Will Obama Save Catholic Schools?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Obama offers a Trojan horse.......O' yes, accept if you dare..... -Tyr Will Obama Save Catholic Schools?

<!-- begin blogger thumbs --> <!-- end blogger thumbs --> One of the quirks of President Obama is that he appears liberal, but is strikingly pragmatic. This idiosyncrasy may benefit Catholic schools. Obama supports charter schools, even though this view is opposed by teachers' unions.
For those who need a refresher course, charter schools are run by independent agencies, are funded with public dollars, but are not formal parts of the public school district. While they must match educational standards of government, charter schools are free to address matters like dress code, teachers' salaries, and organization of the curriculum on their own terms.
Obama's policy has opened up the possibility that Catholic schools could be turned into charter schools. This would address the alarming rates at which parish schools have been closing over the past two decades, basically for want of income. In the Diocese of Brooklyn this past week, it was announced that some parish schools (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/nyregion/08schools.html?_r=1) previously slated for closure, would be transformed into New York City charter schools. Praised by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg was the ability of the parish school to involve parents, instill discipline and raise the career aspirations of its students. Might this decision become a national trend? If it did, President Obama might well go down in the history books as the "savior of Catholic schools."

I do not wish to suggest that the president is blind to the objections against such a marriage of public funds to schools run by churches. Teachers' unions have generally opposed charter schools when they have been proposed as rivals to public schools, meaning that money is taken away from public instruction. In fact, there are many instances where charter schools have become a money-making proposition for a politically connected entrepreneur who employs non-union teachers at sub-scale salaries and merely "teaches to the test." There was also a lot of political posturing by right-wing politicians who pretended that denying money to public schools via vouchers or funds to charter schools shows concern that non-white and poor parents would "have the same rights to private school education as congress' members."

I don't understand why Catholic schools have been slow to become charter schools. More than a few Evangelical http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/catholicamerica/2009/02/obama_savior_of_catholic_schoo.html

[gabosaurus]

Why would Obama want to save Catholic schools? Perhaps if Catholics didn't have to spend so much money on legal defense, they could save their own schools.
The federal government should observe the separation of church and state.

[fj1200]

Obama offers a Trojan horse.......O' yes, accept if you dare..... -Tyr

Will Obama Save Catholic Schools?

Obama's policy...

http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/catholicamerica/2009/02/obama_savior_of_catholic_schoo.html (http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/catholicamerica/2009/02/obama_savior_of_catholic_schoo.html)

What policy is that?

[jimnyc]

Why would Obama want to save Catholic schools? Perhaps if Catholics didn't have to spend so much money on legal defense, they could save their own schools.
The federal government should observe the separation of church and state.

Can you point to the schools that have went belly up because they had to spend any funding on a legal defense? Or will you set a record and bail from your 7,000th thread?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What policy is that? Damn, can't you read?? This from the linked article..


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One of the quirks of President Obama is that he appears liberal, but is strikingly pragmatic. This idiosyncrasy may benefit Catholic schools. Obama supports charter schools, even though this view is opposed by teachers' unions.
For those who need a refresher course, charter schools are run by independent agencies, are funded with public dollars, but are not formal parts of the public school district. While they must match educational standards of government, charter schools are free to address matters like dress code, teachers' salaries, and organization of the curriculum on their own terms.
Obama's policy has opened up the possibility that Catholic schools could be turned into charter schools.

[aboutime]

Why would Obama want to save Catholic schools? Perhaps if Catholics didn't have to spend so much money on legal defense, they could save their own schools.
The federal government should observe the separation of church and state.


We almost forgot about you gabby. Seems you, like Obama. Would prefer to have more Saudi Schools here in this country where little Terrorists eventually become Big terrorists.

[red states rule]

Why would Obama want to save Catholic schools? Perhaps if Catholics didn't have to spend so much money on legal defense, they could save their own schools.
The federal government should observe the separation of church and state.

