17 Years After Gun Bans in Australia …Police Say Gun Crime is Out of Control -

[Jeff]

17 years later after the massive gun law and gun confiscation and they still have major gun violence , imagine that the criminals didn't get the memo to hand in there guns I guess, but I have to doubt that if in the last 12 months alone, over 3,300 people were charged with gun crimes, and over 9,000 guns have been confiscated that they where all due to 17 years ago the thugs didn't get the memo, the guns are still being bought and sold just not legally there anymore, that makes a lot of sense take away the law abiding citizens guns that have to go through all kind of hoops to get them so only the criminals can have them .


In 1996 Australia unloaded some of the most severe gun bans and gun confiscation programs on record. And for the guns that were not confiscated gun owners were forced to enter into license agreements and have their guns registered so the government knew what guns everyone had.
Well, they really only knew what guns the law abiding had, since none of the criminals actually followed the program. Fancy that.
Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/08/21/Aussie-Politician-Complains-About-U-S-Gun-Laws-But-Gun-Crime-In-Sydney-Is-Out-Of-Control) just reported some interesting developments in Australia that prove all the anti-gun lawmakers wrong. Gun control does NOT take guns out of the hands of criminals, it only disarms the law abiding, while making everyone less safe.

http://clashdaily.com/2013/08/no-kidding-17yrs-after-gun-bans-in-australia-police-say-gun-crime-is-out-of-control/

[Gaffer]

But...but..jafar said all was peaceful and hunky dory down there in oz. Maybe they should try immolating the US instead of the UK for a change. Watch the gun crimes drop drastically.

[Larrymc]

17 years later after the massive gun law and gun confiscation and they still have major gun violence , imagine that the criminals didn't get the memo to hand in there guns I guess, but I have to doubt that if in the last 12 months alone, over 3,300 people were charged with gun crimes, and over 9,000 guns have been confiscated that they where all due to 17 years ago the thugs didn't get the memo, the guns are still being bought and sold just not legally there anymore, that makes a lot of sense take away the law abiding citizens guns that have to go through all kind of hoops to get them so only the criminals can have them .


In 1996 Australia unloaded some of the most severe gun bans and gun confiscation programs on record. And for the guns that were not confiscated gun owners were forced to enter into license agreements and have their guns registered so the government knew what guns everyone had.
Well, they really only knew what guns the law abiding had, since none of the criminals actually followed the program. Fancy that.
Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/08/21/Aussie-Politician-Complains-About-U-S-Gun-Laws-But-Gun-Crime-In-Sydney-Is-Out-Of-Control) just reported some interesting developments in Australia that prove all the anti-gun lawmakers wrong. Gun control does NOT take guns out of the hands of criminals, it only disarms the law abiding, while making everyone less safe.

http://clashdaily.com/2013/08/no-kidding-17yrs-after-gun-bans-in-australia-police-say-gun-crime-is-out-of-control/Common sense a tool Im yet to see a Liberal deploy.

[aboutime]

Anyone feel like challenging JAFAR with his facts?????

Again?

Since the little prophet of phony Peace in Australia has insisted gun control has worked so well there????

[tailfins]

US gun supporters deserve applause for getting active and stopping what could have been a massive gun control program last year. Claim victory when deserved.

[jafar00]

We may have bikie gangs shooting at each other in Western Sydney, but one thing we have been free of since is massacres. How many massacres in schools etc... has the US seen in the same time? How many senseless murders that may have had a different outcome if guns were harder to get hold of?

[Marcus Aurelius]

We may have bikie gangs shooting at each other in Western Sydney, but one thing we have been free of since is massacres. How many massacres in schools etc... has the US seen in the same time? You tell us, dumb ass YOU are the one who said they were countless, then couldn't link to a list of them all.


How many senseless murders that may have had a different outcome if guns were harder to get hold of? Criminals will ALWYS be able to get guns, regardless of gun laws. They don't follow the laws now, so what the fuck makes you think they suddenly would with more gun laws???



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[aboutime]

We may have bikie gangs shooting at each other in Western Sydney, but one thing we have been free of since is massacres. How many massacres in schools etc... has the US seen in the same time? How many senseless murders that may have had a different outcome if guns were harder to get hold of?


