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red states rule
06-06-2013, 01:58 AM
More of that economic recovery the liberal media is always telling us we are in





The market tanked Wednesday on bad preliminary job news. And so, when Friday's jobs report is released, the unemployment rate and the number of new jobs will come in for close scrutiny. Then again, they always attract the most attention. Even the Federal Reserve focuses on the unemployment rate, announcing on a number of occasions that a rate of 6.5% will indicate when it is time to start raising interest rates and winding down the Fed's easy-money policies.

Yet the unemployment rate is not the best guide to the strength of the labor market, particularly during this recession and recovery. Instead, the Fed and the rest of us should be watching the employment rate. There are two reasons.

First, the better measure of a strong labor market is the proportion of the population that is working, not the proportion that isn't. In 2006, 63.4% of the working-age population was employed. That percentage declined to a low of 58.2% in July 2011 and now stands at 58.6%. By this measure, the labor market's health has barely changed over the past three years.


Second, the headline unemployment rate, what the Bureau of Labor Statistics calls "U3," uses as its numerator the number of individuals who are actively seeking work but do not have jobs. There is another highly relevant measure that captures what is going on in the economy. "U6" counts those marginally attached to the workforce—including the unemployed who dropped out of the labor market and are not actively seeking work because they are discouraged, as well as those working part time because they cannot find full-time work.

Every time the unemployment rate changes, analysts and reporters try to determine whether unemployment changed because more people were actually working or because people simply dropped out of the labor market entirely, reducing the number actively seeking work. The employment rate—that is, the employment-to-population ratio—eliminates this issue by going straight to the bottom line, measuring the proportion of potential workers who are actually working.

During the past three decades the relation between unemployment and employment has been almost perfectly inverse. (See the nearby chart.) When the employment-to-population ratio rises, the unemployment rate falls. When the unemployment rate rises, the employment-to-population ratio falls. Even the turning points are aligned. Consequently, the unemployment rate has been a very good proxy for the employment rate. But that relationship has completely broken down during the most recent recession.

While the unemployment rate has fallen over the past 3½ years, the employment-to-population ratio has stayed almost constant at about 58.5%, well below the prerecession peak. Jobs are always being created and destroyed, and the net number of jobs over the last 3½ years has increased. But so too has the size of the working-age population. Job growth has been just slightly better than what it takes to keep the employed proportion of the working-age population constant. That's why jobs still seem so scarce.

The U.S. is not getting back many of the jobs that were lost during the recession. At the present slow pace of job growth, it will require more than a decade to get back to full employment defined by prerecession standards.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323728204578514183323171670.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

tailfins
06-06-2013, 06:00 AM
More of that economic recovery the liberal media is always telling us we are in

Too many people use accounts like this to justify giving up trying to better themselves. We are nowhere near 1930s conditions. The economy is still good enough to overcome its shortcomings. It requires extra effort and never taking your eye off your "street value", but it can still be done. The recession started in December 2007; a decade would be December 2017 which means four and a half years to go. Sure I think Obama is a drag on the economy, but that's no excuse to stop trying.

aboutime
06-06-2013, 05:29 PM
Too many people use accounts like this to justify giving up trying to better themselves. We are nowhere near 1930s conditions. The economy is still good enough to overcome its shortcomings. It requires extra effort and never taking your eye off your "street value", but it can still be done. The recession started in December 2007; a decade would be December 2017 which means four and a half years to go. Sure I think Obama is a drag on the economy, but that's no excuse to stop trying.


tailfins. If what you said above is true about the 1930's. Show us the SIXTEEN TRILLION in debt of the 1930's that matched today's economy.

Robert A Whit
06-06-2013, 07:05 PM
Too many people use accounts like this to justify giving up trying to better themselves. We are nowhere near 1930s conditions. The economy is still good enough to overcome its shortcomings. It requires extra effort and never taking your eye off your "street value", but it can still be done. The recession started in December 2007; a decade would be December 2017 which means four and a half years to go. Sure I think Obama is a drag on the economy, but that's no excuse to stop trying.

He should have tried the Reagan plan.

tailfins
06-06-2013, 07:19 PM
tailfins. If what you said above is true about the 1930's. Show us the SIXTEEN TRILLION in debt of the 1930's that matched today's economy.

Show me today's starvation and today's Dust Bowl.

Kathianne
06-08-2013, 12:00 AM
Too many people use accounts like this to justify giving up trying to better themselves. We are nowhere near 1930s conditions. The economy is still good enough to overcome its shortcomings. It requires extra effort and never taking your eye off your "street value", but it can still be done. The recession started in December 2007; a decade would be December 2017 which means four and a half years to go. Sure I think Obama is a drag on the economy, but that's no excuse to stop trying.

Says he who plays the 'best state to collect in' game.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/07/Three-Month-Average-of-Job-creation-plummets


The American economy has created 78,000 fewer jobs per month (http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/07/news/economy/may-jobs-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t2) over the last three months as compared to the previous three months. Between December of 2012 and February of 2013, 699,000 jobs were created; for an average of 233,000. Between March and May of 2013, however, the economy created only 466,000 jobs; for an average of 155,000 jobs. NBC News' Chuck Todd deserved credit for reporting this troubling fact on his MSNBC show "The Daily Rundown," but another troubling fact is that most of the media are celebrating today's numbers in a vacuum when the overall trend is a little chilling. There were also revisions to the last two months that resulted in a net loss of 12,000 jobs (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/07/may-jobs-report-175000-jobs-added-jobless-rate-steady-at-7-6/).


Also, now that the unemployment rate has crept back up (7.5% to 7.6%), the media have suddenly discovered the labor participation rate, something they all but ignored when the unemployment rate was going down -- not due to job creation, but because millions were giving up in their search for work. Now that a fraction of those who fled are returning, the media are claiming the rise in the unemployment rate is good news!


See how this works? Whether the unemployment rises or falls Obama freakin' rules!
Anyway, there are other signs the economy is heading in the wrong direction. Manufacturing shrunk in May (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/03/Unexpected-Manufacturing-Shrinks-in-May) to a four-year low (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/04/U-S-Manufacturing-Hits-Lowest-Output-In-Four-Years), consumer spending (a big driver of the economy) declined in April (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-31/consumer-spending-in-u-s-unexpectedly-falls-as-incomes-stagnate.html), wages and wealth (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/31/Study-Household-Wealth-Has-Yet-To-Rebound) remain stagnant.



Yep, some folks, especially the younger and older workers, keep relying on part-time piecemeal jobs to make ends meet. They are counted as 'employed' though we're seeing a rise in over qualified people working at under $12 an hour. No benefits, no full time work or even a chance for it.

red states rule
06-08-2013, 04:28 AM
Some people simply refuse to accept reality

Take Chris Matthews. He rants how Obama is perfect and has done nothing wrong



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DePimVb9dY

So who cares about rising unemployemnt? We have Obama and that should be enough