Frightening ...

[CSM]

This should scare the crap out of any US citizen:

Restructure US government to make “huge” green changes in America, study proposes

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/restructure-us-government-to-make-huge-green-changes-in-america-study-proposes/?test=latestnews#ixzz2YZSAfGNy

If ever there was a consolidated effort to destroy the United States, this would be included in the manifesto!

[revelarts]

This should scare the crap out of any US citizen:

Restructure US government to make “huge” green changes in America, study proposes

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/restructure-us-government-to-make-huge-green-changes-in-america-study-proposes/?test=latestnews#ixzz2YZSAfGNy

If ever there was a consolidated effort to destroy the United States, this would be included in the manifesto!

Agenda 21

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?36343-How-your-community-is-implementing-AGENDA-21/page3

[CSM]

Agenda 21

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?36343-How-your-community-is-implementing-AGENDA-21/page3

Yes and much more. The implication with this study is that the US Constitution must be removed and that the US form of government disbanded. I suppose that there are some advantages to having a dictatorship .... if you are willing to pay the price.

[fj1200]

This should scare the crap out of any US citizen:

Restructure US government to make “huge” green changes in America, study proposes

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/restructure-us-government-to-make-huge-green-changes-in-america-study-proposes/?test=latestnews#ixzz2YZSAfGNy

If ever there was a consolidated effort to destroy the United States, this would be included in the manifesto!

Blah, blah, blah. A bunch of eggheads sitting around trying to feel better about themselves.


Graedel takes a determined low-key approach to discussing the sweeping themes struck by “Sustainability Linkages,” emphasizing that the study’s aim is to set “over-arching guiding principles” rather than to “get prescriptive about things” in detail.

“It provides encouragement for parts of the government to get together on projects of concern,” he said. “There is no formula for how it all works out.”

[aboutime]

Another, of those several, decisive Obama-Socialist steps to destroy America from within.

DIVIDE THE PEOPLE

MAKE THE PEOPLE DEPENDENT UPON GOVERNMENT

DESTROY THE MILITARY

Everything else just falls into place.

WELCOME TO THE NEW VERSION of the OLD....U.S.S.R. Now....the U.S.S.A.

[SassyLady]

Blah, blah, blah. A bunch of eggheads sitting around trying to feel better about themselves.

And your response is exactly what we were told the progressive liberals would do to get Agenda 21 totally implemented. That the liberals would "poo poo" it until they've convinced everyone it can't possibly happen and guess what, fj? It's already being implemented.



SOUNDS LIKE SCIENCE FICTION...OR SOME CONSPIRACY THEORY...BUT IT ISN'T.
UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.----Rosa Koire

Have you wondered where these terms 'sustainability' and 'smart growth' and 'high density urban mixed use development' came from? Doesn't it seem like about 10 years ago you'd never heard of them and now everything seems to include these concepts? Is that just a coincidence? That every town and county and state and nation in the world would be changing their land use/planning codes and government policies to align themselves with...what?

First, before I get going, I want to say that yes, I know it's a small world and it takes a village and we're all one planet etc. I also know that we have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and that as cumbersome as that can be sometimes (Donald Rumsfeld said that the Chinese have it easy; they don't have to ask their people if they agree. And Bush Junior said that it would be great to have a dictator as long as he was the dictator), we have a three branch government and the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and self-determination. This is one of the reasons why people want to come to the US, right? We don't have Tiananmen Square here, generally speaking (yes, I remember Kent State--not the same, and yes, an outrage.) So I'm not against making certain issues a priority, such as mindful energy use, alternative energy sponsorship, recycling/reuse, and sensitivity to all living creatures.

- See more at: http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/#sthash.DNazXrDY.dpuf

[fj1200]

And your response is exactly what we were told the progressive liberals would do to get Agenda 21 totally implemented. That the liberals would "poo poo" it until they've convinced everyone it can't possibly happen and guess what, fj? It's already being implemented.

