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revelarts
05-15-2013, 12:57 PM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02560/syria-black-flags_2560334c.jpgUnder the black flag of al-Qaeda, the Syrian city ruled by gangs of extremists The black flag of al-Qaeda flies high over Raqqa’s main square in front of the smart new governor’s palace, its former occupant last seen in their prison. Their fighters, clad also in black, patrol the streets, or set up positions behind sandbags.


The Islamists smashed up one of the two shops that sold alcohol. That much was pretty inevitable, the locals agreed. The other off-licence had already closed, as had the casino on the outskirts of town.

They brought in a radical cleric from Egypt to preach Friday prayers, and set up a sharia court in the city’s new sports centre with the support of other brigades. They had their fiefdom — an entire city to run only 60 miles from Nato’S border.

Then, one night, 10 men came for Nagham and Nour al-Rifaie, two teenage sisters from a well-known liberal family. They were at home with a family friend, Yusra Omran, 30, and their male cousin, 32.

“All these guys came in with guns and wearing masks and with handcuffs,” said Nagham, 19, a civil engineering student. “They started searching everything, and shouting.

“They were saying, 'Put on more clothes than you are wearing, put on a headscarf.’ I just said I’m wearing clothes and I’m not putting on a headscarf’.”
The men took them to the sports centre. There the girls were charged with being alone with a man and interrogated.
“The guy with us was so mean,” Miss Rifaie said. “He was speaking in a horrible way, as if he was disgusted to be with us.”
In Raqqa, a once conservative but by all accounts not religious city, the triumph of al-Qaeda’s Syrian (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/) arm, Jabhat al-Nusra, would seem to be complete.

Little known a year ago but suspected of having being founded by al-Qaeda in Iraq, they have grown in stature, leading many of the rebels’ most successful recent battles. Last month they publicly declared their loyalty to al-Qaeda’s supreme leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri.
Their new-found power is such that it is changing international calculations over the conflict. After first being discouraged from action by their presence in rebel ranks, Britain now has a revised diplomatic strategy.


David Cameron put it to Russia’s president Vladimir Putin on Friday and will discuss it this week with a nervous President Obama in Washington.
Mr Cameron’s officials now feel Jabhat al-Nusra has to be defeated by actively supporting the less militant rebels, including with arms. Many of Jabhat’s rival militias are being marginalised in cities like Raqqa across the north. On Tuesday, Britain will seek to have Jabhat al-Nusra added to an official list of sanctions at the United Nations.

In taking Raqqa two months ago al-Qaeda achieved its greatest coup in the war to date: it was the first provincial capital to fall outright to the rebels, and allowed Jabhat to assume a leadership role over a large swathe of north-eastern Syria, to the Iraqi border.
To many in it is a welcome development. “Jabhat are excellent for us,” said Abdullah Mohammed, a man from the nearby village of Mansoura. “They deal with us according to Islamic rules, so there are no problems. They are honest and they run everything pretty well.”
As a police officer, Mr Mohammed said he was in a position to know the difference between life under al-Qaeda and the Assad regime. He was in prison when the revolution broke out – he had stopped a car for jumping a red light and found to his cost it was being driven by a regime official.
He said he was in a cell with four members of President Bashar al-Assad’s Alawite minority sect, and when the protests started the guards were taken away to fight and the Alawite prisoners turned into guards.
Other locals too, particularly shopkeepers, say the all-pervasive corruption of the Assad era has vanished with the regime’s men. “I like Jabhat,” said Ahmed al-Hindy, who runs an optician’s shop. “They are better than the regime, at any rate.”

