Blacks Have a Criminal Mentality

[BillyBob]

Yes, it's true. Blacks in the US commit murder and other violent crimes 7 times more frequently than whites per capita. They are a culture of violence, irresponsibility, murder, rape, stupidity, laziness and crappy music.

They are the blight of our society. So the question is, what should we do about it?

[WiccanLiberal]

Not impressed with your statistics. Especially when you consider that the pediatrician who saved my little sister in the middle of a seizure was African American. His house was across the street and he was not even on call at the time but his partner was. They both came to the house. One of my best friends in college half carried me across campus when I trashed an ankle - again African American. Jazz? Soul? Crappy music? True I don't care for rap or hip hop but I also don't care all that much for opera. The roots of much of modern American music are in the black experience in America. Your level of bigotry and ignorance on this subject is abysmal.

[BillyBob]

Not impressed with your statistics.

Oh, they're not my statistics, they belong to the DoJ.



Especially when you consider that the pediatrician who saved my little sister in the middle of a seizure was African American. His house was across the street and he was not even on call at the time but his partner was. They both came to the house. One of my best friends in college half carried me across campus when I trashed an ankle - again African American. Jazz? Soul? Crappy music? True I don't care for rap or hip hop but I also don't care all that much for opera. The roots of much of modern American music are in the black experience in America. Your level of bigotry and ignorance on this subject is abysmal.

I gave you statistics from the US Department of Justice and you call me ignorant. Funny!!! [do you know what the word 'ironic' means?]

[revelarts]

Yes, it's true. Blacks in the US commit murder and other violent crimes 7 times more frequently than whites per capita. They are a culture of violence, irresponsibility, murder, rape, stupidity, laziness and crappy music.

They are the blight of our society. So the question is, what should we do about it?

Lord God please help Some Americans stop demonization of groups of humans that don't look like them or have the same religion.

[BillyBob]

Lord God please help Some Americans stop demonization of groups of humans that don't look like them or have the same religion.


Hmmm, what do any of those things have to do with my OP?

[aboutime]

Not impressed with your statistics. Especially when you consider that the pediatrician who saved my little sister in the middle of a seizure was African American. His house was across the street and he was not even on call at the time but his partner was. They both came to the house. One of my best friends in college half carried me across campus when I trashed an ankle - again African American. Jazz? Soul? Crappy music? True I don't care for rap or hip hop but I also don't care all that much for opera. The roots of much of modern American music are in the black experience in America. Your level of bigotry and ignorance on this subject is abysmal.


WiccanLiberal. Watch the reaction to this. What we are reading is the sick, miserable way racists act. And, when we point out those acts. We become the target of their Racist accusations. It's a nationwide sickness that isn't reserved for one race, or another.
All people have it in them. And, as we are seeing. Some take pride in it, which explains why they can't see it in themselves.

[BillyBob]

WiccanLiberal. Watch the reaction to this. What we are reading is the sick, miserable way racists act.

By posting facts and statistics?



And, when we point out those acts. We become the target of their Racist accusations. It's a nationwide sickness that isn't reserved for one race, or another.
All people have it in them. And, as we are seeing. Some take pride in it, which explains why they can't see it in themselves.

So you have nothing to add to this conversation? Again?

Imagine that.

[DragonStryk72]

Yes, it's true. Blacks in the US commit murder and other violent crimes 7 times more frequently than whites per capita. They are a culture of violence, irresponsibility, murder, rape, stupidity, laziness and crappy music.

They are the blight of our society. So the question is, what should we do about it?

no, just no. First off, you didn't post any stats here, so this is thus far still opinion.

However, those stats are still not pointing to your "logic", as they do not take into account that blacks also make up a large majority of inner-city areas, with inferior schools trying to by and large crank them out thru the system.

Anyone in the doj would tell you that crime is much higher in low-income areas, especially with high pop density, and since the majorities in those areas are minorities such as blacks and Latinos, guess what? They're naturally going to follow suit, racking up the numbers as opposed to whites

[BillyBob]

no, just no. First off, you didn't post any stats here, so this is thus far still opinion.

No, I posted DoJ stats. They are not my opinion.




However, those stats are still not pointing to your "logic", as they do not take into account that blacks also make up a large majority of inner-city areas, with inferior schools trying to by and large crank them out thru the system.

Anyone in the doj would tell you that crime is much higher in low-income areas, especially with high pop density, and since the majorities in those areas are minorities such as blacks and Latinos, guess what? They're naturally going to follow suit, racking up the numbers as opposed to whites

Stats are stats. Facts are facts. It is what it is. Negroes are inclined to criminal activity 7 times more than whites.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No, I posted DoJ stats. They are not my opinion.





Stats are stats. Facts are facts. It is what it is. Negroes are inclined to criminal activity 7 times more than whites.

That is a fact. The blacks engage in criminal activities more often than whites do because lazy people prefer to take risks rather than work. Sad but true.

Never fear the more truth you post about blacks the more you will be called a racist. Just like posting too much truth about muslims gets one called a racist here. Which is rather strange as muslims are definitely not a damn race....:laugh:--Tyr

[BillyBob]

That is a fact. The blacks engage in criminal activities more often than whites do because lazy people prefer to take risks rather than work. Sad but true.

Never fear the more truth you post about blacks the more you will be called a racist. Just like posting too much truth about muslims gets one called a racist here. Which is rather strange as muslims are definitely not a damn race....:laugh:--Tyr


I have seen only a few posters here who are capable of separating their emotions from their intellect. That's too bad, because it appears that this forum is predominately comprised of good [albeit misguided] America-loving Patriots.

[Robert A Whit]

I have seen only a few posters here who are capable of separating their emotions from their intellect. That's too bad, because it appears that this forum is predominately comprised of good [albeit misguided] America-loving Patriots.

I wondered who would jump your bones for being honest. Thanks for showing comments by AT since I have him on ignore. Now that I saw what he did to you, he stays on ignore.

[Kathianne]

no, just no. First off, you didn't post any stats here, so this is thus far still opinion.

However, those stats are still not pointing to your "logic", as they do not take into account that blacks also make up a large majority of inner-city areas, with inferior schools trying to by and large crank them out thru the system.

Anyone in the doj would tell you that crime is much higher in low-income areas, especially with high pop density, and since the majorities in those areas are minorities such as blacks and Latinos, guess what? They're naturally going to follow suit, racking up the numbers as opposed to whites

I agree with your premises. One, it's pretty much a given that most violent and property crimes are committed by those of lower socioeconomic status.

I've been searching for some stats on Lower SES and race, can't find any. However, I find many, many thesis and research papers putting forth theories and stats on the fact that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate because:
a) they really don't, prejudicial arrests and convictions.
b) they are raised in an environment of violence.
c) there are not jobs worth doing, when crime pays so well

The above are excuses more than actuality, since poor whites and others would be expected to have the same sort of stats, unless somehow poor whites are left off the hook by police or pro-bono lawyers just serve whites and others.

Perhaps more than the comparable stats for races and SES, I'd like to see first black crime rates from 1870-1940, that is since reconstruction but prior to WWII. From what I know of studies of black families before the war, they were stable, even moreso than whites at the time. Again, the stats aren't there and I can only roll my eyes at what has been happening in sociology since the 1980's. What the heck are grad students doing?

What I find are studies of Harlem gangs and Black mafia. Not many blacks were involved in relation to national stats. Nope, most were still down south, living in stable if poor homes. My guess would be during this time period, blacks would have made up a small number nationally of arrests. Of course there would be those brought in by Jim Crow, but for the most part again, even those numbers would be statistically small, though with great harm to the black arrested.

I would posit that the 'jump' in black crime, primarily as today, black-on-black crimes came after the war. With the movement to the North and the ghettoization of families. The largest increase would coincide with Civil Rights legislation and the War on Poverty. No, Civil Rights did not cause the uptick, it did cause the 'War on Poverty.' The War on Poverty destroyed the family structure and encouraged children out of wedlock, with no man staying with the family. Not surprising, black males raised in this culture, saw no reason to stay with the mothers of their babies, the state would take care of such. Women were rewarded for not working and having more children, to bring in more money. At the same time that there was an absence of working males, there was also an absence of working females. The work ethic that is part and parcel of the US culture, was lost to the black youth.

It's almost enough to make me go and get my MA in sociology. So many questions without answers, but lots of hypotheses.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Oh, they're not my statistics, they belong to the DoJ.




I gave you statistics from the US Department of Justice and you call me ignorant. Funny!!! [do you know what the word 'ironic' means?]

please link to the DOJ statistics on these...


irresponsibility
stupidity
laziness
crappy music.


We'll wait.......

[Marcus Aurelius]

No, I posted DoJ stats. They are not my opinion...

Then you should have no problem linking to the DOJ stats on these points YO)U brought up in the OP...

please link to the DOJ statistics on these...



irresponsibility
stupidity
laziness
crappy music.


...I mean, since you claim they are facts and not your opinion.


dumb ass.

[BillyBob]

please link to the DOJ statistics on these...

The DoJ stats are for the black's high propensity toward criminal behavior.






irresponsibility


75% of blacks are born out of wedlock.





stupidity


Blacks on average have an IQ 20% lower than whites.





laziness


Black unemployment is about double the national average.





crappy music.


Hey man, if you wanna listen to that jungle crap, be my guest.

[Voted4Reagan]

No, I posted DoJ stats. They are not my opinion.





Stats are stats. Facts are facts. It is what it is. Negroes are inclined to criminal activity 7 times more than whites.

Please provide us with a link for your so called "STATS"

[BillyBob]

Here's a link which shows that blacks do indeed commit murder 7 times more often than whites.


http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


[pdf file, page 11]

[tailfins]

I have seen only a few posters here who are capable of separating their emotions from their intellect. That's too bad, because it appears that this forum is predominately comprised of good [albeit misguided] America-loving Patriots.

I have been around this pretty well all my life; it doesn't faze me. I will ask you this: What were the statistics before 1965 when the Great Society legislation was enacted? I'm more inclined to think this has been caused by the literal bastardization of society rather than race.

[Voted4Reagan]

Here's a link which shows that blacks do indeed commit murder 7 times more often than whites.


http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

[pdf file, page 11]

based as a percentage of overall population blacks are just around 12.6% of the population at approximately 39,000,000 people nationwide. Compare that to Whites who make up 72.4% of the population (Roughly 7 times that of Blacks) and we can assume that the murder rates in terms of actual crimes committed are approximately the same.

even slight numerical increases in violent crimes in the African American Demographic will cause an uptick that would be hardly noticeable in the White Demographic.

You're twisting the statistics to fit a racial profile and that is intellectually dishonest.

[BillyBob]

I have been around this pretty well all my life; it doesn't faze me. I will ask you this: What were the statistics before 1965 when the Great Society legislation was enacted? I'm more inclined to think this has been caused by the literal bastardization of society rather than race.


I don't know, but I am just as curious as you about that. I'd like to see stats that go back to the beginning of the 18th Century, but I'm sure there are none. The current trend, however, is that homicides are on the way down. 15 years ago blacks committed murder at a rate of about 10 times that of whites. Now it's only 7 times.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I have been around this pretty well all my life; it doesn't faze me. I will ask you this: What were the statistics before 1965 when the Great Society legislation was enacted? I'm more inclined to think this has been caused by the literal bastardization of society rather than race.

You misspelled --liberal- in you comment.;)

Otherwise dead on accurate.

[Voted4Reagan]

Here's a link which shows that blacks do indeed commit murder 7 times more often than whites.


http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

[pdf file, page 11]

based as a percentage of overall population blacks are just around 12.6% of the population at approximately 39,000,000 people nationwide. Compare that to Whites who make up 72.4% of the popilation (Roughly 7 times that of Blacks) and we can assume that the murder rates in terms of actual crimes committed are approximately the same.

even slight numerical increases in violent crimes in the African American Demographic will cause an uptick that would be hardly noticeable in the White Demographic.

Your twisting the statistics to fit a racial profile and that is intellectually dishonest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

[BillyBob]

based as a percentage of overall population blacks are just around 12.6% of the population at approximately 39,000,000 people nationwide. Compare that to Whites who make up 72.4% of the population (Roughly 7 times that of Blacks) and we can assume that the murder rates in terms of actual crimes committed are approximately the same.

even slight numerical increases in violent crimes in the African American Demographic will cause an uptick that would be hardly noticeable in the White Demographic.

You're twisting the statistics to fit a racial profile and that is intellectually dishonest.


