This guy has it nailed!!!!!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/howard-rotberg/what-if-islamists-took-control-of-the-white-house/ What If Islamists Took Control of the White House?

November 25, 2013 By Howard Rotberg Dear me, I worry so much about the future of our freedoms in the West, as so many begin to “submit” to the values and demands of radical Islam, or what is called “Islamism.”

The other day, I began to worry what would happen if the Islamists took over the American government and placed one of their own in the White House.




I started to think about the agenda that an Islamist president would fulfill. Here are some of my thoughts:

[1] He would make it clear that the American Constitution and the history of American freedoms were no more exemplary than the history of Islam. He would argue that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, he would say, they overlap and share common principles. He would be clear in his moral equivalence between America and the totalitarian Islamic regimes. He might go so far as to say the “common principles” were justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings. And if he got away with comparing the American justice system and the tolerance of most Americans with the totalitarian justice systems of the Islamic states and with comparing American tolerance to the intolerance of peoples who riot and kill if they think political cartoons are offensive, then he would go further: He would assure everyone that it is Islam that has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibility of religious tolerance and racial equality. If the American people were too stupid to know about the persecution of Christians and Jews in Muslim countries (including the often-ignored fact of nearly a million Jews being expelled from Arab countries in the ‘40s and ‘50s), then that would just make his task all the easier.

[2] He would as quickly as possible give out important awards, like the Medal of Freedom, to those complicit with the goals of radical Islam, who head NGOs and United Nations bodies that support the notion that the Israelis are the new Nazis and the Palestinians are the new Jews. And he would announce such awards on a date of symbolic significance to the Jews – Tisha B’Av, the historic day of mourning for the loss of the Jewish temples and the occurrence of other national tragedies, so that the Jews knew that he was putting them in their place, for the sooner they got the message, the better.

[3] He would make a quick symbolic snub to Eastern Europe so as to emphasize that the quid pro quo for Russian support of Islamists (outside the former U.S.S.R only, of course) would be the removal of defensive missiles from Poland. He would drive home the point by not informing the Poles very much ahead of the announcement and would make the announcement on September 17, 2009, which everyone in Central Europe knew was the 60th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland, followed by the annexation of eastern Poland to the USSR. This would be another important symbolic act to show how in the future the world would be divided between radical Islam, Russia and China.

[4] To further the goals of Radical Islam, the U.S. must be dramatically weakened from the inside, including its once strong and proud economy. He would have to create unheard of budget deficits. He would make a budget that spends more than any other in history, creates the largest deficits in history and imposes the largest tax increases in history. He would spend over a trillion dollars more each year than he took in, and would project a cumulative deficit within ten years of $14.29 trillion – more than the country’s GNP. That way, the U.S. would end up being owned by China and other foreign lenders and the American people would be so preoccupied with their economic woes, and his governments lies about the terms of a socialized medical system, there would be little regard paid to the increasing rate of Islamification of its culture and freedoms. Click to link to read all 15 points, I only provided the first few. After reading this if your eyes are not opened up to what is being done by the Obama admin then you are likely stone cold blind and will remain so all the days of your life IMHO.-Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

He might also seek to weaken Israel. Just sayin'.

[fj1200]

Cool. Start with premise, look for evidence.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Cool. Start with premise, look for evidence.

Article was just written I am fairly sure the evidence preceded the article. Can not look for evidence until one knows the crime/deed. The comparison is valid unless you can point to which ones he cited that are not valid. Of course you could proclaim it ALL to just be mere coincidence. :laugh: That may fly with those already inclined to be as blind as a bat or about as smart as a box of rocks.. IMHO.--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

He might also seek to weaken Israel. Just sayin'. No doubt that he does just that and no doubt that he has been hostile to Israel since his first days as President. Anybody not seeing that truth surely are blind. -Tyr

[fj1200]

