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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
11-02-2013, 11:57 AM
http://ringthebellsoffreedom.com/Quotes/gwashingtoncontent.htm

George Washington (1732-1799)

Commander-in-Chief in the Revolutionary War, President of the Continental Congress, first President of the United States of America, known as “The Father of His country,” eulogized by Henry Lee as, “First in War, first in peace, first in the hearts of his countryman.”

“No country upon Earth ever had it more in its power to attain these blessings…Much to be regretted indeed would it be, were to neglect the means and depart from the road which Providence has pointed us to, so plainly; I cannot believe it will ever come to pass. The Great Governor of the Universe has led us too long and too far…to forsake us in the midst of it…We may now and then, get bewildered; but I hope and trust that there is good sense and virtue enough left to recover the right path.”

In Washington’s letter to General Benjamin Lincoln, his deputy in the War, who accepted British General Cornwallis’ sword at his surrender.

“It shall still be my endeavor to manifest, by overt acts, the purity of my inclination for promoting the happiness of mankind, as well as the sincerity of my desires to contribute whatever may be in my power towards the preservation of the civil and religious liberties of the American people.”

In his letter to the Methodist Episcopal Bishop of New York, 1789

“I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.”

In his letter written to John Armstrong, 1792

“While just government protects all in their religious rights, true religion affords to government its surest support.”

In his letter to the Synod of the Dutch Reformed Churches in North America

“Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

“Purity of morals is the only sure foundation of public happiness in any country.”

The Writings of George Washington, October 21, 1778

“The federal government …can never be in danger of degenerating…so long as there shall remain any virtue in the body of the people.”

Writings, February 7, 1778

“Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society.”

Writings, March 3, 1797

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morals are indispensable supports…Let it simply be asked, ‘Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?’ And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar stature, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
Read more at-- http://ringthebellsoffreedom.com/Quotes/gwashingtoncontent.htm When we allow the atheists, the liberals, the socialists and the democrats to convince us to move away from God and not use moral principles in choosing our leaders we have set ourselves up for a great calamity. And that's exactly what we are about to face.... A man's principles have to come from somewhere and if it's from socialism rather than religion its doomed to failure and murder on a massive scale IMHO. History, recent history gives very clear examples of this by studying the murder of tens of millions by Stalin, Mao . The dem party truly represents socialism and by their ignorance and treason have been successful in bringing us to this very tragic and fateful day IMHO. -Tyr

Missileman
11-02-2013, 02:10 PM
When we allow the atheists, the liberals, the socialists and the democrats to convince us to move away from God and not use moral principles in choosing our leaders we have set ourselves up for a great calamity. And that's exactly what we are about to face.... A man's principles have to come from somewhere and if it's from socialism rather than religion its doomed to failure and murder on a massive scale IMHO. History, recent history gives very clear examples of this by studying the murder of tens of millions by Stalin, Mao . The dem party truly represents socialism and by their ignorance and treason have been successful in bringing us to this very tragic and fateful day IMHO. -Tyr

Dude! Muslim morality is born of religion.

Arbo
11-02-2013, 02:21 PM
When we allow the atheists, the liberals, the socialists and the democrats to convince us to move away from God and not use moral principles in choosing our leaders we have set ourselves up for a great calamity. And that's exactly what we are about to face.... A man's principles have to come from somewhere and if it's from socialism rather than religion its doomed to failure and murder on a massive scale IMHO. History, recent history gives very clear examples of this by studying the murder of tens of millions by Stalin, Mao . The dem party truly represents socialism and by their ignorance and treason have been successful in bringing us to this very tragic and fateful day IMHO. -Tyr

Again with this logical fallacy that there MUST be religion for mankind to be moral. Utter bullshit, just as it is every time you bring it up.

It is pretty funny you use Washington as an 'example'. Do you really know much about his actions during his lifetime? Do you realize he lead an attack that murdered loads of people and started the french/indian war? That during his run as commander in chief during the revolution he, at times, was vicious to prisoners? Both parties only care about their own power, if you think 'your' party gives a shit about you, you are delusional.

Arbo
11-02-2013, 02:21 PM
Dude! Muslim morality is born of religion.

