My friend Arkady speaks ...

[Robert A Whit]

Arkady Faktorovich Speaks at Tea PartyPublished June 16, 2011

http://atwatermerced912ers.com/2011/06/16/arkady-faktorovich-speaks-tea-party/

Thursday June 16th 6:30 – 8:30 at Pizza plus Fun in Winton. The speaker was Arkady Factorovich from Los Banos; if you missed this terrific speaker in person, listen below on Socialism/Communism from a first hand perspective…. And don’t miss him next month when he speaks on “The Federal Reserve”
Be sure to turn your speakers on… and… click the go button below.

Arkady_Factorovich – Part 1 of 2
Arkady_Factorovich – Part 2 of 2

On the site, part 1 and 2 show the link to listen

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Why listen to him?

I met Arkady around 1981. A client bought a home and he hired Arkady to make some changes. Arkady is an engineer and did a lot of Architect work.

When he later moved into the building in Fremont where my offices and staff were, we often talked.

He is the first person who asked me, why is America headed to the Soviet old system?

Anyway, I happened to see the tea party talking to the crowd in DC and learned he left Fremont.

This man not only got his degree at Kiev in the Ukraine but was forced by Soviet law into their Army where he served as an officer.

He was able to get out of the Soviet Union and I believe his words are true.

Again, link his site to hear him talking.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Arkady Faktorovich Speaks at Tea Party

Published June 16, 2011

http://atwatermerced912ers.com/2011/06/16/arkady-faktorovich-speaks-tea-party/

Thursday June 16th 6:30 – 8:30 at Pizza plus Fun in Winton. The speaker was Arkady Factorovich from Los Banos; if you missed this terrific speaker in person, listen below on Socialism/Communism from a first hand perspective…. And don’t miss him next month when he speaks on “The Federal Reserve”
Be sure to turn your speakers on… and… click the go button below.

Arkady_Factorovich – Part 1 of 2
Arkady_Factorovich – Part 2 of 2

On the site, part 1 and 2 show the link to listen

------------------

Why listen to him?

I met Arkady around 1981. A client bought a home and he hired Arkady to make some changes. Arkady is an engineer and did a lot of Architect work.

When he later moved into the building in Fremont where my offices and staff were, we often talked.

He is the first person who asked me, why is America headed to the Soviet old system?

Anyway, I happened to see the tea party talking to the crowd in DC and learned he left Fremont.

This man not only got his degree at Kiev in the Ukraine but was forced by Soviet law into their Army where he served as an officer.

He was able to get out of the Soviet Union and I believe his words are true.

Again, link his site to hear him talking.


If he's such a close friend, how is it you spelled his name incorrectly?

[aboutime]

If he's such a close friend, how is it you spelled his name incorrectly?


How can the former Walmart Door Greeter, and M & M candy company, Spell Checker be expected to spell a CLOSE FRIEND'S Name?????

[gabosaurus]

Is Arkady friends with Al?

[Robert A Whit]

Is Arkady friends with Al?

No. Al has no idea who Arkady is.

I think I mentioned Arkady last year but mentioned Al this year. Al lives close to Sacramento. Arkady lives about 1 1/2 hour south of me. Al is 94. I am not positive how old Arkady is but My hunch is is around my age; low to mid 70s. Arkady was a Soviet officer and Al was a US Navy officer. Arkady never spoke of WW2 to me that I recall.

[Robert A Whit]

If he's such a close friend, how is it you spelled his name incorrectly?

Arkady and i are not real close friends, but I consider him a casual friend. We all make typos f rom time to time. I spelled it like it sounds to me.

[Robert A Whit]

How can the former Walmart Door Greeter, and M & M candy company, Spell Checker be expected to spell a CLOSE FRIEND'S Name?????

Where did you two guys get the idea he is a CLOSE friend? Show my exact words please.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Arkady and i are not real close friends, but I consider him a casual friend. We all make typos f rom time to time. I spelled it like it sounds to me.

even though the piece you posted had the name spelled correctly in the title?

Please You really don't have to make up associations with people to feel important. No one here cares if you feel important.

[gabosaurus]

even though the piece you posted had the name spelled correctly in the title?

