WHY were our security forces 100% surprised by the Boston Marathon bombs?

[Little-Acorn]

We have an entire new Cabinet-level government division (Dept. of Homeland Security) created after Sept. 11, 2001. And their SOLE purpose was to watch for things like this and prevent them.

That was their only job. They had no other.

And somebody waltzes in, to one of the most famous, well-attended public events in the United States, one that everyone knows would make an IDEAL terrorist target, and right out in the middle of the street he dumps a couple of pretty hefty bombs in a couple of trash cans and waltzes away again, to sit comfortably at home and watch on TV as they blow a few hundred people into hamburger....

....and NOBODY NOTICES???

Not ONE of our hundreds of thousands of our Security people had the slightest clue anything was amiss, until CNN and Fox and even MSNBC showed the explosions in living color on prime time?

For starters, maybe we should make every DHS employee pay back their entire salary for the last twelve years, into the treasury. They've obviously not been doing anything to earn it.

Clearly, any terrorist in the world (or all of them together) can write their own ticket. I can't think of a better way to demonstrate to them, that Americans are sitting ducks, once again. In fact, we are more sitting-ducks now than we were on Sept. 11, 2001, At least THOSE terrorists were reduced to using little bitty knives with half-inch blades. But THESE guys happily mixed up their bomb stuff in their blender and microwave in their mosque basement or wherever, walked right out in public during intensive preparations for the Big Event, and placed them without turning a hair.

They weren't even very good terrorists: Reports say that several other bombs they placed, didn't go off, and were found (after the fact, natch) by police and either dismantled or detonated.

So these monkeys didn't just place two bombs without anyone even noticing... they place FOUR OR FIVE.

Where were our security forces? Accompanying Obama on yet another monthly vacation? Helping our RINOS grant amnesty to a few dozen million illegal aliens (possibly including our inventive little buddies in Boston yesterday)?

WHERE IN HELL WERE OUR SECURITY FORCES???

[/rant off]

[tailfins]

That's because "perception managers" are in charge. Just have activity and be "busy" with no regard to effectiveness. Everybody sure felt good seeing South Station look like a military regime is in charge. Fat lot of good it does. Prepare for more "theater". For an image, see the link below. I saw about thirty of what's in the image below.


http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4691088788816059&pid=1.7

[Noir]

Genuinly confused as to whether or not the OP is a sarcastic, or serious rant.

[Little-Acorn]

Genuinly confused as to whether or not

Yes, you are.

[tailfins]

Genuinly confused as to whether or not the OP is a sarcastic, or serious rant.

Why would it be sarcastic? It's a rant against incompetence. The American public suffers in two ways. 1: The "security theater" doe little to enhance safety. 2: It punishes the average citizen.

[Little-Acorn]

If I were Janet Napolitano, I'd be cringing and hiding in the deepest, darkest hole I could find right now. Even if she isn't appalled by the bloody deaths and mayhem, she must be so embarrassed she won't show her face for a month, unless Obama drags her in front of the podium by her hair.

But maybe she's used to the feeling by now.

[Thunderknuckles]

Well, according to Axelrod, Obama thinks this may be related to the fact that is was "Tax day". Who would have thought international terrorists would strike at us on a day like that?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/axelrod-obama-thinks-boston-bombings-could-be-related-tax-day_717924.html

Oh wait, this must be code for blaming disgruntled, extremest Tea Partiers for the bombings!

[revelarts]

With all of the surveillance and tracking etc they do anyway and the new billion dollar NSA electronics domestic tracking facility they are building. you'd think they know. they did know before at other bombings...


But here's an interesting report
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zYr_BxI88r4?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


So did they knew something? ahead of time.
local news.

[revelarts]

University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.
　
"They kept making announcements to the participants do not worry, it's just a training exercise," Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15.

Stevenson said he saw law enforcement spotters on the roofs at the start of the race. He's been in plenty of marathons in Chicago, D.C., Chicago, London and other major metropolitan areas but has never seen that level of security before.
　
"Evidently, I don't believe they were just having a training exercise," Stevenson said. "I think they must have had some sort of threat or suspicion called in."

CNN reports a state government official said there were no credible threats before the race.

Stevenson had just finished the marathon before the explosions. Stevenson said his wife had been sitting in one of the seating sections where an explosion went off, but thankfully she left her seat and was walking to meet up with him.

"We are just so thankful right now," Stevenson said.
http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

[aboutime]

Well. We all know, or have at least been told by the Obama administration
"There is no need to suspect terrorists, or terrorism exists here in the U.S.A."

Remember. We are forbidden from using such words, even to the point where the A.P. now has declared those words wrong.

If the Obama admin, and members of his Cabinet insist there is no Terrorism, nor are there Terrorists active...because they say so.
Then...the obvious answer to "WHY" as the title asked is..."Like 9-11, and the Bush connection conspiracy theories"

This must mean. Since everyone knows Obama is much smarter than Bush. The Explosions in Boston were the work of Obama!

This is all representative of the Liberal Fairness, and Tolerance they preach so much about.

Looks like blaming Bush has now been replaced with BLAME OBAMA!