Article was just written I am fairly sure the evidence preceded the article. Can not look for evidence until one knows the crime/deed. The comparison is valid unless you can point to which ones he cited that are not valid. Of course you could proclaim it ALL to just be mere coincidence. :laugh: That may fly with those already inclined to be as blind as a bat or about as smart as a box of rocks.. IMHO.--Tyr

Of course it's all, presumably, true; valid is a whole different standard. I could proclaim that he's a space alien softening up the world for the coming invasion of some nefarious body snatchers and use the same evidence. Nevertheless, if he had written the list 5 years ago then he might have something of import...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Of course it's all, presumably, true; valid is a whole different standard. I could proclaim that he's a space alien softening up the world for the coming invasion of some nefarious body snatchers and use the same evidence. Nevertheless, if he had written the list 5 years ago then he might have something of import... Thanks for that validation.. Because -- I made a list very similar 5 years ago on my old forum and was laughed at, ridiculed and called insane! Over the following years made over a dozen such more posts and all were ridiculed with me being called a nutcase by the usual dumbass suspects. It just took people five years to catch up to me. Fact... -Tyr

[fj1200]

Thanks for that validation.. Because -- I made a list very similar 5 years ago on my old forum and was laughed at, ridiculed and called insane! Over the following years made over a dozen such more posts and all were ridiculed with me being called a nutcase by the usual dumbass suspects. It just took people five years to catch up to me. Fact... -Tyr

Do tell. :)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Do tell. :) I already did. ;)

[fj1200]

I suppose I should have said do link. ;)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I suppose I should have said do link. ;) Well here is a start from early 2008. Had to wade thru about a thousand posts to get to this one. And at that forum searching is not easy like it is at this from(thanks to Jim). About 40 minutes searching to get up to this but if I can eventually find it I'll post it. But here is a good one I just found from April 2008.


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Post subject: My Belief is that a Major World War is Not More than Ten Years Away

Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 09:29 pm

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I am not saying this because I WANT a war, so don't call me a warmonger.
I believe my son, who is now 12 years old, is very likely to die in this war as a soldier somewhere in the Middle East or Asia, so I make this prediction with a very heavy heart, because I am already mourning the death of my son.

I believe it is unlikely that my son will live to have his own wife and children because so many boys of his generation will die in the war that I believe will come.





Blackrook you show a keen insight with those predictions. I have been stating about the same for over ten years now. One thing for sure China will not go against America until America is
A. Weaker
B. America has a weak president and
C. China decides what position Japan will take.
small d. exception could be if/when we overstretch our military. NOTE WAR WITH IRAN BEFORE IRAQ IS SETTLED.

MY SON IS 16 MONTHS OLD . HE WILL FIGHT IN A MAJOR WAR WITH CHINA OR
AGAINST SOME ISLAMIST UNITED FORCE BEFORE HE IS 21 .
A strong possibility but I hope to be ABSOLUTELY wrong!!
Regardless I will have him a expert shot before he is 12 years old.
I did same with my nephews Micheal and Chad ,both are above expert with guns. I taught them well. Chad is currently serving his second tour of duty in Iraq. He volunteered to go back. I was not too happy about his volunteering for seconds but he is his own man. A damn fine one at that!!--[usa][usa]-TZS



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[Abbey Marie]

I suppose I should have said do link. ;)

If Tyr says he did something, I believe him. My intuition and experience with him on this board tell me he is a man of his word.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If Tyr says he did something, I believe him. My intuition and experience with him on this board tell me he is a man of his word. Thanks Abbey. Found this in my continued search. Just had to share it as its more proof that I had the bamboy nailed over 5 years ago. From the same forum I once spent over 5 years posting at.


