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Trinity
04-10-2013, 05:05 PM
Another reason why I choose to homeschool/free learning............







The father of a Connecticut child is furious after discovering that his son’s school is teaching students that Americans don’t have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”
Boibeaux’s son is an eighth grader at Northeast Middle School.

On Monday his social studies teacher gave students a worksheet titled, ‘The Second Amendment Today.’ “The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

The worksheet, published by Instructional Fair, goes on to say that the Second Amendment is not incorporated against the states.
“This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”






http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html)

red states rule
04-10-2013, 05:08 PM
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Kathianne
04-10-2013, 05:46 PM
When a teacher gets so much factually wrong, it's time for an apology and a promise to do better. Without that? I'd fire his ass.

DragonStryk72
04-10-2013, 06:03 PM
Another reason why I choose to homeschool/free learning............







The father of a Connecticut child is furious after discovering that his son’s school is teaching students that Americans don’t have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”
Boibeaux’s son is an eighth grader at Northeast Middle School.

On Monday his social studies teacher gave students a worksheet titled, ‘The Second Amendment Today.’ “The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

The worksheet, published by Instructional Fair, goes on to say that the Second Amendment is not incorporated against the states.
“This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”






http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html)

SO.... MUCH.... STUPID!

Do I even need to bring up the point that the Amendment literally says "The right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"? Or that the DC handgun ban was declared a violation of the 2nd Amendment?

This is such monumentally incorrect information, I just don't get how the teacher thought it wouldn't get bullshit called on it.

Marcus Aurelius
04-10-2013, 06:06 PM
Another reason why I choose to homeschool/free learning............







The father of a Connecticut child is furious after discovering that his son’s school is teaching students that Americans don’t have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”
Boibeaux’s son is an eighth grader at Northeast Middle School.

On Monday his social studies teacher gave students a worksheet titled, ‘The Second Amendment Today.’ “The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

The worksheet, published by Instructional Fair, goes on to say that the Second Amendment is not incorporated against the states.
“This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”






http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html)

Assuming this is accurate, the teacher should be fired for completely buggering facts.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
04-10-2013, 06:24 PM
Another reason why I choose to homeschool/free learning............







The father of a Connecticut child is furious after discovering that his son’s school is teaching students that Americans don’t have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”
Boibeaux’s son is an eighth grader at Northeast Middle School.

On Monday his social studies teacher gave students a worksheet titled, ‘The Second Amendment Today.’ “The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

The worksheet, published by Instructional Fair, goes on to say that the Second Amendment is not incorporated against the states.
“This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”






http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html)

The teacher is not that dumb, he knows he is teaching lies. . He is a damn socialist indoctrinating the kids. He should be fired and some parent should stomp his SORRY, LYING LIBERAL ASS IMHO.-TYR

aboutime
04-10-2013, 07:03 PM
When a teacher gets so much factually wrong, it's time for an apology and a promise to do better. Without that? I'd fire his ass.


Gotta disagree with you totally on this one Kathianne. It's NOT time for an apology. It's more like a time for a DISMISSAL, or Outright FIRING. No amount of apology, or promises would work since the Children in question have already been Indoctrinated with FALSE FACTS.

Kathianne
04-10-2013, 09:09 PM
Where I differ with some. I've been through the indoctrination classes, once at 18, again at 38. Let's just say that at 38 i wasn't as naive. I cut slack, many of you should too. Unless of course you see yourselves as all knowing and without mistakes. Sort of like God? Really?

Robert A Whit
04-10-2013, 09:19 PM
Where I differ with some. I've been through the indoctrination classes, once at 18, again at 38. Let's just say that at 38 i wasn't as naive. I cut slack, many of you should too. Unless of course you see yourselves as all knowing and without mistakes. Sort of like God? Really?

Yet you cut me no slack on the thread with nut in the title. Have to wonder why or how that works.

