This guy puts so many things talked about here in perspective.

[Gaffer]

I really like this guy. I have been checking out all his stuff on you tube and throughly enjoy and agree with him.

I'm just giving the link cause I can't embed from this site.

http://libertyalliance.com/2013/08/zonation-racism-is-dumb/

[Larrymc]

I really like this guy. I have been checking out all his stuff on you tube and throughly enjoy and agree with him.

I'm just giving the link cause I can't embed from this site.

http://libertyalliance.com/2013/08/zonation-racism-is-dumb/Its always refreshing to see a black person willing to tell the truth, Shame the racist even have a name for them, Uncle Tom.

[aboutime]

Its always refreshing to see a black person willing to tell the truth, Shame the racist even have a name for them, Uncle Tom.


Gaffer. Here's the embed for ya....

http://youtu.be/K2NYzl0HY1Y

[hjmick]

Oh... I thought this thread was about me...

[Gaffer]

well if your name is Alfonzo maybe it is.

[hjmick]

well if your name is Alfonzo maybe it is.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS1cLOIxsQ8

[red state]

I really like this guy. I have been checking out all his stuff on you tube and throughly enjoy and agree with him.

I'm just giving the link cause I can't embed from this site.


GAFFER, THAT WAS EXCEPTIONAL! THANKS FOR SHARING AND A BIG THANKS TO ABOUT TIME FOR EMBEDDING.

I wonder what jafart or his lil' [2k] buddy would have to say about the content of this video. Judge a book by its COVER not the COLOUR.....I like that! We only wish to protect and preserve yet they would have us believe that we are wrong and overly cautious. Great video....I can also say that I agree with this guy 110% from the many things he covered in that one video. It may have been mostly a racial sermon but it can also be applied to the leftist pukes, the cult of muSLUMs who threaten LIFE, LIBERTY and PROSPERITY and it most certainly places political correctness in the CORRECT light.

[aboutime]

GAFFER, THAT WAS EXCEPTIONAL! THANKS FOR SHARING AND A BIG THANKS TO ABOUT TIME FOR EMBEDDING.

I wonder what jafart or his lil' [2k] buddy would have to say about the content of this video. Judge a book by its COVER not the COLOUR.....I like that! We only wish to protect and preserve yet they would have us believe that we are wrong and overly cautious. Great video....I can also say that I agree with this guy 110% from the many things he covered in that one video. It may have been mostly a racial sermon but it can also be applied to the leftist pukes, the cult of muSLUMs who threaten LIFE, LIBERTY and PROSPERITY and it most certainly places political correctness in the CORRECT light.


Does anyone notice how much attention, denial, and name calling takes place AFTER someone presents HONEST, TRUTHFUL FACTS?

Imagine what an Obama Presidency would be like IF...he suddenly decided to TELL THE TRUTH.

[Gaffer]

He has a couple of hundred you tube posts. He tells it like it is. He's a regular on PJTV.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Gaffer. Here's the embed for ya....

http://youtu.be/K2NYzl0HY1Y Fantastic video.... Enough truth there to sink a battleship , two aircraft carriers and a fleet of destroyers. --Tyr

[Kathianne]

I really like this guy. I have been checking out all his stuff on you tube and throughly enjoy and agree with him.

I'm just giving the link cause I can't embed from this site.

http://libertyalliance.com/2013/08/zonation-racism-is-dumb/

No surprise, PJ Media is one of the future of media. MSM doesn't like, not does Congress, but they are going to be dealing with from now to years from now.

[Drummond]

Does anyone notice how much attention, denial, and name calling takes place AFTER someone presents HONEST, TRUTHFUL FACTS?

Imagine what an Obama Presidency would be like IF...he suddenly decided to TELL THE TRUTH.