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[hjmick]

If anything Obama does saves anything, it will be completely by accident...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If anything Obama does saves anything, it will be completely by accident... Rumor has it that Obama is going to save every damn one of those "57 states"... talk about ignoring a blunder and one that clearly points to the true IQ of the man.. I hear he even once saved a Navy "corpse"man too. ;) Tis' why I laugh so hard every time I hear or read about some fool bragging about what a genius he is. The world laughs at us not with us and Obama is the reason.... --Tyr

[PostmodernProphet]

curious......if the Catholic schools become public charter schools will the church have to have insurance that provides birth control for the nuns?.........

[fj1200]

Damn, can't you read?? This from the linked article..


One of the quirks of President Obama is that he appears liberal, but is strikingly pragmatic. This idiosyncrasy may benefit Catholic schools. Obama supports charter schools, even though this view is opposed by teachers' unions.
For those who need a refresher course, charter schools are run by independent agencies, are funded with public dollars, but are not formal parts of the public school district. While they must match educational standards of government, charter schools are free to address matters like dress code, teachers' salaries, and organization of the curriculum on their own terms.
Obama's policy has opened up the possibility that Catholic schools could be turned into charter schools.

I can read just fine, a reference to his policy is not an explanation of his policy. A charter school by definition is funded with public dollars but that has been in existence far longer than BO has been POTUS. Where is the meat that is leading to your ire?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I can read just fine, a reference to his policy is not an explanation of his policy. A charter school by definition is funded with public dollars but that has been in existence far longer than BO has been POTUS. Where is the meat that is leading to your ire? The meat is that the proposition is a Trojan horse. My reply made that plain to apparently all readers except you. Look up Trojan horse ,methinks you do not grasp its meaning. :laugh:

[red states rule]

The meat is that the proposition is a Trojan horse. My reply made that plain to apparently all readers except you. Look up Trojan horse ,methinks you do not grasp its meaning. :laugh:

Try - The meat is that the proposition is a Trojan horse while FU is the horse's ass

Of course you already knew that my friend

[fj1200]

The meat is that the proposition is a Trojan horse. My reply made that plain to apparently all readers except you. Look up Trojan horse ,methinks you do not grasp its meaning. :laugh:

Your reply was basically nothing. If you can't even tell me what the policy/proposition is then how can you know what to rant about? Oh, never mind. BO's name was mentioned in an article; that's all you need.

[red states rule]

Damn, can't you read?? This from the linked article..


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Tyr - FU is a perfect example as to why the symbol of his Dem party is a jackass

[fj1200]

Tyr - FU is a perfect example as to why the symbol of his Dem party is a jackass

So you don't know either? Not surprising; you are proof that low-information voters populate both parties.

[aboutime]

Your reply was basically nothing. If you can't even tell me what the policy/proposition is then how can you know what to rant about? Oh, never mind. BO's name was mentioned in an article; that's all you need.


fj. And without realizing it. The very same can be said about you. That's all you needed.

[red states rule]

fj. And without realizing it. The very same can be said about you. That's all you needed.

AT it is sad to see how libs like FU, LR, and Gabby go through life

Just because as a child their parents told them they could be anything they wanted to be when they grew up did not mean they had to become a liberal morons

[fj1200]

AT it is sad to see how libs like FU, LR, and Gabby go through life

Can't speak for Gabby because, she's like, you know, an actual liberal but I like to base my opinions on fact, logic, and reason. Things which clearly confuse you.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Your reply was basically nothing. If you can't even tell me what the policy/proposition is then how can you know what to rant about? Oh, never mind. BO's name was mentioned in an article; that's all you need. Well, excuse me for giving you the benefit of the doubt and thinking that you could read the linked article yourself and actually understand it. Now go back, read it and see for yourself. I REALLY DO NOT DO HAND HOLDING EXCEPT FOR MY 6 YEAR OLD SON AND MY WIFE.:laugh:--Tyr

[gabosaurus]

Faith-based initiatives should not be part of any government budget.

[fj1200]

Well, excuse me for giving you the benefit of the doubt and thinking that you could read the linked article yourself and actually understand it. Now go back, read it and see for yourself. I REALLY DO NOT DO HAND HOLDING EXCEPT FOR MY 6 YEAR OLD SON AND MY WIFE.:laugh:--Tyr

Read it. Understood it. Nothing there to support your fear.

[fj1200]

Faith-based initiatives should not be part of any government budget.