You even persist on changing my name. Maybe you think you are God on my posts. I dunno.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
04-10-2013, 09:55 PM
Where I differ with some. I've been through the indoctrination classes, once at 18, again at 38. Let's just say that at 38 i wasn't as naive. I cut slack, many of you should too. Unless of course you see yourselves as all knowing and without mistakes. Sort of like God? Really?

Cut him slack if he is young and dumb . If he was not deliberately lying to indoctrinate the kids. Teach him the error of his ways and make him understand that another incident will end in his termination. I could go with that ..and I'm a hardliner.. -Tyr

aboutime
04-10-2013, 10:06 PM
Cut him slack if he is young and dumb . If he was not deliberately lying to indoctrinate the kids. Teach him the error of his ways and make him understand that another incident will end in his termination. I could go with that ..and I'm a hardliner.. -Tyr


Tyr. That's the biggest problem all of us have these days. Always feeling we need to cut them slack, while they take over, and pretend it was all an accident...as they promise Not to do it again. Meanwhile. The damage has been done if the children were the targets.
You know...You can't UNRING THE BELL!

red states rule
04-11-2013, 04:51 AM
When a teacher gets so much factually wrong, it's time for an apology and a promise to do better. Without that? I'd fire his ass.

Fire his ass? Good luck with that if he is a member of a teacher's union

This teacher is doing his job by indoctrinating kids into the upside world of liberalism

He probably will receive a commendation from the school principal

Jeff
04-11-2013, 06:50 AM
When a teacher gets so much factually wrong, it's time for an apology and a promise to do better. Without that? I'd fire his ass.


Kat my older boy came home a couple years ago arguing with me that WW2 caused the great depression , he told me his teacher told them that, I argued with him that he must of misunderstood and the next day when he came home he told me NO dad you're wrong , I had to show him dates

Just this week my youngest came home telling me that Vietnamese people live in tunnels underground and during the war we would go into them grab the first one and put a gun to his head and make him call his buddies in their language (telling them it is ok to come out ) and when they came out we would shoot them, yup another trip to the school is coming,( these liberal teachers make me sick) Trinity I am truly starting to believe the only way a child can get a good education anymore is home schooling

Kathianne
04-11-2013, 06:58 AM
Kat my older boy came home a couple years ago arguing with me that WW2 caused the great depression , he told me his teacher told them that, I argued with him that he must of misunderstood and the next day when he came home he told me NO dad you're wrong , I had to show him dates

Just this week my youngest came home telling me that Vietnamese people live in tunnels underground and during the war we would go into them grab the first one and put a gun to his head and make him call his buddies in their language (telling them it is ok to come out ) and when they came out we would shoot them, yup another trip to the school is coming,( these liberal teachers make me sick) Trinity I am truly starting to believe the only way a child can get a good education anymore is home schooling

I have to ask, "How old are these teachers?" Some of what 'kids' are learning in university is pretty wrong and one must believe it's intentional, IMO. Then they are sent out to spread the poison.

Jeff
04-11-2013, 07:34 AM
I have to ask, "How old are these teachers?" Some of what 'kids' are learning in university is pretty wrong and one must believe it's intentional, IMO. Then they are sent out to spread the poison.


Kat the HS teacher happened a couple of years ago and honestly I had never met her as for the situation now I will let you know this afternoon , the boys graduate this year to middle school and I am sure the vice principal is thrilled to see me go :laugh: But I am not one to sit by as my children are either mistreated or taught wrong , over all though the grammar school did a great job both boys have either been on the honor roll or the principals lists since they have started school and this last marking period they both are on the principals list so if they finish the year off that way I have promised them a surprise ( I better start saving , 10 and 11 years old and they want Iphones ) actually the phones they want they are allowed to use at school, they only work when in a wifi area but the kids down load all there games and stuff and now a days you can find wifi anywhere so they can text their friends all they want, but really they want to be able to get on FB, imagine them being able to talk to uncle Jim everyday :laugh:

fj1200
04-11-2013, 07:59 AM
...( these liberal teachers make me sick)...