... steady on ... !!!! ...... :laugh::laugh:

[Drummond]

Fantastic video.... Enough truth there to sink a battleship , two aircraft carriers and a fleet of destroyers. --Tyr

... and maybe flatten a Hamas rocket-launching site or 2 .... eh, Jafar ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

... and maybe flatten a Hamas rocket-launching site or 2 .... eh, Jafar ? Bravo!--:beer:
Crap! Why didn't I think of that line??? Big D, you getting this stuff done pretty fast for a Brit.-- :poke:--Tyr

[Drummond]

Bravo!--:beer:
Crap! Why didn't I think of that line??? Big D, you getting this stuff done pretty fast for a Brit.-- :poke:--Tyr:clap::clap::beer:

... and it's 5AM here, as I type ... not sleeping appears to agree with me ...

I get things sent to me by 'Conservative Daily', Tyr. Have just seen this from them. It fits in pretty well with this thread .. ?

5414

[aboutime]

:clap::clap::beer:

... and it's 5AM here, as I type ... not sleeping appears to agree with me ...

I get things sent to me by 'Conservative Daily', Tyr. Have just seen this from them. It fits in pretty well with this thread .. ?

5414


Sir Drummond. Bout time we let everyone know how....YOU have a FIVE HOUR advantage over all of us on this side of the pond. In many respects. You, and everyone in the U.K. will be first to know on the day Obama's dream of a Socialist State in America becomes reality for good.

[revelarts]

I've seen several of his post he makes lots of great points in them.
but Ok here..,
i was pretty much with him until he hit the 4th amendment claiming cops can stop and frisk you because you LOOK suspicious. And the implication that ALL of the New Yorker's stopped and frisked, over 685,000 times and nearly nine out of ten people were black or Hispanic, were ONLY stopped because they wore hoodies.
As he shows, whites wear hoodies too. But 9 out of 10 stopnfrisks with or without hoodies were black and hispanic.
seems a stretch to me to imply it's all about hoodies in New York's case.

BUT cover or color, as he said, it doesn't make a difference in this sense.
The if the cops have no REASONABLE suspicion of a Crime then they have no right to touch you.
If you look like a Hells Angel or or a skin head and your minding your own business, the cops have no right to frisk you. They can follow your around town if they like, but if your not doing anything wrong they should back off.

Another set of cases to this point are people who open carry. They have been stopped and searched for no reason. Stopping to talk is fine but if there's no reason go farther the police need to back off.
None of this clairvoyant preemptive strike police work. Sure ask your question, (no need for us answer though) Or follow but the 4th is a clear line. Safety is great but not at the expense of a police state or ,less dramatically, just allowing police to ignore at will the so called Highest law in the land to get it done.
The 4th protects everyone's liberty.

And the 4th doesn't say
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. EXCEPT IF YOU LOOK SUSPICIOUS, then well of course none of the above applies.

[Gaffer]

Well rev, the stop and frisking is going on in high crime and gang areas. You have no police experience, but stopping a guy, it's usually multiple guys, and just talking will just get you disrespectful remarks and attitude. They frisk before talking because while your talking a weapon might be pulled out. Frisk first, then talk. There are certain policies that need to be in place for the officers protection. The fourth doesn't over ride the cops right to life.

Do they have ride along programs where you live? If so you might want to look into doing that. See what the really seamy side of society looks like. You may still hate the govt but you can appreciate what the cops go through and why they do things the way they do.

[revelarts]

Well rev, the stop and frisking is going on in high crime and gang areas. You have no police experience, but stopping a guy, it's usually multiple guys, and just talking will just get you disrespectful remarks and attitude. They frisk before talking because while your talking a weapon might be pulled out. Frisk first, then talk. There are certain policies that need to be in place for the officers protection. The fourth doesn't over ride the cops right to life.

Do they have ride along programs where you live? If so you might want to look into doing that. See what the really seamy side of society looks like. You may still hate the govt but you can appreciate what the cops go through and why they do things the way they do.