[jafar00]

WHERE IN HELL WERE OUR SECURITY FORCES???

[/rant off]

Busy wasting their time profiling Arabs?


http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

An exercise?

There was an anti terrorist exercise running when 9/11 happened.
There was an anti terrorist exercise running when the 7/7 bombing happened in London.
There was an anti terrorist exercise running when trains were bombed in Madrid

Coincidence or irony?

[taft2012]

Here we go again...

"Because we can't be protected 100%, what's the point of law enforcement? Do away with them, and let's break out the weed dudes!"

In NYC we have the "Circle of Steel", a computerized system hooked up to street security cameras that will detect something like a backpack left unattended for several minutes and flag for the police to go and investigate. Very effective, but of course the weedheads don't particularly like that either.

But even that wouldn't cover an entire 26.2 miles marathon route.

There's been luck involved too. The guy who tried to explode his SUV in Times Square couldn't detonate his vehicle. That would have been a disaster as well.

A lot of people on all levels are working very hard on counter-terrorism efforts. We don't know who did this yet. Maybe they've learned to avoid the "internet chatter," the overseas phone calls etc., and plan everything locally with as few people as possible. If so, we'll have to adjust to their adjustment.

[tailfins]

Busy wasting their time profiling Arabs?



An exercise?

There was an anti terrorist exercise running when 9/11 happened.
There was an anti terrorist exercise running when the 7/7 bombing happened in London.
There was an anti terrorist exercise running when trains were bombed in Madrid

Coincidence or irony?


1: Busy harassing babies and the disabled so Arabs don't feel singled out
2: It's neither coincidence nor irony, but rather incompetence

[tailfins]

Here we go again...

"Because we can't be protected 100%, what's the point of law enforcement? Do away with them, and let's break out the weed dudes!"

In NYC we have the "Circle of Steel", a computerized system hooked up to street security cameras that will detect something like a backpack left unattended for several minutes and flag for the police to go and investigate. Very effective, but of course the weedheads don't particularly like that either.

But even that wouldn't cover an entire 26.2 miles marathon route.

There's been luck involved too. The guy who tried to explode his SUV in Times Square couldn't detonate his vehicle. That would have been a disaster as well.

A lot of people on all levels are working very hard on counter-terrorism efforts. We don't know who did this yet. Maybe they've learned to avoid the "internet chatter," the overseas phone calls etc., and plan everything locally with as few people as possible. If so, we'll have to adjust to their adjustment.

That's because the justice and law enforcement system stopped treating people like citizens. If you listen to a police scanner you here things like "I'm going to talk to a SUBJECT that appears intoxicated." I'm especially put off how the cops treat the destitute. It's basically an attitude thing. I have been to 49 states and the only two where I have seen cops treat ordinary citizens well are Massachusetts and Vermont. I have been voting conservative my entire adult life, but given the attitude of law enforcement, I begin to appreciate Ginsberg, Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan on the Supreme Court.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I have been voting conservative my entire adult life, but given the attitude of law enforcement, I begin to appreciate Ginsberg, Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan on the Supreme Court.

Well , I guess we all are entitled to make mistakes. No need to go about bragging about it .-Tyr

[darin]

A lot of people on all levels are working very hard on counter-terrorism efforts. We don't know who did this yet. Maybe they've learned to avoid the "internet chatter," the overseas phone calls etc., and plan everything locally with as few people as possible. If so, we'll have to adjust to their adjustment.

Arm-chair quarterbacking is a LOT of fun. People who become HindsightExperts (tm) don't care how hard people work to protect our society. Much more rewarding for the HE's to blame-storm.

[Little-Acorn]

Arm-chair quarterbacking is a LOT of fun. People who become HindsightExperts (tm) don't care how hard people work to protect our society. Much more rewarding for the HE's to blame-storm.

And when the people whose SOLE job it was, to detect and prevent such bombings from happening, get caught completely by surprise, and even two days AFTER the bombing they still haven't the faintest idea who did it, and can do nothing bu Monday-morning quarterbacking themselves...

...maybe your desire to criticize the victims is misdirected.

[darin]

And when the people whose SOLE job it was, to detect and prevent such bombings from happening, get caught completely by surprise, and even two days AFTER the bombing they still haven't the faintest idea who did it, and can do nothing bu Monday-morning quarterbacking themselves...

...maybe your desire to criticize the victims is misdirected.


what would you have do e differently? How do you know intel agencies have "no idea" who did it? You are basing your conclusions on information not neccisarily linked to fact. You are being an intellectual juvenile by suggesting I am criticizing the victims here.
I am criticizing people leaping to conclusions without insight.

[tailfins]

what would you have do e differently? How do you know intel agencies have "no idea" who did it? You are basing your conclusions on information not neccisarily linked to fact. You are being an intellectual juvenile by suggesting I am criticizing the victims here.
I am criticizing people leaping to conclusions without insight.

We are sacrificing a lot financially and with our freedom. Those involved should have to explain how we are getting a good return on our investment.