Please You really don't have to make up associations with people to feel important. No one here cares if you feel important.

It's not important what you feel is important to RW. What is important is that RW needs to feel important, which he achieves by feigning knowledge and acquaintance with those of importance. Which might be of limited importance to the ones who are actually important, but it totally important to the less important who desire to feel much more important.

[Robert A Whit]

even though the piece you posted had the name spelled correctly in the title?

Please You really don't have to make up associations with people to feel important. No one here cares if you feel important.

You really have been messed up for life.

I did not review his site before I said his name. Does not matter one bit. Only a fool pulls the crap you pull.

[Marcus Aurelius]

It's not important what you feel is important to RW. What is important is that RW needs to feel important, which he achieves by feigning knowledge and acquaintance with those of importance. Which might be of limited importance to the ones who are actually important, but it totally important to the less important who desire to feel much more important.

That's quite a bit of importance, for one so unimportant as he.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=647903#post647903)
even though the piece you posted had the name spelled correctly in the title?

Please You really don't have to make up associations with people to feel important. No one here cares if you feel important.



You really have been messed up for life.

I did not review his site before I said his name. Does not matter one bit. Only a fool pulls the crap you pull.

Funny, I don't recall saying you did. In fact, not one poster in this thread made that accusation... except for you.

Got ya, you lying sack of crap.


http://ken-welch.com/Reports/graphics/Busted.gif

[Robert A Whit]

It's not important what you feel is important to RW. What is important is that RW needs to feel important, which he achieves by feigning knowledge and acquaintance with those of importance. Which might be of limited importance to the ones who are actually important, but it totally important to the less important who desire to feel much more important.

You are crazy. So is Marcus.

All i did was tell you guys to watch him speak on CSPAN and then I discovered he has his own webpage and figured you guys could profit from his experiences. Arkady is no more important than anybody else. I just think his messages are valuable.

I sent Arkady a note to get in contact with me. You guys are plain nuts.

I don't post here to be attacked all the damned time. I try to add to the forum not do what you guys do.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Give it up, Robert. You got busted... in fact you busted yourself!:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Priceless!:laugh:

[Marcus Aurelius]

And, having outed himself as a complete liar and fraud, Whitless slinks into the depths, disappearing from the thread.:laugh:

[jimnyc]

Can we please worry less about the spelling of this guys name, and less about busting RW's chops, and more on the actual topic?

[Marcus Aurelius]

Can we please worry less about the spelling of this guys name, and less about busting RW's chops, and more on the actual topic?

With due respect, I think it's perfectly valid to point out Roberts, shall we say, misinformation regarding his stated relationship with the guy and where he got his information. After all, Robert WAS the only person to bring up the guys website and claim he did not go there prior to posting the thread. Claiming you didn't do something, when no one has accused you of said thing, is certainly a sign you actually DID do it and are trying to divert attention away from the fact.

This was never a thread about Arkady... it was just another 'Hi, I'm Robert, pay attention to me because I'm important' thread.

[jimnyc]

With due respect, I think it's perfectly valid to point out Roberts, shall we say, misinformation regarding his stated relationship with the guy and where he got his information. After all, Robert WAS the only person to bring up the guys website and claim he did not go there prior to posting the thread. Claiming you didn't do something, when no one has accused you of said thing, is certainly a sign you actually DID do it and are trying to divert attention away from the fact.

This was never a thread about Arkady... it was just another 'Hi, I'm Robert, pay attention to me because I'm important' thread.

Maybe so, maybe so, I just don't see responding to it, debating over it or fighting over it - to be doing anything at all other than creating another thread with fighting in it. These replies not only continue fighting - but also gives the attention you claim he is seeking.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Maybe so, maybe so, I just don't see responding to it, debating over it or fighting over it - to be doing anything at all other than creating another thread with fighting in it. These replies not only continue fighting - but also gives the attention you claim he is seeking.

Possibly. In any case, I'm pretty sure this thread has run its course and he won't come back. As an aside, you see how many times someone on 'ignore' was responded to? ;)

Oh well, off to the races.

[Robert A Whit]

Can we please worry less about the spelling of this guys name, and less about busting RW's chops, and more on the actual topic?