I'm not worried. Alabama passed a law.

[SassyLady]

I'm not worried. Alabama passed a law.

So you think that just because one state passed a some obscure law that this invasive program will not be implemented? You are ill informed. This program has already been implemented in thousands of communities across the nation already.

[fj1200]

So you think that just because one state passed a some obscure law that this invasive program will not be implemented? You are ill informed. This program has already been implemented in thousands of communities across the nation already.

If by ill informed you mean that I don't accept that every zoning rule implemented at the local level that may be similar to Agenda 21 as a conspiracy against our sovereignty and rights? Guilty.

[aboutime]

If by ill informed you mean that I don't accept that every zoning rule implemented at the local level that may be similar to Agenda 21 as a conspiracy against our sovereignty and rights? Guilty.


fj. Is there any time, during any day when you aren't playing SWITCH with yourself? Playing word games is beneath you, and semantics make you look foolish. So. When playing SWITCH. Which thumb do you stick up your butt first? Left or Right. And which do you prefer to stick in your mouth before yelling SWITCH?

[fj1200]

fj.

Your fascination with the intimate workings of particular posters body parts is quite disturbing. Seek help.

[aboutime]

Your fascination with the intimate workings of particular posters body parts is quite disturbing. Seek help.


Not a fascination. You didn't answer the question. And I wonder which thumb you use while typing?

[fj1200]

Not a fascination. You didn't answer the question. And I wonder which thumb you use while typing?

Careful now. Do you torture your puppy with the same hands you type with or do you render it across the pond? ;)

[aboutime]

Careful now. Do you torture your puppy with the same hands you type with or do you render it across the pond? ;)


Just following your lead. Whatever you do. I copy. But you are more than welcome to torture my puppy any time you like.

[Drummond]

Careful now. Do you torture your puppy with the same hands you type with or do you render it across the pond? ;)

H'm.

Now, I'm assuming that puppy torturing is an illegal act in the US ?

So, FJ, did I read - or did I not read ? - that you were inferring criminality of another poster - AND BASELESSLY - with whom you happen to have a disagreement ?

If nothing else, I think you'd be well advised to consider your words more carefully in future. Think about it.

[fj1200]

Just following your lead. Whatever you do. I copy. But you are more than welcome to torture my puppy any time you like.

Good to know. Also good to know that you value your possessions so very little.


H'm.

Now, I'm assuming that puppy torturing is an illegal act in the US ?

So, FJ, did I read - or did I not read ? - that you were inferring criminality of another poster - AND BASELESSLY - with whom you happen to have a disagreement ?

If nothing else, I think you'd be well advised to consider your words more carefully in future. Think about it.

I was merely engaging in the same behavior as your buddy. That you condone his behavior and question mine is not surprising to me.

Your "advise" is properly filed. My words were carefully chosen. ;)

[aboutime]

Good to know. Also good to know that you value your possessions so very little.



I was merely engaging in the same behavior as your buddy. That you condone his behavior and question mine is not surprising to me.

Your "advise" is properly filed. My words were carefully chosen. ;)


Wow. Bet you really impressed yourself with that?

[fj1200]

Wow. Bet you really impressed yourself with that?

No. You lack challenge.

[aboutime]

No. You lack challenge.


And, who cares? Nobody wins anything here. Except maybe. An increase in the size of YOUR head.

[fj1200]

And, who cares? Nobody wins anything here. Except maybe. An increase in the size of YOUR head.

Yeah, that. :rolleyes:

[aboutime]

Yeah, that. :rolleyes:


Now, I feel sorry for your condition. You should get that checked out before Obamacare denies your pre-existing condition.

[fj1200]

Now, I feel sorry for your condition. You should get that checked out before Obamacare denies your pre-existing condition.

