NSA & the gov't the Founders and Orwell warned us about

[revelarts]

"Let’s take a look at some of the recent NSA related stories that have come out in recent weeks and months.

NSA Gathers Data On Social Connections Of U.S. Citizens
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/nsa-examines-social-networks-of-us-citizens.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

NSA Disguised Itself As Google To Spy Say Reports
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57602701-38/nsa-disguised-itself-as-google-to-spy-say-reports/

NSA Spied On Brazilian and Mexican Presidents
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57600928/report-nsa-spied-on-brazilian-mexican-presidents/

NSA Is Also Grabbing Millions Of Credit Card Records
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130916/06383524529/nsa-is-also-grabbing-millions-credit-card-records.shtml

Protesting NSA Spying Brazil’s Leader Postpones White House Visit
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57603351/protesting-nsa-spying-brazils-leader-postpones-white-house-visit/

The NSA Is Reading All The Stuff You Think You Have Encrypted
http://gawker.com/the-nsa-is-reading-all-the-stuff-you-think-youve-encr-1259063830

NSA Shares Raw Intelligence Including Americans’ Data With Israel
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

NSA Is Wired Into Top Internet Companies’ Servers, Including Google and Facebook
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-tapped-internet-servers/

]NSA Metadata Collection Puts Journalists' Sources at Risk
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/09/30-0


NSA Has Built Its Own, Secret, Warrantless, Shadow Social Network, And You've Already Joined It
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130928/22450824685/nsa-has-built-its-own-secret-warrantless-shadow-social-network-youve-already-joined-it.shtml

NSA has, as the paranoids warned us, been studying the social ties of Americans through our data
http://boingboing.net/2013/09/28/nsa-is-as-the-paranoids-warne.html

These are just a small number of the many NSA related stories that have come out since the Snowden leaks. Much of what is discussed in these articles are just further details surrounding what was already known about the NSA’s spying capabilities. This new information simply confirms much of what was already public knowledge."



Is any democrat or republican really thinking of dealing with crap?
Really?
let not get started on the TSA spreading it wings

We are in another world. This is not the America i want to wave the flag for.
Cry to me about what a great country the U.S. is compared to Timbuktu and China all you want.
this is H3llish Orwellian BS. and the the status quo looks like they are ready to "live with it " because there nothing better and to "keep us safe."

I'm just saying the waters boiling my fellow frogs.
Waving the flag and voting establishment republican won't change the temp. It'll just get hotter till your kids and grandkids are complete wards of the state.

[Arbo]

I think this goes back further, to George Washington (and other founders) warning us of the danger of political parties. How parties become self sustaining monsters that are only concerned with their own power, and will eventually subvert the people and the ruling documents to keep their power going.

Makes sense as it is both of the 'big two' that have lead us to this point.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

"Let’s take a look at some of the recent NSA related stories that have come out in recent weeks and months.

NSA Gathers Data On Social Connections Of U.S. Citizens
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/nsa-examines-social-networks-of-us-citizens.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

NSA Disguised Itself As Google To Spy Say Reports
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57602701-38/nsa-disguised-itself-as-google-to-spy-say-reports/

NSA Spied On Brazilian and Mexican Presidents
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57600928/report-nsa-spied-on-brazilian-mexican-presidents/

NSA Is Also Grabbing Millions Of Credit Card Records
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130916/06383524529/nsa-is-also-grabbing-millions-credit-card-records.shtml

Protesting NSA Spying Brazil’s Leader Postpones White House Visit
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57603351/protesting-nsa-spying-brazils-leader-postpones-white-house-visit/

The NSA Is Reading All The Stuff You Think You Have Encrypted
http://gawker.com/the-nsa-is-reading-all-the-stuff-you-think-youve-encr-1259063830

NSA Shares Raw Intelligence Including Americans’ Data With Israel
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