Every time the policy is mentioned i hear a new excuse for it.

hoodies
high-crime area
guns off the street
Low crime
putting the fear of the police into um
Blacks do most of the crime sooo what
it's really not breaking the 4th
cops have done it since cave man days it only the "liberals" that read the 4th and think it applies to everyone equally. What liberal clap trap.

now you bring in the safety of the police.
I don't want ANYONE hurt. so i understand the baseline concern. BUT BEFORE the aggressive stop and frisk was every implemented I never heard of any higher rates of Police injuries.
ANd it's my understanding that , instead of stopping people for REASONABLE stuff where a frisk would be in Order, They have been stopping people literally walking to school. "in dangerous groups" or Alone to the corner store. or in pairs to the uncles apartment or the park.


I mentioned here a while back that As part of my Job i was taking photos of buildings. I stood on Historic Church Wall to get some shots someone saw me and called the cops. So, point 1, they weren't just rolling by looking for suspicious people walking the streets. So they came and asked what i was doing. Then ASKED to frisk me. "do you mind if we make sure you don't have any weapons." This was PRE my so called "hate the gov't" days in 2002. So i allowed it and long story short they left and it was over.

But the police asked because I had committed no crime. And they had no 4th amendment right to frisk.
but still, i suppose i looked suspicious to someone, because of my big coat, swarty complexion and camera.
SoWhat ever the case, the question is should my/our 4th amendment rights just go in the trash because the police are nervous?
I honestly hate to put it this way but police know the job is dangerous when they choose it.
And the police and courts tell us the law is the law, and we shouldn't violate others rights for OUR civilian protection. good for the goose...

[Jeff]

I really like this guy. I have been checking out all his stuff on you tube and throughly enjoy and agree with him.

I'm just giving the link cause I can't embed from this site.

http://libertyalliance.com/2013/08/zonation-racism-is-dumb/

I have seen this guy defend and attack whites, he is a great guy a guy that stands his ground, he is a straight forward speaker and I have not always liked his Opinion but I do admire that he stands his ground whether you like it or not !!

[Gaffer]

Every time the policy is mentioned i hear a new excuse for it.

hoodies
high-crime area
guns off the street
Low crime
putting the fear of the police into um
Blacks do most of the crime sooo what
it's really not breaking the 4th
cops have done it since cave man days it only the "liberals" that read the 4th and think it applies to everyone equally. What liberal clap trap.

now you bring in the safety of the police.
I don't want ANYONE hurt. so i understand the baseline concern. BUT BEFORE the aggressive stop and frisk was every implemented I never heard of any higher rates of Police injuries.
ANd it's my understanding that , instead of stopping people for REASONABLE stuff where a frisk would be in Order, They have been stopping people literally walking to school. "in dangerous groups" or Alone to the corner store. or in pairs to the uncles apartment or the park.


I mentioned here a while back that As part of my Job i was taking photos of buildings. I stood on Historic Church Wall to get some shots someone saw me and called the cops. So, point 1, they weren't just rolling by looking for suspicious people walking the streets. So they came and asked what i was doing. Then ASKED to frisk me. "do you mind if we make sure you don't have any weapons." This was PRE my so called "hate the gov't" days in 2002. So i allowed it and long story short they left and it was over.

But the police asked because I had committed no crime. And they had no 4th amendment right to frisk.
but still, i suppose i looked suspicious to someone, because of my big coat, swarty complexion and camera.
SoWhat ever the case, the question is should my/our 4th amendment rights just go in the trash because the police are nervous?
I honestly hate to put it this way but police know the job is dangerous when they choose it.
And the police and courts tell us the law is the law, and we shouldn't violate others rights for OUR civilian protection. good for the goose...

So you experienced a pat down. What they are doing is looking for bulky objects that might be a weapon. It's that simple. Yes the job is dangerous, but the job description does not include enduring physical abuse or even verbal abuse to a point. You eliminate the possibilities of physical assault with a weapon at the outset of the questioning. All this stuff has been enacted over the years because of the many assaults on officers. Just look at them on you tube, there's tons.