Good to see you're finally back to the Excuse tactics again. You're not even convincing enough to convince yourself as you forget which order your last falsehood was presented here.

[tailfins]

We may have bikie gangs shooting at each other in Western Sydney, but one thing we have been free of since is massacres. How many massacres in schools etc... has the US seen in the same time? How many senseless murders that may have had a different outcome if guns were harder to get hold of?

Bullshit!

[jafar00]

Bullshit!

BS to the massacres or BS to the fact that murdering someone is a bit harder without a gun?

[aboutime]

BS to the massacres or BS to the fact that murdering someone is a bit harder without a gun?


You are asking us? When your bretheren like the Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas have NO PROBLEMS when BEHEADING someone with a sharp instrument?
And you come to tell us about Guns???

I now believe, both your nose, and eyes are just as brown as the BS you bring here.

[tailfins]

BS to the massacres or BS to the fact that murdering someone is a bit harder without a gun?

EVEN IF the freedom to bear arms where to cause a small increase in deaths (which it doesn't), freedom is worth something. When you tell the person who enjoys shooting, repairing and collecting firearms they should be arrested, next time it will be something your enjoy doing the government will prohibit.

[Noir]

Um, the OP says that the police say that gun crime is out of control, but the actual article contains no such quote... =/

[tailfins]

We may have bikie gangs shooting at each other in Western Sydney, but one thing we have been free of since is massacres. How many massacres in schools etc... has the US seen in the same time? How many senseless murders that may have had a different outcome if guns were harder to get hold of?

I have relatives that point out how many senseless murders were prevented by racial segregation. What would you say to them?

[jafar00]

EVEN IF the freedom to bear arms where to cause a small increase in deaths (which it doesn't), freedom is worth something. When you tell the person who enjoys shooting, repairing and collecting firearms they should be arrested, next time it will be something your enjoy doing the government will prohibit.

A distinct lack of massacres in Australia along with the ONLY shootings we have are mob hits on other gangs, says volumes about the success of gun control here.

If you are a serious gun collector in Australia, you can obtain a collector's license to enable you to pursue your hobby so it is nothing about freedom. It is about public safety.

[tailfins]

A distinct lack of massacres in Australia along with the ONLY shootings we have are mob hits on other gangs, says volumes about the success of gun control here.

If you are a serious gun collector in Australia, you can obtain a collector's license to enable you to pursue your hobby so it is nothing about freedom. It is about public safety.

A quick look at the collector's license shows it is only for pre-1946 firearms. It appears Australia's gun law's are stricter than Cuba's. When I was in Cuba, there are government owned shooting ranges and gun rentals open to anyone, even an American tourist like yours truly.

[Jeff]

A distinct lack of massacres in Australia along with the ONLY shootings we have are mob hits on other gangs, says volumes about the success of gun control here.

If you are a serious gun collector in Australia, you can obtain a collector's license to enable you to pursue your hobby so it is nothing about freedom. It is about public safety.

jafar there have been links on top of links showing how crime doubled in some cases since they came with gun control, no I won't post them again but man try to tell the truth just once

[jafar00]

jafar there have been links on top of links showing how crime doubled in some cases since they came with gun control, no I won't post them again but man try to tell the truth just once

Turning the country into some sort of redneck wild west (and Western Sydney is full of rednecks but we like to call them "Bogans") is not the answer to problems if crime.

Everywhere has rising crime and Australia is no different. Where we are different is on things like the intentional homicide rate. USA 4.8 vs Australia 1.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[aboutime]

Turning the country into some sort of redneck wild west (and Western Sydney is full of rednecks but we like to call them "Bogans") is not the answer to problems if crime.

Everywhere has rising crime and Australia is no different. Where we are different is on things like the intentional homicide rate. USA 4.8 vs Australia 1.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate



The One, and only answer to all of YOUR PROBLEMS 'JAFAR', based on your endless lies, that disguise your complaints, would be....MOVE somewhere else.