:dunno:

[red state]

They tried a more totolitarian approach to get the ball rolling but it didn't work so they do what they do best....keep pushin'



<dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_153" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">With the Clean Water Restoration Act of 2007 (HR2421 and S1870) that would amend the 1972 Clean Water Act and replace the words "navigable waters" with "waters of the United States." Further, it defines "waters of the United States" with such breathtaking scope that federal agencies would be required to regulate use of every square inch of the U.S., both public and private.</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> </dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">The proposed definition states: "The term 'waters of the United States' means ALL waters subject to ebb and flow of the tides, the territorial seas, and all interstate and intrastate waters and their tributaries, including lakes, rivers, streams (including intermittent streams), mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playa lakes [a flat dried up area, esp. a desert basin.] natural ponds and all impoundment of the foregoing, to the fullest extent that these waters are subject to the legislative power of Congress under the Constitution."</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">
</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">In other words....TOTAL control.</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">
</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Obviously, those behind this legislation have only contempt for the Constitution, limited government and private property rights. To understand what the framers of the Constitution intended, one need only look to their writings and the writings of those from whom they took wisdom and direction. Yeah....that pesky Constitution must go and our knowledge and memory of what our founders said must also be erased from our schools and our hearts before "THEY" can have total control.
</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> "What a man has honestly acquired is absolutely his own, which he may freely give, but cannot be taken from him without his consent." - Samuel Adams
</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">They've done a good job with our children and we're just now seeing the consequences of decades worth of indoctrination.</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">
</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">To the more ignorant among us (and you know who you are) they are implementing TOTAL CONTROL and bits of proof can be seen through the Wetlands Bills which give THEM Control Over YOUR Property I know of folks who are still paying taxes on their land YET they can not do anything with it. After Katrina, their were folks who were not allowed to move back into their homes or reside on THEIR OWN land because of the environmentalists finding some "rare" plant, frog or something when it had never been documented that the property had EVER had such living things to begin with. That is a crime and what they are doing is pure evil. This is a bit off the subject and I'm certain I've told it before BUT I can recall (under Clinton) people being forced from their home (not for a highway, hospital or military base.....not that any of those things are necessarily a good reason to abuse people) but they were forced from their home so that someone could build a golf course!!!! That isn't the gov but it is just as wrong and for the life of me, I don't know what our grandfather or great grandfathers were thinking when they allowed things such as the IRS or a furthrerance of the IRS in taxing our property!!!! We do not own property in the US any longer....it's over folks and if we get back the US we've got a LOT of changing to do besides knocking down these Agenda 21 Bills or cutting the IRS a measly 3 billion. That is just scratching the surface and I'm afraid we're going to end up doing more than scratching....we now seem to have no other recourse than CUTTING deep and THROUGH those who would make our Constitution null and void.</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">
</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Their is good news however....we seem to be winning or slowing down this takeover by Big Sis/Bro or the One World Gov.</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">THEY tried to pull the wool over some good ole country people in Arkansas and Missouri but after trying to get something passed without the knowledge of locals, word got out and they seem to be stopping it (for now). The lie had it that the "people" were all for this and they even posted it on the two State's Wildlife sites as if it were a good thing. Well, the truth was that those it would have effected most who actually lived there in those areas did not know about it and did NOT like it one bit. Hopefully, this will be a turning point but I doubt it. Those poor folks around the Gulf of Mississippi will probably still pay their land taxes without any rights to re-build or CARE for their property after Katrina.</dt><dt id="yui_3_7_2_85_1373551854799_80" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> http://www.baxterbulletin.com/article/20130617/NEWS01/306170002/Controversy-heating-up-over-White-River

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If by ill informed you mean that I ...... Guilty. Sorry, couldn't resist making your reply reflect reality....:laugh: Yes, I deleted some of it... All in good humor... -Tyr

[Drummond]

I was merely engaging in the same behavior as your buddy. That you condone his behavior and question mine is not surprising to me.

Your "advise" is properly filed. My words were carefully chosen. ;)

Not accepted.