Charter schools are not a faith-based initiative.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Read it. Understood it. Nothing there to support your fear. Sure there is but either you fail to see it or else choose to fail to admit it.

[fj1200]

Sure there is but either you fail to see it or else choose to fail to admit it.

Doubtful.

[gabosaurus]

Charter schools are not a faith-based initiative.

Catholic schools are not charter schools.

[fj1200]

Catholic schools are not charter schools.

Clearly.

[red states rule]

Well, excuse me for giving you the benefit of the doubt and thinking that you could read the linked article yourself and actually understand it. Now go back, read it and see for yourself. I REALLY DO NOT DO HAND HOLDING EXCEPT FOR MY 6 YEAR OLD SON AND MY WIFE.:laugh:--Tyr

FU when the facts get in the way of his liberal beliefs

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[red states rule]

Faith-based initiatives should not be part of any government budget.

As if government can do anything cheaper, more effectively and more effectively then the private sector? Name me one government program that ever came in on time and on budget Gabby

[fj1200]

FU when the facts get in the way of his liberal beliefs

Apparently you are confused as to what a fact actually is. It is supportable and provable. You should try and present some rather than rely on your typical passive-aggressive blather. It would be fun and you might gain some ability in actually presenting an intelligent conservative argument.

Nah, who am I kidding.

[red states rule]

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[fj1200]

Nah, who am I kidding.

Nailed it!

[aboutime]

Apparently you are confused as to what a fact actually is. It is supportable and provable. You should try and present some rather than rely on your typical passive-aggressive blather. It would be fun and you might gain some ability in actually presenting an intelligent conservative argument.

Nah, who am I kidding.


With every post you make here fj. The only answer that is FACTUAL would be....."YOU, are fooling YOU!"

[fj1200]

With every post you make here fj. The only answer that is FACTUAL would be....."YOU, are fooling YOU!"

Take note.


Apparently you are confused as to what a fact actually is. It is supportable and provable. You should try and present some rather than rely on your typical passive-aggressive blather. It would be fun and you might gain some ability in actually presenting an intelligent conservative argument.

Nah, who am I kidding.

[Voted4Reagan]

Want to save Catholic Schools....?

One Word will do it...

VOUCHERS

[red state]

Is not a charter school an establishment of education who accepts gov funds that would normally go to a public school system? If so, and I believe it is, any such establishment, be it Catholic, Private or even a home schooling group be classified as a gov assisted charter school.

I am all for charter schools and would like to see more and more of them continue with the success that most of them are having. I'd also like to see more and more public institutions of education (most of which are failing) have their funds transferred to charter schools till we have phased out ALL failing public schools.

A warning to the wise, however, any time you take money from big bro or sis, you are asking for trouble and the type of FULL CONTROL that we see with most other gov agencies as well with more fascist tyranny that demands opposing beliefs, morals and tradition be obliterated. I support the charter school system over gov/public schools BUT I am more in favor of private schooling from communities, churches and home school groups where the best of the best are being taught and are excelling at the top of the graduating percentile where many such students receive scholarships.

My wife and I home schooled for years (until my kids were ready for sports). I wish they had the same legislation going on then as they do now so that we could have continued to home school with our children ALSO participating in sports. That is neither here nor there and I'm truly blessed and thankful that they are doing well. In fact, my daughter received many honors and is likely to gain FULL scholarships to anywhere of her choosing. I can't count the MANY home school kids who have excelled in both academics as well as the arts but if we are not careful, the gov will definitely put a stop to any means of education that does not "indoctrinate". If such private education was good enough for the best of the best within the history of the world (including our founders) it is certainly good enough for us.

One need only look at how B.O. and Holder treated a family seeking asylum from Germany where the children will likely be taken away from the parents who chose to home school their children rather than indoctrinate them. I find it extremely troubling when we provide "AMNESTY" for those who have disregarded our laws YET turn away a family that was truly in need.

