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Little-Acorn
05-20-2013, 11:07 AM
Liberals have been telling us for decades (or longer) that government is the best instrument for providing "social justice", righting wrongs, and making up for deficiencies. Since those things abound in any human society, their response it to constantly grow government, assign it to clear up problems here, regulate there, and restrict in another place. In this way, we will wind up with a better society.

Yet now we have had an opportunity to examine closely how that is working out. And it's not a pretty sight. Three different groups in our government have flatly messed up recently - and it's the liberals themselves who tell us that this is so.

It is NOT a result of leaders who have done the wrong thing, guided government the wrong way. In every case, the leftists themselves tell us, the leader of the particular section, had nothing to do with it. It was NOT the result of the policy for that section. Every time, it is low-level underlings who have screwed up, who have done something other than what their managers intended.

And this should not be a surprise to us, those same liberals tell us. One of President Obama's senior advisers, came out and said flatly that there is no way the President could have been aware of the various things that were going wrong. "You know, we have a large government. Part of being president is there’s so much beneath you, that you can’t know because the government is so vast.", he said.

Time and again, the reasons why things have gone wrong, is because managers could not know what was going on in their own departments. The acting Chief of the IRS said that he knew nothing about what his agency was doing while targeting conservatives - he only found out through news reports. Even the President has said more than once that he knew nothing about various events until he saw the news.

Are we beginning to see what the the most basic problem is, in large central government? It is made of nothing but offices staffed by ordinary people, with no particular expertise in doing what they are doing. The people who did so much wrong in the IRS, were not top-flight accountants - they were basically low-level bureaucrats. Those who dropped the ball in Benghazi, were not our top diplomats or politicians, they were underlings who did not pass on messages or made a bad decision on whether to dispatch a rescue mission that was ready and waiting. The top guy at Justice did not sign off on the warrant to seize AP phone records, it was someone lower, who obviously goofed and violated the reporters' 1st amendment rights - something the top guy wouldn never have done.

Liberals from the President on down are telling us straight out, that the problem is that government is too big. And that's why so much is going wrong.

Conservatives have been saying this for years, of course, if not for generations. But now that the big-government advocates themselves are finally agreeing... shouldn't we start listening? And doing something about it?

It's time to start cutting back on government. For the simple reason that growing government is creating more problems than it is solving. EVERYONE involved, is telling us so. Is there anyone left, anywhere, who is not saying the same?

It is unanimous now. Time to get rid of Big Government. The very people who brought it to us, are now telling us that they cannot control it, and had nothing to do with the repeated screwups, violations of our rights, and even deaths that have resulted directly from the unweildy ponderousness of the government.

I'm convinced. Is there anyone left who isn't?

Little-Acorn
05-20-2013, 12:35 PM
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Foden290130520-Big%20Gov't20130519125815.jpg

gabosaurus
05-20-2013, 12:43 PM
You lost the election. You have no rights. :salute:

Little-Acorn
05-20-2013, 01:00 PM
Conservatives have been saying for yeas that Big Government is a bad idea. One reason is because there's no way Big Govt could make decisions as deftly, with as much information about each person's actualy situation, as the individuals themselves could.

Now that liberals are agreeing with this assertion, is there any reason left, not to start cutting down the size of government?

Robert A Whit
05-20-2013, 01:05 PM
Liberals have been telling us for decades (or longer) that government is the best instrument for providing "social justice", righting wrongs, and making up for deficiencies. Since those things abound in any human society, their response it to constantly grow government, assign it to clear up problems here, regulate there, and restrict in another place. In this way, we will wind up with a better society.

Yet now we have had an opportunity to examine closely how that is working out. And it's not a pretty sight. Three different groups in our government have flatly messed up recently - and it's the liberals themselves who tell us that this is so.

It is NOT a result of leaders who have done the wrong thing, guided government the wrong way. In every case, the leftists themselves tell us, the leader of the particular section, had nothing to do with it. It was NOT the result of the policy for that section. Every time, it is low-level underlings who have screwed up, who have done something other than what their managers intended.