Even where you live? :eek:

Jeff
04-11-2013, 08:32 AM
Even where you live? :eek:


OOO yea we have them , don't get me wrong we have good teachers as well and I am sure some of the good ones might even have liberal beliefs ( seems like the colleges turn many that way ) but the ones that would teach the things I spoke of or tell my boys what a great Job Obama is doing, heck we even had one explaining to my 11 year old son a couple years ago how Obama was a great president the reason the country is in bad shape was Gw's fault , that kind of thing should not be taught to the kids , at best it is opinion, but those are the ones that make me sick

red states rule
04-12-2013, 05:33 AM
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jafar00
04-12-2013, 07:25 AM
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So, this guy, if he ever gets out of prison should be able to buy a gun because it's his 2nd amendment right?

http://static.sify.com/cms/image/mhyoumiacch.jpg

jimnyc
04-12-2013, 07:32 AM
So, this guy, if he ever gets out of prison should be able to buy a gun because it's his 2nd amendment right?

If/when he gets out of prison, he will no longer have a 2nd amendment right.

Voted4Reagan
04-12-2013, 08:00 AM
When a teacher gets so much factually wrong, it's time for an apology and a promise to do better. Without that? I'd fire his ass.

Cant.... Tenure... Impossible to fire them.

Eliminate tenure and hold them accountable for every word they speak.

Voted4Reagan
04-12-2013, 08:04 AM
So, this guy, if he ever gets out of prison should be able to buy a gun because it's his 2nd amendment right?

http://static.sify.com/cms/image/mhyoumiacch.jpg

This is why Jafar should hold his anti-American comments.

JAFAR, in this country if you are convicted of ANY FELONY you lose your right to own Firearms.

before you try and be snarky and such, maybe you should know our laws first.

tailfins
04-12-2013, 08:13 AM
This is why Jafar should hold his anti-American comments.

JAFAR, in this country if you are convicted of ANY FELONY you lose your right to own Firearms.

before you try and be snarky and such, maybe you should know our laws first.

I join you in finding these comments unacceptable. In most US jurisdictions, convicted felons cannot even vote.

Thunderknuckles
04-12-2013, 12:08 PM
There are arguments on both sides as to whether or not the 2nd Amendment applies to the individual.
A good teacher would have discussed these arguments and asked the students to write an essay on their views with supporting arguments.
Unfortunately, this teacher is not in the business of educating, rather indoctrinating.

Marcus Aurelius
04-12-2013, 12:56 PM
So, this guy, if he ever gets out of prison should be able to buy a gun because it's his 2nd amendment right?

http://static.sify.com/cms/image/mhyoumiacch.jpg

you really should just stop posting. You don't seem to ever know anything about what your discussing, and only end up looking even more stupid.

Robert A Whit
04-12-2013, 01:22 PM
There are arguments on both sides as to whether or not the 2nd Amendment applies to the individual.
A good teacher would have discussed these arguments and asked the students to write an essay on their views with supporting arguments.
Unfortunately, this teacher is not in the business of educating, rather indoctrinating.

Though this country has 50 states with national guards, the final statement bans the Feds from infringing on our rights to keep and bear arms.

Little-Acorn
04-12-2013, 01:30 PM
So, this guy, if he ever gets out of prison should be able to buy a gun because it's his 2nd amendment right?

http://static.sify.com/cms/image/mhyoumiacch.jpg

EVERYONE who is out of prison, should be able to buy a gun if he wants to.

Which is why we need to change our sentencing rules, so that anyone we think should not have a gun, NEVER gets out of prison before it's OK for him to buy a gun.

Except horizontally in a cheap pine box, like the guy in your picture.

Thunderknuckles
04-12-2013, 01:32 PM
Though this country has 50 states with national guards, the final statement bans the Feds from infringing on our rights to keep and bear arms.
I agree with you. I'm firmly on the side of the 2nd Amendment applying to the individual. However, I acknowledge the arguments against this interpretation and I think a good teacher has a duty to present both sides to their students and make them think about what the 2nd Amendment means to them rather than presenting an opinion as fact.