Part of it is money. Jabhat al-Nusra has always been well-funded compared to other militias – most people assume due to wealthy backers in the Gulf, though few have been able to track down the lines of the money supply.
Now they have control of good sources of income and can pay salaries. From the city’s main flour mill, they supply the all-important bakeries, and they have seized some of them too. At night, long queues of women form to buy their daily ration under the watchful eyes of Jabhat guards.
They have also taken the oilfields in neighbouring Deir al-Zour province. Production is hardly booming, but they are able to sell enough on the local market to keep cash rolling in.
It is not all plain sailing, though. Even in Raqqa, no single militia is all-powerful, even Jabhat, and they depend on an alliance with Ahrar al-Sham, another radical Islamist group.
They also have to deal with a slew of other brigades with a variety of ideologies.
The dynamic of Jabhat’s rise is being challenged out of both envy and fear, leading to clashes.
Two senior rival militiamen have been assassinated in the last 10 days: Abu Awad of the Farouq Brigade, and, on Thursday, the head of the Ahfad al-Rasool, Abu al-Zein. In both cases the method was the same – three men in black and masks drove up to the victims’ cars, shot them, then sped off.
Some say it could be a leftover squad of Assad’s Shabiha, but members of their militias point out both were known for support for a civil state, not an Islamic one.
Another militia leader, Abu Deeb of the Lions of Islam, was arrested after a fight on Tuesday with Jabhat al-Nusra that brought the city to a brief standstill. Different explanations have been given, but Abdullah al-Khalil, the civilian who heads the town’s interim administration, said it was over control of the town’s largest bakery.
“After Assad falls, there will be a second revolution, against Jabhat al-Nusra,” said Amar Abu Yasser, a battalion leader with the Farouq Brigade. The Farouq was once the most famous brigade in the Syrian revolution, spreading its power from its base in Homs across the north of the country, where it still operates several of the border crossings to Turkey, including Tal Abyad, the nearest to Raqqa.
But its power and influence has been severely curbed by Jabhat al-Nusra. Abu Azzam, the Farouq head at Tal Abyad, survived an assassination attempt when a bomb was placed under his car. ...

“The problem is due to ideology,” said Mr Abu Yasser, until two years ago a student of Arabic literature, now a tough, bearded warrior in fatigues and a black turban. “There is a conflict between the black flag and the revolutionary flag.” The green, white and black banner with three red stars made famous by the revolution still flies in Raqqa, but in a secondary place.
“It is not wise to try to make an Islamic state here,” he went on. “There are Christians, Alawites, Druze living here. It will just be a big problem.”
He also said Jabhat al-Nusra was not as honest and Muslim as it seemed. He claimed it had stripped the town’s factories and smuggled their goods, including nearly 200 tons of sugar, to Turkey for profit.
Jabhat has withdrawn into itself as tensions rise, and particularly since the declaration of obedience to al-Qaeda was issued, which confirmed its status as an internationally proscribed terrorist group.
It no longer gives interviews or defends itself from such allegations, and has banned its men from talking to foreign journalists.
Those its men stop at checkpoints in the city are accused of being “foreign spies”.