And this should not be a surprise to us, those same liberals tell us. One of President Obama's senior advisers, came out and said flatly that there is no way the President could have been aware of the various things that were going wrong. "You know, we have a large government. Part of being president is there’s so much beneath you, that you can’t know because the government is so vast.", he said.

Time and again, the reasons why things have gone wrong, is because managers could not know what was going on in their own departments. The acting Chief of the IRS said that he knew nothing about what his agency was doing while targeting conservatives - he only found out through news reports. Even the President has said more than once that he knew nothing about various events until he saw the news.

Are we beginning to see what the the most basic problem is, in large central government? It is made of nothing but offices staffed by ordinary people, with no particular expertise in doing what they are doing. The people who did so much wrong in the IRS, were not top-flight accountants - they were basically low-level bureaucrats. Those who dropped the ball in Benghazi, were not our top diplomats or politicians, they were underlings who did not pass on messages or made a bad decision on whether to dispatch a rescue mission that was ready and waiting. The top guy at Justice did not sign off on the warrant to seize AP phone records, it was someone lower, who obviously goofed and violated the reporters' 1st amendment rights - something the top guy wouldn never have done.

Liberals from the President on down are telling us straight out, that the problem is that government is too big. And that's why so much is going wrong.

Conservatives have been saying this for years, of course, if not for generations. But now that the big-government advocates themselves are finally agreeing... shouldn't we start listening? And doing something about it?

It's time to start cutting back on government. For the simple reason that growing government is creating more problems than it is solving. EVERYONE involved, is telling us so. Is there anyone left, anywhere, who is not saying the same?

It is unanimous now. Time to get rid of Big Government. The very people who brought it to us, are now telling us that they cannot control it, and had nothing to do with the repeated screwups, violations of our rights, and even deaths that have resulted directly from the unweildy ponderousness of the government.

I'm convinced. Is there anyone left who isn't?

Well said.

With far too many regulations and laws on the books, it is to be expected.

Each new law calls for more government workers.

CSM
05-20-2013, 01:08 PM
Conservatives have been saying for yeas that Big Government is a bad idea. One reason is because there's no way Big Govt could make decisions as deftly, with as much information about each person's actualy situation, as the individuals themselves could.

Now that liberals are agreeing with this assertion, is there any reason left, not to start cutting down the size of government?

I seriously doubt that the current crop of voters will agree to ANY reduction in the size of the government especially given that the politicians have been very busy handing out entitlements like there is an endless supply of money available. I suspect that this nation could declare bankruptcy and be taken over by some foreign government before some voters would even begin to think about changing their ways.

tailfins
05-20-2013, 01:08 PM
You lost the election. You have no rights. :salute:


Sure thing, Evita.

aboutime
05-20-2013, 01:33 PM
You lost the election. You have no rights. :salute:


You should combine that line above with your other statement about how YOU are not proud of America...Gabby-Michelle.

Little-Acorn
05-20-2013, 02:53 PM
Sure thing, Evita.

You should combine that line above with your other statement about how YOU are not proud of America...Gabby-Michelle.

Please don't feed the trolls.

red states rule
05-20-2013, 04:57 PM
http://cdn.motinetwork.net/politifake.org/image/political/1206/obamanomics-punish-success-reward-failure-obamanonics-politics-1339325422.jpg

BillyBob
05-20-2013, 06:15 PM
You lost the election. You have no rights. :salute:


Which Constitutional Amendment is that?

red states rule
05-21-2013, 02:34 AM
Gabby is very proud of her boy Obama. She does not listen to those voices


http://thepeoplescube.com/red/gallery/supercommissar-maksim-a34/reject-voices-tpc-i5070.jpg

Little-Acorn
05-21-2013, 10:11 AM
Which Constitutional Amendment is that?

Please don't feed the trolls.

BillyBob
05-21-2013, 10:07 PM
Please don't feed the trolls.

I was hoping for a response, but I guess that's not gonna happen.

red states rule
05-22-2013, 02:28 AM
Please don't feed the trolls.

But it is fun to kick her to the curb LA