Show me where, in my 'buddy's' choice of words, he ever made a statement inferring your engagement in criminality.

Now consider these words, of YOURS ...


Do you torture your puppy with the same hands you type with ...

The 'puppy torturing', in your wording - and FROM your wording - is NOT, of itself, suggested in any way inferring room for doubt. You merely bring into question 'how it's done'.

If your words were carefully chosen, as you claim they were, you should now feel ashamed of them.

[aboutime]

Not accepted.

Show me where, in my 'buddy's' choice of words, he ever made a statement inferring your engagement in criminality.

Now consider these words, of YOURS ...



The 'puppy torturing', in your wording - and FROM your wording - is NOT, of itself, suggested in any way inferring room for doubt. You merely bring into question 'how it's done'.

If your words were carefully chosen, as you claim they were, you should now feel ashamed of them.


Sir Drummond. I thank you for your support. FJ had merely become very angry that I obviously had not been imitating him, or his words as well as he does. So, he must try to always deflect any attention from himself with the typical accusations. All of which. Mean absolutely nothing, since fj doesn't exist. Except in his own mind.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sir Drummond. I thank you for your support. FJ had merely become very angry that I obviously had not been imitating him, or his words as well as he does. So, he must try to always deflect any attention from himself with the typical accusations. All of which. Mean absolutely nothing, since fj doesn't exist. Except in his own mind. I don't mind that his mind is morbid and twisted to think of torturing little puppies. I don't mind if he don't mind and mind you I still don't mind even if he does mind! The pleasure is all mine and the devious twisting is all in his mind. I still don't mind .....;)--Tyr

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. I thank you for your support. FJ had merely become very angry that I obviously had not been imitating him, or his words as well as he does. So, he must try to always deflect any attention from himself with the typical accusations. All of which. Mean absolutely nothing, since fj doesn't exist. Except in his own mind.

You're most welcome.

But as I see it, FJ crossed a line which you have definitely not crossed. FJ's trying to suggest parity in your exchanges, but this is evidently untrue.

He needs to show the proper decency. That is, if he has it to show us.

[aboutime]

You're most welcome.

But as I see it, FJ crossed a line which you have definitely not crossed. FJ's trying to suggest parity in your exchanges, but this is evidently untrue.

He needs to show the proper decency. That is, if he has it to show us.


Thank you so much. However. That is the last thing I would ever expect from fj. I'm rather used to it by now.
There's always one who must always impress themselves, and never fail to get that last word.
I used to try that tactic. But found it's much more fun to follow Abe Lincoln's idea of allowing a fool to prove it, without my help.

[fj1200]

Sorry, couldn't resist making your reply reflect reality....:laugh: Yes, I deleted some of it... All in good humor... -Tyr

The door I left open was so wide that I expected that 'at' would walk right through it. I overestimated his abilities on that front but clearly not yours. :poke:


Not accepted.

Brace yourself here. I don't care what you accept or don't accept. That you ignore ignorance by your comrades is not unsurprising to me.


Show me where, in my 'buddy's' choice of words, he ever made a statement inferring your engagement in criminality.

Now consider these words, of YOURS ...

I understand that you ignore/don't understand? logical fallacies.


The 'puppy torturing', in your wording - and FROM your wording - is NOT, of itself, suggested in any way inferring room for doubt. You merely bring into question 'how it's done'.

If your words were carefully chosen, as you claim they were, you should now feel ashamed of them.

They were; have your figured out why yet? ;)


Sir Drummond. I thank you for your support. FJ had merely become very angry that I obviously had not been imitating him, or his words as well as he does. So, he must try to always deflect any attention from himself with the typical accusations. All of which. Mean absolutely nothing, since fj doesn't exist. Except in his own mind.

:laugh: You sure spend a lot of time interacting with a figment of your imagination.


