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Jeff
11-04-2013, 06:49 AM
Just one more push against our military , I have never served but I have the up most respect for anyone that ever has so personally I feel this flag was like a badge of honor , to show what you have earned and who you are .






The Navy Jack is the flag flown by United States Naval Vessels. It's motto of "Don't Tread on Me" is emblazoned on a Red and White Striped background with a rattlesnake stretched across it. The flag has a long and revered history in America's Navy spanning back to the time of our country's fight for Independence. However, Navy SEAL commanders are now banning the historical symbol. The question is, who is behind the ban?




http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/11/navy-seals-ordered-wear-navy-jack-dont-tread-patch-uniforms-due-association-radical-groups/

Gaffer
11-04-2013, 08:46 AM
Displays of patriotism will not be tolerated in a communist regime.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
11-04-2013, 08:53 AM
Displays of patriotism will not be tolerated in a communist regime. Start by destroying the pride and tradition then later after demoralizing deep enough its far easier to complete the destruction. All this since the bamtraitor took over!! Its like taking a sword and killing those you don't like with it. Obama took the office now he is immune so his killing of that which makes this nation great is protected because he as President has the greatest protection in the ffing world! We protect the very guy destroying the nation!! Our enemies greatest dream was to ever get their guy into that powerful office. Now they have!!!!!!!!! -Tyr

aboutime
11-04-2013, 04:51 PM
Just another, of the many, tiny steps the Obama administration...in behalf of Political Correctness, Democrat INtolerance, and the pledge to the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD..all based on Hatred for the TEA PARTY.

Guess whoever thought of this from the Pentagon...was just being a GOOD, IGNORANT, JACKASS, following the PRETENDER-IN-CHIEF, and the Phony SecDEF.

The same people who FORBID A Catholic CHAPLAIN in the U.S. Navy, from working during the Govt. Shutdown????

As a retired SAILOR. I do wonder how many people out there know.

The UNION JACK...is flown, every day, on EVERY Navy ship in Port on the BOW????
http://icansayit.com/images/navy-jack.jpg

Arbo
11-04-2013, 05:01 PM
The flag depicted as the 'union jack' in the above is not the traditional 'jack'. The traditional jack is a blue flag with 50 stars in it. The number of stars has increased as the number of states increased.

The flag shown above was replaced in 1777 with only two exceptions… for the bicentennial and one is flown off whichever Navy ship is the oldest still in use Navy ship.

Anyone that was in the navy should have known this.

Jeff
11-04-2013, 05:46 PM
The flag depicted as the 'union jack' in the above is not the traditional 'jack'. The traditional jack is a blue flag with 50 stars in it. The number of stars has increased as the number of states increased.

The flag shown above was replaced in 1777 with only two exceptions… for the bicentennial and one is flown off whichever Navy ship is the oldest still in use Navy ship.

Anyone that was in the navy should have known this.

Dang that is messed up, it seems the guy in the video should of known that

Arbo
11-04-2013, 05:58 PM
Dang that is messed up, it seems the guy in the video should of known that

I am not fully correct on my statement, it appears that in 2002 they started flying it on every ship (per this (http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=3463)). Was unaware of that, but was on the last leg of my shore duty at that point. I never saw a sub flying one, ever.

aboutime
11-04-2013, 07:28 PM
Dang that is messed up, it seems the guy in the video should of known that


Jeff. The original Navy UNION JACK was a tradition until several years ago. The navy changed from the BLUE BACKGROUND, and STARS. Replacing it with today's Union Jack shown in my Avatar.

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Gaffer
11-04-2013, 07:32 PM
The above flag is the Navy Jack. The Union Jack is the British flag. And old army guy needs to tell you Navy types this. Sheesh.

Arbo
11-04-2013, 07:41 PM
The above flag is the Navy Jack. The Union Jack is the British flag. And old army guy needs to tell you Navy types this. Sheesh.

Hence why I ''ed union jack… most people, even some navy guys, always get that wrong. We always just referred to it as the 'jack'.

aboutime
11-04-2013, 08:10 PM
The above flag is the Navy Jack. The Union Jack is the British flag. And old army guy needs to tell you Navy types this. Sheesh.


