A GOP Plan To Oust Cheney

[stephanie]

:laugh2:


By Sally Quinn
Tuesday, June 26, 2007; 12:00 AM

The big question right now among Republicans is how to remove Vice President Cheney from office. Even before this week's blockbuster series in The Post, discontent in Republican ranks was rising.

As the reputed architect of the war in Iraq, Cheney is viewed as toxic, and as the administration's leading proponent of an attack on Iran, he is seen as dangerous. As long as he remains vice president, according to this thinking, he has the potential to drag down every member of the party -- including the presidential nominee -- in next year's elections.

Removing a sitting vice president is not easy, but this may be the moment. I remember Barry Goldwater sitting in my parents' living room in 1973, in the last days of Watergate, debating whether to lead a group of senior Republicans to the White House to tell President Nixon he had to go. His hesitation was that he felt loyalty to the president and the party. But in the end he felt a greater loyalty to his country, and he went to the White House.

Today, another group of party elders, led by Sen. John Warner of Virginia, could well do the same. They could act out of concern for our country's plummeting reputation throughout the world, particularly in the Middle East.

For such a plan to work, however, they would need a ready replacement. Until recently, there hasn't been an acceptable alternative to Cheney -- nor has there been a persuasive argument to convince President Bush to make a change. Now there is.

The idea is to install a vice president who could beat the Democratic nominee in 2008. It's unlikely that any of the top three Republican candidates -- former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, Sen. John McCain of Arizona or former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney -- would want the job, for fear that association with Bush's war would be the kiss of death.

Nor would any of them be that attractive to the president. Giuliani is too New York, too liberal. His reputation as a leader, forged on 9/11 and the days after, carries him only so far. McCain, who has always had a rocky relationship with the president, lost much of his support from moderate Democrats and independents (and from a fair amount of Republicans) when the Straight Talk Express started veering off course. And no matter what anyone says about how Romney's religion doesn't matter, being a Mormon is simply not acceptable to Bush's base. Several right-wing evangelicals have told me they don't see Mormons as "true Christians."

That leaves Fred Thompson. Everybody loves Fred. He has the healing qualities of Gerald Ford and the movie-star appeal of Ronald Reagan. He is relatively moderate on social issues. He has a reputation as a peacemaker and a compromiser. And he has a good sense of humor.

He could be just the partner to bring out Bush's better nature -- or at least be a sensible voice of reason. I could easily imagine him telling the president, "For God's sake, do not push that button!" -- a command I have a hard time hearing Cheney give.

Not only that, Thompson would give the Republicans a platform for running for the presidency -- and the president a way out of Iraq without looking like he's backing down. Bush would be left in better shape on the war and be able to concentrate on AIDS and the environment in hopes of salvaging his legacy.

Cheney is scheduled this summer for surgery to replace his pacemaker, which needs new batteries. So if the president is willing, and Republicans are able, they have a convenient reason to replace him: doctor's orders. And I'm sure the the vice president would also like to spend more time with his ever-expanding family.

The writer is co-host, with John Meacham, of On Faith, an online conversation about religion.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/25/AR2007062501038.html

[nevadamedic]

Vice President Cheney is a good man and a good VP. He is also President Bush's closes friend and top advisor, there is no way President Bush would go along with that. This is a power move by the Democrats to try and get a Republican in there that they can control. As far as Iran goes, Vice President Cheney is dead on and most Americans support going in there and cleaning house. If they get a nuclear bomb they will aim it right up our ass and we will have a tragedy more devistating then 9/11 would ever be.

[stephanie]

I think Sally Quinn musta woke up wet...after having this dream...:coffee:

[avatar4321]

If this is the big discussion among Republicans, why is this the first time we've heard of it?

And if Republicans wanted Cheney out, why wouldnt we just ask him to resign? That doesnt seem that difficult does it?

And if President Bush was going to replace Cheney, I dont think he would choose from any of the Presidential contenders because he doesnt want to choose sides. I doubt he would really care what his base thought. Seriously, he has alittle over a year and a half left. He isnt running for reelection. He would simply pick the person he thought was best and screw the base. i mean its not like he is paying much attention to them lately anyway.

And he especially wouldnt be stupid enough to put McCain in as Vice President. Why on earth would he want to give the Democrats another seat in the Senate? It just makes no sense.

Seriously, this has to be one of the most poorly written and analyzed pieces ive ever seen. They pay her for this crap?