Some locals regarded as fanciful the idea that Farouq and other group would ever again have the strength to rise up and throw out Jabhat. But most proclaimed defiantly that Syria would not become a radical Islamic state.
“This is all just for the war,” said Mr al-Khalil, the town leader, who is happy to cooperate with Jabhat as he tries to re-establish schools and keep the water running.
A former human rights lawyer once jailed by the regime, he said he could tolerate the black flags for now. “But I think the modern Islamic project will win in the end,” he added, using a phrase commonly used to refer to a civil state with a Muslim ethos, like booming Turkey next door. He added a refrain repeated now across rebel Syria: it will be harder to keep the Islamists out if the West does not come to the aid of this “modern” project.
As a follower of Abu Deeb, the arrested militia leader put it: “This is a pact with the devil. We would rather ally with Obama than Jabhat.”
At first glance, Jabhat have tried to play safe. A small but visible minority of women go without the hijab, or headscarf. The town’s handful of Christian families have stayed put, for now: the churches are closed, but untouched.
But it may have made a major strategic error with its announcement of loyalty to al-Qaeda. It did not cause a big stir in the West, where the link had been assumed, but it shocked many who had begun to tolerate Jabhat’s presence.
Their main Islamist allies, Ahrar al-Sham, immediately denounced it. “It was like a thunderbolt,” said Abu Abdullah, 40, an Ahrar al-Sham fighter outside their main base, largely abandoned after being hit by Assad missiles. “It really surprised me and is unacceptable. Our goal is just to liberate Syria. We don’t care about other countries – we don’t want to go and fight in Iraq or anywhere.”
Then there was the arrest of Nagham al-Rifaie, Nour, 18, and their cousin and friend. That was a “what the hell?” moment, said Mohammed Shuaib, a student who has helped found a human rights discussion group, Haquna. It led a 500-strong protest to the sharia court the morning after the arrest.
But by then the girls were already free. What happened is a glimmer of hope to men like Mr Shuaib.
On arrival at the court, the girls were told they would immediately face two judges, local worthies brought in by the ruling Islamist alliance. It was one o’clock in the morning. Nagham was told to put a headscarf on. Again she refused.
“They said to me, 'It’s a sharia court, you can’t go in without a headscarf’. I said, 'That’s fine by me!’
“So we stood before the court with no headscarves on.”
One of the judges, a teacher called Mohammed al-Omar, referred them to the charge sheet. “He said, 'It says you were alone with a man, what do you say.’ I said, 'It is none of their business.’
“And he said, 'I agree’.”
The girls were freed immediately. They asked who the men who arrested them were, but no one was able to provide an answer. Whether the rest of Raqqa will escape so lightly, the girls could not say. “Things will become difficult, that’s sure,” said Miss Rifaie, sitting in a coffee shop last week with her father, himself a human rights activist, the two girls the only women present. “The problem is with the people. Because of the regime, if someone speaks to them who has power, they just sit there. But my father has taught me to have opinions. So I cannot stop.”





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10051207/Under-the-black-flag-of-al-Qaeda-the-Syrian-city-ruled-by-gangs-of-extremists.html

jimnyc
05-15-2013, 01:10 PM
Al Qaeda still killing and making waves? Who would of thought so! I hate to tell you "I told you so", Rev. It wasn't long ago that you spoke of them and dwindling numbers and their effectiveness. The shitty part, is that there are probably some American weapons in their hands by now.

revelarts
05-15-2013, 01:27 PM
never said they had stopped. just that there were very few. looks like we've got a bevy in Syria, that we are supportting instead of drone striking.
It's a double standard and shows the war on terror a to be a joke.

there are alqeada terrorist types in Libya too. in gov't roles and part of the rebels that took over from mean ol Gadahfi. we're not drone striking them either.

as amatter of fact, some of the same rebel groups are the ones that attacks the embassy in Benghazi. the people BOTH Obama and Romney and Ds&Rs in congress backed to power.

whats wrong with this picture Jim?

jimnyc
05-15-2013, 01:34 PM
never said they had stopped. just that there were very few. looks like we've got a bevy in Syria, that we are supportting instead of drone striking.
It's a double standard and shows the war on terror a to be a joke.

there are alqeada terrorist types in Libya too. in gov't roles and part of the rebels that took over from mean ol Gadahfi. we're not drone striking them either.

as amatter of fact, some of the same rebel groups are the ones that attacks the embassy in Benghazi. the people BOTH Obama and Romney and Ds&Rs in congress backed to power.

whats wrong with this picture Jim?

I agree, Rev, there is much too wrong. I'm of the belief now that we should just steer clear of Syria, let the Islamic world step in to help them if they need it. I have no desire to see our country, help militarily or with $$, to any country that is not an active ally. No doubt any assistance there will likely be funneled so AQ, who has sworn to bring America to her knees. I know there are a lot of innocent civilians over there, but other countries weapons and military can free them just the same.