Make no bones about it. B.O. is against all that is good with America and if there is EVER an instance that he seems to be doing the RIGHT thing....look out. There's a reason lurking somewhere behind all the pleasantries.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A warning to the wise, however, any time you take money from big bro or sis, you are asking for trouble and the type of FULL CONTROL that we see with most other gov agencies as well with more fascist tyranny that demands opposing beliefs, morals and tradition be obliterated. ^^^^^^The Trojan horse I was speaking of that fj pretends does not exist! -Tyr

One need only look at how B.O. and Holder treated a family seeking asylum from Germany where the children will likely be taken away from the parents who chose to home school their children rather than indoctrinate them. I find it extremely troubling when we provide "AMNESTY" for those who have disregarded our laws YET turn away a family that was truly in need. ^^^ A good example of how all decent people will be treated by the regime--Tyr

Make no bones about it. B.O. is against all that is good with America and if there is EVER an instance that he seems to be doing the RIGHT thing....look out. There's a reason lurking somewhere behind all the pleasantries. ^^^^ True, Obama has no love of this country. In fact, he has nothing but hate for it as it was founded. He pursues a destructive agenda and the insanity is that the people do not see that. Instead they praise him for his treason! -Tyr You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.
^^^^^^^Simply amazing what a complete job of brainwashing the public the sold out media has done! And that brought to us by 50 years of Public Education decay and progressive agenda(same thing)..-Tyr

[red state]

Tyr Wrote: " I was speaking of that fj pretends does not exist!"

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What FJ? Is that short for 'fools jest'? I was simply addressing what you initially posted.....I scroll over comments from those that I've personally found to have excessive ignorance (which consists of most liberals). THEY are simply a waste of time and energy.

As Ron White often says: "you can't fix STUPID" so, says I, why bother?

[fj1200]

Tyr Wrote: " I was speaking of that fj pretends does not exist!"

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What FJ? Is that short for 'fools jest'? I was simply addressing what you initially posted.....I scroll over comments from those that I've personally found to have excessive ignorance (which consists of most liberals). THEY are simply a waste of time and energy.

As Ron White often says: "you can't fix STUPID" so, says I, why bother?

I see another member who has no idea what the thread is about and ignores that which he can't explain. You'll fit in well here.

[aboutime]

Tyr Wrote: " I was speaking of that fj pretends does not exist!"

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What FJ? Is that short for 'fools jest'? I was simply addressing what you initially posted.....I scroll over comments from those that I've personally found to have excessive ignorance (which consists of most liberals). THEY are simply a waste of time and energy.

As Ron White often says: "you can't fix STUPID" so, says I, why bother?

Guess nobody bothered to read what I defined 'fj' as last week.

So. Here it is again. "F'in J'oke". Anyone who brags about being smarter than everyone else...like 'fj'. Is....

[fj1200]

I see another member who has no idea what the thread is about and ignores that which he can't explain. You'll fit in well here.

And leading the pack...


Guess nobody bothered to read what I defined 'fj' as last week.

So. Here it is again. "F'in J'oke". Anyone who brags about being smarter than everyone else...like 'fj'. Is....

Try complaining about trolls again. :rolleyes:

[aboutime]

And leading the pack...



Try complaining about trolls again. :rolleyes:


They have been talking about you enough. Complain all you like. We all know about you.

[fj1200]

They have been talking about you enough.

I know that you have. It must suck for you to not be able to hang in a debate with an actual conservative. :poke:

[aboutime]

I know that you have. It must suck for you to not be able to hang in a debate with an actual conservative. :poke:


Show us an Actual Conservative...other than a RINO first.

[fj1200]

Show us an Actual Conservative...other than a RINO first.

Personally I'm not sure you would notice one if it outdebated you. ;)

[aboutime]

Personally I'm not sure you would notice one if it outdebated you. ;)


Personally. I don't really care what you are, or aren't sure of here.

[red states rule]

Personally. I don't really care what you are, or aren't sure of here.

Consider the source FU - a tax and spend big government loving liberal like FU cannot be reasoned with. Like Obama he is willing to spend every dollar you have to make his social programs and handout work

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[fj1200]

Consider the source FU - a tax and spend big government loving liberal like FU cannot be reasoned with. Like Obama he is willing to spend every dollar you have to make his social programs and handout work

I would ask you to point out the big government programs... never mind, you're a scared little girl who can't debate her way out of a wet paper bag.