[nevadamedic]

If this is the big discussion among Republicans, why is this the first time we've heard of it?

And if Republicans wanted Cheney out, why wouldnt we just ask him to resign? That doesnt seem that difficult does it?

And if President Bush was going to replace Cheney, I dont think he would choose from any of the Presidential contenders because he doesnt want to choose sides. I doubt he would really care what his base thought. Seriously, he has alittle over a year and a half left. He isnt running for reelection. He would simply pick the person he thought was best and screw the base. i mean its not like he is paying much attention to them lately anyway.

And he especially wouldnt be stupid enough to put McCain in as Vice President. Why on earth would he want to give the Democrats another seat in the Senate? It just makes no sense.

Seriously, this has to be one of the most poorly written and analyzed pieces ive ever seen. They pay her for this crap?

Give Democrats another seat in the Senate? What do you mean?

[Yurt]

Give Democrats another sear in the Senate? What do you mean?


And he especially wouldnt be stupid enough to put McCain in as Vice President. Why on earth would he want to give the Democrats another seat in the Senate? It just makes no sense.

;)

[avatar4321]

Give Democrats another sear in the Senate? What do you mean?

If McCain was appointed vice President, he would likely be replaced by the Democrat Governor with a Democrat appointee.. It would just be plain stupid to appoint him as Vice President and give up a vitally needed seat, even if he does vote against us half the time.

[nevadamedic]

If McCain was appointed vice President, he would likely be replaced by the Democrat Governor with a Democrat appointee.. It would just be plain stupid to appoint him as Vice President and give up a vitally needed seat, even if he does vote against us half the time.

I dunno that Democratic Senator who just passed got replaced with a Republican.

[GW in Ohio]

Vice President Cheney is a good man and a good VP. He is also President Bush's closes friend and top advisor, there is no way President Bush would go along with that. This is a power move by the Democrats to try and get a Republican in there that they can control. As far as Iran goes, Vice President Cheney is dead on and most Americans support going in there and cleaning house. If they get a nuclear bomb they will aim it right up our ass and we will have a tragedy more devistating then 9/11 would ever be.

Whoa, Babalooey......

A few corrections and clarifications:


Cheney a good man? Only his friends know that. He seems like an arrogant bully to me.
A good VP? BWAHAHAHAHA! You're joking. He's been the worst VP ever. He's also been the worst preident ever, since he's actually been running things. They gave Bush some video games and a few Duncan Superflyer yo-yo's for the Oval Office to keep him happy while Cheney ran things.
Most Americans do NOT support attacking Iran. We can't even handle the mess we created in Iraq.

[GW in Ohio]

I think Sally Quinn musta woke up wet...after having this dream...:coffee:

The plan makes a lot of sense. Cheney is toxic and Fred Thompson could become the front-runner for the White House if he were VP for a year.

The only problem is, it's Cheney's decision to make. He 's the most powerful Republican in the country. But I don't know if he's capable of coming to terms with how big a liability he is.

So he'll probably remain a giant anchor around the necks of GOP candidates.

[JimmyAteWorld]

I dunno that Democratic Senator who just passed got replaced with a Republican.

If I remember right, different states have different laws. In some, when a senator or representative has to be replaced they have to come from the same party. I don't believe Arizona is one of those states.

[JimmyAteWorld]

The plan makes a lot of sense. Cheney is toxic and Fred Thompson could become the front-runner for the White House if he were VP for a year.

The only problem is, it's Cheney's decision to make. He 's the most powerful Republican in the country. But I don't know if he's capable of coming to terms with how big a liability he is.

So he'll probably remain a giant anchor around the necks of GOP candidates.

Regardless of what you think of the plan, the point is it couldn't possibly be true. What would be the point in moving toward this now? If they wanted to dump Cheney, they would have done it three years ago.

[GW in Ohio]

Regardless of what you think of the plan, the point is it couldn't possibly be true. What would be the point in moving toward this now? If they wanted to dump Cheney, they would have done it three years ago.

Jimmy: It was not apparent 3 years ago that Cheney would turn out to be such a liability.

[nevadamedic]

Whoa, Babalooey......

A few corrections and clarifications:


Cheney a good man? Only his friends know that. He seems like an arrogant bully to me.
A good VP? BWAHAHAHAHA! You're joking. He's been the worst VP ever. He's also been the worst preident ever, since he's actually been running things. They gave Bush some video games and a few Duncan Superflyer yo-yo's for the Oval Office to keep him happy while Cheney ran things.
Most Americans do NOT support attacking Iran. We can't even handle the mess we created in Iraq.


