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Little-Acorn
05-03-2013, 10:08 AM
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

It starts with the obvious ones that no one can object to, of course: Felons, non compos mentis.

And the liberals assure us that the govt (that is, liberals) would never, ever seize the guns of anyone else. Why no, of course not.

Until they run across some group of people making plans to build up a truck-fertilizer bomb and park it on the Golden Gate Bridge. Well, of course it will be OK to seize their guns too. I mean, look at them! Maybe they haven't actually been convicted of any crime, but you know and I know it's just a matter of time. So we'll add them to the list.

And then the next.....

This has happened so many times throughout history, it's sad.

Except to liberals who KNOW that they, of course, would never continue such a pattern. So it's OK in their case.

And so it begins.

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Oh, BTW...

A very long time ago, I filed for divorce in California. It was granted, and my son lived with me for the next ten years until he went to college.

But during the proceedings, the judge enteres standard restraining orders against myself and my wife, each telling us not to harass, bother, threaten, or commit violence upon the other. Both of us had stated repeatedly that there had never been any violence, threats, or any other such things, from either of us, ever. But the judge simply said these were routine restraining orders, that were always issued in any such divorce, don't worry about them.

At that instant, I became a felon, since I was a gun owner. The so-called "Lautenberg Amendment", a Federal law, stated that no one who is under a restraining order that mentioned domestic violence, could own a gun.

Half a year later, when the divorce became final, the judge routinely rescinded the orders. Seven years after that, the statute of limitations on my "felony" status ran out. Finally I could no longer be arrested or convicted for the felony I had committed by owning a gun while I (and my ex-wife) were under those "routine" restraining orders.

Today's point?

Under the law just signed by Gov. Moonbeam, I could expect armed police or even a SWAT team to break into my house at any time of the day or night to arrest me and confiscate my guns... if the restraining order issued during my divorce, were still active.

Because I would be a felon in possession of a gun I had (previously) legally acquired... exactly the target of this new law.

Remind me again, please, that "Nobody is coming for your guns, you stupid redneck"?

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http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/01/local/la-me-guns-20130502

Jerry Brown OKs funds to seize guns held illegally

The governor approves $24 million to confiscate weapons from people who can no longer own them due to criminal convictions, restraining orders or mental illness.

May 01, 2013|By Patrick McGreevy, Los Angeles Times

SACRAMENTO — The state will send dozens of new agents into California neighborhoods this summer to confiscate nearly 40,000 handguns and assault rifles from people barred by law from owning firearms, officials said Wednesday.

The plan received the green light Wednesday, when Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation providing $24 million to clear the backlog of weapons known to be in the hands of about 20,000 people who acquired them legally. They were later disqualified because of criminal convictions, restraining orders or serious mental illness.

The bill is the first of more than a dozen gun measures introduced by California lawmakers after the December massacre of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

"This bipartisan bill makes our communities safer by giving law enforcement the resources they need to get guns out of the hands of potentially dangerous individuals," said Evan Westrup, a spokesman for the governor.

California is the only state in the nation to operate a database that cross-references gun owners with those who are subsequently disqualified from owning firearms. But budget cuts have prevented the state Department of Justice from keeping up with the list, which grows by 15 to 20 names every day, officials said.

Little-Acorn
05-03-2013, 12:27 PM
A commonly-quoted statistic, is that 50% of all marriages end in divorce. Wouldn't surprise me if the percentage were higher in the People's Republic of California.

So, California just became a "target-rich environment" for the paranoid gun-haters. They now have a law that enables them to seize the guns of ANY gun owner who's going through a divorce, no matter how peaceful and law-abiding he is, if the judge has issued these "routine" restraining orders that apparently get filed for pretty much every divorce. Even the ones where there has never been the slightest sign of threats, violence, or lawbreaking of any kind, by any of the parties involved.

The paradise the liberals have always intended, is upon us!

Thunderknuckles
05-03-2013, 12:47 PM
Well said Acorn. I did not know about the divorce - restraining order - firearm connection.
That is where the danger truly lays: In obscure legal connections that will, no doubt, be exploited to go after all gun owners.

Little-Acorn
05-03-2013, 01:15 PM
Keep in mind what the Supreme Court said in its recent decisions on gun rights.

The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. - DC v. Heller

The Heller decision affected only the question of whether you could have a gun inside your own home. The Justices were careful not to extend their Opinion to cover other questions - yet. So they included that disclaimer: Today's ruling does not nullify laws in other areas.

It's the usual court dodge meaning, "We'll decide those other questions if/when they are specifically brought to us, which today they weren't."

Gov. Moonbeam should have been careful what he wished for. It wouldn't suprise me if he sents his police to confiscate the gun of someone who is under a restraining order of some kind, as I've described, and the person they take the gun from sues them in court.

Such a thing could work its way up to the Supreme Court. And though the Heller decision didn't affect this new question... the later case will.

