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tailfins
04-21-2014, 10:27 AM
I have been picketing to help one egregious case, but one only need to do a web search on "Children Services Misconduct" to see a pattern.


Multiple States
http://kidjacked.com/

MA
http://massoutrage.com/ma/

FL
http://dcfsaveourchildren.blogspot.com/2011/09/stop-dcf-in-florida_07.html

CT
http://www.corruptct.com/corrupt/they-will-not-stop-unless-they-are-forced-to/

VT
http://dcfvermont.wordpress.com/page/2/

WA
http://www.katu.com/news/investigators/Parents-say-daughter-legally-kidnapped-without-their-side-heard-211319901.html
I'm sure you can find more.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
04-21-2014, 10:39 AM
I have been picketing to help one egregious case, but one only need to do a web search on "Children Services Misconduct" to see a pattern.

MA
http://massoutrage.com/ma/

FL
http://dcfsaveourchildren.blogspot.com/2011/09/stop-dcf-in-florida_07.html

CT
http://www.corruptct.com/corrupt/they-will-not-stop-unless-they-are-forced-to/

VT
http://dcfvermont.wordpress.com/page/2/

WA
http://www.katu.com/news/investigators/Parents-say-daughter-legally-kidnapped-without-their-side-heard-211319901.html
I'm sure you can find more.

You are 100% dead on right with this. Our government has the overall view that IT owns our kids and just allows us to tag along for the ride. Anybody think not hasn't dealt with IT about the matter yet. In my life I seen a few very eye opening cases that were truly awe shockingly insane cases of government tyranny! And the victims of those cases had no true recourse. Its always just somebody else's problem until the day all powerful IT comes after you! Then whomever finds out that fighting a hungry tiger with only a peacock feather is a very , very hopelessly damn bad place to be !-Tyr

fj1200
04-21-2014, 01:25 PM
For the average American? Just fine.

tailfins
04-21-2014, 01:49 PM
For the average American? Just fine.

How do you explain case after case after case of dictatorial "child service" agencies with judges that have become accustomed to taking the bureaucrats at their word and rubber stamping their requests? Parents need to be guaranteed a jury to serve as a circuit breaker before taking children from their families.

fj1200
04-21-2014, 02:00 PM
How do you explain case after case after case of dictatorial "child service" agencies with judges that have become accustomed to taking the bureaucrats at their word and rubber stamping their requests? Parents need to be guaranteed a jury to serve as a circuit breaker before taking children from their families.

You asked about the average, the average American is just fine. Just as the right complains when the left blasts away with hyperbole we shouldn't need to overstate our case.

tailfins
04-21-2014, 02:14 PM
You asked about the average, the average American is just fine. Just as the right complains when the left blasts away with hyperbole we shouldn't need to overstate our case.

The average American wears seat belts and buys car insurance because there is a nontrivial risk of a vehicle collision. Losing custody is at least as catastrophic and perhaps even more likely.

fj1200
04-21-2014, 02:18 PM
The average American wears seat belts and buys car insurance because there is a nontrivial risk of a vehicle collision. Losing custody is at least as catastrophic and perhaps even more likely.

Please provide numbers on losing custody vs. auto accidents please. Besides, the average American takes more risk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation) when driving due to having the "safety" factor of seat belts and air bags.

tailfins
04-21-2014, 02:27 PM
Please provide numbers on losing custody vs. auto accidents please. Besides, the average American takes more risk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation) when driving due to having the "safety" factor of seat belts and air bags.

You can't get those numbers because "child services" agencies are afforded an incredible level of secrecy.

fj1200
04-21-2014, 02:35 PM
You can't get those numbers because "child services" agencies are afforded an incredible level of secrecy.

Are you going to suggest that there are more than 10.8 million children who have been taken away from their parents?

https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf

tailfins
04-21-2014, 02:40 PM
Are you going to suggest that there are more than 10.8 million children who have been taken away from their parents?

https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf

The deaths number is probably more in line. The number of children in foster care in the US totals just under a half-million.

fj1200
04-21-2014, 02:46 PM
The deaths number is probably more in line. The number of children in foster care in the US totals just under a half-million.

We can move those goal posts then. :slap: Are you suggesting that 35,900 (https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf) children have been taken from their parents? Are you also suggesting that the half-million kids in foster care have been taken away by child-services-run-amok?

Even taking that away there are ~74 million minors (http://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp) in this country; even 500k is nowhere near the "average."

tailfins
04-21-2014, 03:20 PM
We can move those goal posts then. :slap: Are you suggesting that 35,900 (https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf) children have been taken from their parents? Are you also suggesting that the half-million kids in foster care have been taken away by child-services-run-amok?

Even taking that away there are ~74 million minors (http://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp) in this country; even 500k is nowhere near the "average."

A uniform distribution would suggest a three-quarter of one percent average risk of being in foster care. That is not a trivial risk.

fj1200
04-21-2014, 03:27 PM
A uniform distribution would suggest a three-quarter of one percent average risk of being in foster care. That is not a trivial risk.

I'm certainly not going to argue statistics but you opened with "Children Services Misconduct" to which you've not suggested a reasonable number. Hence your uniform distribution overstates the risk.

logroller
04-21-2014, 08:27 PM
A uniform distribution would suggest a three-quarter of one percent average risk of being in foster care. That is not a trivial risk.
I doubt that it is uniform though--Are there heightened risk factors?