No, here is what I wrote in the OP:
Blacks in the US commit murder and other violent crimes 7 times more frequently than whites per capita.

And here is what the DoJ site says:
In 2008, the offending rate for blacks [24.7 offenders per 100,000] was 7 times higher than the rate for whites [3.4 offenders per 100,000].


There are no twisted stats and there's nothing 'intellectually dishonest'.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I don't know, but I am just as curious as you about that. I'd like to see stats that go back to the beginning of the 18th Century, but I'm sure there are none. The current trend, however, is that homicides are on the way down. 15 years ago blacks committed murder at a rate of about 10 times that of whites. Now it's only 7 times.


When they are spending all that free gubbermint money on important things like , drugs, gambling and buying sex they just do not have the time nor inclination for all that previous gunplay. We have a casino right here in town. I go there and over 90% of the crowd first week of every month is the blacks donating their free money from the gubbermint. A week later the crowd has dropped by over half and is still a majority of blacks.
Easy streets tends to remove much of that previous violence you cited. In our city/county the vast majority of city, county or state government jobs are filled with blacks yet they are by far a minority population here.
I see them on food stamps but driving new SUV'S /EXPENSIVE CARS all over town. Corruption in the system both in the GOVERNMENT hiring practices and the giving of gubbermint money is rampant.
All I have to do to see more of it is go to the WalMart money desk first of the month and watch hundreds of very young healthy black guys stroll in to cash thier gubbermint disability checks.

All this is a known fact and nobody cares or does a damn thing about it.

I personally do not give a freaking damn who calls me a racist for posting the God's honest truth about ALL this corruption and assorted bullshit.. I do that in real life just as I do it here. I am an equal opportunity truth teller. Anybody that does not like that can just KMA..
As I hold that the TRUTH must be presented no matter who it favors or harms!!!
I do not have a damn PC bone in my body and quite proud of that fact........ -Tyr

[Voted4Reagan]

No, here is what I wrote in the OP:
Blacks in the US commit murder and other violent crimes 7 times more frequently than whites per capita.

And here is what the DoJ site says:
In 2008, the offending rate for blacks [24.7 offenders per 100,000] was 7 times higher than the rate for whites [3.4 offenders per 100,000].


There are no twisted stats and there's nothing 'intellectually dishonest'.

Actually...it is intellectually dishonest. You are using a 28 year average which does not translate into what is actually happening today. Better community policing and programs like NY Citys COPSTAT have dramatically reduced those rates that you put forth.

Your link also references a report that is almost 3 years old and only uses data collected before 2008, so it leaves out valuable data pertaining to violent crime that has steadily dropped every year since 1993.

so play your semantics all you like.... you obviously have a racial angle that you're playing here and you seem hell bent to incite a debate partitioned over racial lines pitting Blacks against whites.

We're smarter then that here sir and will not rise to your bait. The rate today is much lower then your 28 year average.

I'd be willing to bet that rate has dropped to between 2.5 and 3 times ...not the 7 times that you are putting forth.




.

[taft2012]

He hates cops.

He hates criminals.

It's like arguing with a broad going through PMS.

[BillyBob]

Actually...it is intellectually dishonest.

No, actually it isn't.



You are using a 28 year average which does not translate into what is actually happening today. Better community policing and programs like NY Citys COPSTAT have dramatically reduced those rates that you put forth.

The latest stats from the DoJ site I referenced are only 5 years old.



Your link also references a report that is almost 3 years old and only uses data collected before 2008, so it leaves out valuable data pertaining to violent crime that has steadily dropped every year since 1993.

No, that site shows a drop in black criminal activity. They used to murder at a rate 10 times higher than whites.



so play your semantics all you like....

No semantics, just facts.



you obviously have a racial angle that you're playing here and you seem hell bent to incite a debate partitioned over racial lines pitting Blacks against whites.

You and the rest of the folks here are afraid to be honest. You'd rather make excuses for criminal behavior than to examine it honestly and discuss what might be done about it.



We're smarter then that here sir

Not from what I've seen.



and will not rise to your bait.

Ah, so now facts and statistics are 'bait'. lol



The rate today is much lower then your 28 year average.

I'd be willing to bet that rate has dropped to between 2.5 and 3 times

Link?




...not the 7 times that you are putting forth.


Not me, the Department of Justice. If you don't like their stats and record keeping, whine to them about it.

[tailfins]

He hates cops.

He hates criminals.

It's like arguing with a broad going through PMS.

What does Les Gold's daughter from Hardcore Pawn have anything to do with the discussion? Some people are making some really broad generalizations here.

[fj1200]

Stats are stats. Facts are facts. It is what it is. Negroes are inclined to criminal activity 7 times more than whites.

Stats are one thing but causation and correlation are another


That is a fact. The blacks engage in criminal activities more often than whites do because lazy people prefer to take risks rather than work. Sad but true.

Never fear the more truth you post about blacks the more you will be called a racist. Just like posting too much truth about muslims gets one called a racist here. Which is rather strange as muslims are definitely not a damn race....:laugh:--Tyr

No, describing one race as inferior, i.e. lazy, compared to another race is what gets you called a racist.

[BillyBob]

Stats are one thing but causation and correlation are another

You are most welcome to offer your opinions on that.




No, describing one race as inferior, i.e. lazy, compared to another race is what gets you called a racist.

It is what it is. Why are people afraid to take an objective look at the differences between the human races?

[fj1200]

You are most welcome to offer your opinions on that.

I'd say Kathianne had a good take on the subject... as well as tailfins:


I'm more inclined to think this has been caused by the literal bastardization of society rather than race.

Of course, I misread that as liberal.


It is what it is. Why are people afraid to take an objective look at the differences between the human races?

We should take an objective look at statistics and then understand the environment from which they're taken.

[BillyBob]

We should take an objective look at statistics and then understand the environment from which they're taken.

That's why I started this thread, but it seems a bit more than most of the posters here can handle.

[jimnyc]

I originally moved this thread to the cage. I cleaned up some posts and moved it back here. (at least I think it was in current events, if it should be elsewhere, lemme know!)

[fj1200]

That's why I started this thread, but it seems a bit more than most of the posters here can handle.

Well, you did start it with a racially tinged perspective which distracts from your question IMO.


So the question is, what should we do about it?

Increasing economic opportunity heals many ills.

[BillyBob]

I originally moved this thread to the cage. I cleaned up some posts and moved it back here. (at least I think it was in current events, if it should be elsewhere, lemme know!)


It was in the US Political Discussion forum. Thanks.

[BillyBob]

Well, you did start it with a racially tinged perspective which distracts from your question IMO.]

I don't see it that way. It's real problem and I am [was, anyway] curious what others here have to say about it and what solutions they might posit.




Increasing economic opportunity heals many ills.

They [blacks] have economic opportunities, they often choose not to take advantage of them. Many of them drop out of high school.

[fj1200]

I don't see it that way. It's real problem and I am [was, anyway] curious what others here have to say about it and what solutions they might posit.

Umm, OK.


They [blacks] have economic opportunities, they often choose not to take advantage of them. Many of them drop out of high school.

Everyone has opportunity but the key is relative opportunity. I think everyone in the country, white/black/otherwise, on the lower end of the income scale has lower opportunity relative to the higher end because of our tax and regulatory structure. Blacks are, for whatever reason, average being on the lower end of the income scale so they're going to be harmed more. With our anti-growth corporate tax structure, payroll taxes, regulations, etc. on top of counter intuitive welfare policies and the failure of public education they are harmed on one side and disincentivized on the other.

[Voted4Reagan]

So far in the course of your Ranting in this thread you have refferred to African Americans as:

"THEY"

"BLACKS"

"NEGROES"


We can all see where you're coming from BillyBob.

You made that clear to us here the first day you posted with us...

[WiccanLiberal]

There is ONE race. It's called the HUMAN race. Genetically speaking, the vastly different appearing members of the human species are the same. You want to know how I know that? Ever see an open heart operation? I HAVE. You look down into an open chest, there is NO difference. You can't tell what the skin color is from the inside.
Oh yeah, the whole lazy, low IQ thing doesn't hold water. Just one more example from recent news. Look up Dr. Gregory Antoine. Here, I'll help you.. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/19/boston-marathon-doctor-mississippi/2324305/

JACKSON, Miss. -- It was approaching midnight on April 15, more than eight hours after two homemade bombs killed three and injured 264 near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. No family members had heard from 63-year-old Gregory Antoine (http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130519/NEWS01/305190009/Plastic-surgeon-Gregory-Antoine-who-worked-Boston-Marathon-victims-honed-skills-Miss-upbringing), a native of Pass Christian, Miss., a 1972 graduate of Jackson State University and chief of plastic and reconstructive surgery at Boston Medical Center.


Bother to read the whole article. The man has ideas not just on medicine for individuals but for health care as a system.

The problem is that the poor economic status of some African Americans contributes to crime. And a lot of people take advantage of and perpetuate a system that keeps people in poverty and dependent on government programs rather than encouraging self reliance. And then some other people look at the numbers and use them as an excuse to believe that people who appear different are of less worth than they are.

[BillyBob]

Everyone has opportunity but the key is relative opportunity.

McDonalds is always hiring.



I think everyone in the country, white/black/otherwise, on the lower end of the income scale has lower opportunity relative to the higher end because of our tax and regulatory structure. Blacks are, for whatever reason, average being on the lower end of the income scale so they're going to be harmed more. With our anti-growth corporate tax structure, payroll taxes, regulations, etc. on top of counter intuitive welfare policies and the failure of public education they are harmed on one side and disincentivized on the other.


OK, so what do you think those reasons are?

[BillyBob]

There is ONE race. It's called the HUMAN race. Genetically speaking, the vastly different appearing members of the human species are the same.


No, that is not true. There are genetic differences between the human races.

[fj1200]

McDonalds is always hiring.

Like I said, lower relative opportunity stuck in wage jobs that are less available because our tax structure is pro-capital and anti-labor.


OK, so what do you think those reasons are?

Plenty of historical reasons on top of an over-reliance on government based support system which is unfortunately doomed to fail.

[Voted4Reagan]

No, that is not true. There are genetic differences between the human races.


Wow, take a look folks... This says quite a bit about where the Original Poster is coming from.

[BillyBob]

So far in the course of your Ranting in this thread you have refferred to African Americans as:

"THEY"

"BLACKS"

"NEGROES"


We can all see where you're coming from BillyBob.

You made that clear to us here the first day you posted with us...


Well yes, the topic of this thread is the criminal propensity of 'blacks', that is the term they often use when describing themselves. 'They' is hardly a racist term and 'negro' is probably the most accurate. It was even used on the last US Census.

http://localtvwtvr.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/census.jpg?w=402



But there are plenty of other terms for them, you are welcome to use those if you prefer.

[BillyBob]

Wow, take a look folks... This says quite a bit about where the Original Poster is coming from.


Yes, I am correct. Do you dispute that 'africans' are a genetically different specie than the rest of humanity? Or are you trying make this a discussion about me....again?

[Drummond]

No, that is not true. There are genetic differences between the human races.

If there are, in fact, 'genetic differences' ... then it seems to me that these can't be at all great. After all, interracial relationships produce children, and these children are perfectly viable as healthy human beings in their own right.

OK, BillyBob, here's a thought. Do you advocate that interracial 'breeding' is a good thing ? After all ... if it's a matter of superior genetics, won't the 'bad genes' be overtaken by the 'good genes', over time ?

Consider that you aimed the subject of this thread at 'blacks'. Now, are those of mixed race 'black' ? If 'no', then, logically, you must see them as better ....

[WiccanLiberal]

The differences genetically between all human DNA amounts to about 0.1%. That is because out of all the human beings in the world, we all originated from a small population of human ancestors in, you guessed it, Africa. Just one article on the subject:
http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/
Mitochondrial DNA indicates that all living humans descend from one maternal source—christened Mitochondrial Eve—who lived in Africa between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. Similarly, the Y chromosome shows that all men have a common ancestor, Y-chromosome Adam, who lived at the same time. (Actually, both analyses indicate that modern humans descend from a small founding population of about 5000 men and an equal number of women.)

[aboutime]

If there are, in fact, 'genetic differences' ... then it seems to me that these can't be at all great. After all, interracial relationships produce children, and these children are perfectly viable as healthy human beings in their own right.

OK, BillyBob, here's a thought. Do you advocate that interracial 'breeding' is a good thing ? After all ... if it's a matter of superior genetics, won't the 'bad genes' be overtaken by the 'good genes', over time ?

