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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
10-08-2014, 08:19 AM
http://theweek.com/article/index/269462/why-do-so-many-liberals-despise-christianity

Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?

Liberalism seems to have an irrational animus against Christianity. Consider these two stories highlighted in the last week by conservative Christian blogger Rod Dreher.

Item 1: In a widely discussed essay in Slate, author Brian Palmer writes about the prevalence of missionary doctors and nurses in Africa and their crucial role in treating those suffering from Ebola. Palmer tries to be fair-minded, but he nonetheless expresses "ambivalence," "suspicion," and "visceral discomfort" about the fact that these men and women are motivated to make "long-term commitments to address the health problems of poor Africans," to "risk their lives," and to accept poor compensation (and sometimes none at all) because of their Christian faith.

The question is why he considers this a problem.

Palmer mentions a lack of data and an absence of regulatory oversight. But he's honest enough to admit that these aren't the real reasons for his concern. The real reason is that he doesn't believe that missionaries are capable "of separating their religious work from their medical work," even when they vow not to proselytize their patients. And that, in his view, is unacceptable — apparently because he's an atheist and religion creeps him out. As he puts it, rather wanly, "It's great that these people are doing God's work, but do they have to talk about Him so much?"

That overriding distaste for religion leads Palmer to propose a radical corollary to the classical liberal ideal of a separation between church and state — one that goes far beyond politics, narrowly construed. Palmer thinks it's necessary to uphold a separation of "religion and health care."

Item 2: Gordon College, a small Christian school north of Boston, is facing the possibility of having its accreditation revoked by the higher education commission of the New England Association of Schools and Colleges, according to an article in the Boston Business Journal. Since accreditation determines a school's eligibility to participate in federal and state financial aid programs, and the eligibility of its students to be accepted into graduate programs and to meet requirements for professional licensure, revoking a school's accreditation is a big deal — and can even be a death sentence.

What has Gordon College done to jeopardize its accreditation? It has chosen to enforce a "life and conduct statement" that forbids "homosexual practice" on campus.

Now, one could imagine a situation in which such a statement might legitimately run afoul of an accreditation board or even anti-discrimination statutes and regulations — if, for example, it stated that being gay is a sign of innate depravity and that students who feel same-sex attraction should be subject to punishment for having such desires.

But that isn't the case here. At all. In accordance with traditional Christian teaching, Gordon College bans all sexual relationships outside of marriage, gay or straight, and it goes out of its way to say that its structures against homosexual acts apply only to behavior and not to same-sex desires or orientation.

The accreditation board is not so much objecting to the college's treatment of gays as it is rejecting the legitimacy of its devoutly Christian sexual beliefs.

The anti-missionary article and the story of Gordon College's troubles are both examples (among many others) of contemporary liberalism's irrational animus against religion in general and traditional forms of Christianity in particular.

My use of the term "irrational animus" isn't arbitrary. The Supreme Court has made "irrational animus" a cornerstone of its jurisprudence on gay rights. A law cannot stand if it can be shown to be motivated by rationally unjustifiable hostility to homosexuals, and on several occasions the court has declared that traditional religious objections to homosexuality are reducible to just such a motive.

But the urge to eliminate Christianity's influence on and legacy within our world can be its own form of irrational animus. The problem is not just the cavalier dismissal of people's long-established beliefs and the ways of life and traditions based on them. The problem is also the dogmatic denial of the beauty and wisdom contained within those beliefs, ways of life, and traditions. (You know, the kind of thing that leads a doctor to risk his life and forego a comfortable stateside livelihood in favor of treating deadly illness in dangerous, impoverished African cities and villages, all out of a love for Jesus Christ.)

Contemporary liberals increasingly think and talk like a class of self-satisfied commissars enforcing a comprehensive, uniformly secular vision of the human good. The idea that someone, somewhere might devote her life to an alternative vision of the good — one that clashes in some respects with liberalism's moral creed — is increasingly intolerable.

