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Marcus Aurelius
05-01-2013, 03:17 PM
Here are a number of Christian Saints, killed by members of the 'Religion of Peace'. Apostasy or refusla to convert to Islam, was their sole crime.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_Martyrs_of_Amorium#42_Martyrs_of_Amorium

Following the 838 sack, 42 officers and notables of Amorium were taken as hostages to Samarra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samarra) (today in Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq)). Refusing to convert to Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam), they were executed there in 845, and became canonized as the "42 Martyrs of Amorium".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_Martyrs_of_Amorium#cite_note-2)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abo_of_Tiflis

Iraqi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_people) by origin, Abo grew up Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) in Baghdad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad).
In 786 he was denounced as a Christian to the Arab officials in Tbilisi, arrested and tried for being a renegade from Islam.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] He confessed his faith at trial, was imprisoned, and martyred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr) on January 6, 786.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashot_I_of_Iberia

Driven by the Arabs from central Iberia, Ashot fell back to the Nigali valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigali_valley) where he was assassinated by renegades at the altar of a local church.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurelius_and_Natalia


Aurelius was the son of a Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) father and a Christian mother. He was also secretly a follower of Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity), as was his wife Natalia, who was also the child of a Muslim father. One of Aurelius's cousins, Felix, accepted Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) for a short time, but later converted back to Christianity and married a Christian woman, Liliosa.
Under Sharia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) Law, all four of them were required to profess Islam. In time all four began to openly profess their Christianity, with the two women going about in public with their faces unveiled. They were all swiftly arrested as apostates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy) from Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam).
They were given four days to recant, but they refused, and were beheaded.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Bashnouna

Saint Bashnouna (died 19 May 1164) was an Egyptian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) saint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint) and martyr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr).
According to his Hagiography, Bashnouna was a monk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk) in the Monastery of Saint Macarius the Great (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastery_of_Saint_Macarius_the_Great) in Scetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scetes). He was arrested by the Fatimid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimid) authorities during the caliphate of Al-'Āḍid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%27%C4%80%E1%B8%8Did), and threatened to face death if he were not to convert to Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam). Having refused, Bashnouna was burned alive on 24 Pashons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashons_24_%28Coptic_Orthodox_liturgics%29), 880 A.M.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Bernulf

Saint Bernulf or San Bernulfo or St Bernulphe (9th century AD) was Bishop of Asti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Asti) (now Italy). Traditionally, the Bishop was one of several (unnamed) martyrs put to death by Muslim raiders in the early 9th century.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Br%C3%A2ncoveanu

Through his death, Constantin Brâncoveanu became the hero of a series Romanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language) folk ballads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballad), as well as being depicted on some of Romania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania)'s official coinage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_leu). According to the Romanian Orthodox Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Orthodox_Church), the reason for his and his sons' execution was their refusal to give up their Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) faith and convert to Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmas_of_Aetolia

Accused of being a Russian agent, he was seized by Ottoman authorities. On August 24, 1779 he was executed at Kolkondas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkondas), Fier District (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fier_District), near the mouth of the Seman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seman) river (in present day Albania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania)).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulogius_of_C%C3%B3rdoba

However, in 850 the Muslims began to persecute Christians because some had spoken against Mohammed and converted Muslims to Christianity. They imprisoned the bishop and priests of Cordoba, including Eulogius. In jail, the saint read the Bible to his companions, exhorting them to faithfulness.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulogius_of_C%C3%B3rdoba#cite_note-ghezzi-1)
The earliest account of the Quran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran) in a language other than Arabic is credited to Eulogius, who translated Sura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura) al-Ahzab (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahzab) verse 37, around the year 857.
In 858, a virgin named Leocritia of a noble family of the Moors was converted and sought his protection against her irate parents. St. Eulogius hid her among friends for a time, but eventually they were all discovered and condemned to death. St. Eulogius was beheaded on March 11, 859, and St. Leocritia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_C%C3%B3rdoba#Leocritia) four days later on March 15, 859.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulogius_of_C%C3%B3rdoba#cite_note-butler-5)




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Filothei

One of her most controversial activities was to buy the freedom of Greeks taken as slaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave) by the Ottomans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottomans), especially women taken to the Islamic harems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem). Her activity caused a conflict with the Ottomans, who on one occasion imprisoned and tortured her. She was released, but on 3 October 1588, she was attacked by the Ottomans, who abused her so badly that she died of the injuries on 19 February 1589.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora_and_Maria

Flora and Maria were the first two of nine female Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) Martyrs of Córdoba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_C%C3%B3rdoba). After denouncing Islam to an Islamic judge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadi) they were imprisoned. Though threatened "with being thrown upon the streets as prostitutes", they were eventually beheaded (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decapitation).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora_and_Maria#cite_note-Christianity_and_Islam_in_Spain-1)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketevan_of_Mukhrani

Ketevan, "the Martyr" (Georgian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_language): ქეთევან წამებული, ketevan ts'amebuli) (1565 – September 13, 1624) was a queen of Kakheti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kakheti), a kingdom in eastern Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29). She was killed at Shiraz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiraz), Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), after prolonged tortures for refusing to give up the Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) faith and convert to Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_Komogovinski