[jimnyc]

I'm reading now that they have perhaps identified someone and an arrest is imminent:


(CNN) -- Investigators believe they have identified a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, a source who has been briefed on the investigation told CNN's John King exclusively.

The breakthrough came from analysis of video from a department store near the site of the second explosion. Video from a Boston television station also contributed to the progress, said the source, who declined to be more specific but called it a significant development.
Earlier, a federal law enforcement source with firsthand knowledge of the investigation told CNN that a lid to a pressure cooker thought to have been used in the bombings had been found on a roof of a building near the scene.



http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/boston-blasts/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Thunderknuckles]

The arrest has been made. We should be getting an official update from Law Enforcement soon. Think they will release the name of the suspect?

[darin]

We are sacrificing a lot financially and with our freedom. Those involved should have to explain how we are getting a good return on our investment.

Security agencies will not reveal their complete measures because that puts people at GREATER risk. What I see here is finger-pointing.

Do folks realize real people, professionals manage things like Security and AntiTerrorism? Do folks realize our very best work in those fields?



I'm reading now that they have perhaps identified someone and an arrest is imminent:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/boston-blasts/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


b-b-b-b-but I thought they had "no idea"!!???!!! WTFOMG!! Could it BE agencies withheld vital information about their suspects to try and keep the suspect from fleeing?

[DragonStryk72]

Security agencies will not reveal their complete measures because that puts people at GREATER risk. What I see here is finger-pointing.

Do folks realize real people, professionals manage things like Security and AntiTerrorism? Do folks realize our very best work in those fields?





b-b-b-b-but I thought they had "no idea"!!???!!! WTFOMG!! Could it BE agencies withheld vital information about their suspects to try and keep the suspect from fleeing?

Speaking as someone who has worked in security before, the very best do not work in those fields. Generally, the very best work in private security, because they realize they can then have a security force that's top-notch, get paid better, and deal with less bureaucratic crap than in government work.

In fact, the excessive security that's been getting used nationwide the past decade is pretty well proof of that. When it comes down it, excessive security can be just as detrimental to our safety as inadequate security. The reason is pretty simple, because with excessive measures, such as checking some 90-year old great-granny's purse, the security team's attention is pulled away from other people and occurrences.

Having too much security can result in a lack of attention by the external and internal security as well. This happens internally because, once inside the secured area, people tend to assume anyone who made it through is supposed to be there. It hurts external security, because when you have too many security guards, they start to lapse in attention, figuring that there is someone else who'll catch it.

This is one of the main reason I object to the excess security at the airports and train stations.

[taft2012]

That's because the justice and law enforcement system stopped treating people like citizens. If you listen to a police scanner you here things like "I'm going to talk to a SUBJECT that appears intoxicated." I'm especially put off how the cops treat the destitute. It's basically an attitude thing. I have been to 49 states and the only two where I have seen cops treat ordinary citizens well are Massachusetts and Vermont. I have been voting conservative my entire adult life, but given the attitude of law enforcement, I begin to appreciate Ginsberg, Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan on the Supreme Court.

Again.... this is not any form of conservatism or legitimate libertarianism. Completely irrational.

"Because local police refer to individuals they're investigating as 'subjects' over their police radios, I support a complete dismantling of the US Constitution as written, an enormous expansion of the federal government, and diminishing personal freedoms. Except for personal marijuana use."

You *DO* realize that in the scenario that frets you so much, "SUBJECT" is not the same usage as by, say, King Richard III; "... and to all of my loyal subjects."

Its meaning is like the "topic being discussed."

I hope that clears all of this up and you can return to supporting a Constitutional government.

[tailfins]

Again.... this is not any form of conservatism or legitimate libertarianism. Completely irrational.

"Because local police refer to individuals they're investigating as 'subjects' over their police radios, I support a complete dismantling of the US Constitution as written, an enormous expansion of the federal government, and diminishing personal freedoms. Except for personal marijuana use."

You *DO* realize that in the scenario that frets you so much, "SUBJECT" is not the same usage as by, say, King Richard III; "... and to all of my loyal subjects."

Its meaning is like the "topic being discussed."

I hope that clears all of this up and you can return to supporting a Constitutional government.

I have no interest in weed. What I am interested in is cops having something called common courtesy.

[taft2012]

I have no interest in weed. What I am interested in is cops having something called common courtesy.

So you are willing to have the Constitution trashed by socialist-leaning maniacs in exchange for having the police refer to you as "the gentleman in question" over their police radios?

Hey, we all have our priorities.

[aboutime]

I have no interest in weed. What I am interested in is cops having something called common courtesy.


And the cops should Expect the same, in return tailfins. Look at how quickly everyone denounces, and blames cops for brutality, all the while. Those who break the laws, and disrespect the cops...demand better treatment, despite their law breaking, and disrespect???

[KitchenKitten99]

We have an entire new Cabinet-level government division (Dept. of Homeland Security) created after Sept. 11, 2001. And their SOLE purpose was to watch for things like this and prevent them.

That was their only job. They had no other.

...
WHERE IN HELL WERE OUR SECURITY FORCES???

[/rant off]

They were/are more worried about the little old ladies and kids in wheelchairs at the airport.

