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red states rule
12-08-2013, 12:53 PM
We have heard how many people have "enrolled"; placed a policy in their shopping cart, or set up an account. But I have yet to hear how many PAID for their coverage




Health-care reporters have been zeroed in lately on the 834 error rate, i.e. the rate of garbled or phantom enrollment data transmitted from Healthcare.gov to insurance companies as people sign up. WaPo claimed the other day that the rate is as high as one-third, but HHS, knowing a looming PR catastrophe when it sees one, has refused to give reporters a hard number. The media’s focus on that is all to the good — the higher the 834 error rate, the more chaos there’ll be next month in sorting out the big surge of applications in December — but there’s another key rate that’s being overlooked. Namely, what’s the rate of people who somehow, miraculously, have completed the sign-up process on Healthcare.gov but then failed to send a payment to their new insurer for their first month of premiums? I haven’t seen a single estimate of that yet even though it’s a crucial metric: If you don’t pay by New Year’s Eve, you’re not enrolled, even if you successfully signed up on the website. If there’s a huge nonpayment rate among new sign-ups, there’ll be a huge number of people who show up to see the doctor next month only to find, to their great confusion and annoyance, that they have no coverage because they haven’t paid yet.

That brings me to this new piece from CNN Money (http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/05/news/economy/obamacare-insured/index.html), from which I learned two important things. One: If you sign up but fail to pay by December 31st, it’s not a simple matter of your coverage being suspended until you pony up. Your enrollment is void and you have to re-enroll on the website in January. Imagine how well Healthcare.gov is likely to cope if, next month, there are suddenly hundreds of thousands of people flooding into the site trying to sign up again because they forgot to pay on time before. And two: At least one insurer out there is keeping tabs on its nonpayment rate and sharing that number with the media. And the results are … not good:

While the Obama administration has reported that more than 100,000 Americans picked plans in October, the first month of open enrollment, it’s not known how many of them have paid.

One insurer, Physicians Health Plan of Northern Indiana, has received payments from only about 20% of applicants, nearly all using the firm’s online portal, said Jim Brunnemer, the chief financial officer. It is sending invoices and email reminders to those who haven’t yet sealed the deal. If payment isn’t made by New Year’s Eve, PHP has been told by federal officials that it must void the application.

Another complication is that insurers also don’t have a lot of time to process applications and send out ID cards. The timeline, particularly over the holiday week, will prove “challenging” for some companies, one industry executive said.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/12/05/how-many-people-enrolled-in-obamacare-have-paid-their-first-month-of-premiums/

revelarts
12-08-2013, 02:08 PM
How many people think the go'vt wont get their money?

Little-Acorn
12-08-2013, 02:53 PM
How many people think the go'vt wont get their money?

How many people think the people who have signed up, really want to give the govt their money?

How many of the people backed out before completing the signup?

And how many more completed the signup, but when it came time to actually write the check (or swipe the credit card), changed their minds and backed out?

RSR's question is both appropriate and vital. How many people have gone all the way through and actually PAID for the coverage offered by Obamacare?

Might be a pretty small percentage. Obamacare might be even more unpopular than the statistics they're handing us, seem to indicate.

glockmail
12-08-2013, 06:50 PM
I get insurance through the wife's company because they can negotiate the best prices. We've got a great plan last year. But the savings that we saw got completely wiped out when the ObamaCare rules kicked in. The old provider wanted to raise rates 2.4 times what they were last year. They are negotiating with others to get that down, but it looks like we're going to be paying about double.

Thanks, Democrats. You own this.

aboutime
12-08-2013, 08:33 PM
How many people think the people who have signed up, really want to give the govt their money?

How many of the people backed out before completing the signup?

And how many more completed the signup, but when it came time to actually write the check (or swipe the credit card), changed their minds and backed out?

RSR's question is both appropriate and vital. How many people have gone all the way through and actually PAID for the coverage offered by Obamacare?

Might be a pretty small percentage. Obamacare might be even more unpopular than the statistics they're handing us, seem to indicate.



Little-Acorn. From what I have heard, and been reading. It seems the age-group Obamacare needs to get signed up...has all but decided NOT to purchase any kind of Healthcare, and are willing to just pay the fines. Some say will be $95.00 according to the ACA 20,000 pages of BS Nancy Pelosi warned all of us...we'd learn about AFTER they voted for it.

red states rule
12-09-2013, 02:50 AM
If you actually went through the process and PAID the first months premium you may NOT be covered

Yes the Obamacare site is still f'ing up applications




"Fixed" Obamacare Site Still Fails Hundreds of Thousands of Americans

More than two months after the site launched, Healthcare.gov is still malfunctioning for hundreds of thousands of people - and since more than five million people have lost their insurance plans, hundreds of thousands more might be affected. Reported Friday (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/12/06/healthcare-gov-still-screws-up-10-percent-of-enrollments/):

Medicare spokeswoman Julie Bataille confirmed that the agency believes about 10 percent of the health law's enrollment files -- known in insurance-speak as 834 transmissions -- have some kind of error. That's down from the 25% that HHS officials have acknowledged were occurring in October and November. Here's the kicker: nobody can identify if an individual who applied for or received insurance had an error. So every single application from October and November - and likely December - will need to be confirmed by the applicant with the insurance company to make sure they've actually got insurance coverage: (http://washingtonexaminer.com/1-in-4-obamacare-enrollments-affected-by-technical-bug-first-month/article/2540329)

A spokesman for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services on Friday suggested that the only way those who enrolled in October and November can be sure they will be covered in January is by paying their insurance bill and contacting their insurer to confirm their standing.
On the plus side, it's unlikely very many people up to this point have actually applied for coverage due to the buggy website. The Obama Administration still has not released the numbers of people who have applied and submit payment through the website, so we're unsure of who this affects. But at the moment, every single applicant is going to have to confirm that the insurance that they thought they bought - mandated to be purchased by the federal government - has actually been obtained.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2013/12/08/fixed-obamacare-site-still-fails-hundreds-of-thousands-of-americans-n1759293

red states rule
12-11-2013, 03:08 AM
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