What countries within the Islamic world do have the power to help others militarily?

aboutime
05-15-2013, 01:37 PM
never said they had stopped. just that there were very few. looks like we've got a bevy in Syria, that we are supportting instead of drone striking.
It's a double standard and shows the war on terror a to be a joke.

there are alqeada terrorist types in Libya too. in gov't roles and part of the rebels that took over from mean ol Gadahfi. we're not drone striking them either.

as amatter of fact, some of the same rebel groups are the ones that attacks the embassy in Benghazi. the people BOTH Obama and Romney and Ds&Rs in congress backed to power.

whats wrong with this picture Jim?


Rev. Considering everything you stated above. Why would Obama, or members of the Democrat Congress, send Drones to attack HIS and THEIR FRIENDS in the Brotherhood????

revelarts
05-20-2013, 01:16 PM
the Free syrian Army FSA
Has some guys in it that claim to be part of the OSAMA BIN LADEN brigade.
Bad enough that the Larger Group Al Nursra is made up of people who fought us in Iraq (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/world/middleeast/syrian-rebels-tied-to-al-qaeda-play-key-role-in-war.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0).



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sarcasm alert:
lets send these guys some money, advisers and weapons ..
they are spread'in some ol fashion Sunni freedom in Syria.

revelarts
07-09-2013, 08:45 PM
Heart Eating Syrian Rebel Jihadist Demands U.S. Aid.


In an interview with the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23190533), FSA fighter Abu Sakkar, who prompted international condemnation back in May when video emerged of him cutting off and eating the internal organ of a Syrian Army soldier as his comrades chanted “Allahu Akbar,” is unrepentant and actually threatens to commit more gruesome acts unless the Obama administration sends the rebels heavy weapons.


Pillorying the west for doing nothing to help the rebels, Sakkar complains, “If we don’t get help, a no-fly zone, heavy weapons, we will do worse [than I did]. You’ve seen nothing yet.”


Sakkar’s act of cannibalism served to confirm that both Obama and Prime Minister David Cameron were seeking to arm some of the most violent and extreme jihadists in the region, prompting Vladimir Putin to remark, “These are people who don’t just kill their enemies, they open up their bodies, and eat their intestines in front of the public and the cameras. Are these the people you want to… supply with weapons?”

Despite FSA leaders promising to bring him to justice, Sakkar is still a free man months later giving interviews with major international media organizations, again illustrating how rebel promises to expunge their ranks of extremists are nothing more than hot air. The BBC’s Paul Wood goes a long way to pardoning Sakkar for his heart-eating antics, fixating on unproven claims that the victim was a rapist and that Sakkar had a tough life.


The comments of the heart-eating cannibal again underscores the lunacy of the policy recently embarked upon by the Obama administration – sending heavy weaponry to militant jihadists who commit atrocities in Syria on a routine basis.


Last week we reported (http://www.prisonplanet.com/fsa-rebel-suicide-bomber-vows-to-attack-us-europe.html) on the FSA fighter who vowed to attack the US and Europe once he is finished in Syria, expressing his desire to kill all Jews and Christians.

As we have exhaustively documented, the western-backed FSA rebels have now firmly joined forces with Al-Qaeda terrorists who killed U.S. troops in Iraq and who continue to commit vile acts of barbarity – the latest example being the serial rape and slaughter of a 15-year-old Christian girl (http://www.aina.org/news/20130707141558.htm)named Mariam.

- Immediately after the State Department declared Jabhat al-Nusra (the primary fighting force in Syria attempting to topple Assad) a terrorist organization, 29 different FSA rebel outfits pledged allegiance to the Al-Qaeda group, (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9735988/Syrian-rebels-defy-US-and-pledge-allegiance-to-jihadi-group.html) which previously killed U.S. troops in Iraq.

- A top FSA General recently told Al-Jazeera (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=53a_1371637813) that the FSA is co-operating with Al-Nusra.