That is a betrayal of what's best in the liberal tradition.

Liberals support all that is bad, Dems, Gays, Muslims,
and also Perverts but then again I repeat myself.. ;)--Tyr

Gunny
10-08-2014, 08:26 AM
Wall of words.

darin
10-08-2014, 08:35 AM
Wonder if its generational-hatered. See, for decades - hundreds of years...thousands? "christianity" has been an absolutely dick to non-believers - notwithstanding the amazing efforts of individuals, organized 'christianity' is full of assholes.

Gunny
10-08-2014, 08:40 AM
Wonder if its generational-hatered. See, for decades - hundreds of years...thousands? "christianity" has been an absolutely dick to non-believers - notwithstanding the amazing efforts of individuals, organized 'christianity' is full of assholes.

:)

PixieStix
10-08-2014, 10:42 AM
How about we just give in and make sharia the law of the land. Then we can see who really hates. Those who think Christianity is hatred. How about you make an actual point?

Liberalism or progressivism, Has been why our country has become weakened. For those who think otherwise are fools.

And yes, many liberals hate Christianity. But I will agree that some fear what they do not understand. But it makes it worse by those who THINK they understand, but really don't.

Pernicious
10-08-2014, 10:51 AM
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PixieStix
10-08-2014, 10:52 AM
http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6497&stc=1


What a terrible thing to teach our children. This hate must stop!

Shadow
10-08-2014, 11:10 AM
Wonder if its generational-hatered. See, for decades - hundreds of years...thousands? "christianity" has been an absolutely dick to non-believers - notwithstanding the amazing efforts of individuals, organized 'christianity' is full of assholes.
You forgot holier than thou liars and hypocrites that don't even practice what they preach.

darin
10-08-2014, 11:23 AM
You forgot holier than thou liars and hypocrites that don't even practice what they preach.


Christians aren't the only blame of course; frequently the more broken, wrecked, emotionally-abused the person the more they lash-out against God or anything related to God.

Deep down inside humans - all humans - desire a connection with a higher power/cause.

PixieStix
10-08-2014, 11:50 AM
Amazing

Noir
10-08-2014, 11:53 AM
How about we just give in and make sharia the law of the land. Then we can see who really hates. Those who think Christianity is hatred. How about you make an actual point?

'If you think getting punched in the face once a week is bad, try getting kicked in the crouch every night, then you'll long to go back to you're weekly punch'
Seems a solid argument xD


Wonder if its generational-hatered. See, for decades - hundreds of years...thousands? "christianity" has been an absolutely dick to non-believers - notwithstanding the amazing efforts of individuals, organized 'christianity' is full of assholes.

I imagine that's part of the puzzle, to roughly paraphrase Christopher Hitchens - It's all very well the Christians coming to us now, meek, humble, and moderate, but we have the right to remember how they acted when they really did have power.

DLT
10-08-2014, 12:08 PM
Liberals support all that is bad, Dems, Gays, Muslims,
and also Perverts but then again I repeat myself.. ;)--Tyr

I've always thought that those that are anti-Christian are so because it inhibits their free and easy lifestyle. Christian values prohibit sleeping around and casual sex, homosexuality, stealing, and living off of someone else like a parasite. Lefties love living without such restraints. It would just be too inconvenient. Christian values also urges people to be generous with their own money. Lefties only like to be generous with other people's money. Being a Christian would mean that they would have to get off their ass and help someone else, instead of just themselves. It's too much trouble for most lefties to do that. So it's easier to just be against anything that might make them feeeel bad about themselves, their choices in life and their resultant lifestyle.

Also, being a Christian means that you actually DO believe that there will be consequences for anything bad that you do after you die. That, too, is a very inconvenient and uncomfortable thought for most lefties. It's much more satisfying for them to believe that they can do whatever they damned well please in this life and never fear or worry about the concept that when they die they will then pay for their dirty deeds and receive justice for their actions when alive. (JMO)

darin
10-08-2014, 12:26 PM
Christians are often hated because christians invent 'sins'. God is not a God of 'catching sinners'. God is a God of redemption, grace, and love.