Consider that you aimed the subject of this thread at 'blacks'. Now, are those of mixed race 'black' ? If 'no', then, logically, you must see them as better ....


Sir Drummond. I am now convinced that I finally understand where this member is coming from. His racist remarks are nothing more than a personal anger he developed after discovering....someone in his family tree, back in the 1800's here in America was probably a Slave.

[BillyBob]

If there are, in fact, 'genetic differences' ... then it seems to me that these can't be at all great. After all, interracial relationships produce children, and these children are perfectly viable as healthy human beings in their own right.

Different species of humans are known to have interbred throughout the history of human evolution. As more studies are done, it appears it was even more common than previously thought.



OK, BillyBob, here's a thought. Do you advocate that interracial 'breeding' is a good thing ?

Depends on what traits you are trying to enhance. And there's probably no guarantee which traits are going to be reinforced and which ones aren't. Just look at a family of siblings, you can see that they are not all identical even though they all came from the same parents.



After all ... if it's a matter of superior genetics, won't the 'bad genes' be overtaken by the 'good genes', over time ?

I don't see why. You could take and intellectually superior white person and breed them with an athletically superior black and end up with a stupid non athletic mulatto, I would suspect.



Consider that you aimed the subject of this thread at 'blacks'. Now, are those of mixed race 'black' ? If 'no', then, logically, you must see them as better ....

The DoJ made no such distinction. But in this modern age of easy international travel, the gene pool may become so muddied that it won't matter eventually.

[BillyBob]

The differences genetically between all human DNA amounts to about 0.1%. That is because out of all the human beings in the world, we all originated from a small population of human ancestors in, you guessed it, Africa. Just one article on the subject:
http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/
Mitochondrial DNA indicates that all living humans descend from one maternal source—christened Mitochondrial Eve—who lived in Africa between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. Similarly, the Y chromosome shows that all men have a common ancestor, Y-chromosome Adam, who lived at the same time. (Actually, both analyses indicate that modern humans descend from a small founding population of about 5000 men and an equal number of women.)


Non-africans have up to 4% Neanderthal DNA [some reports have it as high as 10%]. Africans have none.

Researchers sequencing Neandertal DNA have concluded that between 1 and 4 percent of the DNA of people today who live outside Africa came from Neandertals, the result of interbreeding between Neandertals and early modern humans.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=neandertal-genome-study-r

[Drummond]

Well, BillyBob, my overall comment to your reply is that you cannot know that 'bad genes' would win out.

For that matter, if you want to concentrate on a supposed issue of good v bad genes, then .. if your concerns held water .. you'd have to suppose that the children coming from two parents each having their share of 'bad genes', must - pretty much unavoidably ? - be themselves 'bad', in accordance with those genes.

Is this what you think is true ?

For my part, I'm reminded of Hitler's belief in the Aryan Master Race .. which had no basis in fact, and was borne of racism, pure and simple ...

[BillyBob]

Well, BillyBob, my overall comment to your reply is that you cannot know that 'bad genes' would win out.

For that matter, if you want to concentrate on a supposed issue of good v bad genes, then .. if your concerns held water .. you'd have to suppose that the children coming from two parents each having their share of 'bad genes', must - pretty much unavoidably ? - be themselves 'bad', in accordance with those genes.

Is this what you think is true ?

For my part, I'm reminded of Hitler's belief in the Aryan Master Race .. which had no basis in fact, and was borne of racism, pure and simple ...


I am not a geneticist. But calling certain genes bad doesn't mean 'nature' perceives them that way nor does it mean that there isn't an [probably large] element of randomness to which genes get promulgated.

[Robert A Whit]

based as a percentage of overall population blacks are just around 12.6% of the population at approximately 39,000,000 people nationwide. Compare that to Whites who make up 72.4% of the population (Roughly 7 times that of Blacks) and we can assume that the murder rates in terms of actual crimes committed are approximately the same.

even slight numerical increases in violent crimes in the African American Demographic will cause an uptick that would be hardly noticeable in the White Demographic.

You're twisting the statistics to fit a racial profile and that is intellectually dishonest.

From the Federal study:


Trends by race
Blacks were disproportionately represented among homicide
victims and o enders


In 2008, the homicide victimization rate for blacks (19.6
homicides per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for
whites (3.3 homicides per 100,000).


Th e victimization rate for blacks peaked in the early 1990s,
reaching a high of 39.4 homicides per 100,000 in 1991
( gure 17)
.


Aft er 1991, the victimization rate for blacks fell until 1999, when
it stabilized near 20 homicides per 100,000.


In 2008, the off ending rate for blacks (24.7 off enders per
100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4
off enders per 100,000)

( gure 18)
.


Th e off ending rate for blacks showed a similar pattern to the
victimization rate, peaking in the early 1990s at a high of 51.1
off enders per 100,000 in 1991.


Aft er 1991, the off ending rate for blacks declined until it reached
24 per 100,000 in 2004. Th e rate has since fl uctuated, increasing
to 28.4 off enders per 100,000 in 2006 before falling again to 24.7
off enders per 100,000 in 2008.

[Drummond]

I am not a geneticist. But calling certain genes bad doesn't mean 'nature' perceives them that way nor does it mean that there isn't an [probably large] element of randomness to which genes get promulgated.

So, what's your direct answer to this question I've already asked you ...


Do you advocate that interracial 'breeding' is a good thing ?

I'm guessing from your last answer that you must be against it (.. as, certainly, Hitler would've been ..). Still, if I'm wrong, by all means, tell me so.

[BillyBob]

So, what's your direct answer to this question I've already asked you ...Do you advocate that interracial 'breeding' is a good thing ?


I'm guessing from your last answer that you must be against it (.. as, certainly, Hitler would've been ..). Still, if I'm wrong, by all means, tell me so.

I'm neutral on it, for the most part. People are gonna do whatever [whoever] they want.

I'm more interested in discussing how blacks are destroying our society, why they are and what we might be able to do about it.

[Drummond]

I'm neutral on it, for the most part. People are gonna do whatever [whoever] they want.

Your neutrality ... noted. I think that's wise.


I'm more interested in discussing how blacks are destroying our society, why they are and what we might be able to do about it.

I'm not sure that I have any coherent answer to offer. I do offer the thought that racial profiling of any problem you perceive as existing will receive very strong resistance simply because it IS racial profiling.

Better, perhaps, to think in terms of social ills instead, or to have police target communities as a whole which have high crime rates ?

[Robert A Whit]

You are doing very good Billy Bob. I am glad you post.

[Missileman]

people today who live outside Africa came from Neandertals,

That would mean everyone in the U.S., including the blacks who didn't immigrate directly from Africa? Right?

[BillyBob]

That would mean everyone in the U.S., including the blacks who didn't immigrate directly from Africa? Right?


Not if they haven't interbred. I reckon most haven't.

[BillyBob]

I'm not sure that I have any coherent answer to offer. I do offer the thought that racial profiling of any problem you perceive as existing will receive very strong resistance simply because it IS racial profiling.

That isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's simply a matter of examining the data.



Better, perhaps, to think in terms of social ills instead, or to have police target communities as a whole which have high crime rates ?

I believe I used the term 'culture' in my OP, not race. While I am certain race has something to do with it, culture certainly has a lot to do with it as well. Even if it is entirely cultural, it doesn't change the current situation. However, if it is not genetic, it might be easier to resolve. Maybe.

[tailfins]

You are doing very good Billy Bob. I am glad you post.

Be careful, Robert. This has a whiff of being a caricature. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of months we get a huge, bolded post saying: "Hey everybody! The jokes on you! You tools ate it all up!"

[BillyBob]

Be careful, Robert. This has a whiff of being a caricature. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of months we get a huge, bolded post saying: "Hey everybody! The jokes on you! You tools ate it all up!"


Why would you think that? I have been nothing but honest and have provided links and information when needed.

Is that '59 Chevy yours? My Dad had a '60 with a 348 Tri-Power. I drove it to the Senior Prom.

[tailfins]

Why would you think that? I have been nothing but honest and have provided links and information when needed.

Is that '59 Chevy yours? My Dad had a '60 with a 348 Tri-Power. I drove it to the Senior Prom.

It's a little different than mine. I try to stay anonymous online. The 348 was the precursor to the 409. The big problem with the 348 is that it twisted off the crankshaft if you beat on it too much.

My antenna has gone up on you because your posts look like someone trying to bait people. I see some chain rattling and deliberate attempts to be incendiary. I wonder if your messing with people just to get a reaction. It's been done before.

[BillyBob]

It's a little different than mine. I try to stay anonymous online. The 348 was the precursor to the 409. The big problem with the 348 is that it twisted off the crankshaft if you beat on it too much.

My antenna has gone up on you because your posts look like someone trying to bait people. I see some chain rattling and deliberate attempts to be incendiary. I wonder if your messing with people just to get a reaction. It's been done before.


I discuss topics that I find interesting. I didn't expect a primarily conservative board to be so reactionary, mindless namecalling and un-intellectual responses are usually reserved for libs.

[aboutime]

I discuss topics that I find interesting. I didn't expect a primarily conservative board to be so reactionary, mindless namecalling and un-intellectual responses are usually reserved for libs.


And you call us hypocrites? When YOU come here to be the number one reactionary...while blaming others?

[BillyBob]

It's a little different than mine. I try to stay anonymous online. The 348 was the precursor to the 409. The big problem with the 348 is that it twisted off the crankshaft if you beat on it too much.


I saw a black [see, I'm keeping it topical] '59 yesterday on the Meecum Car Auction with a 283 Rochester Fuel Injection induction. It went for $117,500. The announcers said they had never seen a '59 Fuelie before.

[tailfins]

And you call us hypocrites? When YOU come here to be the number one reactionary...while blaming others?

You're taking the bait!



I saw a black [see, I'm keeping it topical] '59 yesterday on the Meecum Car Auction with a 283 Rochester Fuel Injection induction. It went for $117,500. The announcers said they had never seen a '59 Fuelie before.

I'm not a big fan of trailer queens. I prefer to get it to category four condition and stop. That way you can drive it without losing sleep. I reference the rating system in the below link.

http://classiccars.about.com/od/buyingadvise/qt/ratingtip.htm

[BillyBob]

And you call us hypocrites? When YOU come here to be the number one reactionary...while blaming others?


I have no idea what you are talking about. That makes at least 2 of us.

Now please stay on topic. Either address the OP or tell us about your '59 Chevy.

K thanks.

[Kathianne]

I have no idea what you are talking about. That makes at least 2 of us.

Now please stay on topic. Either address the OP or tell us about your '59 Chevy.

K thanks.

I don't agree with your premise regarding blacks, but do endorse the message above.

[BillyBob]

I don't agree with your premise regarding blacks, but do endorse the message above.


That's fine and thanks. But please tell me this, after reading through this thread, what is my premise regarding blacks? I'd hate to be misunderstood.

[Kathianne]

That's fine and thanks. But please tell me this, after reading through this thread, what is my premise regarding blacks? I'd hate to be misunderstood.

Either genetically or culturally inferior, you hope the later, but think the former.

[BillyBob]

Either genetically or culturally inferior, you hope the later, but think the former.


I do hope it is the latter because it means we have a chance to recondition them to be more socially productive. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case.


It's not really about being inferior. I mean, if criminal activity is the goal, blacks are far superior to whites. Regardless of the reasons for their social degradation, what can we do about it?

[hjmick]

Yes, it's true. Blacks in the US commit murder and other violent crimes 7 times more frequently than whites per capita. They are a culture of violence, irresponsibility, murder, rape, stupidity, laziness and crappy music.

They are the blight of our society. So the question is, what should we do about it?


I'm fairly certain that I do not like you.

[Kathianne]

I do hope it is the latter because it means we have a chance to recondition them to be more socially productive. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case.


It's not really about being inferior. I mean, if criminal activity is the goal, blacks are far superior to whites. Regardless of the reasons for their social degradation, what can we do about it?

Right, that's the goal. :rolleyes:

[BillyBob]

I'm fairly certain that I do not like you.

Do you find the truth bothersome?

[BillyBob]

Right, that's the goal. :rolleyes:

*chuckle


OK, I saw a FoxNews story that claimed blacks are 'stronger' than whites. Is that better?

Oh, here it is:

White Americans are both genetically weaker and less diverse than their black compatriots, a Cornell University-led study finds.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331949,00.html#ixzz2Tn3LGn48



Soooooooooo, if blacks and whites are genetically different, as this Cornell study claims, where do those differences end?