- FSA rebels are defecting to Jabhat al-Nusra (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/08/free-syrian-army-rebels-defect-islamist-group) in droves.

- FSA rebels have vowed to “fight the U.S.” (http://www.infowars.com/syrian-rebels-when-we-finish-with-assad-we-will-fight-the-u-s/) once they finish with Bashar Al-Assad.

- FSA rebels have been filmed burning US and Israeli flags (http://www.infowars.com/new-video-shows-obama-backed-syrian-rebels-burning-u-s-flag/) on more than one occasion.

- FSA rebels have been filmed on previous occasions singing songs that glorify Osama Bin Laden (http://www.infowars.com/obama-backed-syrian-rebels-praise-bin-laden-celebrate-911-attacks/) and the 9/11 attacks.

- One FSA group even calls its fighting unit the “Osama Bin Laden” brigade (http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-backed-fsa-rebels-name-their-brigade-osama-bin-laden.html).

- Another video shows FSA rebels chanting, “We are all with Osama bin Laden!” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqoKGahqg88)

- FSA rebels have voiced their desire to see the Al-Qaeda flag fly over the White House (http://www.infowars.com/fsa-rebel-we-wont-stop-until-al-qaeda-flag-raised-over-white-house/) once the rebels are victorious across the region.




Seems to me if we are going to drone strike anyone, these guys need to be on the list.
How can ANY U.S. Representative even consider giving these people or their "good" Allies anything.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-09-2013, 09:02 PM
Yet again Obama aids our enemies. Strange how he manages to always get it wrong. Or is it??? --Tyr

aboutime
07-09-2013, 09:31 PM
Yet again Obama aids our enemies. Strange how he manages to always get it wrong. Or is it??? --Tyr


Tyr. Using Obama's brain, and his knowledge of anything taking place in the Middle East.

This is all Obama could come up with....5220

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-09-2013, 09:35 PM
Tyr. Using Obama's brain, and his knowledge of anything taking place in the Middle East.

This is all Obama could come up with....5220 Very funny but don't ever think that he doesn't know exactly who he aids... He deliberately aids our enemies, the muslim terrorists..

aboutime
07-09-2013, 09:38 PM
Very funny but don't ever think that he doesn't know exactly who he aids... He deliberately aids our enemies, the muslim terrorists..


Oh, I know all too well how Obama is aiding, and abetting our Enemies. That is the only way he can get the approval of terrorists BEFORE they try to attack us again. As he hopes to convince them to LEAVE HIM ALONE.

revelarts
07-09-2013, 09:48 PM
Yet again Obama aids our enemies. Strange how he manages to always get it wrong. Or is it??? --Tyr

Yes, Obama (D), McCain (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/sen-john-mccain-trip-syria-visit-rebels-article-1.1355821)(R) and Crazy Lindsey Graham (http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-lindsey-graham-rips-obama-on-syria/article/2531957)(R).

It makes zero sense. there must be an unknown agenda because arming our supposed worst enemies to help them up to a seat of power over a country is crazy.

revelarts
07-09-2013, 09:56 PM
Where's Drummond to call McCain and Lindsey Graham "liberal" terrorist appeasers, when you need him?
Where's the Outrage for even considering helping alqeada? giving them weapons what the freaking queen Elizabeth is that about.
It's flat treason.
We don't have to Kill EVERY alqeada fine, but we SURE as H3LL don't put weapons in their hands.
i really cant get over it, soory if i'm just reaping myself,
I'm just flabbergasted that Obama and his Republican and NATO buddies still want us to by this double think.

avatar4321
07-10-2013, 12:58 AM
So did we help them get that city?