Do cops overstep their authority, most definitely. Some just like to roust people. But it's not the innocent walker that they are usually checking out. It's guys in gangsta style that look suspicious. The cop is stopping them and asking questions and in this way they know he knows who they are and where they are and if anything happens in the area they will be the first suspects.

You tend to paint all cops with the same brush.

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. Bout time we let everyone know how....YOU have a FIVE HOUR advantage over all of us on this side of the pond. In many respects. You, and everyone in the U.K. will be first to know on the day Obama's dream of a Socialist State in America becomes reality for good.

Well, it's 5 hours minimum ! Could be a couple of hours more than that if whoever reads my stuff is further to the US's west coast, of course.

[aboutime]

Well, it's 5 hours minimum ! Could be a couple of hours more than that if whoever reads my stuff is further to the US's west coast, of course.



Sir Drummond. We could really confuse some people by telling them You live in the ZULU time zone.

In fact. I wonder how many are even aware that you live Literally, where Time begins every day?

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[red state]

So you experienced a pat down. What they are doing is looking for bulky objects that might be a weapon. It's that simple. Yes the job is dangerous, but the job description does not include enduring physical abuse or even verbal abuse to a point. You eliminate the possibilities of physical assault with a weapon at the outset of the questioning. All this stuff has been enacted over the years because of the many assaults on officers. Just look at them on you tube, there's tons.

Do cops overstep their authority, most definitely. Some just like to roust people. But it's not the innocent walker that they are usually checking out. It's guys in gangsta style that look suspicious. The cop is stopping them and asking questions and in this way they know he knows who they are and where they are and if anything happens in the area they will be the first suspects.

You tend to paint all cops with the same brush.

Gaffer, as best I understand your point of view and REV's......You feel that it is OK for citizens to lose certain rights for "SECURITY" (be it the safety of the cops or the general public). REV believes pretty much as I do in that they have no rights in trampling on mine (IF) I have done nothing wrong or have given them reason to suspect that I'm doing anything wrong. NOW, where I differ from REV is his continuous assault on the intelligence that cops are picking on blacks or hispanics. BULL$#!T to that and I've heard cases where cops were issued orders to frisk a certain amount of "white-looking" folks in order to be "FAIR". This is another reason I feel that we need more RIGHTS and less cops......more FREEDOMS with common sense and less TSA agents. If I've misinterpreted either of you, I apologize but that is what I've gotten out of your comments in this thread and others like it. In effect, I suppose I'm stuck between you two so don't feel that I am disrespectful in anyway...nothing could be further from the truth. I simply see things differently but I'll stand firm that (IF) I'm walking the streets and a cop wants to "frisk" my wife.....he's certainly overstepped his authority and if the cop is going to trample on any amendment rights and search whites, do it AFTER the whites have made it known that they are as prevalent in causing the sort of trouble that "hooded gang-land blacks/hispanics are already guilty of.....frisk them (anyone) cuz they fall under the logical profile (not to fairly search someone unfairly or unCONSTITUTIONALLY).

Bottom Line: NYC or anywhere else is WRONG in searching folks without cause (legitimate cause) and it is also wrong to seek out certain folks out of fairness or simply because they are black. If I were a cop (or TSA agent), I'd not frisk anyone who looked respectful. I may not abuse the American Rights of a muSLUM looking fellow, a black or hispanic who looked suspicious but I'm certainly going to watch him REAL close. We're trampling on what (IS) America and I'd just about rather have one as the other when it comes to freedoms or threats (IF) we are going to sacrifice one for the other.

Haven't we already lost FREEDOM with no guarantee that we've avoided DANGER or DEATH? I'll take what I DESERVE and have earned rather with a chance of bad things happening rather than live an 'existence' of abuse with false security from what "could" befall me.

[Gaffer]

No offense taken. But I'll try to clarify a bit. Most of the stop and frisk that goes on is in neighborhoods that are high crime areas. It's not just regular folks walking down the street. White guys in hoodies in a black neighborhood are just as likely to get stopped and frisked as blacks in a white neighborhood. It's profiling, though they don't call it that.