[Kathianne]

*chuckle


OK, I saw a FoxNews story that claimed blacks are 'stronger' than whites. Is that better?

Oh, here it is:

White Americans are both genetically weaker and less diverse than their black compatriots, a Cornell University-led study finds.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331949,00.html#ixzz2Tn3LGn48



Soooooooooo, if blacks and whites are genetically different, as this Cornell study claims, where do those differences end?

They could be wrong. Then again, could be differences in lesser amount than between MOST men and MOST women. Are we back on the changing of military standards now?

[tailfins]

I'm fairly certain that I do not like you.

You seem put off that he comes off as a raving racist. I think he comes off TOO MUCH as a raving racist to be the real deal. Don't fall for the old fakearoo!

[BillyBob]

You seem put off that he comes off as a raving racist. I think he comes off TOO MUCH as a raving racist to be the real deal. Don't fall for the old fakearoo!


We haven't even determined if black propensity toward violence has anything to do with race. It may be cultural, but I have my doubts. Probably a little of both.

I guess a simple way to determine if it's more genetic than cultural would be to examine african populations throughout the world and see if there are any similarities to what we observe in the US. Would you agree that at least some important info could be gathered by doing so?

[BillyBob]

They could be wrong.

Yes, I reckon they could be. But they have studied this more than either of us have and are far more qualified to make a determination than either of us. The reality is that we, at some point, have to rely on the findings of colleges and scientists to a fairly high degree. It's gotten us pretty far in the last few centuries.




Then again, could be differences in lesser amount than between MOST men and MOST women. Are we back on the changing of military standards now?

I don't understand your question.

[Kathianne]

Yes, I reckon they could be. But they have studied this more than either of us have and are far more qualified to make a determination than either of us. The reality is that we, at some point, have to rely on the findings of colleges and scientists to a fairly high degree. It's gotten us pretty far in the last few centuries.





I don't understand your question.

Genetics between men and women differ, you've noticed I presume? Most men have more muscle than MOST women. Doesn't mean there aren't the exceptions.

Same could be true to some degree between race or ethnicity. It's tricky though. Are Asians really smarter or is that cultural? Height is one of those things that seem more genetic than culture, yet Americans of all races and ethnic groups tend towards the high end historically. So while some groups are taller for Americans, within certain groups even the 'short folks' tend to be taller. Diet seems the culprit with that one.

As for studying the issues under discussion, I've a BA in sociology from U of Chicago. Thus the earlier mind fart about working on MA in such, since it certainly seems that over the past 30 years, not much has been studied regarding SES and crime via race.

[BillyBob]

Genetics between men and women differ, you've noticed I presume? Most men have more muscle than MOST women. Doesn't mean there aren't the exceptions.

Same could be true to some degree between race or ethnicity. It's tricky though. Are Asians really smarter or is that cultural? Height is one of those things that seem more genetic than culture, yet Americans of all races and ethnic groups tend towards the high end historically. So while some groups are taller for Americans, within certain groups even the 'short folks' tend to be taller. Diet seems the culprit with that one.

As for studying the issues under discussion, I've a BA in sociology from U of Chicago. Thus the earlier mind fart about working on MA in such, since it certainly seems that over the past 30 years, not much has been studied regarding SES and crime via race.


I suggested earlier that some examining of black behavior worldwide might shed more light on how much of their actions are genetic and how much is cultural.

From what I've seen, asians are the smartest race of humans. Whites are slightly behind them, then hispanics with blacks holding up the rear.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/WAIS-IV_FSIQ_Scores_by_Race_and_Ethnicity.png

[Kathianne]

The source of that graphic?

[Marcus Aurelius]

The DoJ stats are for the black's high propensity toward criminal behavior.



75% of blacks are born out of wedlock.
Blacks on average have an IQ 20% lower than whites.
Black unemployment is about double the national average.

Hey man, if you wanna listen to that jungle crap, be my guest.

in other words, you lied about those being DOJ statistics, and they are instead, your opinion of black people. We get it. Now go pollute some other board.

[Missileman]

Not if they haven't interbred. I reckon most haven't.

I think you'd find that the vast majority of U.S. blacks have at least one white twig on their family tree. I could be wrong though.

[BillyBob]

in other words, you lied about those being DOJ statistics,

Nope, I posted the DoJ stats for blacks being 7 times more homicidally inclined. If you were paying attention you would know that. But that would be expecting far too much from you. Sorry, I won't dumb down my posts just so you can be included. However, I hear that there is a Sesame Street forum. Seems perfect for beginners like you.




and they are instead, your opinion of black people. We get it. Now go pollute some other board.

Mmmmm, no. I have stats for all of my claims, except for the crappy music one. Anyone who knows the slightest bit about music wouldn't need a link for that one. Soooo, I guess we know what that says about you.

[BillyBob]

I think you'd find that the vast majority of U.S. blacks have at least one white twig on their family tree. I could be wrong though.

Maybe, but that seems unlikely. And even so, it wouldn't alter their genetic makeup by much.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Non-africans have up to 4% Neanderthal DNA [some reports have it as high as 10%]. Africans have none.

Researchers sequencing Neandertal DNA have concluded that between 1 and 4 percent of the DNA of people today who live outside Africa came from Neandertals, the result of interbreeding between Neandertals and early modern humans.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=neandertal-genome-study-r
from your link...

In addition, says paleoanthropologist John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin, the current study might be obscuring a contribution of Neandertal genes to the African gene pool, because the team specifically looked to explain genetic diversity in non-Africans compared with Africans. He and his colleagues are currently working on a way to assess that possibility.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I'm neutral on it, for the most part. People are gonna do whatever [whoever] they want.

I'm more interested in discussing how blacks are destroying our society, why they are and what we might be able to do about it.

you could always leave.

[BillyBob]

The source of that graphic?


wiki. But I can find similar sources if you require them.

[BillyBob]

you could always leave.

So can you. Now get back on topic. Prove the OP premise wrong or stfu.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I do hope it is the latter because it means we have a chance to recondition them to be more socially productive. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case.


It's not really about being inferior. I mean, if criminal activity is the goal, blacks are far superior to whites. Regardless of the reasons for their social degradation, what can we do about it?


Recondition them? You're pathetic.

[BillyBob]

Recondition them? You're pathetic.


You're right, we should just let them destroy the US and themselves without even trying to help them. Why do you hate blacks and the USA?

[Marcus Aurelius]

So can you. Now get back on topic. Prove the OP premise wrong or stfu.

We're all still waiting for those DOJ statistics (with link) proving the OP statements...

They are a culture of violence, irresponsibility, murder, rape, stupidity, laziness and crappy music.

That's seven points you tried to make. Where are the DOJ stats for each and every one of them?

[Marcus Aurelius]

You're right, we should just let them destroy the US and themselves without even trying to help them. Why do you hate blacks and the USA?

Of the two of us, I'm pretty sure you're the one who hates black people.

[BillyBob]

We're all still waiting for those DOJ statistics (with link) proving the OP statements...



Already provided.

[BillyBob]

Of the two of us, I'm pretty sure you're the one who hates black people.


You've been wrong so far, I don't see why that would suddenly change with one post.

[Missileman]

Maybe, but that seems unlikely. And even so, it wouldn't alter their genetic makeup by much.

It would give them the same 1-4% Neanderthal genes as everyone else, right?

[Marcus Aurelius]

Already provided.

no, they were not. You provided a statement claiming a couple of those points were DOJ stats.

Where are the DOJ stats on crappy music? On laziness? Irresponsibility?

THOSE words exactly... not some unrelated statistic YOU twist in your tiny little mind.

Show me a DOJ stat that specifically says 'black people have crappy music', & 'black people are irresponsible' & 'black people are lazy'... THOSE EXACT WORDS.

[BillyBob]

It would give them the same 1-4% Neanderthal genes as everyone else, right?


No. If a white man fathered a child with a black woman, that child would end up with half as much Neanderthal DNA as his father had. But if that child has an child with a black, his offspring will have a quarter of the Neanderthal DNA as his father. It can get watered down pretty fast.

[BillyBob]

no, they were not.

Yes they were.



You provided a statement claiming a couple of those points were DOJ stats.

Where are the DOJ stats on crappy music? On laziness? Irresponsibility?

THOSE words exactly... not some unrelated statistic YOU twist in your tiny little mind.

Show me a DOJ stat that specifically says 'black people have crappy music', & 'black people are irresponsible' & 'black people are lazy'... THOSE EXACT WORDS.


I never made such a claim. Is this your best effort? Because it's pretty lame.

Let's take it a step at a time [I don't mind slowing things down to compensate for your regressed rate of understanding]. Do you argue that the DoJ didn't claim that blacks commit murder at a rate 7 times higher than whites?

[Missileman]

You're right, we should just let them destroy the US and themselves without even trying to help them. Why do you hate blacks and the USA?

There is an undeniable problem with black culture. I lay the blame squarely on two things young black women and liberal social policies. Young black women accept, time and again, a young black man into their beds who has no education, no job, no ambition other than acquiring bling for a hoopdie, a play station and some Michael Jordan sneakers. Up until they start closing their legs and withholding the goodies until the young man gets a job and is willing to enter into a committed relationship, more generations of black children will grow up in ghettos to welfare moms and get dragged down into the muck.

Liberal social policies have facilitated these young black women making the same mistakes over and over. Liberal social policies have made it too comfortable on the dole, so much so that there's no real motivation to get off it.

And for the record, I don't believe these cultural issues have anything to do with genetics.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I never made such a claim. Is this your best effort? Because it's pretty lame.



You made this post...


Oh, they're not my statistics, they belong to the DoJ. I gave you statistics from the US Department of Justice and you call me ignorant. Funny!!! [do you know what the word 'ironic' means?]

...directed at your OP.

Now, put up or shut up.

[Missileman]

No. If a white man fathered a child with a black woman, that child would end up with half as much Neanderthal DNA as his father had. But if that child has an child with a black, his offspring will have a quarter of the Neanderthal DNA as his father. It can get watered down pretty fast.

Sure, but if that child grew up and had a child with another half-white, there wouldn't be any watering down. I think you're disregarding the amount of white genes that made their way into black bloodlines during the years of slavery.

[BillyBob]

Sure, but if that child grew up and had a child with another half-white, there wouldn't be any watering down. I think you're disregarding the amount of white genes that made their way into black bloodlines during the years of slavery.

No, if the offsrping continued to mate with whites, the percentage of Neanderthal DNA would continue to increase as their skin got lighter. Probably by the same degree, more or less.

[BillyBob]

You made this post...



...directed at your OP.

Now, put up or shut up.

I have already posted the DoJ stats. Did you find them to be in error?

[Missileman]

No, if the offsrping continued to mate with whites, the percentage of Neanderthal DNA would continue to increase as their skin got lighter. Probably by the same degree, more or less.

Sure, but if a 2% NDNA black had a child with another 2% NDNA black, that child theoretically could also be a 2%.

[BillyBob]

Sure, but if a 2% NDNA black had a child with another 2% NDNA black, that child theoretically could also be a 2%.

That sounds right, yes.

But if they each had 2% NDNA they would no longer be black.

[Missileman]

That sounds right, yes.

But if they each had 2% NDNA they would no longer be black.

Tell that to the guy with the whip.

[BillyBob]

Tell that to the guy with the whip.


Marcus Aurealius?

[Missileman]

Marcus Aurealius?

Puhlease! :laugh2:

[BillyBob]

Puhlease! :laugh2:

:cool:

[Marcus Aurelius]

I have already posted the DoJ stats. Did you find them to be in error?

where is the stat for crappy music? as to the rest, they were stats on other things you twisted to suit your agenda against blacks.

[BillyBob]

where is the stat for crappy music?

Oh, did I offend your favorite music by calling it 'crappy'? so sorry.



as to the rest, they were stats on other things you twisted to suit your agenda against blacks.

Do you doubt my other claims? How about you do a little research yourself, cupcake? It'll save me time and you more embarrassment.

[gabosaurus]

They are a culture of violence, irresponsibility, murder, rape, stupidity, laziness and crappy music.

I think you are confusing blacks with the Reagan administration.

[DragonStryk72]

Oh, did I offend your favorite music by calling it 'crappy'? so sorry.




Do you doubt my other claims? How about you do a little research yourself, cupcake? It'll save me time and you more embarrassment.

because it is your thesis that requires proof, proof that you have not shown thus far. Out of date statistics that you are warping to your ends don't count as evidence.

[BillyBob]

because it is your thesis that requires proof, proof that you have not shown thus far. Out of date statistics that you are warping to your ends don't count as evidence.