NSA Is Wired Into Top Internet Companies’ Servers, Including Google and Facebook
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-tapped-internet-servers/

]NSA Metadata Collection Puts Journalists' Sources at Risk
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/09/30-0


NSA Has Built Its Own, Secret, Warrantless, Shadow Social Network, And You've Already Joined It
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130928/22450824685/nsa-has-built-its-own-secret-warrantless-shadow-social-network-youve-already-joined-it.shtml

NSA has, as the paranoids warned us, been studying the social ties of Americans through our data
http://boingboing.net/2013/09/28/nsa-is-as-the-paranoids-warne.html

These are just a small number of the many NSA related stories that have come out since the Snowden leaks. Much of what is discussed in these articles are just further details surrounding what was already known about the NSA’s spying capabilities. This new information simply confirms much of what was already public knowledge."



Is any democrat or republican really thinking of dealing with crap?
Really?
let not get started on the TSA spreading it wings

We are in another world. This is not the America i want to wave the flag for.
Cry to me about what a great country the U.S. is compared to Timbuktu and China all you want.
this is H3llish Orwellian BS. and the the status quo looks like they are ready to "live with it " because there nothing better and to "keep us safe."

I'm just saying the waters boiling my fellow frogs.
Waving the flag and voting establishment republican won't change the temp. It'll just get hotter till your kids and grandkids are complete wards of the state. Some of us got out of the pot long ago. Have been trying to wake up the others but its a long hard task because the overlords have little helpers busting their asses to ridicule us and convince those still in the pot just how warm and cozy it is in there.-Tyr

[Gaffer]

One thing that interests me, why do they always have to have some mention of Israel?

NSA Shares Raw Intelligence Including Americans’ Data With Israel. Is this somehow different than say sharing data with the UK? How do they know the data is being shared with anyone?

Lots of CT out there and some makes you wonder. But any time I find Israel buried in the mix I have to step back and reevaluate what I'm reading. Seems most CT's want to blame Israel for everything that goes on in the world. This OP is another example of that.

[revelarts]

One thing that interests me, why do they always have to have some mention of Israel?

NSA Shares Raw Intelligence Including Americans’ Data With Israel. Is this somehow different than say sharing data with the UK? How do they know the data is being shared with anyone?

Lots of CT out there and some makes you wonder. But any time I find Israel buried in the mix I have to step back and reevaluate what I'm reading. Seems most CT's want to blame Israel for everything that goes on in the world. This OP is another example of that.

sigh,
Well I for one am a supporter of Israel's sovereignty and boarders. frankly am willing to do more for them than most allies.
But i don't think we are to committed to any nation much beyond recognition and possibly real military alliance really.

But gaffer 1 story out of a list of 11+ makes it suspect? Should we never mention Israel as doing any wrong?As much as i run down to U.S. gov't do you think I'll give anyone else a past?

But, Brazil is mentioned twice in the above, Israel once.
If you look back at my post you'll see i've mentioned the UK and US have been sharing data for decades.
The laws that prohibited Each from spying on it's own citizens were circumvented by the respective intell agency requesting a wire tape from the opposite nation to spy on it's people. All legal like right?

why is mentioning Israel taboo here.
do you think the gov't should share with ANY nation blanket info on US citizen's?

Should we never mention Israel in the mix?

there's no doubt that there are some on the far left and in some far right (neo-nazi, stormfront) and some "CT" circles where "the JEWS".
get blamed for all the worlds problems/evils.

but if i start posting 1/10 as much negative crappolla about "the jews" ruining the world,
as some here have posted on "the Muslims" or "black people" killing us all and being bad news.
then maybe i'll take a look to see if i'm being unduly bias or somewhat Anti-Semitic.

[Arbo]

I would suggest if you fear the NSA and blame all of that on Obama that you pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8 of course. ;)

Rev, you are pretty much right on in your post.

I'll add if you are posting here or anywhere on the internet, you are 'in the pot'.