that sacrificed so much..--Tyr

[cadet]

I bet they broke their nails...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I bet they broke their nails...

First two women dropped out along with 26 men!!! That gives me the knowledge tat its a very grueling course and they have not lowered standards to let the women pass!
Apparently the Marine Corp is/will be the last branch of MILITARY service to go full on PC.
I am guessing that Chesty Puller would be proud of that not yielding to the ever demanding bullshit political pressure.
Marine Corp so far so good.
If a woman makes it she damn sure earned it , which is as it should be.
I agree a woman makes it she deserves it and I'd celebrate her accomplishment! I am against this phony PC crap that has placed women in positions that they did not truly earn nor deserve..--Tyr

[CSM]

I have no doubt that there are women amongst the US population that could pass the course. I also have no doubt that they are rare. Additionally, I have no doubt that the US Military will eventually change the criteria for women in the name of "equality, fairness, and diversity".

[Noir]

I bet they broke their nails...

You've made it through the IOT yourself?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I have no doubt that there are women amongst the US population that could pass the course. I also have no doubt that they are rare. Additionally, I have no doubt that the US Military will eventually change the criteria for women in the name of "equality, fairness, and diversity".

I agree and that is a tragic reality. Its never fair or right to cheat the majority in order to falsely advantage the few. Does not matter the so-called "good intentions" of it all.

The road to hell is paved knee deep from start to finish with "good intentions"!!

Marine Corp, so far so good.... -Tyr

[cadet]

I have no doubt that there are women amongst the US population that could pass the course. I also have no doubt that they are rare. Additionally, I have no doubt that the US Military will eventually change the criteria for women in the name of "equality, fairness, and diversity".

And I have no doubt that those that could make it are butchy...:rolleyes:

[CSM]

And I have no doubt that those that could make it are butchy...:rolleyes:

There are female sports figures around that could probably make it; as to whether they are "butchy" or not, I have no incling. The point is that such training is very tough; losing 26 applicants (plus the two women) indicates just how tough it is. The requirements are set to test, train and keep the best. Modifying the requirements to allow more women would be a great travesty, IMO. I am not saying that women should not be allowed into combat roles; I am saying that the criteria set for selecting candidated for combat roles should not be altered (for men OR women!). Gender affectations have nothing to do with it.

[Robert A Whit]

There are female sports figures around that could probably make it; as to whether they are "butchy" or not, I have no incling. The point is that such training is very tough; losing 26 applicants (plus the two women) indicates just how tough it is. The requirements are set to test, train and keep the best. Modifying the requirements to allow more women would be a great travesty, IMO. I am not saying that women should not be allowed into combat roles; I am saying that the criteria set for selecting candidated for combat roles should not be altered (for men OR women!). Gender affectations have nothing to do with it.

I tried to find out about any woman who qualified for Army infantry and found none so far. Some did manage to become one of the team in the Artillery though.

Can you imagine some woman leading the way in any infantry attack saying ..."FOLLOW ME" but she is way back in the pack?

My heart goes out to the woman who actually wants to be in combat. I suspect that those wanting to be digging foxholes need to practice digging in hard ground she got snow off of before she decides she wants infantry.

Who besides me has the film series called Band of Brothers?

Can any of you imagine women at the Battle of the Bulge digging deep foxholes and enduring that bitter weather and having to see men get destroyed or women destroyed by artillery fire?

I endured some of that bitter cold weather in Germany and I admit I hated it. I happened to have the right job or I could have ended up digging latrines in that rock hard ground.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And I have no doubt that those that could make it are butchy...:rolleyes:

My guess is that they would not be pretty women. Then again as Marines that are trained to be killing machines so being pretty is not a requirement nor would it be an advantage . Better to have the extra muscle packed on than have the breasts sexy and figure with all the right curves in the right places.
I once dated a very beautiful girl that was a very good gymnast during her college years. She was very strong but I doubt she could make it through that Marine training course. Says a lot that 26 men failed it!!

[Robert A Whit]

My guess is that they would not be pretty women. Then again as Marines that are trained to be killing machines so being pretty is not a requirement nor would it be an advantage . Better to have the extra muscle packed on than have the breasts sexy and figure with all the right curves in the right places.
I once dated a very beautiful girl that was a very good gymnast during her college years. She was very strong but I doubt she could make it through that Marine training course. Says a lot that 26 men failed it!!

You better watch your back my friend. Kati told me she despises such personal stories and rips me as if I told mine to offend her.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You better watch your back my friend. Kati told me she despises such personal stories and rips me as if I told mine to offend her.