Saint and Holy Martyr Theodore of Komogovo[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_Komogovinski#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_Komogovinski#cite_note-theosat-2) (Serbian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_language): свети мученик Теодор (Сладић) комоговински,[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_Komogovinski#cite_note-3) Teodor Komogovinski; 18th century) is a Serbian Orthodox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Orthodox) saint (holy martyr), who served as a monk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk) in the monasteries of Komogovina and Mostanica. When the Ottomans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire) burned Moštanica, they killed many monks, including Teodor whom they burnt alive after he refused to renounce his Christian faith, as well as a large number of Serbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs) from surrounding villages.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Laura

Saint Laura of Cordoba' (Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language): Santa Laura de Córdoba) (died 864) was a Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_people) Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) who lived in Muslim Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Spain) during the 9th century. She was born in Córdoba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba,_Spain), and became a nun at Cuteclara (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cuteclara&action=edit&redlink=1) after her husband died, eventually rising to become an abbess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbess). She was martyred by Muslims who took her captive and scalded her to death by placing her in a vat of boiling lead.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Laura_of_Constantinople

Saint Laura of Constantinople (died 1453) was a Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) who lived in Constantinople (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople) during the 15th century. She was born in Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece) from a noble family: her father was a Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latins#Middle_Ages) knight named Michael and her mother was Albanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites). Her name was Anna Trasci. After she became a nun in Constantinople, she changed it into Laura, eventually rising to become an abbess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbess).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Laura_of_Constantinople#cite_note-1) She was martyred by the Ottoman Turks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turks) who took Constantinople (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople) on 29 May 1453 and scalded her to death.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luarsab_II_of_Kartli

The Holy Martyr Luarsab II (Georgian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_language): ლუარსაბ II) (1592 – 21 June (O.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar)), 4 July (N.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar)), 1622), of the Bagrationi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagrationi) dynasty, was a king (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Kings_of_Georgia) of Kartli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kartli_%281484-1762%29) (eastern Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29)) from 1606 to 1615. He is known for his martyr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr)’s death at the hands of the Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire) shah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah) Abbas I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbas_I_of_Persia).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Malati

Malati was a scribe of Ayyoub Beck El-Defterdar, one of the Mamluks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk) of Mohammed Beck Abu El-Dahab. When the French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) under Napoléon Bonaparte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napol%C3%A9on_Bonaparte) occupied Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), they formed a department to look after national problems, and, with the consent of the Christian and Moslem members of this department, they made Master Malati its general manager.
However, in a disturbance at the time of Taher Pasha, the governor of Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), Moallem Malati was arrested. His head was cut off at Bab Zoweila in Cairo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Maloyan

In the summer of 1915, the Vali of Diyarbekir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyarbekir_Vilayet), Reşit Bey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%C5%9Fit_Bey), commenced the Armenian Genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide) in Mardin. Under the direction of Mardin's police chief, Mahmdouh Bey, Archbishop Maloyan, along with almost all of the clergy and faithful of his Archdiocese, was force marched into the desert. The column of deportees were escorted to a Kurdish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds) village, Aderchek, near Cheikhan (Sheikhan), where 100 of their number were taken by Turkish troops to nearby caves and murdered.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Maloyan#cite_note-1)
As he watched his priests and faithful massacred in front of him, Mahmdouh Bey, offered to spare the Archbishop's life if he would convert to Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam). Maloyan first professed his loyalty to the Ottoman State and then responded, "I've told you I shall live and die for the sake of my faith and religion. I take pride in the Cross of my God and Lord."[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Maloyan#cite_note-Pope-2) This enraged Mahmdouh Bey, who ordered the column to depart for a valley about four hours' distance from Diyarbekir. There, on June 10/11, the remaining 200 deportees were killed and Maloyan was personally executed by Mahmdouh Bey.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Maloyan#cite_note-3) The local Kurdish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_people) population stripped the clothes from the bodies of the victims, which remained untouched for five hours until they were all collected, doused with petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol), and burned.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Maloyan#cite_note-4)




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimun_XXI_Benyamin

In March, 1918, Mar Benyamin along with 150 of his bodyguards were assassinated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination) by Simko Shikak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simko_Shikak) (Ismail Agha Shikak), a Kurdish agha, in the town of Salmas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmas) (Persia) under a truce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truce) flag (see Assyrian Genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide)).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_C%C3%B3rdoba

The Martyrs of Córdoba were forty-eight Christian martyrs living in the 9th century Muslim-ruled Al-Andalus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus), in what is now southern Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain); their hagiography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagiography) describes in detail their executions for deliberately sought capital violations of Muslim law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) in Al-Andalus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus). The martyrdoms instanced by Eulogius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulogius_of_Cordoba) took place between 851 and 859; with few exceptions, the Christians invited execution by making public statements tactically chosen to invite martyrdom: some martyrs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr) appeared before the Muslim authorities to denounce Muhammad; others, possibly Christian children of Islamic-Christian marriages, publicly proclaimed their Christianity as apostates


