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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-04-2014, 11:26 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/big-wrong-turn-man-carrying-160432640.html Big wrong turn for man carrying gun in car may lead to 3-year jail term in Canada
Military veteran says he and wife were misdirected by GPS and didn't want to cross border

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Dylan Stableford, Yahoo News
By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo News
12 hours ago


A 46-year-old Kentucky man and military veteran who made a wrong turn during a Vermont getaway with his wife and wound up at the Canadian border is facing three years in prison for allegedly trying to smuggle a loaded handgun into the country.



But Louis DiNatale says he didn't want to enter Canada to begin with. He and his wife were on a road trip in upstate New York last September when they were "misdirected by an unreliable GPS," to the Thousand Islands Bridge border crossing between New York state and Ontario, the Los Angeles Times reports.

At the border, DiNatale asked if they could turn around, but was denied. A border patrol agent then asked if he owned a gun.

"I told him I was retired military, I had respect for weapons, and I had a concealed carry license to do so," DiNatale explained in a statement. "He asked me when was the last time I had a weapon on me. I told him, 'Earlier that week.' He asked me again, 'Why?' I told him it was my right as an American citizen to do so."

According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.

Agents searched the car, found the gun, and arrested DiNatale for attempted gun smuggling and lying to border patrol agents. He was released four days later, and a court date was set for June. If convicted, DiNatale, a retired Army sergeant major, faces three years in a Canadian prison.


"They're trying to make a general blanket statement to American citizens: Don't mess with our borders," DiNatale's lawyer, Bruce Engel, told the Times.

Engel may be right.

According to the Times, nearly 1,400 firearms have been confiscated at Canadian entry points over the last three years, most of them personal guns belonging to U.S. citizens.

"The Government of Canada is committed to effective firearms and weapons control," a warning on the website of Canada's Border Services Agency reads. "All firearms and weapons must be declared to a border services officer when you enter Canada. Failure to do so could result in them being seized, and you may face criminal charges."

The same warning, though, states that agents are also in charge of "streamlining the process for low-risk and law-abiding persons traveling with firearms for legitimate purposes and with the required documentation."


"They could have done their homework and looked at his background and seen he's a professional," Engel said of the border patrol. "They could have accepted the word of his wife and released him on his own recognizance."

Instead, DiNatale, a former Army legal expert and paralegal in his home state, is experiencing the wrath of the Canadian border's "zero-tolerance" gun policy. And DiNatale's lack of familiarity with such a policy does not seem to matter.

"I can't speak for all folks who cross," Chris Kealey, a spokesman for the Canada Border Services Agency, told the Times. "But those who live near the border are probably more aware of Canada's laws than someone from the southern part of the U.S."

DiNatale's case is increasingly common. FF THE CANADIANS, TOO DAMN COWARDLY TO OWN GUNS AND MAN UP TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, FFING SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED . Perhaps we in the South should teach some that visit here that their cowardice and stupidity has a price. --Tyr

logroller
02-05-2014, 05:18 AM
FF THE CANADIANS, TOO DAMN COWARDLY TO OWN GUNS AND MAN UP TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, FFING SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED . Perhaps we in the South should teach some that visit here that their cowardice and stupidity has a price. --Tyr
Canadians can, and do own guns. It's not illegal to bring firearms into canada; it just has to be declared. Fwiw, I'd bet coming to an American checkpoint and denying you have a gun when there's one in your console wouldn't bode too well here either. And given the FnF gun smuggling campaign, I'm not that surprised Canada is on heightened alert. I dont think the guy should go to prison over it; but lose the gun, pay some fines and be refused return.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-05-2014, 08:20 AM
Canadians can, and do own guns. It's not illegal to bring firearms into canada; it just has to be declared. Fwiw, I'd bet coming to an American checkpoint and denying you have a gun when there's one in your console wouldn't bode too well here either. And given the FnF gun smuggling campaign, I'm not that surprised Canada is on heightened alert. I dont think the guy should go to prison over it; but lose the gun, pay some fines and be refused return. Perhaps you missed this part. He was not attempting to enter with a gun . He asked to be allowed to turn around . They should have allowed him to turn around since he expressed no desire to go into Canada instead they asked him questions then searched his car. Looks to me to be the case of an overzealous Canadian border officer. A Canadian Barney Fife so to speak. Obama's war on guns crusade has been ramped up by our Northern neighbors.


At the border, DiNatale asked if they could turn around, but was denied. A border patrol agent then asked if he owned a gun.