Thank you Jim.

I truly really appreciate the taking eyes off me and putting them onto this fine US Citizen who came here from the Former Soviet union.

Reading his webpage ought to give the public a true appreciation for what freedom stands for.

People like Arkady and Lemma and others I met doing my job really shaped some of my views. That and seeing how bad Communism is up close in Berlin. Even my vacations in Berlin have been treated poorly by the same 2 and at times 3 posters.

If they want to enjoy their time posting, why do it in such awful fashion as to promote anger in posters?

[Robert A Whit]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=647973#post647973)
With due respect, I think it's perfectly valid to point out Roberts, shall we say, misinformation regarding his stated relationship with the guy and where he got his information. After all, Robert WAS the only person to bring up the guys website and claim he did not go there prior to posting the thread. Claiming you didn't do something, when no one has accused you of said thing, is certainly a sign you actually DID do it and are trying to divert attention away from the fact.

This was never a thread about Arkady... it was just another 'Hi, I'm Robert, pay attention to me because I'm important' thread.


Maybe so, maybe so, I just don't see responding to it, debating over it or fighting over it - to be doing anything at all other than creating another thread with fighting in it. These replies not only continue fighting - but also gives the attention you claim he is seeking.

I am so tired of Marcus that I do put him on ignore and then others copy what he says and I end up going back to his ignored posts and use the function called view post. I like to find out whe3n he is badmouthing me again. And for what it is worth, that badmouthing me is what he calls his finest moments posting.

I called the man my friend. Arkady and I are not CLOSE friends which is the lie that Marcus posted. HE tried to claim I am his CLOSE friend. So what if I spelled Faktorovich with a C where the K is. I had posted a CSPAN video site and I just did not realize by saying Fac rather than FAK I was committing a vast sin that has to be howled over by Marcus.

I had posted His website so the error was at the same time.

YES, to post it means I saw it prior to posting. Only a person seeking to disrupt the forum makes a huge deal of it.

Why does Marcus to this to me but no others or I should say few others.

Arkady has a story. That story is the important part which is why I said listen to the man.

It does not matter at all about me. I saw him on CSPAN in total shock since I did not realize he now is a spokesman for the tea party and freedom.

Marcus will disrupt the forum far less when he stops his nonsense and nitpicking.

[jimnyc]

I am so tired of Marcus that I do put him on ignore and then others copy what he says and I end up going back to his ignored posts and use the function called view post. I like to find out whe3n he is badmouthing me again. And for what it is worth, that badmouthing me is what he calls his finest moments posting.

Put him on ignore. If someone quotes him, use a little self control. And I encourage this to both members, and all members that might take issue with another member. There is no need to "know" when someone is badmouthing you, unless you are looking to reply to begin with. If one member goes after another, and the other doesn't respond, and after time we all only see one member going after another - the community will ultimately recognize who is the aggressor and who is taking the upper road. When both reply, after awhil it won't matter who started it or who finished it, nor who was worse than the other - the community will only see 2 members fighting and disrupting threads.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I am so tired of Marcus that I do put him on ignore (obvious lie) and then others copy what he says (not in this thread they didn't, dumb ass) and I end up going back to his ignored posts and use the function called view post (obvious lie). I like to find out whe3n he is badmouthing me again. And for what it is worth, that badmouthing me is what he calls his finest moments posting. (please link to the post where I made this claim, dumb ass)

I called the man my friend. Arkady and I are not CLOSE friends which is the lie that Marcus posted. HE tried to claim I am his CLOSE friend. So what if I spelled Faktorovich with a C where the K is. I had posted a CSPAN video site and I just did not realize by saying Fac rather than FAK I was committing a vast sin that has to be howled over by Marcus. (whiner)

I had posted His website so the error was at the same time. (wasn't an error, and you know it. NOBODY mentioned his website, except you, when you claimed you didn't just go there first to get all your information... no one accused you... but you.)

YES, to post it means I saw it prior to posting. Only a person seeking to disrupt the forum makes a huge deal of it.

Why does Marcus to this to me but no others or I should say few others. (others don't lie on a regular basis to seem more important than they really are, then lie about lying, like you do).