Robert A Whit
04-12-2013, 01:37 PM
I agree with you. I'm firmly on the side of the 2nd Amendment applying to the individual. However, I acknowledge the arguments against this interpretation and I think a good teacher has a duty to present both sides to their students and make them think about what the 2nd Amendment means to them rather than presenting an opinion as fact.

If she teaches them that the Feds can keep them disarmed (argument of the other side) she is flat out lying.

People also ignore that the first 10 amendments were rights the people have.

This is important since rights are just that, rights. If the Feds can infringe on the 2nd or the others, they are not rights.

Thunderknuckles
04-12-2013, 02:23 PM
If she teaches them that the Feds can keep them disarmed (argument of the other side) she is flat out lying.
I agree. But that is not the core argument of the other side. The other side's argument is centered around the wording of "a well regulated Militia" to justify the interpretation that the 2nd does not apply to the individual as well as the Supreme Court case US v. Miller which is used to back up that assertion. On the other hand we have the Supreme Court case of the District of Columbia v. Heller where the court stated very specifically that the 2nd does, in fact, apply to the individual.

In terms of educating children, I think the best course is to ask students to analyze both positions as well as the intent of the founders and decide where they stand on the issue and be prepared to back up their positions with solid arguments. I would even take a day or two encourage a healthy student debate to get them to feel passionate about their positions. The sad part of this story is that the superintendent pulled the assignment entirely which does nothing at all to educate children on the 2nd Amendment.

cadet
04-12-2013, 02:42 PM
EVERYONE who is out of prison, should be able to buy a gun if he wants to.

Which is why we need to change our sentencing rules, so that anyone we think should not have a gun, NEVER gets out of prison before it's OK for him to buy a gun.

Except horizontally in a cheap pine box, like the guy in your picture.

There we go, what some people don't realize when it comes to people who just got out of jail is, they served their time.

Like when applying for a job. People who've just gotten out can't find any cause they're a convicted felon. Why not? They just spent 15 years of their life paying for what they did. Their punishment is up.

Little-Acorn
04-12-2013, 04:53 PM
If the guy you just let out of jail, is still too dangerous to own a gun, then why did you let him out of jail?

Sounds to me like you're admitting you blew it when you gave him a sentence that expires today, instead of a sentince that expires in two more years or whatever time you consider him "no longer dangerous".

red states rule
04-12-2013, 04:56 PM
So, this guy, if he ever gets out of prison should be able to buy a gun because it's his 2nd amendment right?

http://static.sify.com/cms/image/mhyoumiacch.jpg

He will never get out

Plus he killed those people in a "Gun Free Zone"

Some asshiole like you thought that was a good idea and would stop criminals from breaking the law

Trinity
04-12-2013, 05:59 PM
He will never get out

Plus he killed those people in a "Gun Free Zone"

Some asshiole like you thought that was a good idea and would stop criminals from breaking the law



"Gun Free Zone" hahaha
cause criminals always follow the laws. :rolleyes:

Little-Acorn
04-12-2013, 06:15 PM
"Gun Free Zone" hahaha
cause criminals always follow the laws. :rolleyes:

It was "almost" gun-free.

None of the law-abiding citizens there, were able to fight back.

Just like the fanatical gun-haters wanted.

DragonStryk72
04-12-2013, 07:35 PM
So, this guy, if he ever gets out of prison should be able to buy a gun because it's his 2nd amendment right?

http://static.sify.com/cms/image/mhyoumiacch.jpg

Nope, because even were he to get out, he would not gain back his gun rights, because he had those rights, and abused them. It's pretty striaghtfoward: Punish the guilty, and not the innocent.

My question is: Why do you believe that the innocent should be punished?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
04-12-2013, 07:37 PM
There are arguments on both sides as to whether or not the 2nd Amendment applies to the individual.
A good teacher would have discussed these arguments and asked the students to write an essay on their views with supporting arguments.
Unfortunately, this teacher is not in the business of educating, rather indoctrinating.

