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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-07-2013, 01:02 PM
My votes goes to the M14! My new goal is to get one in fine condition. Those babies aren't cheap.. I want to get the old M14 with none of the new adaptations.--Tyr
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http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/m14-enhanced-battle-rifle/ Armstrong took the bold step of designing his own chassis stock, machined from aircraft-grade aluminum. Not only would this be more rigid than fiberglass, but it would include an aluminum bedding block and an assortment of Picatinny rails for optical and illumination accessories. The result was a true “drop-in” stock, requiring no bedding or special fitting. “This stock floats the gas system through a replacement operating rod guide screwed to the rigid stock fore-end and a simple spacer replacing the front band,” he said. He also modified the Sage buttstock’s cheek rest to give it 2 inches of vertical adjustment in 1/4-inch increments.

In addition to installing quad Picatinny rails around the fore-end, he attached a short-rail scope mount that replaced the M14’s stripper clip guide. The final additions were a more effective flash suppressor, three ambidextrous 1 1/4-inch sling slot locations, and a Harris Engineering S-LM Series S bipod. Patented to the U.S. Navy with Armstrong as its inventor, the chassis stock is now produced under license by Sage Int’l in Oscoda, Mich.

“Simply adding the chassis stock system cut the group size of a basic M14 in half without the need for glass-bedding,” he reports. Firing five-shot groups with M118 ammunition at 600 yards, Naval technicians at Crane recorded 2 to 2.5 minute-of-angle (m.o.a.) extreme spreads—meaning 12 to 18-inch groups. Standard M80 ball ammunition shot nearly as well.

The EBR & EMR
When the U.S. Army and Marine Corps later sought modernized M14s, Armstrong merely switched the Navy’s Mk. 14 Mod 0 rifle’s short barrel for a full-length 22-inch version to create the Army’s Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) and the Marine’s M39 Enhanced Marksman’s Rifle (EMR). These versions measure 38.5 inches overall, with the stocks collapsed, and 45 inches when fully extended.

Although 3 pounds heavier than the standard M14, the EBR and EMR compare favorably to America’s current 7.62 mm sniping platforms, such as the Army’s M24 and M110, and the Marine Corps’ M40A3. The Army is issuing two EBRs per infantry squad, while the Marines have placed the EMR at platoon-level.

The Army EBR is fitted with a Leupold 3.5–10X scope, and the USMC’s EMR optic is the Schmidt & Bender M8541 Scout Sniper Day Scope, the same scope used by Marine snipers. Thus equipped, these designated riflemen have the ability to engage enemy personnel to 800 meters.

Each service is now building its own rifles, with Navy Mk. 14 Model 0’s being produced at the Crane facility, while Army rifles are assembled at Rock Island Arsenal, Ill., and the USMC version at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Va.

Some 5,000 EBRs have been produced at Rock Island Arsenal, with funding for another 1,200. A further 2,000 Sage stocks have reportedly been sold directly to military units and individuals for conversion of M14s. Still more rifles issued to Marines and SEALs suggest that perhaps 10,000 of these modernized M14s are now in service.

Firing The EBR
Thanks to Fulton Armory of Savage, Md., I was able to test fire a platform nearly identical to the EBR. Available to civilian shooters, this semi-automatic-only rifle incorporates Fulton’s own M14 Receiver, installed on the same Sage Int’l chassis stock that David Armstrong designed.

Examining the rifle in my shop, I found that its military two-stage trigger broke cleanly at 3 pounds, 7.5 ounces—about perfect for me. For test-firing, I mounted a Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5–30X Tactical Scope, which was a simple task with the rifle’s Picatinny rails.

Ergonomics had concerned me because of the stock’s square edges. Nonetheless, I found its balance and heft surprisingly good with the center-of-balance at the magazine well. Having trained on the M14 in the 1960s, I already appreciated the reliability of its gas piston and operating rod system, and the action’s resistance to sand and carbon buildup. Of course, I experienced no stoppages or malfunctions of any kind.