[aboutime]

They were/are more worried about the little old ladies and kids in wheelchairs at the airport.


Other than Janet Napolitano pretending to be something she isn't. How bout this?

Security Forces? 4883

[revelarts]

Did security forces Know TOO MUCH


quotes Wall street Journal and RT interviews
others


The Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewed suspected marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 at the request of the Russian government, but didn’t find evidence of suspicious activity and closed the case, an FBI official said Friday.

The fact that the FBI spoke with Mr. Tsarnaev, who was killed Friday morning in a firefight with authorities, is likely to become a focal point of the post mortem into how the attack was able to be carried out at the Boston Marathon. It also speaks to the challenge faced by authorities as terrorism morphs to some extent from the complex international plots of a decade ago to small-scale attacks carried out by individuals located within U.S.

RT would report that the mother of the suspect claimed the FBI had been monitoring her sons ever since, and led them along “every step of the way.” In an article titled, “‘They were set up, FBI followed them for years’- Tsarnaevs’ mother to RT (http://rt.com/usa/tsarnaev-brothers-parents-innocent-124/),” it stated of the suspects’ mother:


But her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. She is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act.


Interestingly enough, the WSJ also stated that (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324763404578433113880189762.html):


The profile of the Boston bombing in many ways resembles a number of the recent foiled plots, a federal law-enforcement official said. They have been small with little or no intelligence chatter, and have involved suspects who have been in the U.S. for several years and appeared to have assimilated.


What the WSJ categorically fails to mention is that these “foiled plots” were from start to finish engineered by the FBI itself, with suspects, just as Tsarnaevs’ mother had claimed of her sons, under “constant FBI surveillance,” and in fact led along every step of the way in the lead up to high-profile arrests. What is also subsequently left out by the WSJ is that during these undercover operations, real vehicles, weapons, and explosives are involved, and usually switched out for inert items right before the final attack and arrests are made.

One thing the WSJ is absolutely correct about is that the FBI’s involvement prior to the attack will become “a focal point of the post mortem into how the attack was able to be carried out at the Boston Marathon.”

While the WSJ offers nothing useful in examining that focal point, a look at the FBI’s “foiled plots” will reveal shocking implications about just how deeply the FBI may have been involved with these suspects before the bombing, shootout, and manhunt.

FBI’s History of Handing “Terror Suspects” Weapons and Live Explosives

In late September 2011, AFP reported that a man was charged with “planning to fly explosive-packed, remote controlled airplanes into the Pentagon and the Capitol in Washington.” In its report, “US man charged with Pentagon bomb plot (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/man-charged-with-pentagon-bomb-plot/story-e6frg6so-1226150993933),” AFP stated (emphasis added):
During the alleged plot, undercover FBI agents posed as accomplices who supplied Ferdaus with one remote-controlled plane, C4 explosives, and small arms that he allegedly envisioned using in a simultaneous ground assault in Washington.
However, ”the public was never in danger from the explosive devices, which were controlled by undercover FBI employees,” the FBI said.
Ferdaus was arrested in Framingham, near Boston, immediately after putting the newly delivered weapons into a storage container, the FBI said.
Authorities described Ferdaus as a physics graduate from Northeastern University who followed al-Qaeda and was committed to ”violent jihad” since early last year.
In addition to explosives and “small arms,” the FBI also provided the suspect with grenades. According to FBI.gov in a release titled, “Massachusetts Man Charged with Plotting Attack on Pentagon and U.S. Capitol and Attempting to Provide Material Support to a Foreign Terrorist Organization (http://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-releases/2011/massachusetts-man-charged-with-plotting-attack-on-pentagon-and-u.s.-capitol-and-attempting-to-provide-material-support-to-a-foreign-terrorist-organization),” it stated (emphasis added):


Between May and September 2011, Ferdaus researched, ordered and acquired the necessary components for his attack plans, including one remote controlled aircraft (F-86 Sabre). This morning prior to his arrest, Ferdaus received from the UCs [undercover FBI employees] 25 pounds of (what he believed to be) C-4 explosives, six fully-automatic AK-47 assault rifles (machine guns) and grenades. In June 2011, Ferdaus rented a storage facility in Framingham, Mass., under a false name, to use to build his attack planes and maintain all his equipment.

If bombs, guns, and grenades sound strikingly familiar to the arsenal allegedly wielded by the most recent “terror suspects” the FBI admits it was in contact with since at least as early as 2011, that is because it is – the standard terror-playset the FBI provides its patsies.


In November 2010, a similar “plot” was engineered, then “disrupted,” also by the FBI – this time in Portland, Oregon. The so-called “Christmas Tree Bomber” attempted to remote detonate a van he believed was filled with explosives, provided by the FBI, before being arrested during a Christmas tree lighting ceremony at Pioneer Courthhouse Square. The FBI’s official statement regarding the incident revealed that FBI agents had handled, even detonated live explosives with the entrapped suspect in Lincoln County in the lead up to the final failed bombing.