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunilo_and_Alodia

Saints Nunilo and Alodia (died c. 842/51) were a pair of child martyrs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr) from Huesca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huesca). Born of a mixed marriage, they eschewed the Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) of their father in favour of their mother's Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity). They were executed by the Muslim authorities of Huesca in accordance with sharia law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law) as apostates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostate).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfectus

Saint Perfectus (Santo Perfecto) (died 850) was one of the Martyrs of Córdoba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_C%C3%B3rdoba) whose martyrdom was recorded by Saint Eulogius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulogius_of_Cordoba) in the Memoriale sanctorum (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Memoriale_sanctorum&action=edit&redlink=1).
He was born in Córdoba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba,_Spain) when the area was under the control of the Moors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors) (the Umayyad Caliphate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_Caliphate)). Perfecto was a monk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk) and ordained priest. He served at the basilica of St. Acisclus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acisclus) in Córdoba. Christians were tolerated in the area, but not uniformly. According to his legend, in 850, Perfecto was challenged by two Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) men to say who was the greater prophet: Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus) or Mohammed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed).
At first he refrained from responding, so as not to provoke them; but they insisted that he give them an answer, promising to protect him from reprisals. He then told them in Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language) that Muhammed was a false prophet and that he was an immoral man for supposedly seducing his adopted son's wife. The Muslims kept their promise and let him go, but several days later some of them changed their mind and had him arrested.
They had friends seize Perfecto (so as to not be forsworn) and tried. Perfecto was found guilty of blasphemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy) by the Islamic court and was executed. The legend says that Perfecto's final words were to bless Christ and condemn Muhammad and his Qur'an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an).
He was beheaded on April 18, 850.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Philotheos

Philotheos was born in Durunka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durunka), in the province of Assiut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asyut_Governorate). He was tortured by the Muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims) in an attempt to force him to renounce Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) and embrace Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam). He refused and was eventually martyred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhom_Bishay

Sidhom Bishay (died March 25, 1844[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhom_Bishay#cite_note-britishorthodox-1)) was a Coptic Orthodox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria) martyr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr) and saint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint).
Bishay was a government employee in the city of Damietta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damietta), Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), at the time of Muhammad Ali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhom_Bishay#cite_note-copticchurch-2)
He was falsely accused by Muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) of cursing Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam). Bishay was therefore brought to trial before a Muslim religious judge, who decreed that Sidhom Bishay must accept Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) and renounce Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity), or else be put to death (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment). Bishay refused to embrace Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) and insisted on his innocence.
He was whipped and brought before Damietta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damietta)'s governor, who confirmed the decree of the religious court. Sidhom Bishay was again flogged and put on a buffalo facing the tail. He was paraded around Damietta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damietta) in this state and subjected to insults and humiliation. Eventually, molten tar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar) was poured over his head and he was left outside the door of his home. His family attempted to nurse him, but he died five days later on 17 Paremhat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paremhat) 1565 A.M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_calendar#Coptic_year)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Massabki_Brothers

The Massabki Brothers (Arabic: الأخوة المسابكيين) (Abdel Moati Massabki, Francis Massabki, Raphael Massabki)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Massabki_Brothers#cite_note-1) are three maronites saints from Damascus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus). The three were brothers and children of Nehme Massabki. They were killed inside Franciscan church in Damascus while they were praying, by Muslims.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triantafyllos

Triantafyllos (ca. 1665 – August 8, 1680) is a martyr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr) of the Greek Orthodox Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orthodox_Church). He was born in Volos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volos), in then Ottoman-controlled (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire) Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece), and was taken captive by the Turks one day while he was working as a fisherman. He was tortured when he refused to renounce his Christian faith and convert to Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) and was eventually killed by his captors.

Marcus Aurelius
05-03-2013, 11:06 AM
I see Jahil looked at this thread, couldn't counter anything in it, and decided to keep his mouth shut.

aboutime
05-03-2013, 01:52 PM
I see Jahil looked at this thread, couldn't counter anything in it, and decided to keep his mouth shut.


Marcus. Maybe, there's an outside chance jafar has finally learned "YOU CANNOT DISPUTE TRUTH!"

Marcus Aurelius
05-06-2013, 07:23 AM
http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=635474#post635474)
I see Jahil looked at this thread, couldn't counter anything in it, and decided to keep his mouth shut.



Marcus. Maybe, there's an outside chance jafar has finally learned "YOU CANNOT DISPUTE TRUTH!"

Perhaps he's starting to realize his 'religion of peace' isn't quite as peaceful as he had thought.

Marcus Aurelius
05-06-2013, 10:21 PM
wow... I think I finally got Jahil to a point where even he can't defend his false religion.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
05-06-2013, 10:28 PM
I see Jahil looked at this thread, couldn't counter anything in it, and decided to keep his mouth shut.

Jafar has started to learn to pick his battles more carefully is my best guess. How could he counter anything? Its not like Allah really exists and actually advises the deluded people slavishly wasting their lives in its clutches..-Tyr

Marcus Aurelius
05-07-2013, 10:18 PM
come on Jahil.. tell us all how the people who did these things are not 'really' Muslim.