All Women Like Being Catcalled, Say Buenos Aires Mayor

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I just love someone who has the nerve to say something so politically incorrect.

Nothing beats South America.


In most of Latin America, piropos — catcalls — are part of everyday life. It’s a tradition that’s gone modern, there are even websites (http://www.piropos.org/los-mejores-piropos.htm) that offer ideas for catcalls.

http://fusion.net/justice/story/buenos-aires-mayor-women-catcalled-651650


"Women who say they don’t like it, and are offended by it, I don’t believe it” said Macri on the “FM Masters” radio show.

[Yeah Nope]

The sad part is that it is considered politically incorrect. In the context that piropos are conplements and sometimes a game of verbal sparing his comments make perfect sense. The examples portrayed as standard piropos in articles on this subject are anything but standard, they are cherry picked by those with an ideological bias.

[Drummond]

I'm no fan of political correctness. It's used as a means to dictate to people how they should think. At its worst, political correctness is a monstrosity deserving of the utmost opposition.

That said ... for as long as those 'catcalls' aren't offensive, then they're fine. But they COULD offend .. and I don't accept any blanket supposition that 'it can't happen' .. so it seems to me that maybe a fine line is being trod.

Just thought that needed to be said. No offence = no harm. If offence DOES occur, that's entirely different.

[Yeah Nope]

If offence DOES occur, that's entirely different.

To an extent I agree, common courtesy demands that you don't go out of your way to offend someone, but the flip side to that is nobody should be required to go out of their way to avoid offending someone. Especially considering that offence is caused by a cultural norm.

Nobody has the right to not be offended.

[Drummond]

To an extent I agree, common courtesy demands that you don't go out of your way to offend someone, but the flip side to that is nobody should be required to go out of their way to avoid offending someone. Especially considering that offence is caused by a cultural norm.

Nobody has the right to not be offended.

On balance I must agree. OK, fair enough !

BTW - welcome to the forum !

[jimnyc]

I don't know about the catcalling part. But I think the majority wouldn't mind knowing they are being looked at as attractive, so long as that's all it is. I think it's just natural to feel good when you catch someone kinda checking you out. But a lot of women I know would change their mind with a whistle, as they see it as degrading in general. I can't say I blame them.

I remember playing baseball when I was like 13 or 14 and playing center field. A few girls walking around the park were walking behind the fence. One of them whistled and told me I had a nice butt. I'm glad no balls were hit to me in that inning, as I was on cloud 9 from the attention and the ball would have landed on my now fat head! :laugh:

[logroller]

To an extent I agree, common courtesy demands that you don't go out of your way to offend someone, but the flip side to that is nobody should be required to go out of their way to avoid offending someone. Especially considering that offence is caused by a cultural norm.

Nobody has the right to not be offended.
Offensive behavior is one thing, but harassing behavior is different. Just because its a cultural norm doesn't make it right. Inflicting injuries, even emotional ones, is something that should not be tolerated.

[Drummond]

Offensive behavior is one thing, but harassing behavior is different. Just because its a cultural norm doesn't make it right. Inflicting injuries, even emotional ones, is something that should not be tolerated.

... and I see that argument as being basically valid. As far as it goes, that is ..

Sifting this -- for me, it comes down to individual circumstances (to a great degree). Also bear in mind that the very fact of awareness of that cultural norm might itself lessen the potential for harm.

Bottom line - no harm perceived = no harm done. Besides ... maybe, just maybe, not accepting that some people have 'thick emotional hides' is of itself offensive ? Who's to say that people SHOULD be treated with kid gloves, and that approaching them in that way is a good thing ?

Individual circumstances. This is surely what's truly relevant. Generalising may be far from either fair or helpful.

[Yeah Nope]

Offensive behavior is one thing, but harassing behavior is different.

The issue is that in a case like this the difference between normal, offensive, and harrassing behavior is entirely subjective.


Just because its a cultural norm doesn't make it right.
Nor, when subjectivity is considered does it make it wrong.


Inflicting injuries, even emotional ones, is something that should not be tolerated.
I wholly agree, yet content, context and intent must be considered. Were a woman to claim offence and trauma from someone calling out "I would rape you till you liked it", I would 100% support her, such a comment is overtly threatening and in no way ambiguous. Were a woman to claim the same for, "Beautiful, you attract so much that you are like a magnetic wall", I would find it absurd. Yet there are those that would claim such.

This is the issue I take with PC ideology and the idea that content, context, and intent are irrelevant compared to subjectivity. The difference between something being offensive to a rational majority, and a minority claiming offense as a means of social control must be recognized, with the latter being dismissed for the manipulation it is.


BTW - welcome to the forum !
Thanks

[Trigg]

I get that it might be a "cultural norm", but that doesn't make it any less creepy or offensive.

When I was in Italy, a group of men walked almost all the way around my friend and I, looking us up and down. I wanted to go back to the hotel and put on a hoodie or something. It was extremely uncomfortable.

The women in those countries have probably learned to ignore the men so well that they hardly hear it, which may be why this mayor thinks they enjoy it.....if there's no reaction they must like it:unsure:

[Abbey Marie]

All Women Like Being Catcalled

Yes, and ALL men like being used for their money. :rolleyes:

His Honor is a moron.

[soupnazi630]

I'm no fan of political correctness. It's used as a means to dictate to people how they should think. At its worst, political correctness is a monstrosity deserving of the utmost opposition.

That said ... for as long as those 'catcalls' aren't offensive, then they're fine. But they COULD offend .. and I don't accept any blanket supposition that 'it can't happen' .. so it seems to me that maybe a fine line is being trod.