The FBI’s official statement titled, “Oregon Resident Arrested in Plot to Bomb Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony in Portland (http://www.fbi.gov/portland/press-releases/2010/pd112610.htm),” released by the U.S. Attorney’s Office on November 26, 2010 stated (emphasis added):
According to the affidavit, on November 4, 2010, Mohamud and the undercover FBI operatives traveled to a remote location in Lincoln County, Ore., where they detonated a bomb concealed in a backpack as a trial run for the upcoming attack. Afterwards, on the drive back to Corvallis, undercover FBI operatives questioned Mohamud as to whether he was capable of looking at the bodies of those who would be killed in the upcoming attack in Portland. According to the affidavit, Mohamud responded, “I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured.”
Upon returning to Corvallis that same day, the affidavit alleges that Mohamud recorded a video of himself with the undercover FBI operatives in which he read a written statement that offered a rationale for his bomb attack. On Nov. 18, 2010, undercover FBI operatives picked up Mohamud to travel to Portland in order to finalize the details of the attack.
Earlier this evening, Mohamud was arrested after he attempted to remotely detonate what he believed to be explosives in a van that was parked near the Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Portland, the affidavit alleges.
Yet another operation was carried out by the FBI in February 2012, where yet another otherwise incapable patsy was provided with live explosives in the lead up to what was ultimately a failed suicide bombing at the US Capitol. USA Today reported in their article, “FBI foils alleged suicide bomb attack on U.S. Capitol (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/nbc-fbi-nabs-suspect-in-alleged-bomb-plot-on-us-capitol/1#.UWyGhbhZg1J),” that (emphasis added):
According to a counterterrorism official, El Khalifi “expressed interest in killing at least 30 people and considered targeting a building in Alexandria and a restaurant, synagogue and a place where military personnel gather in Washington before he settled on the Capitol after canvassing that area a couple of times,” the Associated Press writes. During the year-long investigation, El Khalifi detonated explosives at a quarry in the capital region with undercover operatives. He is not believed to be affiliated with al-Qaeda, officials said.

The frightening trend of the FBI cultivating otherwise incapable “terror” suspects, providing them with and detonating real explosives, small arms and grenades before giving them inert or controlled devices to carry out attacks on public targets where mass casualties are averted only at the last possible moment, sets the stage for at the very least, incredible potential for catastrophic blunders, and at worst, false flag attacks.

But does this mean the FBI is capable of turning such operations “live,” resulting in real terror attacks and loss of life? Has the FBI ever presided over “sting operations” that were actually carried out? The answer is yes.The FBI in fact was presiding over the terrorists who carried out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The role of the FBI leading up to the deadly attack would most likely have gone unreported had an FBI informant not taped his conversations with FBI agents after growing suspicious during the uncover operation. The New York Times in their article, “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-thwart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html),” reported:

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.
The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City’s tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars.

[revelarts]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/21/boston-marathon-bombings-fbi-tsarnaev


The FBI (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/fbi)'s previous contacts with one of the alleged Boston (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/boston) bombers have come under intense scrutiny as questions were raised about whether it missed vital clues that could have prevented the attack, which killed three people and injured more than 170.
The bureau admitted that it had interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/tamerlan-tsarnaev) in 2011 "at the request of a foreign government", presumed to be Russia (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/russia), which was concerned that he was a "follower of radical Islam". The FBI said (http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/2011-request-for-information-on-tamerlan-tsarnaev-from-foreign-government) that it did not find any "terrorism activity" and appears not to have had any further contact with him since.
FBI agents were scrambling to review a six-month visit to Russia by 26-year-old Tsarnaev last year, during which he stayed with his father in Dagestan and is reported to have visited the family's ethnic home of Chechnya (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/chechnya).
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/19/1366380401012/-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-004.jpg Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Photograph: Corbis In Boston, special agents trained in the interrogation of high-value suspects were waiting to question the surviving 19-year-old suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/dzhokhar-tsarnaev), who remained in a serious condition in hospital on Saturday.
He was brought late on Friday night to Beth Israel Deaconess medical center – the same hospital where earlier in the day his brother Tamerlan died after a shootout with police. The Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick said on Saturday that Dzhokhar was in a serious but stable condition and was "not able to communicate yet".
As questions were raised about how well known the brothers were to federal investigators, their mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, said that the FBI had spoken to the family on multiple occasions. In an interview broadcast by Russia Today (http://rt.com/usa/tsarnaev-brothers-parents-innocent-124/) before the end of the manhunt on Friday, Tsarnaeva, a naturalised US citizen, said FBI agents had spoken to her in the past.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/Gallery_Images/2013/4/19/1366400498457/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev---Ameri-002.jpg Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Photograph: AP "They were telling me that Tamerlan was really an extremist leader and they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremists' sites." Tsarnaeva, speaking from Dagestan, claimed that the FBI were monitoring her son "at every step", and had been "controlling" him for three to five years. She did not give specific dates.
The White House said Barack Obama (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/barack-obama) had spoken to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, as the manhunt came to an end on Friday. "President Putin expressed his condolences on behalf of the Russian people for the tragic loss of life in Boston," the White House said in a statement.
Obama "praised the close co-operation that the United States (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/usa) has received from Russia on counterterrorism, including in the wake of the Boston attack," the White House said.
'Off the hook'But there were concerns in Congress that the FBI appeared not to have maintained contact with Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Representative Peter King of New York, a Republican member of the House homeland security committee, asked whether the FBI could have done more. "Did they move too quickly by letting this guy off the hook?" said King, quoted in Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/rep-peter-king-questions-fbi-s-2011-investigation-of-tamerlan-tsarnaev-1.5110152). "Should they have looked more carefully?".....