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Post subject: Today, Obama Says Iran is a grave threat

Unread postPosted: Wed May 21st, 2008 12:42 am



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wilmywood8455 wrote:


georgezepeda wrote:

You guys are totally taking this out of context. It's quite sad. I believe nobody from the left has replied because it really doesn't deserve a response. So I'll do the dirty work since I really don't care, and just want the facts presented truthfully and fairly. Which this post is clearly not doing. Obama said Iran in comparison to Russia in the 80's is a smaller threat. He never said that they weren't any threat at all. I mean honestly Iran is some small little country, our Army is massive compared to theirs. Unlike in the 80's USSR was a superpower just like us and they were a much bigger threat than Iran is. The truth is Iran is tiny compared to USSR in the 80's. Nobody would dispute that fact. Are they still a threat? Of course they are and Obama never said they weren't.


Nuance is wasted on Neo-cons, george, but thanks for giving it a shot.

PS..........evenin' Mr LoT........

Nuance my azz!!!!
The bamieboy did another flipflop. He keeps it up and he may end up rivaling Kerry as KING FLIPFLOPPER!-:D:D:D
Everytime bamieBOY speaks without reading prepared speeches he reveals just how ignorant and unpolished he really is!!
Of course his brainwashed fans and the "in the tank " media will cover for the BOY!
Do they all plan on holding his hand everyday if he becomes POTUS!???-[fallingdown][fallingdown]-TZS



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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

More insightful predictions from over 5 years ago..--Tyr
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Post subject: What do you see in Obama?

Unread postPosted: Tue May 13th, 2008 11:19 pm



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I see a scammer.
I see a leftist.
I see a liar
I see a black separatist.
I see a arrogant man.
I see a black man. No wait I see a white man. OK which is it?
It appears Obama gets be white ,black , muslim or Christian.
Whichever suits his purpose at the time!
You got to be a damn good con-artist to pull that one off!!!
What do the dems see?
They see a man that hates America and will change America into a socialist paradise. Funny thing is where can they point to any Socialist nation that is paradise on earth?
They love a politician that is far left and lies constantly(promises the moon).

Last but by no means least is I see a dangerous man with a HIDDEN agenda.
I can see all this because I am never in AWE of a leftist, liar, conman or politician.
Others put on thier blinders as soon as any azzhat strikes thier fancy.-[usa]-TZS






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[aboutime]

Click to link to read all 15 points, I only provided the first few. After reading this if your eyes are not opened up to what is being done by the Obama admin then you are likely stone cold blind and will remain so all the days of your life IMHO.-Tyr



Tyr, No surprise in this, or in anything he said. I do believe. Most all of us have been saying almost the exact, same things about the PHONY in the White House since long before he was elected the first time.
Nobody wanted to listen, nor would they admit such things were possible.
But today. When their POCKETBOOKS and Monthly stipend is threatened. They are all EARS.

The unfortunate aspect of everything that man wrote, and what we have all known for so long is.
The people who SHOULD hear it, read it, and understand it...WON'T...because they simply are not Able to Comprehend, or willing to Hear the Truth.
Thus...the eventual fall of the Nation we all love.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

more.-- :laugh: -tyr
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Post subject: Obama Camp Confirms Treasonous Actions on Iraq Trip

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Opinionated wrote:

I see it as being simply irrational that some people find the fact that Obama is popular to be a negative attribute.

Let me clue you into a small fact that you may have missed in your calculations. To win a Presidential election, you're required to garner a large number of votes. Being popular helps you garner votes. Ergo, and keep up with me on this, being popular is a net positive when it comes to winning an election.

Now, does the light go on for any of you?



Wrong. Most rational people have found Obama's image to be a TOTAL fraud.
AS he lost his lead he exposed more of his true self.. This finally opened many peoples eyes.
Remember this little one , the girl in high school giving free sex at the drop of
a hat to the boys is very popular!
Obama's popularity is based on lies, halftruths and media hype.
Mostly supported by media hype and media cover-up.

Now does the light go on for you ---yee 'ole bamieboy fan!??-[allamerican]-TZS






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This fun seeing how correct I was over 5 years ago!! -Tyr

[fj1200]

Well here is a start from early 2008. Had to wade thru about a thousand posts to get to this one. And at that forum searching is not easy like it is at this from(thanks to Jim). About 40 minutes searching to get up to this but if I can eventually find it I'll post it. But here is a good one I just found from April 2008.