Just thought that needed to be said. No offence = no harm. If offence DOES occur, that's entirely different.

The difference between being offended by a catcall or flattered by a catcall depends entirely on who is doing the cat calling.

Or more precisely how attractive they are to the female being called at.

Much the same way that a behavior is either creepy or charming depending on how attractice the woman finds the man engaging in said behavior.

So this mayor is correct all women do like it depending on who it comes from

[gabosaurus]

When I was a senior in high school, two friends and I engaged in some catcalling of our own. Just to see how guys would react.
Some were flattered. Most were not. Especially when we got vulgar. :cool:

[logroller]

The issue is that in a case like this the difference between normal, offensive, and harrassing behavior is entirely subjective.


Nor, when subjectivity is considered does it make it wrong.


I wholly agree, yet content, context and intent must be considered. Were a woman to claim offence and trauma from someone calling out "I would rape you till you liked it", I would 100% support her, such a comment is overtly threatening and in no way ambiguous. Were a woman to claim the same for, "Beautiful, you attract so much that you are like a magnetic wall", I would find it absurd. Yet there are those that would claim such.

This is the issue I take with PC ideology and the idea that content, context, and intent are irrelevant compared to subjectivity. The difference between something being offensive to a rational majority, and a minority claiming offense as a means of social control must be recognized, with the latter being dismissed for the manipulation it is.


Thanks
I fail to see how treating a woman (or anyone) with respect is in any way a political issue. And if you think that treating a woman as an object is par for the course then you're a miserable retch of a man.


... and I see that argument as being basically valid. As far as it goes, that is ..

Sifting this -- for me, it comes down to individual circumstances (to a great degree). Also bear in mind that the very fact of awareness of that cultural norm might itself lessen the potential for harm.

Bottom line - no harm perceived = no harm done. Besides ... maybe, just maybe, not accepting that some people have 'thick emotional hides' is of itself offensive ? Who's to say that people SHOULD be treated with kid gloves, and that approaching them in that way is a good thing ?

Individual circumstances. This is surely what's truly relevant. Generalising may be far from either fair or helpful.
Kids gloves!!! Is treating another with respect and dignity childish to you? I simply don't believe that treating another person with respectful consideration is a childish act. Quite the opposite in fact. It sounds to me like you confuse consideration with condescension. Considering another person's feeling and emotional well-being is always beneficial, regardless of age or sex-- it could not be construed as offensive regardless of how thick one's skin is. I've never heard someone say, 'wow, that guy's respect for me is offensive'. Sure, offenses will happen and Nobody expects anyone to be infallible but that doesn't give us free reign to be an inconsiderate jerk.

So far as cultural norms go, what's your take on strict dress codes for women in Islamic societies-- I'll bet a hijab and face veil lessens the potential for harm.

[Noir]

Watching men tell women what they like, what they should consider harassment, and what they want to hear is overly embarrassing.

[tailfins]

When I was a senior in high school, two friends and I engaged in some catcalling of our own. Just to see how guys would react.
Some were flattered. Most were not. Especially when we got vulgar. :cool:

Back then my reaction would have been. "You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?" Flirts used to tick me off unless they were willing to provide the action to back it up.

[Trigg]

The difference between being offended by a catcall or flattered by a catcall depends entirely on who is doing the cat calling.

Or more precisely how attractive they are to the female being called at.

Much the same way that a behavior is either creepy or charming depending on how attractice the woman finds the man engaging in said behavior.

So this mayor is correct all women do like it depending on who it comes from


I presume you know this because you're a woman???

Otherwise you're talking out your ass :)

Catcalls are creepy, always.

Yes, women like compliments from attractive men. COMPLIMENTS, not catcalls.

A man walking up to me in a social setting or bar who offers a compliment is one thing. Yelling it on a public street or whistling is offensive.

[jimnyc]

Catcalls are creepy, always.

Unless it happens to me. And the gal is not morbidly obese and drooling. :)

[tailfins]

When I was a senior in high school, two friends and I engaged in some catcalling of our own. Just to see how guys would react.
Some were flattered. Most were not. Especially when we got vulgar. :cool:

I think Toby Keith was thinking of someone like you when he wrote this song: "A Little Less Talk And A Lot More Action."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI7YzUKE_wI&feature=kp

[Trigg]

Unless it happens to me. And the gal is not morbidly obese and drooling. :)


I'll remember that next time I'm in NY and see you on the street.

:cool:

Sadly though the men who usually exhibit this behavior are sweaty construction workers with obivous lack of manners.

[Gaffer]

I'll remember that next time I'm in NY and see you on the street.

:cool:

Sadly though the men who usually exhibit this behavior are sweaty construction workers with obivous lack of manners.

Yep it's just ignorant men showing off for their buddies.

[tailfins]

Yep it's just ignorant men showing off for their buddies.

Not necessarily: It's like fishin'. Sometimes a good looking chick with a low opinion of herself walks by and JACKPOT.


Unless it happens to me. And the gal is not morbidly obese and drooling. http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/smilies/smile.png

If one that's "morbidly obese and drooling" catcalls you just say, "I bet you oink when you're pumpin' and squeal when you're done."

[Noir]

Reasonably on topic - some GIFs from the (now infamous) Australian Snickers advert inwhich 'builders are not themselves'

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[Voted4Reagan]

South America... A Misogynists Paradise with Socialist Government.

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South America... A Misogynists Paradise with Socialist Government.

So, Colombia and Paraguay have socialist governments. :laugh: You heard it here on DP first! However both countries are indeed are a cornucopia for single guys.