I don't mind that his mind is morbid and twisted to think of torturing little puppies. I don't mind if he don't mind and mind you I still don't mind even if he does mind! The pleasure is all mine and the devious twisting is all in his mind. I still don't mind .....;)--Tyr

That was excellent. It rivaled only 'at' in its nonsensical-ness.


You're most welcome.

But as I see it, FJ crossed a line which you have definitely not crossed. FJ's trying to suggest parity in your exchanges, but this is evidently untrue.

He needs to show the proper decency. That is, if he has it to show us.

If you think anyone here is for a moment considering that any puppies are being tortured you're an even bigger fool that I thought. You knuckleheads are quite the tough internet posters but get so much in a kerfuffle with words on a screen.

[fj1200]

Thank you so much. However. It's blatantly obvious that I opened a can of worms that I have no idea how to close and need someone to ride into my rescue. Unfortunately I will not learn from my ignorance and now I will post something from Gob, Goeb, err, Lincoln that I neither understand nor heed.

Please excuse my reading between the lines.

[revelarts]

If by ill informed you mean that I don't accept that every zoning rule implemented at the local level that may be similar to Agenda 21 as a conspiracy against our sovereignty and rights? Guilty.

C'mon FJ, would it be better if were a just a trend against our sovereignty and rights?
And even trends, good and bad, have people that promote them.

You know in marketing that some large liquor and clothing manufactuers will hire Cool and beautiful people to go into bars and buy certain drinks and wear certain fashions, to try to start a trend. Is that conspiracy? Or just innovative marketing?
I mean look, You admit the egghaeds on a federal level and global level are h3ll bent on making this happen. They have a plan to "influence" local towns and counties to adopt as much as possible. They market bits of their plan to the local officials. nudges. And even give incentives by way of grants, (an old Fed tactic BTW.)

I'm not sure what you'd like to call that. Conspiracy might not be the right word. Creative marketing maybe? Cajoling maybe? Like minded people organized and quietly asserting strategic political influence? Whatever you want to call it FJ, it's happening and it does strip sovereignty and rights.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The door I left open was so wide that I expected that 'at' would walk right through it. I overestimated his abilities on that front but clearly not yours. :poke:


That was excellent. It rivaled only 'at' in its nonsensical-ness.


Thank you, just a little play on AT'S closing words to you . I hope you don't mind. ;)
Sir Drummond. I thank you for your support. FJ had merely become very angry that I obviously had not been imitating him, or his words as well as he does. So, he must try to always deflect any attention from himself with the typical accusations. All of which. Mean absolutely nothing, since fj doesn't exist. Except in his own mind.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

C'mon FJ, would it be better if were a just a trend against our sovereignty and rights?
And even trends, good and bad, have people that promote them.

You know in marketing that some large liquor and clothing manufactuers will hire Cool and beautiful people to go into bars and buy certain drinks and wear certain fashions, to try to start a trend. Is that conspiracy? Or just innovative marketing?
I mean look, You admit the egghaeds on a federal level and global level are h3ll bent on making this happen. They have a plan to "influence" local towns and counties to adopt as much as possible. They market bits of their plan to the local officials. nudges. And even give incentives by way of grants, (an old Fed tactic BTW.)

I'm not sure what you'd like to call that. Conspiracy might not be the right word. Creative marketing maybe? Cajoling maybe? Like minded people organized and quietly asserting strategic political influence? Whatever you want to call it FJ, it's happening and it does strip sovereignty and rights.
The difference is those business people are not equipped and prepared to come in guns blazing and shoot people to force what they want. The Agenda 21 group is and have made plans to shoot those that resist too fervently their little globalist plan. -Tyr

[fj1200]

C'mon FJ, would it be better if were a just a trend against our sovereignty and rights?
And even trends, good and bad, have people that promote them.

...

