Obama Just Played His Big 'Trump Card' On The Debt Ceiling

[Jeff]

Obama is pulling all the punches to get what he wants, and threatening seniors with there livelihood is a pretty good scare , this guy has no feelings for Americans at all , all he wants to do is destroy this country , and no I have no link for that that is just my opinion.



Early Thursday morning, Potomac Research Group analyst Greg Valliere predicted that (http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-social-security-trump-card-2013-10) if the debt-ceiling deadline grew closer, President Barack Obama would play his "trump card" in the debate. He would remind seniors that if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling, seniors wouldn't get their Social Security checks. "GOP strategists like Karl Rove surely know that it's just a matter of time before President Obama throws a game-changer — warning senior citizens that their Social Security checks won't be mailed because of John Boehner," Valliere wrote in a note to clients.


http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-debt-ceiling-social-security-boehner-deadline-default-government-shutdown-2013-10

[DragonStryk72]

Obama is pulling all the punches to get what he wants, and threatening seniors with there livelihood is a pretty good scare , this guy has no feelings for Americans at all , all he wants to do is destroy this country , and no I have no link for that that is just my opinion.




http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-debt-ceiling-social-security-boehner-deadline-default-government-shutdown-2013-10

Wait, but SS has to be funded, whether there's a budget or not, so how does that hold? Seriously, SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are amongst the mandatory spending point that exist, so it isn't even an option to not fund them.

[Larrymc]

Obama is pulling all the punches to get what he wants, and threatening seniors with there livelihood is a pretty good scare , this guy has no feelings for Americans at all , all he wants to do is destroy this country , and no I have no link for that that is just my opinion.




http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-debt-ceiling-social-security-boehner-deadline-default-government-shutdown-2013-10No link required, I agree 100%

[aboutime]

No link required, I agree 100%


Larrymc. You don't need a link. I saw the same threat, and heard it on local news as well.

Anyone who insists you provide a link. Is too lazy to search on their own, and it ruins their plans to make you look like them,...JACKASS'S.

[Trigg]

People are worried about this though. I had a woman today ask if her study was going to be covered since the government was on shut down.

People don't understand how it will or will not affect them.

[Arbo]

People are worried about this though. I had a woman today ask if her study was going to be covered since the government was on shut down.

People don't understand how it will or will not affect them.

Thats why those who do understand it need to educate the uninformed.

[Gaffer]

I'm on social security and I know the dark one can't do a damn thing.

The govt shut down and I didn't feel a thing.

But you can bet he's doing everything he can to hurt as many people as he can, and he does give a shit.

[Little-Acorn]

Early Thursday morning, Potomac Research Group analyst Greg Valliere predicted that if the debt-ceiling deadline grew closer, President Barack Obama would play his "trump card" in the debate. He would remind seniors that if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling, seniors wouldn't get their Social Security checks.

How many of them replied, "Hey, I was told for years that all those payments I made into Social Security, went into an account with my name on them, and would be there for me after I retired. Where are they? I was told that Social Security is much safer than a free-market retirement fund, because a fund could be wiped out by a bankruptcy or soething, but the U.S. Government's Social Security Trust Fund cannot."

Could the Big Day be coming, where the Obama admin finally admits that the story about Social Security being safer than the private market... is a lie?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Obama is pulling all the punches to get what he wants, and threatening seniors with there livelihood is a pretty good scare , this guy has no feelings for Americans at all , all he wants to do is destroy this country , and no I have no link for that that is just my opinion.




http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-debt-ceiling-social-security-boehner-deadline-default-government-shutdown-2013-10 AND A DAMN FINE AND WELL REASONED OPINION IT IS TOO!---:beer: :clap: :beer: --Tyr

[Kathianne]

I'm on social security and I know the dark one can't do a damn thing.

The govt shut down and I didn't feel a thing.

But you can bet he's doing everything he can to hurt as many people as he can, and he does give a shit.

I found the following from similar 'crisis' in 2011:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/13/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-social-security-and-other-federa/


Social Security and other federal checks may not go out on Aug. 3 if the debt ceiling is not increased. Barack Obama (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/) on Tuesday, July 12th, 2011 in an interview with CBS News
<!--this makes sure the truth-o-meter content doesn't wrap around the mugshot.--> Barack Obama said Social Security and other federal checks may not go out on Aug. 3 if the debt ceiling is not increased
President Barack Obama and Congress are in intense discussions on raising the debt ceiling -- the legal limit on how much money the government can borrow. But the negotiations aren't going so well, leaving observers -- and some participants -- to consider whether there are Plan B's, Plan C's and Plan D's if the negotiators can't reach an agreement in time.