Don't go confusing the man with reality.

gabosaurus
11-02-2013, 03:10 PM
Interesting that Washington, a man with many mistresses, would talk about morality. :cool:

Tyr, what makes you believe that you have better morals than others?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
11-02-2013, 03:16 PM
Dude! Muslim morality is born of religion. Quite evident that Washington was talking about the Christian religion . So therefore I USED EXAMPLES OF HIS TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINT. Its not my business what you base your principles on but the greater part of the history of this nation the majority of its citizens have based theirs on Judeo-Christian ethics and teachings. I did not utter a word about basing ethical principles on any part of Islam. In fact , I have repeatedly at this forum spoke up about how it has no true ethical principles and only seeks absolute control in order to force all mankind into its madness. -Tyr

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
11-02-2013, 03:25 PM
Interesting that Washington, a man with many mistresses, would talk about morality. :cool:

Tyr, what makes you believe that you have better morals than others? Read this again and point out exactly where I stated I am superior to others.


When we allow the atheists, the liberals, the socialists and the democrats to convince us to move away from God and not use moral principles in choosing our leaders we have set ourselves up for a great calamity. And that's exactly what we are about to face.... A man's principles have to come from somewhere and if it's from socialism rather than religion its doomed to failure and murder on a massive scale IMHO. History, recent history gives very clear examples of this by studying the murder of tens of millions by Stalin, Mao . The dem party truly represents socialism and by their ignorance and treason have been successful in bringing us to this very tragic and fateful day IMHO. -Tyr Your attempting to make this about me is not a true or even a fair counter but hey I'm used to it.. Feel free to counter by citing other ways, methods and types of principles and how they apply in your life and would be better for others. I haven't a problem with that . Although I am likely to not agree based upon my previous readings of your posted views here. Care to cite why voting for candidates based upon which one is more virtuous is a mistake go right ahead and do so. I merely put forth the view we need to get back to seeking the more honest and honorable candidates to vote for. So far attacks upon religion have not addressed that view IMHO.. --Tyr

Arbo
11-02-2013, 03:39 PM
Read this again and point out exactly where I stated I am superior to others.

Gab, notice how he skipped right over any of the truths that show Washington to be less than moral? :laugh:

tailfins
11-02-2013, 04:45 PM
Gab, notice how he skipped right over any of the truths that show Washington to be less than moral? :laugh:

As someone that hates living by perception, I'll bite. We then need to ask ourselves: What makes the USA more livable than Bolivia?

Missileman
11-02-2013, 05:12 PM
Quite evident that Washington was talking about the Christian religion . So therefore I USED EXAMPLES OF HIS TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINT. Its not my business what you base your principles on but the greater part of the history of this nation the majority of its citizens have based theirs on Judeo-Christian ethics and teachings. I did not utter a word about basing ethical principles on any part of Islam. In fact , I have repeatedly at this forum spoke up about how it has no true ethical principles and only seeks absolute control in order to force all mankind into its madness. -Tyr

If you had written "rather than Christianity", I wouldn't have even replied. And you should judge people based on their actions, not on their supposed adherence to the same religion as you.

Missileman
11-02-2013, 05:16 PM
Care to cite why voting for candidates based upon which one is more virtuous is a mistake go right ahead and do so. I merely put forth the view we need to get back to seeking the more honest and honorable candidates to vote for. So far attacks upon religion have not addressed that view IMHO.. --Tyr

I would submit that almost without fail, politicians are neither virtuous nor moral nor ethical.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
11-02-2013, 07:28 PM
I would submit that almost without fail, politicians are neither virtuous nor moral nor ethical. AHHH BUT SOME ARE FAR MORE CLOSER TO THE DEVIL THAN OTHERS. So a judgment made on how far gone they are is called for. Some principled decision making would have to go into decided which are far worse and which are much less friendly with the devil. ;)--Tyr

Arbo
11-02-2013, 08:57 PM
AHHH BUT SOME ARE FAR MORE CLOSER TO THE DEVIL THAN OTHERS. So a judgment made on how far gone they are is called for. Some principled decision making would have to go into decided which are far worse and which are much less friendly with the devil. ;)--Tyr

A politician leading the country down the wrong path is a politician leading the country down the wrong path. The speed of the trip is irrelevant, except to blind partisans.