[taft2012]

The FBI has deteriorated into too much of a theoretical and academic branch of law enforcement. They're good at putting together criminal profiles, reviewing data, etc.

But their field work is a fraction of what it once was.

Sitting down across the table interviewing a subject? Forget it.

Oh, here:

http://twitchy.com/2013/04/20/best-thing-since-uncle-ruslan-viral-vine-video-shows-fbi-agent-scaling-open-gate/

[revelarts]

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[taft2012]

The FBI has the equipment to do top flight lab work and process data.

But if it was a New York City detective sitting across the table from this Boston bomber, the detective would have sniffed out the bullshit immediately.

The FBI has gotten so lame in this area that they had to pass a law making it a federal crime to lie to them (!!!).

If local police could charge everyone who has ever lied to them, virtually the entire country would be behind bars.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/21/boston-marathon-bombings-fbi-tsarnaev


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/Gallery_Images/2013/4/19/1366400498457/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev---Ameri-002.jpg Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Photograph: AP "They were telling me that Tamerlan was really an extremist leader and they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremists' sites." Tsarnaeva, speaking from Dagestan, claimed that the FBI were monitoring her son "at every step", and had been "controlling" him for three to five years. She did not give specific dates.
The White House said Barack Obama (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/barack-obama) had spoken to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, as the manhunt came to an end on Friday. "President Putin expressed his condolences on behalf of the Russian people for the tragic loss of life in Boston," the White House said in a statement.
Obama "praised the close co-operation that the United States (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/usa) has received from Russia on counterterrorism, including in the wake of the Boston attack," the White House said.
'Off the hook'

But there were concerns in Congress that the FBI appeared not to have maintained contact with Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Representative Peter King of New York, a Republican member of the House homeland security committee, asked whether the FBI could have done more. "Did they move too quickly by letting this guy off the hook?" said King, quoted in Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/rep-peter-king-questions-fbi-s-2011-investigation-of-tamerlan-tsarnaev-1.5110152). "Should they have looked more carefully?".....

^^^^ HE WAS MUSLIM SO HE GOT MULTI-FAVORED STATUS COURTESY OF OBAMA. JUST THINK HOW OBAMA CHANGED NASA..

[aboutime]

In a nutshell. America. 4895 Even beyond 12, as all of us now see.

[revelarts]

Updated: 7:39 p.m. Tuesday, April 23, 2013 | Posted: 6:23 p.m. Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Chambliss: Law enforcement agency may have had info about Boston bombing in advance

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WASHINGTON —
Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss (http://www.wsbtv.com/s/saxby-chambliss/) told Channel 2 Action News late Tuesday afternoon that a law enforcement agency may have had information in advance of the Boston bombings that wasn't properly shared.
"There now appears that may have been some evidence that was obtained by one of the law enforcement agencies that did not get shared in a way that it could have been. If that turns out to be the case, then we have to determine whether or not that would have made a difference," Chambliss said.
Though Chambliss would not get into specifics on the information or whether or not the bombing could have been prevented, he told Channel 2 Action News that they will find out if someone dropped the ball.
"Information sharing between agencies is critical. And we created the Department of Homeland Security to supervise that. We created the National Counter Terrorism Center to be the collection point for all of this information, and we're going to get to the bottom of whether or not somebody along the way dropped the ball on some information and did not share it in a way that it should have been shared."
The Senate Intelligence Committee panel was briefed by federal law enforcement officials Tuesday as well. Members of the panel said there is "no question" that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "the dominant force" behind the Boston attacks, and that him and his brother had apparently been radicalized by material on the Internet rather than by contact with militant groups overseas.

Younger brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's condition was upgraded from serious to fair as investigators continued building their case against the 19-year-old college student. He could face the death penalty after being charged Monday with joining forces with his brother, now dead, in setting off the shrapnel-packed pressure-cooker bombs that killed three people.
Based on preliminary written interviews with Dzhokar in his hospital bed, U.S. officials believe the brothers were motivated by their religious views. It has not been clear, however, what those views were.

Martin Richard, a schoolboy from Boston's Dorchester neighborhood who was the youngest of those killed in the April 15 blasts at the marathon finish line, was laid to rest after a family-only funeral Mass.

"The outpouring of love and support over the last week has been tremendous," the family said in a statement. "This has been the most difficult week of our lives."

A funeral was also held for Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer Sean Collier, 26, who authorities said was shot to death by the Tsarnaev brothers on April 18.

A memorial service for Collier was scheduled for Wednesday at MIT, with Vice President Joe Biden (http://www.wsbtv.com/s/news/politics/joe-biden/) expected to attend.