That doesn't really show anything other than an as of yet unrealized prediction. If you had a list that included, for example, an assertion that the national debt would be $XX trillion higher than today because of x, y, and, z then that would be a realized prediction. As I said before his list is a premise in search of evidence.

[fj1200]

If Tyr says he did something, I believe him. My intuition and experience with him on this board tell me he is a man of his word.

I never doubted that he made posts. ;)

[fj1200]

This fun seeing how correct I was over 5 years ago!! -Tyr

Doesn't count, you say that about every lib Dem. :poke:

:laugh:

[aboutime]

Doesn't count, you say that about every lib Dem. :poke:

:laugh:



fj. Most of us have proven, many times here on DP. How you, and others have NEVER been able to DISPROVE the TRUTH.
Denial is not your best attribute.

[revelarts]

I'd be on the bandwagon here if i thought the next republican or democratic president was going to REVERSE any of what Obama has done on this front.

Obama is not much more corrupt in this area than the last 4 presidents. the freedoms and Christians principals the country's based on have been junked before Obama showed up. lip service to the constitution and Christianity is practically as bad as the outright denials.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'd be on the bandwagon here if i thought the next republican or democratic president was going to REVERSE any of what Obama has done on this front.

Obama is not much more corrupt in this area than the last 4 presidents. the freedoms and Christians principals the country's based on have been junked before Obama showed up. lip service to the constitution and Christianity is practically as bad as the outright denials. One must oppose evil regardless of who else should do so. One should oppose such corruption and treason regardless of who may or may not join later. Stand against it come hell or high water as I do. Worry about having company later. Some of us have already prepared as well as a man can for what is coming and we already made the decision what to do when the final straw is broken! I hope others read these words and understand that they are not idle, boastful or in error. They are rather a man already decided upon sacrificing his all should it be required to defend himself and his family. Trust me, in the future it is almost a certainty for it to be required! --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Doesn't count, you say that about every lib Dem. :poke:

:laugh: And I am right about every dem too. I'll give it another go when I return next week to find the actual list on that old forum. I have only a couple hundred pages of threads with about 60 threads per page and some of the threads are 20,40 or even a hundred pages long with 15 posts per page. Not easy to search like it is here. Additionally I face the fact that the sought post with my list may have been part of the lost data back in a forum revamping in 2008 and later another one in 2010 there. If I can not find it you can just call me a liar and go on about your business. You'd be wrong but I am sure it wouldn't be the first time for that, right? Are you going to send me a box of cookies if I do find it?- ;) --Tyr

[fj1200]

And I am right about every dem too.

Which would make your prediction about BO not so much a prediction about BO. :poke:


If I can not find it you can just call me a liar and go on about your business.

I wouldn't call you a liar it's just a matter of what is used to validate one's beliefs. The OP began with a premise, looked for evidence that supported that premise to the exclusion of other evidence that doesn't support the premise or that the evidence may support another premise entirely. It smacks of populism to me.

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Which would make your prediction about BO not so much a prediction about BO. :poke: Actually it was about BO in particular AND NOT A GENERAL CONDEMNATION SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS A DEM. Sure as a dem certain things are a given about him but he is unlike any other before him. --Tyr



I wouldn't call you a liar it's just a matter of what is used to validate one's beliefs. The OP began with a premise, looked for evidence that supported that premise to the exclusion of other evidence that doesn't support the premise or that the evidence may support another premise entirely. It smacks of populism to me. Well that's a nice but I'll still give it a try next week. May find it may not but certainly did post it and got tons of criticisms for doing so. -Tyr Heading off in a few hours for the drive to my daughter's home. Will continue either Sunday night or on Monday. --Tyr

[fj1200]

^Safe travels.