Don't worry Robert, Kati and I have a "thang" going on...;)

I am desperately trying to get a threesome going with
ABBEY TOO. :beer:--Tyr

"all posted in fun ladies" so don't shoot me..-tz

[DragonStryk72]

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No Female Marines Have Made It Through Infantry Officer Training Yet

Even before former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta lifted the ban (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/24/panetta-opens-combat-roles-to-women/) on women serving in combat roles on Jan. 24, the Marine Corps had been experimenting with the move by letting women officers try out Marine infantry training.
So far, however, no female Marines have come close.
Last fall, the first two female volunteers dropped out from training at the challenging Infantry Officer Course, the schoolhouse that turns basic Marine officers into future combat leaders. Onesurvived for two weeks (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/25/few-female-marines-step-forward-for-infantry/?page=all) before succumbing to an injury, and the other left after being unable to complete the endurance test on day one (along with 26 men).
Now, two more women have dropped out of the course on the first day of training (along with 12 men (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17519782-2-female-marines-unable-to-complete-demanding-officer-course)), according to Dan Lamothe (http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20130402/NEWS/304020020/Two-more-female-Marines-flunk-infantry-officers-training) at Marine Times. In a statement, the Marine Corps said that 96 officers had passed the first-day screening.
The 13-week course is absolutely grueling, with constant physical and mental stress, and little sleep or food. Each year, 25 percent (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17519782-2-female-marines-unable-to-complete-demanding-officer-course) of the Marines who apply drop out.
"The women are expected to do everything that the men do," Marine Col. Todd Desgrosseilliers told First Coast News. (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/military/article/276558/162/Marines-test-women-on-infantry-course-for-first-time) "We haven't changed anything."
For example, the average infantry officer carries over 70 pounds of gear in combat — but it can typically be more with the addition of radios, extra ammunition, and heavy machine guns.
The Marine Corps will continue with the experiment — a Marine Corps spokesperson told us two more female officers would begin training in the summer — and a report from all the military services is due back to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel by May 15, according to NBC News. (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17519782-2-female-marines-unable-to-complete-demanding-officer-course)
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Appears the Marines can not find any women tough enough to make it all the way through their training course! Bravo!
Don't lower those standards! Don't dishonor all those fallen Marines that sacrificed so much..--Tyr

Actually, at the Officer level, it's not necessarily about the physical end of things, though the PT standards are pretty rigorous. Like they said, a quarter of Marines across the board quit, and that's just the number that quit, which is completely separate from the number that are dropped from the programs. Most elite programs in the military have at least a 70% drop rate, with the Nuclear field having the highest at 90%, followed by the SEALs, with about 70~80%.

One point of fair mention, the one woman had to leave due to an injury, so she might be able to take another go at it depending on how well it heals up.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Actually, at the Officer level, it's not necessarily about the physical end of things, though the PT standards are pretty rigorous. Like they said, a quarter of Marines across the board quit, and that's just the number that quit, which is completely separate from the number that are dropped from the programs. Most elite programs in the military have at least a 70% drop rate, with the Nuclear field having the highest at 90%, followed by the SEALs, with about 70~80%.

One point of fair mention, the one woman had to leave due to an injury, so she might be able to take another go at it depending on how well it heals up.

More power to her should she return and complete the course. However, I'd bet a 20 spot that she does not give it another try.
I am 59 years old and know of only one woman that I'd bet could complete that course. She was smart, she was tough as nails. She worked at the second club that I worked as a bouncer. She looked much like a man, she talked like a man and she fought like a man. I saw and allowed her to beat the living hell out of her "live in" boyfriend one night when he made the mistake of slapping her. The guy was not a punk(in fighting ability) but she beat his sorry ass like he was one. Broke his nose and knocked two of his teeth out! I joked with the owner that I wanted her as my back up on the rowdy nights!
I heard a few years back that she was married, living in Nevada and had 5 or 6 kids! I bet her husband walks a straight line!
Always wondered if the husband was the same guy.:laugh2:

[DragonStryk72]

More power to her should she return and complete the course. However, I'd bet a 20 spot that she does not give it another try.
I am 59 years old and know of only one woman that I'd bet could complete that course. She was smart, she was tough as nails. She worked at the second club that I worked as a bouncer. She looked much like a man, she talked like a man and she fought like a man. I saw and allowed her to beat the living hell out of her "live in" boyfriend one night when he made the mistake of slapping her. The guy was not a punk(in fighting ability) but she beat his sorry ass like he was one. Broke his nose and knocked two of his teeth out! I joked with the owner that I wanted her as my back up on the rowdy nights!
I heard a few years back that she was married, living in Nevada and had 5 or 6 kids! I bet her husband walks a straight line!
Always wondered if the husband was the same guy.:laugh2:

My sister could do it, as can a number I'm guessing. However, of those that have the ability, a number simply don't have the inclination. Not that they are strong, just saying that they don't particularly want that. Becoming an officer is a huge step, as you're pretty much bound to be going for a career, which a lot of people are hesitant to sign up for.

I think as more women get into combat roles and shine, you'll see some start making it through the training, just like they have with Spec Ops training and such. Never underestimate a person who can push a watermelon out an opening the size of a lemon, and bleed for a week straight without dying.