Arkady has a story. That story is the important part which is why I said listen to the man.

It does not matter at all about me. I saw him on CSPAN in total shock since I did not realize he now is a spokesman for the tea party and freedom.

Marcus will disrupt the forum far less when he stops his nonsense and nitpicking.
(As I said, this whpole thread was just another of your famous 'Hey, I'm Robert, come apy attention to me so I feel Important' threads. YOU FAIL.)
My comments in RED above.

NOTE... please no one quote this post, so when Whitless replies, he cannot claim he saw it in someone elses post and just 'had' to respond.

[Robert A Whit]

Put him on ignore. If someone quotes him, use a little self control. And I encourage this to both members, and all members that might take issue with another member. There is no need to "know" when someone is badmouthing you, unless you are looking to reply to begin with. If one member goes after another, and the other doesn't respond, and after time we all only see one member going after another - the community will ultimately recognize who is the aggressor and who is taking the upper road. When both reply, after awhil it won't matter who started it or who finished it, nor who was worse than the other - the community will only see 2 members fighting and disrupting threads.

My replies are not fighting. I defend myself by plainly saying the truth. I agree but I sure would appreciate him being told to put me on ignore. I am the only one told to put others on ignore. His posts about me are constantly whining. So, I have him on ignore and now it is his turn to be told.

Fair don't you think?

I must ask this however.

When a person is put on ignore, it shows the person is on ignore yet it also has the view post provision. I try to ignore most of his posts then others keep copying his posts.

This ensures that I have to see his posts due to him being replied to. Naturally it exposes his comments and then I feel as if I must check out his stuff again. So, me putting him on ignore does not mean I don't see some of his posts.

I don't like board fighting. But he tried to make a huge deal out of my simple error in spelling the guys name.

I think if you put in Arkady as a search term, you will find I mentioned him long ago by telling his story the best I recalled itl

I thought when he left the Soviet Army he was a Major but he says he was a Lt. But he told me that story in around 1998 i believe it was. I met the man via a client of mine around 1982 as I recall. I sold a phone guy a home in Newark CA around 1982 and he called me to see if i would come to his home and meet Arkady. He wanted my opinion on Arkady and Arkady seemed to me to really know what he was doing so my client hired him for work to Marty's home.

Why Marcus called him my close friend puzzled me but all i said is he is a friend. I have spoken to the man plenty of times since he moved his business into the same building I was in and he would come to my office or I go to his and got to know his story pretty well.

Arkady on his site did not mention that as an enlisted man, he was to never wear civilian clothes in public, even when he was allowed to go home for leave. As an Officer he told me, he could wear civvies when not on duty. He said life as an enlisted man was very hard but he had it easier by far as an officer.

[Marcus Aurelius]

My replies are not fighting. I defend myself by plainly saying the truth. I agree but I sure would appreciate him being told to put me on ignore. I am the only one told to put others on ignore. His posts about me are constantly whining. So, I have him on ignore and now it is his turn to be told.

Fair don't you think?

I must ask this however.

When a person is put on ignore, it shows the person is on ignore yet it also has the view post provision. I try to ignore most of his posts then others keep copying his posts.

This ensures that I have to see his posts due to him being replied to. Naturally it exposes his comments and then I feel as if I must check out his stuff again. So, me putting him on ignore does not mean I don't see some of his posts.

I don't like board fighting. But he tried to make a huge deal out of my simple error in spelling the guys name.

I think if you put in Arkady as a search term, you will find I mentioned him long ago by telling his story the best I recalled itl

I thought when he left the Soviet Army he was a Major but he says he was a Lt. But he told me that story in around 1998 i believe it was. I met the man via a client of mine around 1982 as I recall. I sold a phone guy a home in Newark CA around 1982 and he called me to see if i would come to his home and meet Arkady. He wanted my opinion on Arkady and Arkady seemed to me to really know what he was doing so my client hired him for work to Marty's home.

Why Marcus called him my close friend puzzled me but all i said is he is a friend. I have spoken to the man plenty of times since he moved his business into the same building I was in and he would come to my office or I go to his and got to know his story pretty well.