Gaffer. AGREED. However. It really just depended on who you might have been talking to. Calling it the Jack, or the Union Jack was actually synonymous at 0800 in the morning, and at SUNSET when COLORS (Navy term) took place. Raising, and lowering of the ENSIGN (stars and stripes) on the fantail, and the JACK on the Focsle..FORCASTLE on ships in port.
Don't understand why there always needs to be an argument over this stuff.
EVERYBODY KNOWS....EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS RIGHT.

jafar00
11-05-2013, 12:09 AM
The flag depicted as the 'union jack' in the above is not the traditional 'jack'. The traditional jack is a blue flag with 50 stars in it. The number of stars has increased as the number of states increased.

The flag shown above was replaced in 1777 with only two exceptions… for the bicentennial and one is flown off whichever Navy ship is the oldest still in use Navy ship.

Anyone that was in the navy should have known this.

Source: An obscure tabloid blog. What did you expect?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
11-05-2013, 07:45 AM
Source: An obscure tabloid blog. What did you expect?
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/11/naval-seals-ordered-not-to-wear-or-display-navy-jack-flag-dont-tread-on-me.html

the fury and intensity only a former Navy SEAL can exert.) Why would our leaders sell out our heritage? Why would they rob present and future sailors of our battle cry?


Navy Jack Patch
Navy Jack Patch
According to Higbie, his friend asked his leadership about the change and the response was "The Jack is too closely associated with radical groups." Presumably this would be us Tea Party types. However, our founding fathers were considered pretty radical, in fact traitors, for desiring their independence from Great Britain. I suppose that is good company to be in.
This begs the question of who is defining "radical groups." I can tell you that Mohamed Elibiary is one that advises the Department of Homeland Security on terrorism and we know that efforts have been made in that department, as well as other agencies in the federal government to purge Islam from the roster of radical groups and terrorism. They have even sought to give preferential treatment to Islamic supremacists. However, we've also noticed an alarming mention of Christians, Tea Party advocates, Constitutionalists, liberty minded people and conservatives being listed as radicals. Noticably, missing are liberals, socialists, communists, Marxists and the like.

When Higbie's friend asked what he should do about the order, he responded, "You took an oath to defend this country from enemies foreign and domestic. Will you put your career before country? Will you put your career before your sacred oath?"

As for Higbie, he states, "I can tell you though that an enemy — foreign or domestic — that tries to take the Navy Jack from my uniform could only do so by ripping the patriotic patch from the uniform of my cold, dead body."

I'm in agreement with Higbie, though I will correct something that he said. The oath is to defend the Constitution, not the country.

Higbie is not the only one to speak out about this. Chris Hagerman at NavySeals.com also writes on the subject:


I have heard some defend this action stating that it is due to trying to maintain uniformity between the operators. We all know that is complete garbage. As members of special operations, we have had the ability to wear custom uniforms that often did not always match our teammates. We also could wear our own custom patches. These include state flag patches, unit or platoon patches, or just plain motivational patches. From wearing blue jeans in Vietnam and non-military hunting camouflage patterns currently, to wearing the Punisher, Crusader, or Navy Jack on our uniforms or body armor, special operations personnel bring the fight to the enemy using battle symbols we feel strongly about.


Whether it be a symbol of our heritage or a sign to strike fear into our enemies, it is clear to me that someone sitting behind a desk needs to keep their politics or weaknesses away from the Teams and all other special operations personnel. How about that? Is that a better link Jafar? -Tyr

aboutime
11-05-2013, 03:40 PM
How about that? Is that a better link Jafar? -Tyr



Tyr. Most all of this stuff seems always to lead back to the old line...
"My dog's bigger than your dog. Na, na, na, na, na na!"

Who really cares? Other than the Navy Seal's, and other Active, Reserve, or Retired Navy Veterans who are all watching...OUR MILITARY BE DESTROYED. All traditions are being erased because some poor little whiner claims he/she was insulted, offended, or shown to be an IDIOT.