Gaffer
05-12-2013, 08:28 AM
All the govt has to do is check the gun registry for newly divorced people and they know where to go.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
05-12-2013, 12:41 PM
A commonly-quoted statistic, is that 50% of all marriages end in divorce. Wouldn't surprise me if the percentage were higher in the People's Republic of California.

So, California just became a "target-rich environment" for the paranoid gun-haters. They now have a law that enables them to seize the guns of ANY gun owner who's going through a divorce, no matter how peaceful and law-abiding he is, if the judge has issued these "routine" restraining orders that apparently get filed for pretty much every divorce. Even the ones where there has never been the slightest sign of threats, violence, or lawbreaking of any kind, by any of the parties involved.

The paradise the liberals have always intended, is upon us!

Sooner Cali has that damn big quake and drops about 100 feet deep into the ocean the better for us all IMHO. FFED up place full of raving liberal idiots, liberal lunatics and other assorted vile trash. Visted once about 35 years ago and even then when it was nowhere near as bad as it is now I knew I didn't like it and would not likely ever bother to revisit, I haven't.
However, I'd be quite satisfied in only Sadfransicko dropped off...--Tyr

red states rule
05-12-2013, 12:48 PM
First they take the guns. Then forbid the right to assemble. Then free speech. By then, it is too late do anything about it

aboutime
05-12-2013, 12:50 PM
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

It starts with the obvious ones that no one can object to, of course: Felons, non compos mentis.

And the liberals assure us that the govt (that is, liberals) would never, ever seize the guns of anyone else. Why no, of course not.

Until they run across some group of people making plans to build up a truck-fertilizer bomb and park it on the Golden Gate Bridge. Well, of course it will be OK to seize their guns too. I mean, look at them! Maybe they haven't actually been convicted of any crime, but you know and I know it's just a matter of time. So we'll add them to the list.

And then the next.....

This has happened so many times throughout history, it's sad.

Except to liberals who KNOW that they, of course, would never continue such a pattern. So it's OK in their case.

And so it begins.

-----------------------------

Oh, BTW...

A very long time ago, I filed for divorce in California. It was granted, and my son lived with me for the next ten years until he went to college.

But during the proceedings, the judge enteres standard restraining orders against myself and my wife, each telling us not to harass, bother, threaten, or commit violence upon the other. Both of us had stated repeatedly that there had never been any violence, threats, or any other such things, from either of us, ever. But the judge simply said these were routine restraining orders, that were always issued in any such divorce, don't worry about them.

At that instant, I became a felon, since I was a gun owner. The so-called "Lautenberg Amendment", a Federal law, stated that no one who is under a restraining order that mentioned domestic violence, could own a gun.

Half a year later, when the divorce became final, the judge routinely rescinded the orders. Seven years after that, the statute of limitations on my "felony" status ran out. Finally I could no longer be arrested or convicted for the felony I had committed by owning a gun while I (and my ex-wife) were under those "routine" restraining orders.

Today's point?

Under the law just signed by Gov. Moonbeam, I could expect armed police or even a SWAT team to break into my house at any time of the day or night to arrest me and confiscate my guns... if the restraining order issued during my divorce, were still active.

Because I would be a felon in possession of a gun I had (previously) legally acquired... exactly the target of this new law.

Remind me again, please, that "Nobody is coming for your guns, you stupid redneck"?

----------------------------------------------------------------

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/01/local/la-me-guns-20130502

Jerry Brown OKs funds to seize guns held illegally

The governor approves $24 million to confiscate weapons from people who can no longer own them due to criminal convictions, restraining orders or mental illness.

May 01, 2013|By Patrick McGreevy, Los Angeles Times

SACRAMENTO — The state will send dozens of new agents into California neighborhoods this summer to confiscate nearly 40,000 handguns and assault rifles from people barred by law from owning firearms, officials said Wednesday.

The plan received the green light Wednesday, when Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation providing $24 million to clear the backlog of weapons known to be in the hands of about 20,000 people who acquired them legally. They were later disqualified because of criminal convictions, restraining orders or serious mental illness.

The bill is the first of more than a dozen gun measures introduced by California lawmakers after the December massacre of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

"This bipartisan bill makes our communities safer by giving law enforcement the resources they need to get guns out of the hands of potentially dangerous individuals," said Evan Westrup, a spokesman for the governor.

California is the only state in the nation to operate a database that cross-references gun owners with those who are subsequently disqualified from owning firearms. But budget cuts have prevented the state Department of Justice from keeping up with the list, which grows by 15 to 20 names every day, officials said.



Little-Acorn. I know you would agree. But, If you and the rest of America would like a view into the future concerning the New California laws on gun confiscation. If you are old enough to remember how television in the late 50's, and early 60's was predominantly WESTERNS.
This was the topic of most of those shows.
But...this should help everyone. Just take a look...Possibly, at what the streets of California might look like...


http://youtu.be/FRiWAxMMX5o



DIANE FEINSTEIN SPEAKS AT THE END.............."All of you are under arrest!"

red states rule
05-12-2013, 12:53 PM
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