After hitting the debt ceiling earlier this year, the U.S. Treasury Department juggled accounts as a temporary measure that bought time for further negotiations. But officials now expect the debt limit to be reached on Aug. 2, 2011.


While most if not all federal accounts are affected in some way by the debt limit debate, the most urgent items for many ordinary Americans are direct transfer payments, most notably Social Security and veterans' benefits.
Obama was asked about this in a July 12, 2011, interview with CBS News anchor Scott Pelley. Here's their exchange:


Pelley: "Can you tell the folks at home that, no matter what happens, the Social Security checks are going to go out on August the 3rd? There are about $20 billion worth of Social Security checks that have to go out the day after the government is supposedly going to go into default."
Obama: "Well, this is not just a matter of Social Security checks. These are veterans' checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out each month."
Pelley: "Can you guarantee, as president, that those checks will go out on August the 3rd?"
Obama: "I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it."
We heard from a lot of readers who wanted us to check whether that statement was factually accurate or if Obama was using scare tactics.


Back in February, we examined (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/24/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-if-theres-government-shutdown-so/) a similar statement by Obama -- that if there's a government shutdown, "people don't get their Social Security checks." We rated that Barely True.


Social Security is a mandatory program supported by a trust fund, so Social Security benefits don't have to be formally approved by Congress every year. However, Social Security Administration employees are paid through appropriated funds. The real question about a government shutdown was whether those employees would be kept from going to work and if so, whether the checks would sit idle rather than arriving in mailboxes nationwide. The rules that cover government shutdowns provide some leeway for federal workers to carry out core Social Security functions. This flexibility allowed checks to go out during a 1995 shutdown, even as less-urgent agency functions lagged.


However, the two scenarios -- a government shutdown caused by the absence of funding approved by Congress and a debt ceiling impasse that prevents new borrowing -- are different. So the consequences of one do not necessarily match the consequences of the other.


The Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan research arm of Congress, put it this way (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41633.pdf): "Failing to raise the debt ceiling would not bring the government to a screeching halt the way that not passing appropriations bills would. Employees would not be sent home, and checks would continue to be issued. If the Treasury was low on cash, however, there could be delays in honoring checks and disruptions in the normal flow of government services."


This is because the government receives both cash, including tax revenue, and bills at irregular intervals. So it doesn't always have enough cash on hand to pay all its debts at any given moment. (Families and businesses will recognize this as the always-dreaded "cash flow problem.")


The Treasury Department has argued that failure to raise the debt limit actually would have more dramatic consequences than a government shutdown. "If Congress fails to increase the debt limit, the government would have to stop, limit, or delay payments on a broad range of legal obligations, including Social Security and Medicare benefits, military salaries, interest on the national debt, tax refunds, and many other commitments," the department said in a statement.


How broad would the impact be? The Bipartisan Policy Center -- a Washington, D.C.-based think tank with a board that includes former politicians from both parties -- conducted an analysis of what the government's fiscal situation would be if a deal on the debt ceiling is not reached.


When the center analyzed the government's inflows and outflows for the rest of August 2011, it found $172.4 billion in cash coming in, to offset required payments of $306.7 billion. That works out to a deficit of $134.3 billion.


With that amount of income to work with, the government -- if it could prioritize payments, and we'll say more on that later -- could pay the monthly costs of Medicare and Medicaid ($50 billion), Social Security ($49.2 billion), Pentagon vendors ($31.7 billion), interest on the debt ($29 billion), and unemployment benefits ($12.8 billion). Those categories total $172.7 billion.


But doing so would mean delaying other payments -- for instance, Pell grants and other educational programs ($20.2 billion), salaries and benefits for federal employees ($14.2 billion), welfare and food programs ($9.3 billion), health and human services grants ($8.1 billion), housing assistance ($6.7 billion), and many other programs, including military active duty pay ($2.9 billion), veterans affairs program ($2.9 billion), Department of Justice funding that includes the FBI and federal courts ($1.4 billion) and IRS refunds ($3.9 billion).


If the government could prioritize payments to creditors it deemed most important -- bondholders, say, or Social Security beneficiaries -- it could be a viable stopgap, at least for the favored creditors. But does the government have the power to prioritize whom it pays?


The answer is somewhat in dispute. Here's how CRS describes it:


"Some have argued that prioritization of payments can be used by Treasury to avoid a default on federal obligations by paying interest on outstanding debt before other obligations," CRS wrote in a study published earlier this year. "Treasury officials have maintained that the department lacks formal legal authority to establish priorities to pay obligations, asserting, in effect, that each law obligating funds and authorizing expenditures stands on an equal footing. In other words, Treasury would have to make payments on obligations as they come due."