Do you doubt the DoJ? I mean, there's not much I can do about that.

[BillyBob]

I think you are confusing blacks with the Reagan administration.

That would be pretty hard to do. More like the Clinton administration, after all, he was the first black President.

[DragonStryk72]

Do you doubt the DoJ? I mean, there's not much I can do about that.

you are warping those numbers to mean something they do not mean, and doing so is both dishonest, and intellectual cowardice.

you may note that I answered why there could well be a disparity in the numbers earlier in the thread. you have yet to present any actual evidence on your opinion. of what the doj numbers mean.

[BillyBob]

you are warping those numbers to mean something they do not mean, and doing so is both dishonest, and intellectual cowardice.

you may note that I answered why there could well be a disparity in the numbers earlier in the thread. you have yet to present any actual evidence on your opinion. of what the doj numbers mean.

No, I simply posted them as they appear on the DoJ website. If you have a problem with them, feel free to whine to the DoJ.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=639678#post639678) where is the stat for crappy music?
Oh, did I offend your favorite music by calling it 'crappy'? so sorry.



as to the rest, they were stats on other things you twisted to suit your agenda against blacks.



Do you doubt my other claims? How about you do a little research yourself, cupcake? It'll save me time and you more embarrassment.

So, you admit the DOJ doesn't HAVE stats proving ALL your OP claims. TY

Continually failing to address the fact you lied... seems to be your shtick here. Pity.

I doubt any claim made when the moron making it fails to post links to his sources... repeatedly.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=639686#post639686)

because it is your thesis that requires proof, proof that you have not shown thus far. Out of date statistics that you are warping to your ends don't count as evidence.


Do you doubt the DoJ? I mean, there's not much I can do about that.

You've yet to actually post links to DOJ stats using the EXACT WORDS you used in your OP. Essentially, you're a racist prick and a liar.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=639692#post639692)

you are warping those numbers to mean something they do not mean, and doing so is both dishonest, and intellectual cowardice.

you may note that I answered why there could well be a disparity in the numbers earlier in the thread. you have yet to present any actual evidence on your opinion. of what the doj numbers mean.



No, I simply posted them as they appear on the DoJ website. If you have a problem with them, feel free to whine to the DoJ.
PLease link to the DOJ website, where it shows the stats for the EXACT WORDS you used in the OP.

We'll wait.....

[taft2012]

This thread is beneath the intelligence level of this board.

At any given time in our history we could have looked at statistics and concluded one group or another had a "criminal mentality."

Once upon a time in NYC ... Irish, Jews, and Italians were the ones to watch.

The causes are not genetic or race-based. That's just mindless racism and not worthy of consideration.

IMO, not scientific or sociologically proven, the problem is that politicians and teachers push the notion that the deck is stacked against blacks and they have no hope in this society. Previous demographics did not have that handicap in place and were able to assimilate to the mainstream as a group.

As the civil rights movement grew, the crime rate among blacks actually grew with it. The good intentions of the movement were overplayed by liberals, who resorted to making excuses for criminal behavior, constricting tools previously available to law enforcement, and lowering the standards of acceptable behavior. As usual, liberals meant well, but screwed everything up.

Another "unintended consequence."

However, progress is being made. I read somewhere that the combined wealth of African Americans would now make them the 12th (??? IIRC) wealthiest nation in the world. There are still problems, most notably liberals, but progress is being made. :clap:


And for all of those great African Americans who serve valiantly in our armed forces, law enforcement, and other distinguished fields.... I salute their patriotism and bravery, and reject the notion they possess a "criminal mentality". :salute:

[Marcus Aurelius]

This thread is beneath the intelligence level of this board.

At any given time in our history we could have looked at statistics and concluded one group or another had a "criminal mentality."

Once upon a time in NYC ... Irish, Jews, and Italians were the ones to watch.

The causes are not genetic or race-based. That's just mindless racism and not worthy of consideration.

IMO, not scientific or sociologically proven, the problem is that politicians and teachers push the notion that the deck is stacked against blacks and they have no hope in this society. Previous demographics did not have that handicap in place and were able to assimilate to the mainstream as a group.

As the civil rights movement grew, the crime rate among blacks actually grew with it. The good intentions of the movement were overplayed by liberals, who resorted to making excuses for criminal behavior, constricting tools previously available to law enforcement, and lowering the standards of acceptable behavior. As usual, liberals meant well, but screwed everything up.

Another "unintended consequence."

However, progress is being made. I read somewhere that the combined wealth of African Americans would now make them the 12th (??? IIRC) wealthiest nation in the world. There are still problems, most notably liberals, but progress is being made. :clap:


And for all of those great African Americans who serve valiantly in our armed forces, law enforcement, and other distinguished fields.... I salute their patriotism and bravery, and reject the notion they possess a "criminal mentality". :salute:

as much as you and I have disagreed in the past, that is possibly the most intelligent, well reasoned and articulated post on this board in months. Well said.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-incarceration/2011/06/13/AGfIWvYH_story.html

page to of the linked piece...


4. There’s a link between race and crime. Yes, African Americans and Latinos disproportionately commit certain crimes. But in a 1996 study of crime rates in Columbus, Ohio, criminologists from Ohio State University concluded that socioeconomic disadvantages “explain the overwhelming portion of the difference in crime.”

Nowhere are racial disparities in criminal justice more evident than in drug law enforcement. In 2003, black men were nearly 12 times more likely to be sent to prison for a drug offense than white men. Yet, national household surveys show that whites and African Americans use and sell drugs at roughly the same rates. African Americans, who are 12 percent of the population and about 14 percent of drug users, make up 34 percent of those arrested for drug offenses and 45 percent of those serving time for such offenses in state prisons. Why?

In large measure, because police find drugs where they look for them. Inner-city, open-air drug markets are easier to bust than those that operate out of suburban basements, and numerous studies show that minorities are stopped by police more often than whites. For example, a Center for Constitutional Rights study found that 87 percent of the 575,000 people stopped by the police in New York City in 2009 were African American or Latino.



5. Racial disparities in incarceration reflect police and judges’ racial prejudice.
Shocking instances of racism still come to light in the justice system. But racist cops and courts are not the primary reason for racial disparities in incarceration.
Consider increased penalties for drug offenses in school zones. Though not racially motivated, these laws disproportionately affect minorities, who more often live in densely populated urban areas with many nearby schools. In New Jersey, for example, 96 percent of people incarcerated under such laws in 2005 were African American or Latino. Judges didn’t necessarily want to sentence these defendants to more prison time than those convicted outside school zones, but under the law, they had to.
Where we spend money also contributes to the problem. The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 appropriated $9.7 billion for prisons and $13.6 billion for law enforcement, but only $6.1 billion for crime prevention. Politicians eager to be seen as tough on crime too often find ways to fund new prison cells, even though they know that minorities will predominantly fill them. This isn’t the fault of racist individuals. It’s the fault of a system that fails to take the promise of equality seriously.

The United States imprisons a larger proportion of its population than Russia or Belarus. Our incarceration rate is eight times that of France. These tragic statistics force us to ask:

Would the American public accept these rates if incarceration were distributed more equally across race and class?

[BillyBob]

So, you admit the DOJ doesn't HAVE stats proving ALL your OP claims. TY

I never said they did.




Continually failing to address the fact you lied... seems to be your shtick here. Pity.

I'm sorry you aren't bright enough to follow a simple discussion. I'll try to dumb down the next one so you can participate.




I doubt any claim made when the moron making it fails to post links to his sources... repeatedly.

I did post links. Like I said, I'll try to dumb it down for you next time.

[tailfins]

This thread is beneath the intelligence level of this board.

At any given time in our history we could have looked at statistics and concluded one group or another had a "criminal mentality."

Once upon a time in NYC ... Irish, Jews, and Italians were the ones to watch.

The causes are not genetic or race-based. That's just mindless racism and not worthy of consideration.

IMO, not scientific or sociologically proven, the problem is that politicians and teachers push the notion that the deck is stacked against blacks and they have no hope in this society. Previous demographics did not have that handicap in place and were able to assimilate to the mainstream as a group.

As the civil rights movement grew, the crime rate among blacks actually grew with it. The good intentions of the movement were overplayed by liberals, who resorted to making excuses for criminal behavior, constricting tools previously available to law enforcement, and lowering the standards of acceptable behavior. As usual, liberals meant well, but screwed everything up.

Another "unintended consequence."

However, progress is being made. I read somewhere that the combined wealth of African Americans would now make them the 12th (??? IIRC) wealthiest nation in the world. There are still problems, most notably liberals, but progress is being made. :clap:


And for all of those great African Americans who serve valiantly in our armed forces, law enforcement, and other distinguished fields.... I salute their patriotism and bravery, and reject the notion they possess a "criminal mentality". :salute:

As someone who solves problems by literally thousands of trials and errors, every idea is worthy of consideration.

[BillyBob]

You've yet to actually post links to DOJ stats using the EXACT WORDS you used in your OP.

I posted the DoJ link.




Essentially, you're a racist prick and a liar.

Do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=639731#post639731)

So, you admit the DOJ doesn't HAVE stats proving ALL your OP claims. TY
I never said they did.

You claimed the items listed in your OP were stats from the DOJ... quite plainly you stated that. Now you claim you didn't say it.

Not only are you a racist prick, you're a liar as well.

[BillyBob]

This thread is beneath the intelligence level of this board.

Only when you respond to it.





At any given time in our history we could have looked at statistics and concluded one group or another had a "criminal mentality."

Once upon a time in NYC ... Irish, Jews, and Italians were the ones to watch.

The causes are not genetic or race-based. That's just mindless racism and not worthy of consideration.


Irish, Jews and Italians are not the topic of this thread. You have yet to address this thread topically.

[tailfins]

I think you are confusing blacks with the Reagan administration.

Jim, did Gabby and BillyBob register from the same IP? I'm curious.

[BillyBob]

You claimed the items listed in your OP were stats from the DOJ... quite plainly you stated that. Now you claim you didn't say it.

Not only are you a racist prick, you're a liar as well.


I posted the DoJ link.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=639746#post639746)

You claimed the items listed in your OP were stats from the DOJ... quite plainly you stated that. Now you claim you didn't say it.

Not only are you a racist prick, you're a liar as well.



I posted the DoJ link.

which did NOT list the specific statements you made in the OP. You linked to something that did not prove your point. Continually saying the link said something it did NOT is simply proving your racist prick nature to the board.

[BillyBob]

which did NOT list the specific statements you made in the OP.

It listed the one which proved my OP to be true.



You linked to something that did not prove your point.

Sure it did. Blacks commit murder 7 times more often than whites. It's right there in the link.



Continually saying the link said something it did NOT is simply proving your racist prick nature to the board.

I posted the DoJ link. Continually saying I did not proves you are an imbecile.

[Marcus Aurelius]

It listed the one which proved my OP to be true.




Sure it did. Blacks commit murder 7 times more often than whites. It's right there in the link.




I posted the DoJ link. Continually saying I did not proves you are an imbecile.

You made several claims in the OP... then posted a link that did not prove them all. You're just a race baiter and a liar.

[BillyBob]

You made several claims in the OP... then posted a link that did not prove them all. You're just a race baiter and a liar.


I never claimed all of those facts were exclusively from the DoJ. I did however post a DoJ link which proves that blacks have a criminal mentality. But if you wanna chase your own tail, have at it.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I never claimed all of those facts were exclusively from the DoJ. I did however post a DoJ link which proves that blacks have a criminal mentality. But if you wanna chase your own tail, have at it.

Not facts, opinions. Yes, you did, as I already posted and proved earlier. Not my fault you're simply not smart enough to realize what you actually posted.

[gabosaurus]

I never claimed all of those facts were exclusively from the DoJ. I did however post a DoJ link which proves that blacks have a criminal mentality. But if you wanna chase your own tail, have at it.

Is there a reason why you chose to post these statistics here? I am sure they would be much more appreciated on the StormFront board.

[BillyBob]

Is there a reason why you chose to post these statistics here? I am sure they would be much more appreciated on the StormFront board.


I find them interesting and as I said in the OP, I am curious what the posters here think can be done about it.

[BillyBob]

Not facts, opinions.

The only opinion was the crappy music one. I threw that in for a little levity [you obviously have no sense of humor, most libs don't] and I'm sure there are plenty of folks here who would agree.

The rest are facts.

[Kathianne]

wiki. But I can find similar sources if you require them.

