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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-25-2013, 11:21 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/22/better-to-say-merry-christmas-or-happy-holidays The Brits have it right: forget Happy Holidays, just wish people Merry Christmas

Heather Long


theguardian.com, Sunday 22 December 2013 08.36 EST


Christmas. Photograph: Gary Calton


A colleague made a curious statement when she returned to New York recently from London, "Everything was so Christmas-y there."

At first glance, it's a bizarre statement. New York and London (among other cities in both countries) are decked out for the holidays. Who hasn't heard of the Rockefeller Center Christmas tree or London's Oxford Street lights and mince pies? And that's to say nothing of the famous storefront windows all aglow.

But look beyond the seasonal window treatments at Macy's and you'll quickly find a different story. In corporate America, everything is "happy holidays". Ads refer to "holiday shopping", end-of-year office soirees are "holiday parties" and kids' school concerts this time of year are "holiday concerts". You get the idea.

Even at the Guardian, when we put up our Christmas tree in the New York office, the first thing one of our interns said was, "Where's the menorah?"

It's the "politically correct" question. Evergreens and menorahs go hand in hand in most public places in the US. Some offices have gone a step further on the PC scale and simply done "winter wonderland" themed decorations. They have silver, gold and white lights aplenty, but no red and green anything. In short, snow globes are fine, Santa is not.

An annual survey that came out last week revealed just how conflicted Americans are on whether it's better to say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" this time of year. Half of America prefers one term and half the other. However, in a business or public setting, nearly two-thirds of those under 30 feel it's better to wish someone the more generic Happy Holidays. It's about trying to be polite in an increasingly diverse society.

I see the trend just by looking at the greeting cards I've received this year in the mail and how people are signing off their emails. The majority wish me something along the lines of: happy holidays, peace, warm wishes for the New Year, and my least favorite, "seasons greetings". The cards have nice images of mittens, ice skates and snow covered landscapes (not to mention photos of cute kids), but not much overtly Christmas-y. They offer me everything jolly and merry this time of year, except a Merry Christmas.

I'm not to saying that Christmas isn't prominently visible in the states. There are still plenty of Santas and pine trees for sale here, and a drive around the neighborhood, especially in parts of America outside of the major cities, and you'll see people go all out with the Christmas lights and decorations outside their homes (there's even a TV show about it). But even people who are clearly celebrating Christmas in their homes tend to be conflicted about what to say in the workplace or at school. No one wants to offend anyone or make assumptions about people's religious beliefs, especially at work. Question is , how long before a certain element there demands Christmas be banned. We have atheists here screaming about it but there it'll likely be another group. One that is far more radical and violent. One that absolutely believe no group should not yield to their beliefs and are willing to murder to prove it. Christmas is about Christ, peace , love and the brotherhood of mankind. All things the opposing group hates.. -Tyr

Drummond
12-25-2013, 11:36 AM
Question is , how long before a certain element there demands Christmas be banned. We have atheists here screaming about it but there it'll likely be another group. One that is far more radical and violent. One that absolutely believe no group should not yield to their beliefs and are willing to murder to prove it. Christmas is about Christ, peace , love and the brotherhood of mankind. All things the opposing group hates.. -Tyr

The answer to this is, basically, that a mixture of Left wing and Muslim groups have tried to make inroads into the whole question of 'Christmas' being acceptable in what our Labour Party insisted is a multicultural Society. Inroads there have indeed been, but it tends to be the case that outright bans are considered too extreme to be taken on board.

But .. it's ongoing. Erosion of sensibilities continues. Nothing major said this year, so far as I can recall .. but then, we don't currently have Socialists in Government.

See ..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4398680.stm


A decision to call Christmas lights "Winter Lights" in south London has been condemned as showing a "total lack of respect" for Christians.Advertisements for the switch-on of the lights in multi-cultural Lambeth have renamed them, apparently for fear of offending other faiths.

Tory councillor Bernard Gentry told the BBC: "Christmas appears to have been cancelled in our borough".

A spokesman said it was an error by a junior official and not council policy.

That one goes back several years.

My belief is that if Labour get elected back into power the next time around, we'll see a resurgence of demands for 'cultural sensitivity' from Muslim groups. But, for right now, we ARE celebrating Christmas without voices raised in 'offended' protest.

tailfins
12-25-2013, 11:45 AM
But .. it's ongoing. Erosion of sensibilities continues. Nothing major said this year, so far as I can recall .. but then, we don't currently have Socialists in Government.

Many would beg to differ with you. I read a commentary before the last British election asking "Which Socialist Will Win"?

Drummond
12-25-2013, 12:04 PM
Many would beg to differ with you. I read a commentary before the last British election asking "Which Socialist Will Win"?

It's a matter of degree. To many US Conservatives, even our Conservatives would seem Socialist. David Cameron's supportive stances on Gays (new, not old usage) .. and our National Health Service, which Cameron claims to 'love' ... Obama would doubtless identify with both.

Then, of course, there's the fact of coalition with our LibDems (in British terms, a middle-of-the-road Party). The LibDems have had a watering-down effect on those aspects of Conservatism Cameron is still loyal towards.

Drummond
12-25-2013, 12:14 PM
Tyr, I just got a message saying you'd exceeded your quota of messages (PM's) .. could you have a clearout when you have time ? Can't PM you for the moment ....

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-25-2013, 12:23 PM
Tyr, I just got a message saying you'd exceeded your quota of messages (PM's) .. could you have a clearout when you have time ? Can't PM you for the moment .... ok, will do immediately after posting this.

Arbo
12-25-2013, 01:48 PM
This is what happens when those who celebrate christmas as a religious thing, let others co-opt their holiday and turn it into nothing more than a money maker for businesses. Work to throw the commercialism out of it and take it back.