Arkady on his site did not mention that as an enlisted man, he was to never wear civilian clothes in public, even when he was allowed to go home for leave. As an Officer he told me, he could wear civvies when not on duty. He said life as an enlisted man was very hard but he had it easier by far as an officer.

The sheer nonsense and number of lies in that post is staggering.

[jimnyc]

My replies are not fighting. I defend myself by plainly saying the truth. I agree but I sure would appreciate him being told to put me on ignore. I am the only one told to put others on ignore. His posts about me are constantly whining. So, I have him on ignore and now it is his turn to be told.

Fair don't you think?

I must ask this however.

When a person is put on ignore, it shows the person is on ignore yet it also has the view post provision. I try to ignore most of his posts then others keep copying his posts.

This ensures that I have to see his posts due to him being replied to. Naturally it exposes his comments and then I feel as if I must check out his stuff again. So, me putting him on ignore does not mean I don't see some of his posts.

Back and forth with another member, with crap that is off topic, and showing contempt for one another and talk of badmouthing, IS fighting. Or call it disrupting. Call it what you will - but it's back and forth between 2 members that only serves to build animosity and ruin threads.

He HAS been told to place you on ignore. In fact, just today I posted that BOTH members should do so AND any other member that takes issue with another. I understand fairness, but WHY must others be told anything for you to take the higher road? Can you not just place someone on ignore and then leave it be? You do so, but then you reply to them somehow anyway. Or you do so, then make a habit of pointing out that you did, over and over. Why can't you just do so, and then that's the end of it? Do you REALLY need the software to be SO rigid? You can't just ignore where it says "show post" and you HAVE TO view it? Or if another member quotes someone, how about just scrolling on by? All of this crap defeats the purpose of placing someone on ignore.

And yes, this goes to BOTH - but I only see one person continually questioning the ignoring, and continually posting they have someone on ignore, or complaining that others quoted them. Damn, we are MATURE ADULTS, or so I thought. Surely if you REALLY want to ignore another person, it could EASILY be done. There are several members here that like to use the feature, like Gaffer, and NEVER complain about the offending member again and simply move forward from that member once the ignore function is activated.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Which might be of limited importance to the ones who are actually important, but it totally important to the less important who desire to feel much more important. Which is why a person would have this attached to their name, right??
http://www.debatepolicy.com/image.php?u=111&dateline=1369023887 Which just cries out ever so shrilly, "look at me"!!!! ---:laugh: --Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

Jim

Do you understand that your back and forth against me shows a lot of contempt for me?

I do thank you for the other day where you defended me. I really do appreciate that.

Finally, don't you notice that Marcus purpose to to harass me?

My purpose is pure self defense.

I have him on ignore. When you asked me, I did it. When you asked him, he flat ignored you.

But thanks for your concern.

Like you, My goal is a clean forum with no fighting.

I am on your side.

[jimnyc]

Jim

Do you understand that your back and forth against me shows a lot of contempt for me?

I do thank you for the other day where you defended me. I really do appreciate that.

Finally, don't you notice that Marcus purpose to to harass me?

My purpose is pure self defense.

I have him on ignore. When you asked me, I did it. When you asked him, he flat ignored you.

But thanks for your concern.

Like you, My goal is a clean forum with no fighting.

I am on your side.

My back and forth has NOTHING to do with contempt. It's trying to finally put an end to issues, whether that be by you ignoring and/or taking the upper road, or by Marcus ignoring and/or taking the upper road. If you say you have placed him back on ignore, you have taken a great step. Now make 2 more great steps and this issue will be over.

#1 - NEVER hit show post or whatever it is to read posts. If your intent is to ignore, then ignore that option as well.
#2 - If someone quotes a person on ignore, just keep on moving forward. If your intent is to ignore, then ignore anything that unfortunately slips through.

[Robert A Whit]

My back and forth has NOTHING to do with contempt. It's trying to finally put an end to issues, whether that be by you ignoring and/or taking the upper road, or by Marcus ignoring and/or taking the upper road. If you say you have placed him back on ignore, you have taken a great step. Now make 2 more great steps and this issue will be over.

#1 - NEVER hit show post or whatever it is to read posts. If your intent is to ignore, then ignore that option as well.
#2 - If someone quotes a person on ignore, just keep on moving forward. If your intent is to ignore, then ignore anything that unfortunately slips through.