[Drummond]

From what I can see, Jafar is trying to say that the exact circumstances which apply to gun violence excuse or condemn a country's 'safety' record. Apparently ... that biker gangs cause a great deal of Australia's problem, somehow shows that Australia is doing so very much better than other countries, e.g the US ???

As I see it, it's a very flimsy argument at absolute best, and seems to be an excuse for Jafar to go on an anti-US propaganda spree.

Surely, the issue is whether public safety is served by the type of gun restrictions in place ? And aren't Aussie laws supposed to be a lot stricter than US laws ?

NOW .. if this is the way to go, to make a country safer ... then this whole 'biker' issue shouldn't exist. How come bikers get these guns, much less use them to kill ? Do Australian biker gangs somehow enjoy an exemption from the law ?

See ...

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/is-australia-staring-down-the-barrel-of-a-gun-crisis/story-fncynjr2-1226690018325


THERE is a gun battle going on in Australia. As bikie gang members and drug dealers gun each other down on a regular basis, sending fear through the community, authorities seem to be fighting a losing battle to keep firearms out of their hands.

Without scaremongering, here are the facts:

* There have been 39 people shot in Sydney this year, most related to an ongoing bikie war.
* Conservative estimates say there are more than a quarter-of-a-million illegal firearms in Australia.
* Gun ownership in Australia is back at pre-Port Arthur massacre levels.
* Carrying a gun is becoming more common and ingrained in outlaw culture.
* Gun amnesties barely put a dent in the number of weapons.
* Innocent people are being caught up in gun battles.
* There has been a steady increase in gun-related crimes over the past seven years.

But ..
* Our rate of gun-related deaths is decreasing. Latest figures show guns account for just 1.06 deaths per 100,000 compared to 10.3 per 100,000 in the United States.

So far this year, there have been 39 people shot on Sydney's streets. Fourteen of those were in July. Two men were shot dead this week. One had survived another shooting just days before being killed.

So, Australia's situation is getting worse .. note the dramatic increase in July.

Note also that there are over 300 million people in the US today. In Australia, and considering the size of the continent, and how spread out the communities must be ... just 23 million.

And yet, there's been no change in Australian law to explain this increase in gun crime.

[aboutime]

From what I can see, Jafar is trying to say that the exact circumstances which apply to gun violence excuse or condemn a country's 'safety' record. Apparently ... that biker gangs cause a great deal of Australia's problem, somehow shows that Australia is doing so very much better than other countries, e.g the US ???

As I see it, it's a very flimsy argument at absolute best, and seems to be an excuse for Jafar to go on an anti-US propaganda spree.

Surely, the issue is whether public safety is served by the type of gun restrictions in place ? And aren't Aussie laws supposed to be a lot stricter than US laws ?

NOW .. if this is the way to go, to make a country safer ... then this whole 'biker' issue shouldn't exist. How come bikers get these guns, much less use them to kill ? Do Australian biker gangs somehow enjoy an exemption from the law ?

See ...

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/is-australia-staring-down-the-barrel-of-a-gun-crisis/story-fncynjr2-1226690018325



So, Australia's situation is getting worse .. note the dramatic increase in July.

Note also that there are over 300 million people in the US today. In Australia, and considering the size of the continent, and how spread out the communities must be ... just 23 million.

And yet, there's been no change in Australian law to explain this increase in gun crime.


Sir Drummond. All we are seeing from jafar is the typical, American Liberal Style of Blaming someone else; or other nations in this case, to cover up, or distract attention from facts that people like jafar are..unable to change, or defend.
In fact. Jafar more often sounds like Obama in nearly every post we read.

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. All we are seeing from jafar is the typical, American Liberal Style of Blaming someone else; or other nations in this case, to cover up, or distract attention from facts that people like jafar are..unable to change, or defend.
In fact. Jafar more often sounds like Obama in nearly every post we read.:clap::clap::clap:

I get the impression that Jafar is just a propagandist, pure and simple.

His pecking order for his 'anti' propaganda seems to be:-

1. Israel (I've never known him to say ONE good word, either about the country, or about Jews).

2. The US

3. Anyone else is a poor 'third' at best. Jafar has his two chief targets.

Oh, and the Muslims are wonderful. Any Muslim not wonderful isn't a Muslim, even if they ARE ...