I'm not sure what you'd like to call that. Conspiracy might not be the right word. Creative marketing maybe? Cajoling maybe? Like minded people organized and quietly asserting strategic political influence? Whatever you want to call it FJ, it's happening and it does strip sovereignty and rights.

I've never said that eternal vigilance is not required but the evidence doesn't rise to the levels of fear IMO.

[fj1200]

Thank you, just a little play on AT'S closing words to you . I hope you don't mind. ;)

Apparently I'm a figment of your imagination as well. :dunno:

[fj1200]

The difference is those business people are not equipped and prepared to come in guns blazing and shoot people to force what they want. The Agenda 21 group is and have made plans to shoot those that resist too fervently their little globalist plan. -Tyr

Which group is that?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Apparently I'm a figment of your imagination as well. :dunno: Ha, my imagination hardly operates on creating a character such as you. I tend to let it wonder into the realm of glorious meetings with Playboy playmates and the usual fantasies any red bloodied American guy indulges in... SEXY BEAUTIFUL GIRLS, HUGE LOTTERY WINS, GUNS and Big game hunting in my case.. ;)-Tyr

[revelarts]

I've never said that eternal vigilance is not required but the evidence doesn't rise to the levels of fear IMO.

Ok Vigilance yes, part of that is talking about it with others.
And now we've seen the enemy. We see their plan. You may want to wait to do anything about it, fine. others see it as a real problem today.
That at this point, alert need to be made so that Push back, legal and otherwise can begin. before it goes to far. Like Gun laws and other laws that incrementally take rights away. why not nip it in the bud? before it grows. No one is going to die if we stop it now. once the lands and use rights are marked as locally or federally "protected" it will be harder to release them back don't you think?

[fj1200]

Ok Vigilance yes, part of that is talking about it with others.
And now we've seen the enemy. We see their plan. You may want to wait to do anything about it, fine. others see it as a real problem today.
That at this point, alert need to be made so that Push back, legal and otherwise can begin. before it goes to far. Like Gun laws and other laws that incrementally take rights away. why not nip it in the bud? before it grows. No one is going to die if we stop it now. once the lands and use rights are marked as locally or federally "protected" it will be harder to release them back don't you think?

I didn't say we don't do anything about it but resorting to comments like this:


The difference is those business people are not equipped and prepared to come in guns blazing and shoot people to force what they want. The Agenda 21 group is and have made plans to shoot those that resist too fervently their little globalist plan. -Tyr

... is not going to win anyone to your position. I have no problem upholding property rights, resisting eminent domain issues, reigning in government excess, etc. but your not going to win any battles if your focus is wrong.


Saul says that rather than taking on the parts of Cedar Falls 2020 he disliked most, he focused instead on Agenda 21 at a public meeting to discuss the plan. As almost no one in attendance knew what he was talking about, Saul says his words met with blank stares.

"I wish I'd focused on why the plan was bad," he said, "instead of talking about Agenda 21 and looking like a wacko nut job."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/agenda-21-tea-party_n_1965893.html

I just see a lot of things being thrown into this A21 mix as the next domino. Sorry, I don't see a residential/retail development mix as the next step to becoming Mother Russia.

[gabosaurus]

So wonderful that you people want to turn the country into one huge strip mine, complete with dirty air and polluted waterways. All to serve your industrial masters. Anyone who has ever been to a large city in Mexico or China knows what happens after this. You guys can circle jerk your argument all day and it will still be a messy pile of gook.

[fj1200]

So wonderful that you people want to turn the country into one huge strip mine, complete with dirty air and polluted waterways. All to serve your industrial masters.

I see your misconceptions are as ignorant as ever.

[Drummond]

Brace yourself here. I don't care what you accept or don't accept. That you ignore ignorance by your comrades is not unsurprising to me.

I already know this. You've said that before. Nevertheless, I have to tell you that you are not the only contributor here. When I post on this forum, it's understood that I state what I do on a public domain ...