The 2nd Amendment is a right. There is no valid argument that it should be further limited or be nullified. End of story except for azzhats that want to teach/preach their version of taking away that right be it either all at once or by degrees.
As a patriot I do just think I know all those pushing for gun confiscation are damn traitors be they elected government official or private citizen.
Imagine doing the same to freedom of speech or freedom of religion and you get the depth of what I am saying. Its not ffing debatable except at what point to take a stand and draw a line in the sand!
We have already gone past that point IMHO. -Tyr

jafar00
04-12-2013, 07:51 PM
Nope, because even were he to get out, he would not gain back his gun rights, because he had those rights, and abused them. It's pretty striaghtfoward: Punish the guilty, and not the innocent.

My question is: Why do you believe that the innocent should be punished?

I was just replying to RSR's graphic which seems to suggest that the 2nd amendment is the only gun license needed.

Of course convicted criminals of the calibre of that nutcase should be banned for life. As should anyone who accidentally shoots someone, accidentally discharges a firearm even if it didn't hit someone or otherwise misuses a weapon.

Gun ownership should be a privilege with conditions, not a right. Guns are very dangerous in the wrong hands.

aboutime
04-12-2013, 08:09 PM
I was just replying to RSR's graphic which seems to suggest that the 2nd amendment is the only gun license needed.

Of course convicted criminals of the calibre of that nutcase should be banned for life. As should anyone who accidentally shoots someone, accidentally discharges a firearm even if it didn't hit someone or otherwise misuses a weapon.

Gun ownership should be a privilege with conditions, not a right. Guns are very dangerous in the wrong hands.


jafar. Since you will never know the freedoms, rights and liberties we enjoy here in the USA. Nothing you have to say about us means anything. In other words. You have no purpose here.

logroller
04-12-2013, 09:36 PM
Another reason why I choose to homeschool/free learning............







The father of a Connecticut child is furious after discovering that his son’s school is teaching students that Americans don’t have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”
Boibeaux’s son is an eighth grader at Northeast Middle School.

On Monday his social studies teacher gave students a worksheet titled, ‘The Second Amendment Today.’ “The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

The worksheet, published by Instructional Fair, goes on to say that the Second Amendment is not incorporated against the states.
“This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”






http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html)
What grade is this? I can see some relevance to the slaughterhouse cases (still standing law btw) which ruled that the fourteenth amendment's privileges and immunities didn't extend to limit the states' police powers; the Court held that the Fourteenth Amendment's Privileges or Immunities clause affected only rights of United States citizenship and not state citizenship. The McDonald v chicago ruling circumvented overturning that decision, but it did rule that an individual had right to bear arms for personal protection, thereby ruling a municipal firearm law unconstitutional. So I'd say that gives the paperwork a false rating on politifact.

Thunderknuckles
04-12-2013, 09:56 PM
The 2nd Amendment is a right. There is no valid argument that it should be further limited or be nullified. End of story except for azzhats that want to teach/preach their version of taking away that right be it either all at once or by degrees.
As a patriot I do just think I know all those pushing for gun confiscation are damn traitors be they elected government official or private citizen.
Imagine doing the same to freedom of speech or freedom of religion and you get the depth of what I am saying. Its not ffing debatable except at what point to take a stand and draw a line in the sand!
We have already gone past that point IMHO. -Tyr
Tyr, I don't think you understand the argument I am making. I am not arguing about the 2nd Amendment per se. I am making a point regarding how this subject should be approached in the classroom. Please read my other posts in this same thread. You can see that the Supreme Court has had to address this on several occasions and has evolved in it's opinion because of that pesky "regulated Militia" wording. Thus, the subject has been debated and as such I believe this is a great opportunity to have students analyze the arguments that have been made over time and determine where they stand on the issue and debate their points among each other in the classroom. That's good for learning, not having a preconceived opinion presented to them as fact.

Ultimately you can see that I personally agree with you. The 2nd Amendment is a right of the individual.

Thunderknuckles
04-12-2013, 09:57 PM
What grade is this?
It says Middle School in the article so I am thinking 7th or 8th grade.

red states rule
04-17-2013, 03:49 AM
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