[red state]

Turning the country into some sort of redneck wild west (and Western Sydney is full of rednecks but we like to call them "Bogans") is not the answer to problems if crime.

Everywhere has rising crime and Australia is no different. Where we are different is on things like the intentional homicide rate. USA 4.8 vs Australia 1.0

WOW! How very STUPID or dishonest of you (I'll allow you to label which of the two you are) but I suspect BOTH is true with an added description of PURE EVIL. Have you ever compared your numbers? How many Americans there are as compared to how many Aussies there are? I would think that (at best) your numbers are EXACTLY the same percentage and possibly more of a percentage leaning toward Australia. Still, FREEDOM is FREEDOM and I could care less about those who are killed or injured after they have CHOSEN to be defenseless. I choose to FIGHT and if shot at (SHOOT BACK). I like how even the poorest LEGAL citizens can have and USE guns LEGALLY here in the USA. In Australia, it is geared toward only the wealthy or elite owning firearms and that is EXACTLY how the liberals like it. You chose to use the term "REDNECK"....well, that was your most STUPID statement in trying to list certain people of certain areas as the unsafe zones. In the USA, a redneck is usually a: GOOD OLE BOY, A SOUTHERN, back-woods country boy, A SIMPLE-live-by-a-simple-code-self sustaining-KICK-YORE-@$$ kinda guy who will do just that (IF) you mess with him, his family or his dog. In such REDNECK areas...one is as safe as one can be so your entire rant is as ignorant as folks like you mistakenly believe such innovative rednecks are. You couldn't be more wrong or prejudice in your ignorance.

[Jeff]

Turning the country into some sort of redneck wild west (and Western Sydney is full of rednecks but we like to call them "Bogans") is not the answer to problems if crime.

Everywhere has rising crime and Australia is no different. Where we are different is on things like the intentional homicide rate. USA 4.8 vs Australia 1.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

jafar think if everyone owned a gun that would cut crime in half, of course you should't let certain people own them but if every law abiding citizen owned a gun it would stop a lot of crimes, we have proved that here in American , the town in GA called Kennasaw it is illegal not to own a gun and they have had like one murder in 25 years, also very little crime of any kind and this town is just north of the bad part of Atlanta, even criminals are going to take the easy way out ( most want your money but they don't want to die for it ) And the fact is your Country proved this also when they made gun control law the first Quarter showed a major jump in crime, so yes where there are guns you do have lunatics that will do horrific things( but if they don't have guns they will do it another way ) but over all this argument has been proven time and time again

[aboutime]

jafar think if everyone owned a gun that would cut crime in half, of course you should't let certain people own them but if every law abiding citizen owned a gun it would stop a lot of crimes, we have proved that here in American , the town in GA called Kennasaw it is illegal not to own a gun and they have had like one murder in 25 years, also very little crime of any kind and this town is just north of the bad part of Atlanta, even criminals are going to take the easy way out ( most want your money but they don't want to die for it ) And the fact is your Country proved this also when they made gun control law the first Quarter showed a major jump in crime, so yes where there are guns you do have lunatics that will do horrific things( but if they don't have guns they will do it another way ) but over all this argument has been proven time and time again



Jeff. All of this back, and forth with jafar is just useless, and meaningless. His only desire is to keep everyone arguing with him. Nothing more.
Which is why I have declared JAFAR as the 'SWITCH CHAMPION OF THE WORLD'.

He places one thumb in his mouth, and his other thumb up his butt, and waits for someone to TELL HIM TO............"SWITCH!"

[jimnyc]

From an earlier post of mine:

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.


Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.


Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

Armed robberies - up SIXTY percent
Assaults with guns - up TWENTY EIGHT percent
Gun murders - up NINETEEN percent
Home invasions - up TWENTY ONE percent

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[Marcus Aurelius]

From an earlier post of mine:

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.


Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.


Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

Armed robberies - up SIXTY percent
Assaults with guns - up TWENTY EIGHT percent
Gun murders - up NINETEEN percent
Home invasions - up TWENTY ONE percent

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your sources were not 'really' Australian.
You got those stats form an Australian hate site.