jafar00
07-10-2013, 04:56 AM
Maybe the US should have helped the Syrians when they asked for it in the beginning. They had to begrudgingly accept help from the only ones who offered. Al Qaeda and now they will suffer swapping one tyrant for another. This is terrible for Syria.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-10-2013, 10:44 AM
Where's Drummond to call McCain and Lindsey Graham "liberal" terrorist appeasers, when you need him?
Where's the Outrage for even considering helping alqeada? giving them weapons what the freaking queen Elizabeth is that about.
It's flat treason.
We don't have to Kill EVERY alqeada fine, but we SURE as H3LL don't put weapons in their hands.
i really cant get over it, soory if i'm just reaping myself,
I'm just flabbergasted that Obama and his Republican and NATO buddies still want us to by this double think. Not trying to speak for him but my friend Drummond likely will call them that because I certainly do and Obama too. It is pure treason to arm our sworn enemies like that. McCain is a sold out lying old bastard and Gramnasty is a worthless lying ffing shill. BOTH ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY DAMN GLOBALISTS.--Tyr

avatar4321
07-10-2013, 08:27 PM
Maybe the US should have helped the Syrians when they asked for it in the beginning. They had to begrudgingly accept help from the only ones who offered. Al Qaeda and now they will suffer swapping one tyrant for another. This is terrible for Syria.

Maybe we shouldn't be helping any of these tyrants.

Marcus Aurelius
07-10-2013, 10:03 PM
Maybe the US should have helped the Syrians when they asked for it in the beginning. They had to begrudgingly accept help from the only ones who offered. Al Qaeda and now they will suffer swapping one tyrant for another. This is terrible for Syria.

make up your mind, dumb ass. Either you want the US to stay out of other countries business, or you want us to involve ourselves in other countries business.

revelarts
07-24-2013, 11:06 AM
U.S. Arms "somehow" end up in the hands of Syrian rebels.
where's the anti "assault weapons" lobby when you need them?

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Secret Military aid to the Contra...I mean Syrian -alqeada- rebels? Can't say for sure.

Drummond
07-24-2013, 12:47 PM
Yes, Obama (D), McCain (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/sen-john-mccain-trip-syria-visit-rebels-article-1.1355821)(R) and Crazy Lindsey Graham (http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-lindsey-graham-rips-obama-on-syria/article/2531957)(R).

It makes zero sense. there must be an unknown agenda because arming our supposed worst enemies to help them up to a seat of power over a country is crazy.

Ah, are you back on that 'You'd be wise not to vote for anyone .. especially Republicans' line once more ?

The argument about splitting votes and sending them to third Parties failed to really gain ground .. eh ?

Drummond
07-24-2013, 12:49 PM
make up your mind, dumb ass. Either you want the US to stay out of other countries business, or you want us to involve ourselves in other countries business.

... yep. Says it for me as well.

Drummond
07-24-2013, 12:52 PM
Not trying to speak for him but my friend Drummond likely will call them that because I certainly do and Obama too. It is pure treason to arm our sworn enemies like that. McCain is a sold out lying old bastard and Gramnasty is a worthless lying ffing shill. BOTH ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY DAMN GLOBALISTS.--Tyr

... and I agree. There's no excuse at all for their positions.

HOWEVER ... Tyr, don't play Revelarts' game. He's already tried to persuade people here to deflect votes away from the major Parties and towards minor Parties, where they will be wasted. I see this as more of the same.

revelarts
07-24-2013, 12:56 PM
... and I agree. There's no excuse at all for their positions.

HOWEVER ... Tyr, don't play Revelarts' game. He's already tried to persuade people here to deflect votes away from the major Parties and towards minor Parties, where they will be wasted. I see this as more of the same.

so you'd vote FOR people that will send weapons to al qeada?
As long as they are Republicans.
no problem.

aboutime
07-25-2013, 06:14 PM
so you'd vote FOR people that will send weapons to al qeada?
As long as they are Republicans.
no problem.


rev. All of what you said above tells the rest of us. You would prefer to go the Obama/Liberal route, and send F-15's to the Muslim Brotherhood???

Two wrongs will never make a right. Tell us which Republican you say would do that?