Thanks for answering with the site. I've spent over 10 minutes searching Wiki, can't find the graphic. Could you post the link? Sorry, I try not to have others do the homework.

[BillyBob]

Thanks for answering with the site. I've spent over 10 minutes searching Wiki, can't find the graphic. Could you post the link? Sorry, I try not to have others do the homework.


Here's the url link for the pic: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/WAIS-IV_FSIQ_Scores_by_Race_and_Ethnicity.png

I did a google image search so I could post a graph. There were others, as well.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Here's the url link for the pic: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/WAIS-IV_FSIQ_Scores_by_Race_and_Ethnicity.png

I did a google image search so I could post a graph. There were others, as well.


rather than working of an image, you should actually research next time so you know WTF you're talking about...

https://www.boundless.com/psychology/intelligence/debates-in-intelligence/group-differences-in-intelligence/


The task force on this topic agrees that large differences do exist between the average IQ scores of blacks and whites. The cause of that differential is not known; it is apparently not due to any simple form of bias (https://www.boundless.com/psychology/intelligence/debates-in-intelligence/group-differences-in-intelligence/#key_term_glossary_bias) in the content or administration of the tests themselves. The Flynn effect (https://www.boundless.com/psychology/intelligence/debates-in-intelligence/group-differences-in-intelligence/#key_term_glossary_Flynneffect) shows that environmental factors can produce differences of at least this magnitude, but that effect is mysterious in its own right. Several culturally based explanations of the black/white IQ differential have been proposed; some are plausible, but so far none has been conclusively supported. There is even less empirical (https://www.boundless.com/psychology/intelligence/debates-in-intelligence/group-differences-in-intelligence/#key_term_glossary_empirical) support for a genetic interpretation. In short, no adequate explanation of the differential between the IQ means of blacks and whites is presently available.

[red states rule]

http://hdclarity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/foot_in_mouth_funny_sayings_postcard-p239227608041056672trdg_400.jpg

[Kathianne]

Here's the url link for the pic: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/WAIS-IV_FSIQ_Scores_by_Race_and_Ethnicity.png

I did a google image search so I could post a graph. There were others, as well.

Ah, that explains that. So, can you please link me up with the source of your graphics? That's really what I was looking for. Thanks.

[BillyBob]

rather than working of an image, you should actually research next time so you know WTF you're talking about...



I posted a link and I posted a graph. If you want more you are more than welcome to do your own search, but it won't change the fact that blacks score lower on IQ tests than whites. Even hispanics score higher than blacks. Sorry if that freaks you out...[not really]

[BillyBob]

Ah, that explains that. So, can you please link me up with the source of your graphics? That's really what I was looking for. Thanks.


Sure, no problem.

http://www.iq-tests.eu/iq-test-IQ-correlations-700.html

[Marcus Aurelius]

Sure, no problem.

http://www.iq-tests.eu/iq-test-IQ-correlations-700.html


While the distributions of IQ scores among different racial-ethnic groups overlap and often have a comparable range, groups differ in where their members cluster along the IQ scale. Similar clustering occurs with related variables, such as school achievement, reaction time, and brain size. Most variation in IQ in the U.S. occurs within individual families, not between races.


The disparity in average IQ among racial groups does not mean that all members of one group are more intelligent than all members of another, nor that ranking group averages from "high" to "low" implies a moral ranking from "good" to "bad" or an overall ranking of "superior" to "inferior".

you are not superior to 'the black man'. Live with it.

[BillyBob]

you are not superior to 'the black man'. Live with it.


That's true, they are much better than me at being criminals. Well, that may not quite be true as I have never tried to be a criminal. And although blacks have a high propensity for being a criminal, doesn't mean they are very good at it. Just look at how many of them get caught compared to whites.

However, whites are about 20% smarter than blacks on average. Hispanics are about 5% smarter than blacks on average. Blacks are at the bottom of the IQ chart.

http://www.iq-tests.eu/images/700-1.png

[Kathianne]

Sure, no problem.

http://www.iq-tests.eu/iq-test-IQ-correlations-700.html

Thanks again. Doesn't seem to be a biologist or a geneticist. A psychologist writing on such really doesn't seem authoritative. Perhaps some other links would be good.

[BillyBob]

Thanks again. Doesn't seem to be a biologist or a geneticist. A psychologist writing on such really doesn't seem authoritative. Perhaps some other links would be good.

I'm sure google is full of them.

[Robert A Whit]

That's true, they are much better than me at being criminals. Well, that may not quite be true as I have never tried to be a criminal. And although blacks have a high propensity for being a criminal, doesn't mean they are very good at it. Just look at how many of them get caught compared to whites.

However, whites are about 20% smarter than blacks on average. Hispanics are about 5% smarter than blacks on average. Blacks are at the bottom of the IQ chart.

http://www.iq-tests.eu/images/700-1.png

I have no idea why this bothers some posters so much. Maybe they have race issues?????

I find that Billybob presents facts and when called on presents his sources.

[Kathianne]

I'm sure google is full of them.

Indeed. Just not finding anything that's credible off the bat. I'm assuming you have a serious interest in this topic and figured you'd have some sources that a reasonable person could search from with sources.

[Robert A Whit]

Indeed. Just not finding anything that's credible off the bat. I'm assuming you have a serious interest in this topic and figured you'd have some sources that a reasonable person could search from with sources.

You might want to read the The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is a 1994 book by American psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein

[BillyBob]

Indeed. Just not finding anything that's credible off the bat. I'm assuming you have a serious interest in this topic and figured you'd have some sources that a reasonable person could search from with sources.


I posted DoJ stats and they were discredited as 'intellectually dishonest'. If the DoJ isn't credible then I'm pretty sure there are no amount of links I could provide that would satisfy those who refuse to take an honest look at this topic.

But if this a topic you find interesting, please continue to research it.

[Robert A Whit]

I posted DoJ stats and they were discredited as 'intellectually dishonest'. If the DoJ isn't credible then I'm pretty sure there are no amount of links I could provide that would satisfy those who refuse to take an honest look at this topic.

But if this a topic you find interesting, please continue to research it.

Show her this since I am not certain she reads me.


The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is a 1994 book by American psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein

[BillyBob]

Show her this since I am not certain she reads me.


The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is a 1994 book by American psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein


She's already discredited psychologists.

[Kathianne]

You might want to read the The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is a 1994 book by American psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein

Did so, years ago. What is your take on it?

[BillyBob]

Did so, years ago. What is your take on it?


Speaking of stats, how do you react to the recent scientific discovery that non-africans are [significantly] genetically different than africans?

[Robert A Whit]

Did so, years ago. What is your take on it?

I have not yet read the book. But the topic seems right up your alley. I do own the book though.

[Kathianne]

I posted DoJ stats and they were discredited as 'intellectually dishonest'. If the DoJ isn't credible then I'm pretty sure there are no amount of links I could provide that would satisfy those who refuse to take an honest look at this topic.

But if this a topic you find interesting, please continue to research it.

I wasn't arguing your stats, don't think I've done so at all. I asked about your IQ graphic, you answered. I asked for sources used, you sent me to the site of the Dr? of psychology? RW brings up the Bell Curve, read it when it was published, heck it's probably still in the house somewhere.

You are aware I'm sure, that there were multiple problems with their findings? Quick summary can be found here:

http://www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/1997/01/the_bell_curve_flattened.2.html

Slate? One may ask, why? Well explained within that article, was the fact that the authors chose to go 'trade' rather than academic. They also chose not to send out gallies to qualified readers. So, they ended up with a bestseller, but in fact as time went on they couldn't avoid peer reviews, which continue to this day.

http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~cfc/Chabris1998a.html

[Kathianne]

Speaking of stats, how do you react to the recent scientific discovery that non-africans are [significantly] genetically different than africans?

I'm not a geneticist. If you posted a link I missed it. I'll gladly read an article.

[BillyBob]

Sometimes you don't need books or stats or links or graphs to verify what you already know from real life experience.

[Kathianne]

Sometimes you don't need books or stats or links or graphs to verify what you already know from real life experience.

Right, that is called opinion or prejudice. As I said, never questioned your facts, indeed if the graphic had a link to a credible source, would have taken it more seriously. Citing people, even those with 'credentials' that are using your above 'real life experiences' to publish 'purported findings,' tends not to work out so well.

[Robert A Whit]

I wasn't arguing your stats, don't think I've done so at all. I asked about your IQ graphic, you answered. I asked for sources used, you sent me to the site of the Dr? of psychology? RW brings up the Bell Curve, read it when it was published, heck it's probably still in the house somewhere.

You are aware I'm sure, that there were multiple problems with their findings? Quick summary can be found here:

http://www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/1997/01/the_bell_curve_flattened.2.html

Slate? One may ask, why? Well explained within that article, was the fact that the authors chose to go 'trade' rather than academic. They also chose not to send out gallies to qualified readers. So, they ended up with a bestseller, but in fact as time went on they couldn't avoid peer reviews, which continue to this day.

http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~cfc/Chabris1998a.html

The link to Harvard did a fine job defending the book. I don't believe slate is the place to find a scholars opinion other than as an opinion piece.

[Robert A Whit]

Right, that is called opinion or prejudice. As I said, never questioned your facts, indeed if the graphic had a link to a credible source, would have taken it more seriously. Citing people, even those with 'credentials' that are using your above 'real life experiences' to publish 'purported findings,' tends not to work out so well.

So, you know more about this than say Harvard?

[Kathianne]

The link to Harvard did a fine job defending the book. I don't believe slate is the place to find a scholars opinion other than as an opinion piece.

Indeed, LOL! Take a look at the various studies cited, both sides. No problem following back, that what research is all about. Go ahead, find those works cited you think back up the 'inferiority by race.' Please report back.

[BillyBob]

Right, that is called opinion or prejudice.

It's called real life experience.

[Kathianne]

It's called real life experience.

Call it what you like, no problem.

[Robert A Whit]

Prejudice is born of ignorance. Real life experience is not ignorance.

To pre judge, states or at the least implies one opines but has nothing at all to base it on. Billybob is correct again.

The act of judging needs experience and a lot of study and Billybob measures up.

[Kathianne]

Prejudice is born of ignorance. Real life experience is not ignorance.

To pre judge, states or at the least implies one opines but has nothing at all to base it on. Billybob is correct again.

The act of judging needs experience and a lot of study and Billybob measures up.

If the information you take in is not based on truth, you will arrive at a place that hasn't anything to do with truth.

[BillyBob]

If the information you take in is not based on truth, you will arrive at a place that hasn't anything to do with truth.


We have seen that with quite a few posters here. Ironic how the uninformed ones are usually the loudest, but I won't mention any names. I will, however, direct you to a thread I started in the cage about a deer and it's tick.

[Robert A Whit]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Robert A Whit http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=640032#post640032)
Prejudice is born of ignorance. Real life experience is not ignorance.

To pre judge, states or at the least implies one opines but has nothing at all to base it on. Billybob is correct again.

The act of judging needs experience and a lot of study and Billybob measures up.


If the information you take in is not based on truth, you will arrive at a place that hasn't anything to do with truth.

You get no argument from me on that. I find that facts do get argued over and words like prejudice creeps in. That despite no proof it is actually prejudice.

[Kathianne]

You get no argument from me on that. I find that facts do get argued over and words like prejudice creeps in. That despite no proof it is actually prejudice.

I'm not saying anyone is doing the following, but if your 'sources' are determined for a certain outcome, that's not research, it's not truth, it's not gut feelings or experiences. It's letting the topic determine the outcome. That was the findings on the Bell Curve. Indeed, they could have been onto something, but when one starts to go down that road of pushing an outcome, one gets ridiculed.

[Robert A Whit]

I'm not saying anyone is doing the following, but if your 'sources' are determined for a certain outcome, that's not research, it's not truth, it's not gut feelings or experiences. It's letting the topic determine the outcome. That was the findings on the Bell Curve. Indeed, they could have been onto something, but when one starts to go down that road of pushing an outcome, one gets ridiculed.

I think Harvard, and excuse the label since I used your own link says the book is accurate.

I don't expect much can get done until some person makes some declaration as his purpose of study. He may expect an outcome yet publish the truth. Truth is backed up by facts and i believe Bell Curve is full of facts.

[Kathianne]

I think Harvard, and excuse the label since I used your own link says the book is accurate.

I don't expect much can get done until some person makes some declaration as his purpose of study. He may expect an outcome yet publish the truth. Truth is backed up by facts and i believe Bell Curve is full of facts.