What you tell me to do is tantamount to telling me to go hide in the closet.

I sure hoped you would go tell them a thing or two.

Read it again Jim. It is not them, you go after me.

Sure, I can hide in the closet. But they are outside that door not being told what to do.

When you chide them, I appreciate it and tell you I do.

Look at it this way. I read Logroller and FJ. They both tell me at times they do not agree with me.

This in no way results in a fight.

If Abbey tells me I am doing wrong, we don't fight.

What I look for is fair dealing. The messages to me are many. I see one message you made to Marcus and still he harasses me.

But I am the one being chided.

Really odd that I carry 100 percent of the blame for my posts plus all the blame for their posts.

But like you, I fervently want a decent forum.

I plan to keep them on ignore for sure.

But will I read them being told off as I get told off?

When you did it the other day, I felt like you got it.

Jim, just to tell you, others send me notes that they side with what I am telling you.

[Voted4Reagan]

No. Al has no idea who Arkady is.

Al is 94. I am not positive how old Arkady is but My hunch is is around my age; low to mid 70s. Arkady was a Soviet officer

Why would he.... he was too young to fight in it if he is in his 70's. he'd have been 6yo when it broke out in Russia.

the youngest vets of WWII are in their mid to late 80's now.

[Robert A Whit]

Why would he.... he was too young to fight in it if he is in his 70's. he'd have been 6yo when it broke out in Russia.

the youngest vets of WWII are in their mid to late 80's now.

Right you are. I read from Arkady's site yesterday that his father served the Soviets (I believe I read that anyway) but Arkady as a young boy could hardly know a lot by personal experience.

I can't recall the Nazis reaching Kiev.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Jim

Do you understand that your back and forth against me shows a lot of contempt for me?

I do thank you for the other day where you defended me. I really do appreciate that.

Finally, don't you notice that Marcus purpose to to harass me?

My purpose is pure self defense.

I have him on ignore. When you asked me, I did it. When you asked him, he flat ignored you.

But thanks for your concern.

Like you, My goal is a clean forum with no fighting.

I am on your side.

I'm curious as to how you found the new thread in the Cage, since I am on ignore and since the Cage threads do NOT show up on the recent posts listing. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......

[Marcus Aurelius]

Right you are. I read from Arkady's site yesterday that his father served the Soviets (I believe I read that anyway) but Arkady as a young boy could hardly know a lot by personal experience.

I can't recall the Nazis reaching Kiev.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Ruined_Kiev_in_WWII.jpg/250px-Ruined_Kiev_in_WWII.jpg
Kiev after the Nazi's bombed it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

The most notorious and the best documented of these massacres took place on September 29–30, 1941, wherein 33,771 Jews were killed in a single operation. The decision to kill all the Jews in Kiev was made by the military governor, Major-General Kurt Eberhard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Eberhard), the Police Commander for Army Group South, SS-Obergruppenführer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergruppenf%C3%BChrer) Friedrich Jeckeln (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Jeckeln), and the Einsatzgruppe C Commander Otto Rasch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Rasch). It was carried out by Sonderkommando (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando) 4a soldiers, along with the aid of the SD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitsdienst) and SS Police Battalions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnungspolizei#Police_Battalions) backed by the local police (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainische_Hilfspolizei#Participation_in_Holocaus t_and_Nazi_atrocities).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar#cite_note-Berkhoff-2-1) The massacre was the largest single mass killing for which the Nazi regime and its collaborators were responsible during its campaign against the Soviet Union[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar#cite_note-2) and is considered to be "the largest single massacre in the history of the Holocaust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust)" to that particular date,[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar#cite_note-Lower-3) surpassed only by the Aktion Erntefest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_Erntefest) of November 1943 with 42,000–43,000 victims, and the 1941 Odessa massacre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_Odessa_massacre) of more than 50,000 Jews in October 1941, committted by the Romanian troops (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_World_War_II#Romania_and_the_Holocaust) .[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar#cite_note-Browning-4)

That's a lot of dead people for the Nazi's never reaching Kiev, huh.