The cop isn't just going to walk up to these guys and start a casual conversation. He and they both know why he has approached them. It's not about giving up any rights, it's a simple pat down to make sure no one is armed. Then the questioning begins. And as I said they are taking note of the guys they stop in case there's reason to look at them later. They do field reports (FR's) to compare later if something has occurred or occurs later.

That's not to say there are no badge heavy jerks out there that just like to roust people because they can. I have known more than a few of them. They are not respected by the other officers. I'm sure things have changed since I wore a badge, but most cops are just trying to do a good job for the community. And most are conservatives. However...

The more liberal dems that get into city govt. The more liberal dems that get appointed to high position in the departments. They in turn bring in more of their ilk. So maybe your right.

[red state]

Oh....I know I'm RIGHT (just may not be correct in all the facts). HA!!!!
Seriously though you had me going with FACTS that you were aware of and that I was unaware of....HOWEVER, I still don't like the idea of cops frisking someone who has not caused them to chase or has not been in an immediate area where a shooting or robbery has occurred.

I appreciate you, your posts, your wisdom and your service (both in Vietnam and as a "PEACE OFFICER") I simply don't agree with the frisking of anyone who has not provided reason to do so (other than how they LOOK). I fully understand the need to follow them, question them or keep an eye one them but to frisk someone as the case is now in NYC seems so terribly wrong (almost as wrong as REV preaching about how the blacks and hispanics are treated unjustly). Fact is....they have forced this upon themselves and if there were more who prove to be upstanding citizens, cops would have less of a need to "profile" them.

I hope this makes sense as to how I see things and I VERY MUCH appreciate your informing me to things I wasn't aware of. I truly thought that anyone, at any time and any where could be stopped and "violated". As I understood it, the PC crowd had even given orders to search a certain number of "White-looking" folks to be fair to those who see things as REV does *(WRONGLY, I might add). Sorry REV...I like ya and agree with you much of the time but *(IF) you're saying what I think you're saying, you are wrong my friend and dangerously on the left side of things on this issue.

Thanks Gaffer, it is so pleasant to actually discuss or debate someone who may or may not see things differently but approaches such differences HONESTLY and with integrity. Wouldn't it be nice if the liberals could actually debate or simply differ as we have done here in my feeling strongly about our rights being on the line here. If it can happen in NYC, it can inevitably happen anywhere, to anyone at any time. I realize that it does happen EVERYWHERE at the hand of bad cops but I fear it becoming the law/letter of the land. From there, it will only get worse.

[Kathianne]

No offense taken. But I'll try to clarify a bit. Most of the stop and frisk that goes on is in neighborhoods that are high crime areas. It's not just regular folks walking down the street. White guys in hoodies in a black neighborhood are just as likely to get stopped and frisked as blacks in a white neighborhood. It's profiling, though they don't call it that.

The cop isn't just going to walk up to these guys and start a casual conversation. He and they both know why he has approached them. It's not about giving up any rights, it's a simple pat down to make sure no one is armed. Then the questioning begins. And as I said they are taking note of the guys they stop in case there's reason to look at them later. They do field reports (FR's) to compare later if something has occurred or occurs later.

That's not to say there are no badge heavy jerks out there that just like to roust people because they can. I have known more than a few of them. They are not respected by the other officers. I'm sure things have changed since I wore a badge, but most cops are just trying to do a good job for the community. And most are conservatives. However...

The more liberal dems that get into city govt. The more liberal dems that get appointed to high position in the departments. They in turn bring in more of their ilk. So maybe your right.

It may be the police officers I've known, the number of which is more than average for a non-officer. My uncle and my brother were police officers over my entire life until 2 years ago, when brother retired as deputy chief and switched to being 'Park Distr., Liaison' of the same city he'd worked in. He'd turned down 'Chief of Police twice in his last few years, looking to retire when we found out his son had a brain tumor. That put moving to FL on back burner, but he realized he really was tired of dealing with the City Council. The current chief knew he was looking for something else, at 52 really too active to fully retires. While talking with head of Pk Dist. found they were looking for someone what could bridge the concerns of parks with the police. Not looking for arrests, but avoiding problems. The Pk Dist was working on a job description. The chief mentioned my brother, who as juvenile detective, had volunteered to work with a group of kids that wanted a skateboarding site, which the park district was concerned with-via being in self-insured city; the police were concerned with skateboarding on streets and in the downtown area. It was worked out and became a model for other suburbs nationwide.