More than 260 people were injured by the bomb blasts. About 50 were still hospitalized.

[jimnyc]

Updated: 7:39 p.m. Tuesday, April 23, 2013 | Posted: 6:23 p.m. Tuesday, April 23, 2013

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Honestly, I have little doubt, based on reports, that the elder brother has been on various radars over the years. And again, the complaints are starting that agencies aren't set up to properly share information and other intel. I do believe there were failures AGAIN that could have perhaps prevented this tragedy.

All the more reason that we need to remain vigilant, and prepare better the various agencies to share info, not close up shops and de-fund.

[Robert A Whit]

Honestly, I have little doubt, based on reports, that the elder brother has been on various radars over the years. And again, the complaints are starting that agencies aren't set up to properly share information and other intel. I do believe there were failures AGAIN that could have perhaps prevented this tragedy.

All the more reason that we need to remain vigilant, and prepare better the various agencies to share info, not close up shops and de-fund.

One good thing about the city of San Francisco is there, the cops don't get caught like those did in Boston.

We often hear of some item being placed on the sidewalk and right away the Cops move all near it away and blow it up. If a person put down a backpack and walked off, the cops would move in fast.

We shall see if they stop being successful. San Francisco has some unique vehicles just to deal with such things.

[Robert A Whit]

Why does this country have an FBI or Department of Homeland security only to learn about this from Russia?

As has been said previously, we have Benghazi where the admin got away with the I DUNNO, form of reply. They did not even know about Fast and Furious.


http://news.yahoo.com/russia-contacted-us-twice-boston-bomber-180629848--politics.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss says the Russians contacted the U.S. twice about Tamerlan Tsarnaev (tsahr-NEYE'-ehv), one of the men authorities say was behind the Boston Marathon attacks.
Chambliss, of Georgia, says the U.S. was contacted once in March 2011 and again in November of that year. Another U.S. official says Russia provided the same information in both communications. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not allowed to speak publicly about the investigation.
Tsarnaev died in a police shootout.
The FBI has said Russia contacted the bureau once with concerns about Tsarnaev. The FBI said it told Russia that investigators found nothing to suggest he was part of an extremist group. It was unclear which part of the U.S. government received a subsequent request.

[red states rule]

It has come out Russia warned the US TWICE about the MA bombers

Next up Obama will blame budget cuts and Pres Bush for the screw up made by the FBI and other Federal agencies





The Russians contacted the U.S. twice about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the men authorities say was behind the April 15 Boston Marathon attacks, says Sen. Saxby Chambliss.


The U.S. was contacted once in March 2011 and again in November of that year, Chambliss said Wednesday.


Another U.S. official says Russia provided the same information in both communications. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not allowed to speak publicly about the investigation.


Tsarnaev died in a police shootout.


The FBI has said Russia contacted the bureau once with concerns about Tsarnaev. The FBI said it told Russia that investigators found nothing to suggest he was part of an extremist group. It was unclear which part of the U.S. government received a subsequent request.


Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Russians+warned+about+Boston+Marathon+bombing+susp ect/8289800/story.html#ixzz2RQwqp884

[aboutime]

One good thing about the city of San Francisco is there, the cops don't get caught like those did in Boston.

We often hear of some item being placed on the sidewalk and right away the Cops move all near it away and blow it up. If a person put down a backpack and walked off, the cops would move in fast.

We shall see if they stop being successful. San Francisco has some unique vehicles just to deal with such things.


THAN FRAN THISCO? Compared to Boston? That's almost like advertising the "VILLAGE PEOPLE" are the primary police who eat BEANS.

[red states rule]

The plot thickens





Boston Bombing Suspect Was Added to CIA Terrorist Database 18 Months Ago


New information emerged Wednesday from U.S. officials that the name of one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects had been added to a U.S. government terrorist database long before the explosions. At the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, more than 4,000 mourners paid tribute to a campus police officer who authorities say was gunned down by the suspects.


In a striking new development, U.S. officials said the name of the dead suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was added by the CIA to a terrorist database 18 months ago. The officials spoke to The Associated press on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing case.

The disclosure was significant because officials have been saying the U.S. intelligence community had no relevant information leading up to the April 15 bombings, which killed three people and injured more than 260 others. Inclusion of one of the bomb suspects’ name in a database for 18 months before the attack could prompt congressional inquiries about whether the U.S. government adequately investigated tips from Russia that Tsarnaev posed a security threat

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/24/ap-boston-bombing-suspect-was-added-to-cia-terrorist-database-18-months-ago/

[revelarts]

Suggestions floated that one reason the boy was left alone was becuase he was possibly considered a Chechen "freedom Fighter" against the mean ol Russian.

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Apparently we -- the U.S. gov't has been backing the CheChen rebellion lead by .. wiat for it ISLAMIC EXTREMIST... say it anint so.
Angain the war on terror --except when you terrorize one of our enemies-- may be bitting us in the but.

we are now supporting Islamic extremist in Libya, and Syria, and and extremist Cult in Iran we had supported Islamic extremist in Afghanistan.