But CRS added that this view contrasts with one expressed by the Government Accountability Office in 1985 (when the office, the auditing arm of Congress, was known as the General Accounting Office). The GAO found "no requirement" (http://redbook.gao.gov/14/fl0065142.php) that Treasury pay its bills in a first-in, first-out fashion. "Treasury is free to liquidate obligations in any order it finds will best serve the interests of the United States," the GAO concluded.


Even if the government has the authority to prioritize payments such as Social Security checks, doing so would still entail some downsides, and some of these might be considered politically or practically untenable.


Doing so merely kicks certain payments down the road, where they may accrue additional interest charges, worsening an already difficult fiscal climate. "A backlog of unpaid bills would continue to grow until the government collects more revenues or other sources of cash than its outlays," CRS wrote. "In some cases, delaying federal payments incurs interest penalties under some statutes such as the Prompt Payment Act, which directs the government to pay interest penalties to contractors if it does not pay them by the required payment date, and the Internal Revenue Code, which requires the government to pay interest penalties if tax refunds are delayed beyond a certain date."


Even if payments to bondholders were prioritized, the bond market may still be spooked by the delays in other federal payments, risking harm to the nation's creditworthiness. "If the federal government were to prioritize payments on debt obligations above other obligations, it is not clear whether financial markets would find this distinction to be significant when deciding whether and how to invest in federal government Treasury securities," CRS wrote. CRS added, "if creditors lost this confidence, the federal government’s interest costs would likely increase substantially, and there would likely be broader disruptions to financial markets."


Delaying certain payments, even while making others, could ripple through the economy and drag down already weak economic growth. "Removing a portion of government spending from the economy would leave behind significant economic effects and would have an effect on" gross domestic product, CRS wrote.


There are also some specific technical challenges for shifting funding into and out of the Social Security Trust Fund, which our friends at the Washington Post Fact-Checker column looked into here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/can-president-obama-keep-paying-social-security-benefits-even-if-the-debt-ceiling-is-reached/2011/07/12/gIQA9myRBI_blog.html#pagebreak).


Most of the experts we interviewed agreed that the federal government, if push came to shove, could probably find a way to prioritize Social Security or other payments, though none expressed absolute certainty. However, most of the experts also acknowledged practical challenges of using such tactics.


While he thinks the GAO's green light for payment prioritization carries significant weight, Eugene Steuerle of the Urban Institute added that "with so much being borrowed, it is hard simply to pick on a few programs" to continue in the face of a debt ceiling impasse.


Ronald M. Levin, a professor at the Washington University School of Law said, "I interpret the president to be saying, 'Stopping Social Security checks would be hugely costly, but other curtailments would also be hugely costly. ... Something will have to give, and I cannot responsibly guarantee that it won’t be Social Security.' That is not quite what he said, but to my mind it’s close."


Where does this leave us? The critics likely have a point when they say Obama is playing up the risk to the most sympathetic potential victims -- Social Security recipients, 23 percent of whom live in households that depend on the retirement system for 90 percent or more of their income. While it's not a certainty that the Obama administration could prioritize cutting checks to seniors, there's a reasonable shot that the administration could do it.


On the other hand, doing so would likely cause a lot of collateral damage to other American creditors, federal workers, students, Pentagon vendors and countless others -- and could also hamper the broader economy at a particularly sensitive time. The president is probably justified in saying that the possibility of an un-raised debt ceiling jeopardizes Social Security checks -- after all, it hasn't happened before, so no one knows for sure. But we also think the president probably has tools at his disposal to avoid the worst-case scenario for seniors that he expresses concern about. Acknowledging that there are a lot of uncertainties, we rate his statement Half True.

[Arbo]

I found the following from similar 'crisis' in 2011:

Of course, they will play this card whenever they get the chance. Doesn't matter they are full of crap. Unfortunately it appears a large portion of citizens believe their BS.

[DragonStryk72]

Another thing I don't quite get. They already collected money off of us, but act like there's no money "in the coffers" to pay out SS and such?

[Kathianne]

Another thing I don't quite get. They already collected money off of us, but act like there's no money "in the coffers" to pay out SS and such?

You thought there was a lock box? those were the days.

[Larrymc]

Another thing I don't quite get. They already collected money off of us, but act like there's no money "in the coffers" to pay out SS and such?Sense we're in debt to other country's to the tune of trillions, did your really think, Politicians protected the peoples money, Obama is by for the worst, but not by for the only crook in Washington.

[aboutime]

This 5639 is what we would all find in that magic AL GORE "LOCK BOX".

And, if you dig really, really deep in that box. ALL you would find from the CONGRESS, and past Presidents is......

This.....5640, without any dates, or signatures.