God says don't have gay sex why? Because it's damaging.
God says don't lie why? Because it damages relationships.

Everything we have as a 'sin' is such ONLY because 'not doing' those things tends to give us happier lives. Doing those things doesn't alienate people from God's grace - just as our kids doing those things does not remove our love and support from parents.

Gunny
10-08-2014, 01:25 PM
Christians are often hated because christians invent 'sins'. God is not a God of 'catching sinners'. God is a God of redemption, grace, and love.

God says don't have gay sex why? Because it's damaging.
God says don't lie why? Because it damages relationships.

Everything we have as a 'sin' is such ONLY because 'not doing' those things tends to give us happier lives. Doing those things doesn't alienate people from God's grace - just as our kids doing those things does not remove our love and support from parents.

People that decry the hatred of other religions should look at their own, and what they post. Other side of the same coin. Preaching hatred and fear.

Shadow
10-08-2014, 02:43 PM
People that decry the hatred of other religions should look at their own, and what they post. Other side of the same coin. Preaching hatred and fear.
Or make broad brush statements like "only lefties sin". We of course all know that is false.

Gunny
10-08-2014, 02:48 PM
Or make broad brush statements like "only lefties sin". We of course all know that is false.

I sin every time I think about you.

:halounplugged:

Shadow
10-08-2014, 03:21 PM
I sin every time I think about you.

:halounplugged:
Heathen.

Gunny
10-08-2014, 03:25 PM
Heathen.

Am not. I take a bath once a month like everyone else. :)

gabosaurus
10-08-2014, 04:49 PM
Liberals support all that is bad, Dems, Gays, Muslims,
and also Perverts but then again I repeat myself.. ;)--Tyr

Why do so many conservatives who profess to be Christians refuse to obey God's commandments?

PixieStix
10-08-2014, 05:05 PM
Why do so many conservatives who profess to be Christians refuse to obey God's commandments?

Christians are not perfect, they are forgiven. By the only One that is perfect. Most Christians know this. Then you have various denominations that claim you must be or do this or that, in order to be forgiven or enter into Heaven. Those are false doctrines.

The simplicity of the gospel has been lost on most. Humans tend to complicate everything. They need to do things, in order for it to make sense.

It is only by the Holy Spirit that one can truly become born again. That, my friend is what gets lost in all of this

tailfins
10-08-2014, 05:11 PM
Why do so many conservatives who profess to be Christians refuse to obey God's commandments?


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As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

gabosaurus
10-08-2014, 05:11 PM
Christians are not perfect, they are forgiven. By the only One that is perfect. Most Christians know this. Then you have various denominations that claim you must be or do this or that, in order to be forgiven or enter into Heaven. Those are false doctrines.

The simplicity of the gospel has been lost on most. Humans tend to complicate everything. They need to do things, in order for it to make sense.

It is only by the Holy Spirit that one can truly become born again. That, my friend is what gets lost in all of this

Quite well stated! :clap:

hjmick
10-08-2014, 05:13 PM
Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?


Why do Christians care? Is their faith not enough? They need the approval of others? Why do so many work so hard to convert others? Are they lonely?


I suggest that people of faith would be better served if they worried less about why some people don't appreciate their beliefs and concentrated more on living the life they have chosen as it is taught to them in their religious institutions...

Gunny
10-08-2014, 05:31 PM
Why do Christians care? Is their faith not enough? They need the approval of others? Why do so many work so hard to convert others? Are they lonely?


I suggest that people of faith would be better served if they worried less about why some people don't appreciate their beliefs and concentrated more on living the life they have chosen as it is taught to them in their religious institutions...

Christians don't care, and our faith is enough.

Those who preach hate in the name of Christianity are hypocrites and liars. And yeah ... "that beam in your eye ...."