The U.S. has to many connections with these extremist for my taste and it Completely belies the so-called war on terror.

people complain about the Rand Paul Flop Flop

how does this compare.
how do we fight terror but support terrorist we like under the table?

Or over the table

Former FBI agent Colleen Rowley – a 2002 Time Person of the Year (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,2022164,00.html) – points out (http://consortiumnews.com/2013/04/19/chechen-terrorists-and-the-neocons/) that the neocons also backed Chechen terrorists as a way to challenge Russia:
Chechen “terrorists” proved useful to the U.S. in keeping pressure on the Russians, much as the Afghan mujahedeen were used in the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1980 to 1989. In fact, many neocons signed up as Chechnya’s “friends,” including former CIA Director James Woolsey.
***
For instance, see this 2004 article in the UK Guardian, entitled, “The Chechens’ American friends: The Washington neocons’ commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/08/usa.russia).”
Author John Laughland wrote: “the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled ‘distinguished Americans’ who are its members is a roll call of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusiastically support the ‘war on terror.’

“They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be ‘a cakewalk’; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R. James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush’s plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines.”




http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/u-s-support-chechen-terrorists-fighting-russia-just-like-we-supported-al-qaeda-to-fight-russia.html

[revelarts]

http://www.peaceinthecaucasus.org/about

As of 2013, ACPC's website did not list its membership or board of directors. But in its American Committee for Peace in Chechnya formation, its board of directors was co-chaired by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Steven J. Solarz, and the late Max Kampelman (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/kampelman_max). The committee's more than 100 listed members reflected a wide political spectrum, including such figures as Richard Gere, Morton Ambramowitz, and Geraldine Ferraro. However, membership was overwhelmingly hawkish, and many high-profile neoconservatives, some associated with the Project for the New American Century (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/project_for_the_new_american_century), featured on its membership rolls, including Richard Perle (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/perle_richard), Frank Gaffney (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/gaffney_frank), Elliott Abrams (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/abrams_elliott), Midge Decter (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/decter_midge), William Kristol (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/kristol_william), Michael Ledeen (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/ledeen_michael), and James Woolsey (http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/woolsey_james), among others.[12] (http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/American_Committee_for_Peace_in_Chechnya#_edn12)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/American_Committee_for_Peace_in_Chechnya



the american conservative .com
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/chechens-and-american-hawks-an-interesting-alliance/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chechens-and-american-hawks-an-interesting-alliance


In an important column, (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/04/23/the-russians-warned-us-why-didnt-we-listen/) Justin Raimondo explores further the Chechen connection, which is not only the path to the older Tsarnaev brother’s radicalization but a Cold War leftover inside the Beltway and a cause dear to many neoconservatives. Because the Chechens are anti-Russian, they have many friends in Washington. Enough perhaps to influence the FBI to take Russian warnings of Tamarlan Tsarnaev’s terrorist connections with a grain of salt.
Raimondo:
The problem is that the Chechen “freedom fighters” are US allies (http://original.antiwar.com/colleen-rowley/2013/04/21/chechen-terrorists-and-the-neocons/), along with their ideological compatriots in Libya and Syria. When the Chechen rebel “foreign minister,” Ilyas Akmadov,” applied for political asylum in the US, the Department of Homeland Security nixed the idea – but were overruled by a bipartisan coalition of political heavyweights (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38200-2005Mar15.html), including Madeleine Albright, Alexander Haig, Frank Carlucci, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Ted Kennedy, and John McCain.In a letter of endorsement, Albright gushed that Akhmadov is “devoted to peace, not terrorism.” McCain wrote: “I have found him to be a proponent of peace and human rights in Chechnya.”


snip

Although support for the Chechen independence movement is bipartisan, that troublesome little sect known as the neoconservatives has actively backed the Chechen cause from the get-go: an impressive list of prominent neocons (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/08/usa.russia), including Bill Kristol, sits on the board of the Chechens’ principal US propaganda outfit, the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus (http://www.peaceinthecaucasus.org/) (formerly the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/American_Committee_for_Peace_in_Chechnya)). According to Glen Howard (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38200-2005Mar15_2.html), head of the Jamestown Foundation, a neocon outfit focused on Central Asia, the Chechens aren’t Islamist terrorists, they’re just cuddly “nationalists” rebelling against a Russia that has gone “fascist.” “The Russians are trying to treat Chechen separatism through the prism of 9/11 and terror rather than as a nationalist movement that has been defying Kremlin rule for 200 years,” says Howard. This analytical premise, however, doesn’t seem to apply to, say, Afghanistan (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3164a16e-8c9f-11e1-9758-00144feab49a.html).


This may explain why the FBI didn’t put Tamarlan Tsarnaev under surveillance after Russian intelligence informed them that he held six(!) meetings with a Chechen Salafist militant during his trip to Dagestan. There may well be a lot of opportunities for self-radicalization via the Internet for alienated young Sunni Muslims, but in this case there is also a real trail to leading to established foreign groups with a record of terrorism. The trouble seems to be that the FBI ignored it, despite specific warnings. Why?