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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
03-23-2014, 07:16 PM
Is the A-10 Warthog Safe? Pentagon Floats a Plan to Save the Air Force's Best Tank-Destroyer

Is the A-10 Warthog Safe? Pentagon Floats a Plan to Save the Air Force's Best Tank-Destroyer

By Rich Smith

The U.S. Air Force wants to kill the A-10 Thunderbolt II. Really, really, really wants to.

Or not.

Described alternately as the "most survivable plane ever built" and "the best close air support plane ever designed," there's no denying the A-10 has a lot of fans. On Facebook, some 11,000 supporters have "liked" a page tagged "Save the A-10."

Mother Jones describes the plane like this: "Imagine an unstoppable commercial Learjet with a full-automatic cannon in its nose and an iron bathtub surrounding the cockpit. That gives you some idea of the A-10's appearance and performance." Designed to be a Soviet tank-killer, the A-10 has proved itself instrumental in combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, achieving an 85% mission success rate in Iraq.

In contrast, the plane that's meant to replace the A-10 -- and many other weapons platforms besides -- is Lockheed Martin's (NYSE: LMT ) F-35. Mother Jones mocks the F-35 as "a gold-plated aircraft" that's "supposed to be an air fighter and a ground attack plane, but doesn't perform particularly well at either task."
So why is the Air Force trying to kill its "good" plane in favor of the "particularly" good one? Basically, because the "gold-plated" F-35 costs so much that there's no money left over for the A-10.

Cheaper and better lose out to more expensive and worse
As early as we are in the F-35 program, it's hard to say precisely how much Lockheed's vaunted joint strike fighter will ultimately cost. At the macro level, some say the program could consume $1.1 trillion over the course of 60 years. Zoom in a bit, and the per-plane cost could be $80 million -- or $150 million.

What is clear is that the A-10 Warthog's unit cost of about $20 million (in 2013 dollars), makes it a much cheaper ground attack aircraft than the F-35.

But even so, the Air Force estimates it will cost about $700 million per year to maintain and operate its 326 A-10s over the next five years. That's $700 million it would prefer to pour into the F-35 program if at all possible. But for that to happen, the A-10 has to die.

Or not
The A-10's defenders are not thrilled with this plan. In Congress, fans of the plane, including Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire (whose husband flew the A-10 in Iraq), have mounted an effective defense of the plane's funding. So effective, in fact, that this past week, the Air Force revealed that it's considering alternate scenarios to save money in the event the A-10 survives.

Specifically, DefenseNews.com reports that the Air Force might choose to retire all of its 66 B-1B long-range bombers, or put 350 (of its 1,018) F-16 fighter jets into mothballs. Either move, says the Air Force, would save roughly $3.5 billion over five years -- enough to keep the A-10s flying.

More weakening of our military as Russia , China and other enemies flex their muscles and make moves! Seems as if our little falsely praised boy blunder doesn't have a clue. Seems that way if you foolishly believe that he is not weakening our military abilities deliberately. I know that he does this deliberately because no way can the continuing pattern be merely happenstance!! Waste trillions so as to be able to justify insane and unsafe cuts to our military that is Obama's M.O. -Tyr

this is insanity==

Specifically, DefenseNews.com reports that the Air Force might choose to retire all of its 66 B-1B long-range bombers, or put 350 (of its 1,018) F-16 fighter jets into mothballs. Either move, says the Air Force, would save roughly $3.5 billion over five years[/SIZE]

aboutime
03-23-2014, 07:40 PM
It's a BIG, BIG, BIG mistake. All being run by idiots who are afraid of Obama in the Pentagon.

As for the SECDEF. He's nothing but an Obama Yes Wuss, trying to keep his job too!

Look up his military experience. I MEAN REAL EXPERIENCE. Hagel is perfect for Obama.

Though he is a Purple heart, Vietnam veteran who served One tour. His military experience is far less than what G.W.Bush...as a pilot did. IMO.

As I said. Obama needed YES MEN. And Hagel fit the bill.