Weighing 14 pounds with a scope, a bipod and a loaded 20-round magazine, this weight plus the straight-line stock resulted in a mild recoil “push,” making it very comfortable to fire. This also assisted target reacquisition for follow-up shots.
I have more than one AK47 and I rate the M14 my friend Tony has as far superior.--Tyr

Gaffer
12-07-2013, 10:49 PM
It's what we used when I went through basic. It's a great rifle. A heavy rifle. Run for two miles carrying that thing and you can really appreciate how heavy it is. ;)

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-08-2013, 12:27 AM
It's what we used when I went through basic. It's a great rifle. A heavy rifle. Run for two miles carrying that thing and you can really appreciate how heavy it is. ;) It will also reach way, way out there and make 'em feel the glory of the Lord too. :laugh:

aboutime
12-09-2013, 04:47 PM
It's what we used when I went through basic. It's a great rifle. A heavy rifle. Run for two miles carrying that thing and you can really appreciate how heavy it is. ;)


Gaffer. How bout 1964, May. Navy recruit training at Great Lakes, Ill. We were lucky enough to get a tired, old, beat-up, useless M-1....early WWII training weapon????:laugh: The squirrels on base would laugh at us, and make wisecracks about how USELESS....we were!:laugh:

Gaffer
12-09-2013, 06:42 PM
Gaffer. How bout 1964, May. Navy recruit training at Great Lakes, Ill. We were lucky enough to get a tired, old, beat-up, useless M-1....early WWII training weapon????:laugh: The squirrels on base would laugh at us, and make wisecracks about how USELESS....we were!:laugh:

I never used an M1, I do think they are cool and would love to have one. But I'm sure they sucked in training. You probably never saw one again in your career.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-09-2013, 07:17 PM
I never used an M1, I do think they are cool and would love to have one. But I'm sure they sucked in training. You probably never saw one again in your career. My M1 carbine shoots sweet as a dream. Id rather have the Garand but the M1 CARBINE WILL DO . THE GARAND WOULD REACH FURTHER OUT AND SMACK 'EM WITH THE DEVIL'S HAMMER. :laugh: BUT THE CARBINE IS A FINE LITTLE RIFLE. I have killed several deer with it after my brother bet me it was not a good deer rifle. Shoot 30 cal hunting ammo in it instead of the military hardball and it is great..-Tyr

aboutime
12-09-2013, 08:14 PM
I never used an M1, I do think they are cool and would love to have one. But I'm sure they sucked in training. You probably never saw one again in your career.

I think It weighed 11 pounds. And of course...it didn't work. You are right. Never saw, or used one ever again.

CSM
12-10-2013, 06:48 AM
I personally liked the M14. Great rifle and as has been stated, coould reach out and touch someone.

namvet
12-10-2013, 03:35 PM
I got to fire a BAR in basic. damned thing's recoil almost buried me

Voted4Reagan
12-10-2013, 03:47 PM
The M-14 and BAR were both 30-.06 caliber and when automatic was selected they were nearly impossible to control.

My vote? Best Battle Rifle in Us History?

M-1 Garand and M-1 Carbine.

Only drawback on the M-1 was the Ping when the clip ejected. Since it was only a semi-auto 30-06 it was easy to manage and the Carbine was a manageable .30 Caliber Ball Cartridge ideal for Airborne troops.

The Rifle that won WWII gets my vote

jimnyc
12-10-2013, 04:04 PM
The M-14 and BAR were both 30-.06 caliber and when automatic was selected they were nearly impossible to control.

My vote? Best Battle Rifle in Us History?

M-1 Garand and M-1 Carbine.

Only drawback on the M-1 was the Ping when the clip ejected. Since it was only a semi-auto 30-06 it was easy to manage and the Carbine was a manageable .30 Caliber Ball Cartridge ideal for Airborne troops.

The Rifle that won WWII gets my vote

*off topic*

Just wanted to say hello, and say it's good to see you posting! :)

aboutime
12-10-2013, 04:06 PM
The M-14 and BAR were both 30-.06 caliber and when automatic was selected they were nearly impossible to control.

My vote? Best Battle Rifle in Us History?

M-1 Garand and M-1 Carbine.

Only drawback on the M-1 was the Ping when the clip ejected. Since it was only a semi-auto 30-06 it was easy to manage and the Carbine was a manageable .30 Caliber Ball Cartridge ideal for Airborne troops.

The Rifle that won WWII gets my vote

V4R. My one regret after all these years has been that we were never permitted to actually fire our M-1. Navy boot camp wasn't equipped to do actual firearm training at the time. Just marching, discipline, marching, teamwork, and hearing the BEATLES for the very first time in July 1964. Life was so much more fun then.