The Pk Dist chief was like, umm salary? Not going to be close, lucky to be in bottom 1/3. Not a problem, he already had 28 years in. So that's what he's doing today. ;)

Getting back to 'conservative,' I found most police officers much more tolerant of differences than some of my progressive friends. They do not necessarily assume a group of kids are 'trouble waiting to happen,' but they do think that teens especially should have something constructive to do. Which is why one often finds off duty officers working at teen centers, acting as Big Brothers/Big Sisters, organizing runs and walks for charities, etc.

Most officers I know are not very pro-gun ownership, unless with professional training and the same type of safety measures they use at home. My brother kept his gun in a safe, at least until his children were adults. Now he has a grandchild. I'm pretty sure the gun is again in a safe.

My uncle rose to Lieutenant on CPD, retired around 1975 or so. He had a lead role in police control at the '68 Convention, I think that was the event that led to his retiring early. He thought the police were set up to become the fall guys, by the Daley administration. Nothing in their practice was to act as they did. Orders were orders though, one of the few times one could see how the military can get into problems when politicians put them in those positions. While he had no love for the Abbie Hoffmans their were plenty of demonstrators that were just trying to be 'heard.' He thought they had the right to be.

Both my brother and uncle were 'people persons' and had many friends on their departments. I grew up around my uncle's friends and as an adult with the police 'my brother chose to hang with.' Perhaps in both cases their choice of friends in the field reflected their own ideas.

Chicago cops were very different than the suburban cops I knew as an adult. The Chicago guys pretty much drank hard, told funny stories, and sometimes scary ones. I remember when I was reading, "To Kill A Mockingbird," he started to laugh and say, "Atticus was a brave man and a good shot. He also had to know what a rabid dog looked like." He then went on about a call he'd gone to as back up, there were like 5 cops staying way away from a dog that people had been calling about in an alley. All the cops had their guns drawn, but the dog was just sort of standing there growling. When the dog lunged to get away, shots were fired, the dog was hit in the butt. They called animal control and the dog was taken away. 3 of the cops had called to see how the dog was doing, my uncle was the 4th. The dog was not rabid, but likely abandoned and stressed with both the guns pointed and the feeling of being surrounded. He was going to be put down. My uncle paid for the surgery and brought the damned dog home. Was a mean sucker, always.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We're trampling on what (IS) America and I'd just about rather have one as the other when it comes to freedoms or threats (IF) we are going to sacrifice one for the other.

Haven't we already lost FREEDOM with no guarantee that we've avoided DANGER or DEATH? I'll take what I DESERVE and have earned rather with a chance of bad things happening rather than live an 'existence' of abuse with false security from what "could" befall me. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I am all for this. -Tyr

[aboutime]

I heard Senator Cruz ask some people he was talking to in New Hampshire, on C-SPAN this morning.

It was a great question....EVERY AMERICAN should keep in mind, and it goes like this.


"If We lose our Freedom here in the United States. Where else can we go?"

[Larrymc]

I heard Senator Cruz ask some people he was talking to in New Hampshire, on C-SPAN this morning.

It was a great question....EVERY AMERICAN should keep in mind, and it goes like this.


"If We lose our Freedom here in the United States. Where else can we go?""That Is The Question, The Answer is to simple for any respectable Liberal to comprehend.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I really like this guy. I have been checking out all his stuff on you tube and throughly enjoy and agree with him.

I'm just giving the link cause I can't embed from this site.

http://libertyalliance.com/2013/08/zonation-racism-is-dumb/

He should run for office.