So. Whatever he, and Obama decide about planes, people, or weapons...will be to GET RID OF THEM...then worry about saving, and PROTECTING the nation.

gabosaurus
03-23-2014, 11:22 PM
Why the hell do we need a tank destroyer? Are we getting ready to fight World War II again?
I would hope that even someone as old and decrepit as you would realize that modern wars are not fought with tanks. Or tank destroyers.
We need to scrap production of everything that was built for land based warfare. We need more for surveillance and intelligence. The Pentagon needs to retire all the generals and other decision makers over the age of 50 and replace them with those trained for modern warfare.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
03-23-2014, 11:52 PM
Why the hell do we need a tank destroyer? Are we getting ready to fight World War II again?
I would hope that even someone as old and decrepit as you would realize that modern wars are not fought with tanks. Or tank destroyers.
We need to scrap production of everything that was built for land based warfare. We need more for surveillance and intelligence. The Pentagon needs to retire all the generals and other decision makers over the age of 50 and replace them with those trained for modern warfare.

Really? Why? Did Russia, China , the ME scrap all their tanks and hide that fact from the rest of the world. Did they suddenly find a way to take territory without boots on the grounds and actual invasion? Did Russia just take Crimea without troops coming in with accompanying armor too? Methinks you have bought into socialist propaganda that has been promoted to deceive us and to lull us into a false security. Propaganda those wanting us to degrade our military just like we did before ww2 burst upon the world. These things do not occur by mere happenstance. As a person that has spent most of my lifetime studying history, battles , wars and generals I can tell you that you are dead wrong. The greatest defense is a well prepared military that can quickly go on offense.
The best way to defeat an enemy is to prepare said enemy for defeat even before the first shot is fired !! History shows this to have happened often as well as tricking the enemy into letting down its reliable defenses.
Don't believe me Gabby, then study warfare ,history and rise and fall of great empires. I have and my take on it is sound judgment based upon life experiences, eagerly gathered knowledge and an extra helping of "common sense"..
Start with this for a good idea . = A History of Warfare: Field - Marshall Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, William Morrow and Company 1983.

" If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself for battle?
Except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken?

Tis' better late to learn than never to have learned. -Tyr

CSM
03-24-2014, 08:35 AM
Why the hell do we need a tank destroyer? Are we getting ready to fight World War II again?
I would hope that even someone as old and decrepit as you would realize that modern wars are not fought with tanks. Or tank destroyers.
We need to scrap production of everything that was built for land based warfare. We need more for surveillance and intelligence. The Pentagon needs to retire all the generals and other decision makers over the age of 50 and replace them with those trained for modern warfare.

Great idea!

Get rid of the Army and Marines. In fact, since there has not been any large scale naval battle since WWII, we can disband the Navy as well. Further, there has not been any large scale air battles either so clearly the Air Force can be trimmed down by a huge amount too. Intelligence, surveillance and reconnaisance can be beefed up siginificantly but why bother when the news media tells us anything we need to know.

Hmmm... I like this train of thought. While we are at it, let's get rid of the traditional school house and teachers. All the information is available on-line anyway so why not just give every US household a computer and internet access. Students can then study at their liesure any subject they so desire.

aboutime
03-24-2014, 12:29 PM
Why the hell do we need a tank destroyer? Are we getting ready to fight World War II again?
I would hope that even someone as old and decrepit as you would realize that modern wars are not fought with tanks. Or tank destroyers.
We need to scrap production of everything that was built for land based warfare. We need more for surveillance and intelligence. The Pentagon needs to retire all the generals and other decision makers over the age of 50 and replace them with those trained for modern warfare.

Congratulations gabby. You have now risen to the status as New Neville Chamberlain of DP.

If you are as intelligent, and smart as you have claimed to be. There should be no reason for me to explain WHO Mr. Chamberlain was.
And. You should feel complimented for gaining such an identity here.


Bet both of you look like relatives as well....http://icansayit.com/images/chamberlain.jpg