Of course you do, you own the book you've not read. :rolleyes:

[Robert A Whit]

Of course you do, you own the book you've not read. :rolleyes:

I am relying mostly on your own link from Harvard. I don't mind admitting I did not read the book yet. I have many books to read on my bucket list. I bought it only because it contains a lot of facts and I happened to be wondering about the Bell curve and what it means to the public.

[Kathianne]

I am relying mostly on your own link from Harvard. I don't mind admitting I did not read the book yet. I have many books to read on my bucket list. I bought it only because it contains a lot of facts and I happened to be wondering about the Bell curve and what it means to the public.

word

[BillyBob]

YO, BELL CURVE!

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/ghetto_style.jpg

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Kathianne http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=639994#post639994)
Thanks again. Doesn't seem to be a biologist or a geneticist. A psychologist writing on such really doesn't seem authoritative. Perhaps some other links would be good.



I'm sure google is full of them.

Translation of BB post: I cannot back up what I said with anything authoritative, so do your own damned research to prove me wrong.

[BillyBob]

Translation of BB post: I cannot back up what I said with anything authoritative, so do your own damned research to prove me wrong.


Wrong whiner, I have backed up my posts with links, graphs, well articulated arguments and a bit of levity thrown in for entertainment purposes.

You should try it for once.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Wrong whiner, I have backed up my posts with links, graphs, well articulated arguments and a bit of levity thrown in for entertainment purposes.

You should try it for once.

Still waiting for a link from the DOJ that says specifically 'black people are lazy' & 'black people are irresponsible'. Yet to see an actual DOJ link use the same words YOU did.

[BillyBob]

Still waiting for a link from the DOJ that says specifically 'black people are lazy' & 'black people are irresponsible'. Yet to see an actual DOJ link use the same words YOU did.


I already posted a DoJ link, as you well know.

Now participate in the topic or go whine to the admin some more.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=640106#post640106)
Still waiting for a link from the DOJ that says specifically 'black people are lazy' & 'black people are irresponsible'. Yet to see an actual DOJ link use the same words YOU did.



I already posted a DoJ link, as you well know.

Now participate in the topic or go whine to the admin some more.

you posted a DOJ link that did not back up your claims that black people are lazy and irresponsible. Those words were nowhere on the DOJ link. You lied, to serve your own racist agenda.

[BillyBob]

you posted a DOJ link that did not back up your claims that black people are lazy and irresponsible. Those words were nowhere on the DOJ link. You lied, to serve your own racist agenda.


We've been over this already, many times. I'm sorry you aren't smart enough to understand it but I'm not going to keep beating a dead horse...or squashing a dead tick.


Either join the conversation or move on.

[actsnoblemartin]

first of all

I didnt know an "entire racial or ethnic group was born with a criminal mentality"

I do know however that some areas of the country are low income high crime areas, and those areas are predominantly black and latino.

Stats have a way of being used to prove anyone's point of view, see op

again, i didnt know an entire racial or ethnic group, in this case, black americans were a blight on our society

Its preety absured youre question: what do we do with them..... what are we going to ship them back to africa or put them in camps? what do you mean what do we do with them?

Now, you are correct that their is a culture in this country of thuggishness, but its not exclusive to black americans, lets not forget latino, asian and white supremict gangs.

Again, I think your confusing economics, or lack of economic opportunity, areas of high crime and low income are going to have more crime, and predominantly blackand hispanic residents, your going to have more crimes committed by blacks and latinos

Since when are any ethnic or racial group a beacon of purity, without sin. Since when do the vast majority black babies as opposed to non black babies come out of the womb declaring, damn, I dont want an a good education, or a great job, which unfortunently many are still born into high crime low income neighborhoods, sadly declare, ya know as i grow up, I wanna be a rapist/murderer some day.

and... I wanna be a lazy motherfucker.

Your whole premise is blacks are inferior and subhuman

its not about your stats, its about your interpretation of the stats i have a problem with.

and by the way, every popular form of music, from rock, blues, preety every genre was created by wait for it, black americans.

and to say blacks are any less intelligent or more irresponsible is purely racist

in other words, youre either incapable of nuanced conversation, or you really just want to piss people off


QUOTE=BillyBob;639368]Yes, it's true. Blacks in the US commit murder and other violent crimes 7 times more frequently than whites per capita. They are a culture of violence, irresponsibility, murder, rape, stupidity, laziness and crappy music.

They are the blight of our society. So the question is, what should we do about it?[/QUOTE]

[Robert A Whit]

first of all

I didnt know an "entire racial or ethnic group was born with a criminal mentality"

I do know however that some areas of the country are low income high crime areas, and those areas are predominantly black and latino.

Stats have a way of being used to prove anyone's point of view, see op

again, i didnt know an entire racial or ethnic group, in this case, black americans were a blight on our society

Its preety absured youre question: what do we do with them..... what are we going to ship them back to africa or put them in camps? what do you mean what do we do with them?

Now, you are correct that their is a culture in this country of thuggishness, but its not exclusive to black americans, lets not forget latino, asian and white supremict gangs.

Again, I think your confusing economics, or lack of economic opportunity, areas of high crime and low income are going to have more crime, and predominantly blackand hispanic residents, your going to have more crimes committed by blacks and latinos

Since when are any ethnic or racial group a beacon of purity, without sin. Since when do the vast majority black babies as opposed to non black babies come out of the womb declaring, damn, I dont want an a good education, or a great job, which unfortunently many are still born into high crime low income neighborhoods, sadly declare, ya know as i grow up, I wanna be a rapist/murderer some day.

and... I wanna be a lazy motherfucker.

Your whole premise is blacks are inferior and subhuman

its not about your stats, its about your interpretation of the stats i have a problem with.

and by the way, every popular form of music, from rock, blues, preety every genre was created by wait for it, black americans.

and to say blacks are any less intelligent or more irresponsible is purely racist

in other words, youre either incapable of nuanced conversation, or you really just want to piss people off


QUOTE=BillyBob;639368]Yes, it's true. Blacks in the US commit murder and other violent crimes 7 times more frequently than whites per capita. They are a culture of violence, irresponsibility, murder, rape, stupidity, laziness and crappy music.

They are the blight of our society. So the question is, what should we do about it?

All BillyBob reported is just the facts. The poster doing the rant went way overboard. While he does not like your comments, he certainly did not help himself in any fashion.

[red states rule]

We've been over this already, many times. I'm sorry you aren't smart enough to understand it but I'm not going to keep beating a dead horse...or squashing a dead tick.


Either join the conversation or move on.

If nothing else you play into the hands of the far left that have portrayed conservatives as racist idiots for the last 60 years. I am sure they thank you for your help and support

[Robert A Whit]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by BillyBob http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=640117#post640117)
We've been over this already, many times. I'm sorry you aren't smart enough to understand it but I'm not going to keep beating a dead horse...or squashing a dead tick.


Either join the conversation or move on.


If nothing else you play into the hands of the far left that have portrayed conservatives as racist idiots for the last 60 years. I am sure they thank you for your help and support


Maybe he wants to smoke out the left wingers????

BTW, check out his OP on the topic.

[red states rule]

Maybe he wants to smoke out the left wingers????

BTW, check out his OP on the topic.

I do not believe so. I have read his posts and he comes across as a racist idiot. He will be held up by the few libs we have here as a poster child of conservatism that hates blacks

[taft2012]

You're all free to do as you chose.

But I came to the conclusion rather quickly that conversing with BillyBob is as rewarding and productive as putting my scrotum on an anvil and whacking it repeatedly with a ballpeen hammer.

[tailfins]

You're all free to do as you chose.

But I came to the conclusion rather quickly that conversing with BillyBob is as rewarding and productive as putting my scrotum on an anvil and whacking it repeatedly with a ballpeen hammer.

Couldn't you say the same for Gabby? That's why I had some suspicions that BillyBob was a caricature invented by Gabby or somebody like her. Maybe he is a real poster; I don't know.

[BillyBob]

If nothing else you play into the hands of the far left that have portrayed conservatives as racist idiots for the last 60 years. I am sure they thank you for your help and support


Big deal. Libs call everybody who isn't a lib a 'racist'.

[Robert A Whit]

I do not believe so. I have read his posts and he comes across as a racist idiot. He will be held up by the few libs we have here as a poster child of conservatism that hates blacks

I am sorry this time pardner. We must agree to disagree. He touched a group considered by left wingers to be taboo or not available to discuss and took it head on. He has some things to say that seem important to me. He has not run down negros so much as presented studies made by others.

[Robert A Whit]

Billybob, you present solid data.

For purposes of discussion, maybe you need to explain that being black is not the problem, but it is limited to those in that group that eagerly commit crimes.

We have too many negroes that use the excuse of being black so to keep it on track and not rile up some you would call friend, perhaps limit it to those that do the crimes and not give off the appearance the topic is against all negros.

Maybe I am wrong and you do intend to trash all of them. That would be unfortunate as i can testify that many of my negro clients are great people.

[BillyBob]

I guess there are only a couple options when confronted with a topic like this:

Either take an honest look at the data and discuss things reasonably [which takes maturity and honesty]

or

Ignore the facts and simply call the person providing them a 'racist'. [which is the reaction of fools]

[BillyBob]

Big deal. Libs call everybody who isn't a lib a 'racist'.


Oh, you didn't vote for Obama? You must be a racist.
Oh, you don't like Obamacare? You must be a racist.
Oh, you are against welfare? You must be a racist.
Oh, you don't have an interracial marriage? You must be a racist.
Oh, you are against illegal immigration? You must be a racist.
Oh, you have a problem with Islam? You must be a racist.
Oh, you're a Christian? You must be a racist.
Oh, you're a white Republican? You must be a racist.

*yawn

[fj1200]

... take an honest look at the data and discuss things reasonably...

OK


... what should we do about it?

What should we do about it?

[BillyBob]

OK



What should we do about it?


I don't know, that is why I posited the question.

1. My first suggestion would be to take them all off welfare. Take everybody off welfare.
2. Crack down on gang violence. Blacks have a much higher rate of gang membership than any other race.
3. Stop encouraging their anti-social behavior by making excuses for them.
4. Prosecute them with race crimes whenever they commit one.
5. Stop being afraid to be called a racist when addressing these issues.

[fj1200]

I don't know, that is why I posited the question.

1. My first suggestion would be to take them all off welfare. Take everybody off welfare.
2. Crack down on gang violence. Blacks have a much higher rate of gang membership than any other race.
3. Stop encouraging their anti-social behavior by making excuses for them.
4. Prosecute them with race crimes whenever they commit one.
5. Stop being afraid to be called a racist when addressing these issues.

So... stick, not carrot? :poke:

Welfare reform, decriminalize MJ (not sure how much that fits in yet), and lowering the regulatory cost of labor (payroll taxes, etc.).

[BillyBob]

So... stick, not carrot? :poke:

Welfare reform, decriminalize MJ (not sure how much that fits in yet), and lowering the regulatory cost of labor (payroll taxes, etc.).


I'm always for lower taxes, but you can't force people to work who refuse to.

Pot shouldn't have been illegal in the first place. I doubt that is the drug most blacks have been incarcerated for, but I haven't seen any stats considering that. If you have some, please post them.

[fj1200]

I'm always for lower taxes, but you can't force people to work who refuse to.

Pot shouldn't have been illegal in the first place. I doubt that is the drug most blacks have been incarcerated for, but I haven't seen any stats considering that. If you have some, please post them.

Law Enforcement Community Members Back Marijuana Legalization Ballot Measure In Colorado (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/marijuana-legalization-ba_n_1900974.html)
"Keeping these outdated prohibition laws on the books accomplishes nothing to reduce marijuana use, but it does cause incredible damage to our communities of color," Blacks in Law Enforcement said in a statement. "Even though African Americans use marijuana at a rate virtually identical to that of whites, people from our community are arrested, sentenced and jailed at a much higher rate. Passing Amendment 64, while it won't solve all our problems, is a great step toward ensuring equality for all under the law."

Marijuana Arrest Stats Based On Race (http://www.precinctreporter.com/community/inland-empire/186-marijuana-arrest-stats-according-to-race)
“Blacks account for 12% of the population, 14% of annual marijuana users, and 31% of marijuana possession arrests,” the report states. “While these are national survey figures it is unlikely that local variances in the prevalence of marijuana use among blacks and whites account for the tremendous disparities in arrest rates.”

And who says people don't want to work? Lower wage employment in this country is at a disadvantage as I mentioned before. Without entry level jobs for some there is no way to work up and in many cases the next level jobs are gone because they've been regulated away as well.