.. which somehow seems to have sufficiently bypassed your consciousness, so as to allow you to think that jibes about 'puppy torturing' are, or could ever be, acceptable within such a setting.

And my previous point stands. YOU crossed a line that was NOT crossed by anyone else.

You claim that your words were 'carefully chosen', which actually makes it worse. If 'care' went into considering that jibe, what can truly be discerned about you ?


If you think anyone here is for a moment considering that any puppies are being tortured you're an even bigger fool that I thought. You knuckleheads are quite the tough internet posters but get so much in a kerfuffle with words on a screen.

Well done.

But this makes your jibe totally gratuitous. 'Carefully chosen', even so ....

Which says it all.

[aboutime]

I already know this. You've said that before. Nevertheless, I have to tell you that you are not the only contributor here. When I post on this forum, it's understood that I state what I do on a public domain ...

.. which somehow seems to have sufficiently bypassed your consciousness, so as to allow you to think that jibes about 'puppy torturing' are, or could ever be, acceptable within such a setting.

And my previous point stands. YOU crossed a line that was NOT crossed by anyone else.

You claim that your words were 'carefully chosen', which actually makes it worse. If 'care' went into considering that jibe, what can truly be discerned about you ?



Well done.

But this makes your jibe totally gratuitous. 'Carefully chosen', even so ....

Which says it all.


Sir Drummond. This is the only 'jibe' fj understands, every time he posts. He must always have the....5245

[fj1200]

I already know this. You've said that before. Nevertheless, I have to tell you that you are not the only contributor here. When I post on this forum, it's understood that I state what I do on a public domain ...

.. which somehow seems to have sufficiently bypassed your consciousness, so as to allow you to think that jibes about 'puppy torturing' are, or could ever be, acceptable within such a setting.

And my previous point stands. YOU crossed a line that was NOT crossed by anyone else.

You claim that your words were 'carefully chosen', which actually makes it worse. If 'care' went into considering that jibe, what can truly be discerned about you ?

Yet you jabber on anyway. I'm not sure why you're so upset though; they are subhuman after all.


Well done.

But this makes your jibe totally gratuitous. 'Carefully chosen', even so ....

Which says it all.

British sensibilities are so tender I see. One day maybe you'll catch on to why they were "carefully chosen." ;)

[fj1200]

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I'm wondering if you understand the irony of you repeatedly posting that pic... never mind, I'm sure you don't.

[aboutime]

I'm wondering if you understand the irony of you repeatedly posting that pic... never mind, I'm sure you don't.



Thank you for doing it AGAIN.

[fj1200]

Thank you for doing it AGAIN.

Wow, did I ever peg that one.


... never mind, I'm sure you don't.

:slap:

[SassyLady]

If by ill informed you mean that I don't accept that every zoning rule implemented at the local level that may be similar to Agenda 21 as a conspiracy against our sovereignty and rights? Guilty.

Do you really think "every zoning rule" has to follow Agenda 21 mandates to justify that Agenda 21 isn't being implemented. Come on fj .... would you accept 50% of zoning requirements are following Agenda 21? What will it take for you to realize that Agenda 21 is already deeply ingrained? Or, perhaps you are of the opinion that it's so far imbedded as to make it futile to protest?

[fj1200]

Do you really think "every zoning rule" has to follow Agenda 21 mandates to justify that Agenda 21 isn't being implemented. Come on fj .... would you accept 50% of zoning requirements are following Agenda 21? What will it take for you to realize that Agenda 21 is already deeply ingrained? Or, perhaps you are of the opinion that it's so far imbedded as to make it futile to protest?

You didn't follow my qualification.


If by ill informed you mean that I don't accept that every zoning rule implemented at the local level that may be similar to Agenda 21 as a conspiracy against our sovereignty and rights? Guilty.

Are you of the opinion that every zoning rule that has similarity to A21 is therefore bad and an attack on our sovereignty and property rights?

And no. I don't think it's so far embedded.