[BillyBob]

"Keeping these outdated prohibition laws on the books accomplishes nothing to reduce marijuana use, but it does cause incredible damage to our communities of color," Blacks in Law Enforcement said in a statement. "Even though African Americans use marijuana at a rate virtually identical to that of whites, people from our community are arrested, sentenced and jailed at a much higher rate. Passing Amendment 64, while it won't solve all our problems, is a great step toward ensuring equality for all under the law."


Think about all the potential reasons for that.

1. Blacks could have been caught committing other crimes and had pot on them.
2. Blacks could be selling more pot than their white counterparts. Selling most assuredly comes with a heftier penalty.
3. Blacks might draw more attention to themselves in order to invoke a traffic stop.

The list goes on and on.

[BillyBob]

“Blacks account for 12% of the population, 14% of annual marijuana users, and 31% of marijuana possession arrests,” the report states. “While these are national survey figures it is unlikely that local variances in the prevalence of marijuana use among blacks and whites account for the tremendous disparities in arrest rates.”


They don't specifically tell you what the blacks were arrested for.

[BillyBob]

And who says people don't want to work? Lower wage employment in this country is at a disadvantage as I mentioned before. Without entry level jobs for some there is no way to work up and in many cases the next level jobs are gone because they've been regulated away as well.

McDonalds is always hiring.

[fj1200]

Think about all the potential reasons for that.

1. Blacks could have been caught committing other crimes and had pot on them.
2. Blacks could be selling more pot than their white counterparts. Selling most assuredly comes with a heftier penalty.
3. Blacks might draw more attention to themselves in order to invoke a traffic stop.

The list goes on and on.


They don't specifically tell you what the blacks were arrested for.

Are you trying not to think of the obvious reasons?

[BillyBob]

Are you trying not to think of the obvious reasons?


I posted some of the obvious reasons.

[fj1200]

McDonalds is always hiring.

Which doesn't address my other point.

[fj1200]

I posted some of the obvious reasons.

Yes you did. :rolleyes: Any statistical evidence for them?

[BillyBob]

Which doesn't address my other point.


I addressed the point that jobs are available yet blacks refuse to take them. McDonalds will most certainly hire blacks. I know this because they screw up my orders regularly.

[BillyBob]

Yes you did. :rolleyes: Any statistical evidence for them?


Do you have any statistical evidence refuting them?

[fj1200]

I addressed the point that jobs are available yet blacks refuse to take them. McDonalds will most certainly hire blacks. I know this because they screw up my orders regularly.


So... stick, not carrot? :poke:

Welfare reform, decriminalize MJ (not sure how much that fits in yet), and lowering the regulatory cost of labor (payroll taxes, etc.).

Circles again?

[fj1200]

Do you have any statistical evidence refuting them?

Your reasons. Your evidence?

[BillyBob]

Circles again?


Are you saying McDonalds isn't hiring?

[fj1200]

Are you saying McDonalds isn't hiring?


Circles again?

A "yes" would have been fine.

[BillyBob]

Your reasons. Your evidence?


I responded to your post and gave you a few GOOD reasons for the apparent 'disparity'. Which ones do you find implausible?

[fj1200]

I responded to your post and gave you a few GOOD reasons for the apparent 'disparity'. Which ones do you find implausible?

I don't advocate based on "plausible."

[BillyBob]

A "yes" would have been fine.

So you are indeed saying that McDonalds isn't hiring. I'm pretty sure I can prove you wrong.


Here's their link for available jobs.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/careers/working_here.html

I typed in 'Nashville' and about 50 [probably more, I didn't count] jobs are available.
http://www.mcstate.com/careers/jobs?stateid=41&type=all&locales%5B%5D=41%3ANashville&Search=


And that's just McDonalds, I'm sure other fast food restaurants have similar opportunities.

[BillyBob]

I don't advocate based on "plausible."


Well then, do some research and find us all the reasons those blacks were arrested. It's your claim, after all.

Or are you afraid you'll discover I'm right?

[red states rule]

Big deal. Libs call everybody who isn't a lib a 'racist'.

In your case it fits

I would not be surprised if you operated a linen service for the KKK

[BillyBob]

In your case it fits

I have written nothing racist.





I would not be surprised if you operated a linen service for the KKK


Naw, we send our robes out to the chinese, they come back SO white. They have that 'Ancient Chinese Secret', you know.

[Robert A Whit]

In your case it fits

I would not be surprised if you operated a linen service for the KKK

Please, getting too personal. I want you to keep posting and not get thread banned.

[red states rule]

I have written nothing racist.







Naw, we send our robes out to the chinese, they come back SO white. They have that 'Ancient Chinese Secret', you know.

All you have posted is racist BS. You make Archie Bunker look sane and reasonable

[BillyBob]

All you have posted is racist BS. You make Archie Bunker look sane and reasonable


I'll take that as a win.

[red states rule]

Please, getting too personal. I want you to keep posting and not get thread banned.

This is between me and the racist asshole

Last I checked you are not a staff member so you should not be deciding if what I post is deserving of a thread banned

Any questions PM a staff member

[red states rule]

I'll take that as a win.

You can brag about it at your meetin' tonight

[BillyBob]

You can brag about it at your meetin' tonight


Tonight's gonna be special, we got one of them there rap singers performing for us and then Maya Angelou is gonna read us some poetry while we eat soul food and drink 40 ouncers. Word dawg!

[Voted4Reagan]

Tonight's gonna be special, we got one of them there rap singers performing for us and then Maya Angelou is gonna read us some poetry while we eat soul food and drink 40 ouncers. Word dawg!

what a completely inappropriate remark...

how much more can you sink?

[BillyBob]

what a completely inappropriate remark...

how much more can you sink?

Right, but these are perfectly acceptable.



In your case it fits

I would not be surprised if you operated a linen service for the KKK




You can brag about it at your meetin' tonight

[BillyBob]

what a completely inappropriate remark...

how much more can you sink?


Well I guess it's a good thing Tuesday isn't Lynching Night, eh?

[Voted4Reagan]

Well I guess it's a good thing Tuesday isn't Lynching Night, eh?

you've been here a week and already pissed off the mods and members...

a little humility and reserved opinions might do you well.....

dial it down and you might be accepted more...

[BillyBob]

you've been here a week and already pissed off the mods and members...

a little humility and reserved opinions might do you well.....

dial it down and you might be accepted more...

Oh don't worry about me, I'm doing alright. But thank you for your sincere, heart-felt concern. I really mean that. Thanks.

[red states rule]

what a completely inappropriate remark...

how much more can you sink?

Eh, how about more then the Titanic sank?

He needs to take his racist garbage to a white supremacist board

[tailfins]

All you have posted is racist BS. You make Archie Bunker look sane and reasonable

Archie Bunker was an invention of Norman Lear. Norman Lear was a huge lefty, but I still enjoy the series.


you've been here a week and already pissed off the mods and members...

a little humility and reserved opinions might do you well.....

dial it down and you might be accepted more...

That's quite an accomplishment! "Billybob" isn't just some piker; he has skill and talent.

[fj1200]

So you are indeed saying that McDonalds isn't hiring. I'm pretty sure I can prove you wrong.

"McDonalds is hiring" is not the cure for society's ills.


Well then, do some research and find us all the reasons those blacks were arrested. It's your claim, after all.

Or are you afraid you'll discover I'm right?

Actually it's your claims that are in question.

[actsnoblemartin]

known red for years

known billy for 5 min

benefit of doubt award goes to

:joy4:

[BillyBob]

"McDonalds is hiring" is not the cure for society's ills.

Well, they are still hiring. So what exactly is the cure? And what exactly ills the society?




Actually it's your claims that are in question.

My claims have been verified.

[fj1200]

Well, they are still hiring. So what exactly is the cure? And what exactly ills the society?

I can think of one thing.


My claims have been verified.

Uh huh.

[BillyBob]

Eh, how about more then the Titanic sank?

He needs to take his racist garbage to a white supremacist board


I've haven't made any racist statements.

[actsnoblemartin]

im not gonna argue whether or not you have made racist comments or not, because that is open to interpretation.

but i will say, you have made some preety judgmental, mean-spirited, and damning comments of an entire race of people, without any nuanced explanation as to why other then, i got me some statistics. which i consider a bit callus in my humble judgment

so no, im not calling you racist, maybe racial, racially charged.

but i dont agree with you

[actsnoblemartin]

I dont believe you are open to a real discussion or dialogue of the true causes of crime or poverty across america, or among minorities.

as i see it, you just wanna denigrate one group of people, and thats not cool. Whether its racist or not, its just plain nasty and mean spirited, and i wont be a part of painting a whole group of with such a broad brush

now, if you ever decide to realize, and i wont hold my breath that is not a black and white, no pun intended issue. and decide to truly discuss the nuanced cause and effects of this. Not just cruel and heartless, judgmental, third grade phrases.

then ill be more then happy to engage you

till then, bite me :slap:

[BillyBob]

I dont believe you are open to a real discussion or dialogue of the true causes of crime or poverty across america, or among minorities.

Of course I am.



as i see it, you just wanna denigrate one group of people, and thats not cool. Whether its racist or not, its just plain nasty and mean spirited, and i wont be a part of painting a whole group of with such a broad brush

I haven't denigrated anybody. I have, however, been denigrated by many members of this site. So if you have a problem with denigration I suggest you take it up with them.




now, if you ever decide to realize, and i wont hold my breath that is not a black and white, no pun intended issue. and decide to truly discuss the nuanced cause and effects of this. Not just cruel and heartless, judgmental, third grade phrases.

then ill be more then happy to engage you

I have been all along.




till then, bite me :slap:

Right back atcha big fella.

[BillyBob]

im not gonna argue whether or not you have made racist comments or not, because that is open to interpretation.

but i will say, you have made some preety judgmental, mean-spirited, and damning comments of an entire race of people, without any nuanced explanation as to why other then, i got me some statistics. which i consider a bit callus in my humble judgment

so no, im not calling you racist, maybe racial, racially charged.

but i dont agree with you


I certainly have an interest in whether the causes of black criminality are cultural or genetic or both. Poverty doesn't cause crime, so it's not that. I'd be more inclined to say that crime is a cause of poverty.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I dont believe you are open to a real discussion or dialogue of the true causes of crime or poverty across america, or among minorities.

as i see it, you just wanna denigrate one group of people, and thats not cool. Whether its racist or not, its just plain nasty and mean spirited, and i wont be a part of painting a whole group of with such a broad brush

now, if you ever decide to realize, and i wont hold my breath that is not a black and white, no pun intended issue. and decide to truly discuss the nuanced cause and effects of this. Not just cruel and heartless, judgmental, third grade phrases.

then ill be more then happy to engage you

till then, bite me :slap:

The hasn't been a case of this subject being discussed truthfully without the truth teller being called a damn racist and other assorted vile names since the 60's..And that has only gotten worse every year since then. The RACE CARD negates TRUTH, it is in fact designed to do exactly that! WHY? Because the goal is to deny --ANY RESPONSIBILITY-- be put onto the blacks to change their culture from a grab everything you can and live for the now mentality that exists so strongly there. The black male is aggresive and often criminal because their society has no restraints against that and its normal to see the father(when present) to viciously dominate the mother. Also to see the father selfishly seek to appease whatever vices he has.
It is by and large a very bad situation caused by bad family and cultural values inherent in the black community. This has been multipied a thousandfold by the dem party and its buy the black vote giveaway programs.
Now, I await for the calls of racism with a smile on my face.
Truth denied is EVIL PROMOTED.. A FACT.--Tyr

[gabosaurus]

Rednecks has an idiot mentality. This is a certainty for all of you.

[actsnoblemartin]

the problem is: criminality is relegated to the black community only

out of wed lock births are high in other communities as well

why some wanna act as if this only a black issue is beyond me

now we could talk about an american issue

that has nothing to do with race

the issue of entitlement

for they exist in every community

from those who want their housing, health care, and everything else handed to them for free

[actsnoblemartin]

the way you word things bob, and tyr matters.

You can imply all people of one race are criminals, but then again you can drive with your knees

same result, your gonna eventually crash

[aboutime]

the way you word things bob, and tyr matters.

You can imply all people of one race are criminals, but then again you can drive with your knees

same result, your gonna eventually crash


Let's all learn, and hear about how Billbob feels about Humanity like this...without the standard racist attacks...5028 two HUMAN BEINGS who happen to be neighbors that CARE for each other.