What kind of drugs are you on? Almost every American realize that if Iran get's nuclear weapons the first thing they will do is fire one up our ass. As it is they are hurting our efforts in Iraq by supplying weapons to AQ. They also have violated every part of the Geniva Convenction.

[nevadamedic]

The plan makes a lot of sense. Cheney is toxic and Fred Thompson could become the front-runner for the White House if he were VP for a year.

The only problem is, it's Cheney's decision to make. He 's the most powerful Republican in the country. But I don't know if he's capable of coming to terms with how big a liability he is.

So he'll probably remain a giant anchor around the necks of GOP candidates.

Umm dipshit it's not his decision there are ways of removing him. Perhaps if you Democrats actually get an education you would know that.

[avatar4321]

Jimmy: It was not apparent 3 years ago that Cheney would turn out to be such a liability.

Its not apparent now that he is such a liability. In fact, there is absolutely no evidence that he is. But then i understand you guys dont really like evidence. That disrupts the mantra. "Bush lied.. .Cheney evil.. Michael moore good." Seriously its almost dumbfounding how you guys can completely ignore evidence and just keep repeating the same things over and over and think that somehow makes them true. its just crazy.

[glockmail]

What kind of drugs are you on? Almost every American realize that if Iran get's nuclear weapons the first thing they will do is fire one up our ass. ..... Wrong. The'y put it in a short range missle or truck and drive it over to Israel. Of course, that would make the Jew-hating Democrats happy.

[JohnDoe]

Umm dipshit it's not his decision there are ways of removing him. Perhaps if you Democrats actually get an education you would know that.


hmmmmm.....

outside of the congress impeaching him, and convicting him in the senate impeachment trial, there is no way to remove the vp of the usa.... other than him resigning. He can not be fired by the pres.

So, even if the president asked for his resignation, the vp does not have to comply, according to our constitution.

[emmett]

If it was true that there is a plan to get rid of Cheney it would not be necessary to undertake a "covert" scheme to do it. Our VP would resign if he thought he was not useful to the US. He is a patriot. What he is doing is hanging tough like he has always done in the face of adversity, the press, the dems and the bloggers.

The left dosen't possess enough of what Mr Cheney has to fill a 2oz Ny-Quil dosage cup.

Mr Cheney will finish his term and be instrumental in helping elect fred Thompson as the next president of the United States of America, Thank God!

[nevadamedic]

hmmmmm.....

outside of the congress impeaching him, and convicting him in the senate impeachment trial, there is no way to remove the vp of the usa.... other than him resigning. He can not be fired by the pres.

So, even if the president asked for his resignation, the vp does not have to comply, according to our constitution.

Being that Congress and the Senate are run by Liberals who could give a shit about our country, im sure they could pull it off.

[nevadamedic]

If it was true that there is a plan to get rid of Cheney it would not be necessary to undertake a "covert" scheme to do it. Our VP would resign if he thought he was not useful to the US. He is a patriot. What he is doing is hanging tough like he has always done in the face of adversity, the press, the dems and the bloggers.

The left dosen't possess enough of what Mr Cheney has to fill a 2oz Ny-Quil dosage cup.

Mr Cheney will finish his term and be instrumental in helping elect fred Thompson as the next president of the United States of America, Thank God!

:clap: Well said, you need to post more often. :clap:

[JohnDoe]

Being that Congress and the Senate are run by Liberals who could give a shit about our country, im sure they could pull it off.

They could pull off the House's part of the impeachment, because it only takes a majority to vote yes. But once the impeachment makes it to the trial stage in the Senate, it takes 2/3's of the Senate voting YES, to impeach.....

So, no matter what you think, Cheney would not be impeached by the Senate with enough votes to get him out of there....not if all of the republicans in the Senate were against doing such?

[KarlMarx]

You know... Democrats don't need porn to get off, really, they don't... all it takes is someone coming up with the latest impeachment scheme and the Democrats get erections... honest to God...

Move over Bubbles, T 'n A just doesn't do it for that crowd, you just start start talking impeachment to them and it's a weeklong wank fest in the media!

Democrats are just like Pavlov's dogs (Google it if you don't know what I mean), someone rings the "impeachment" bell and they all salivate in unison...

Honestly, Democrats make the latest bunch of UFO cover up conspiracy theorists look like Nobel Laureates....

Now, if I could only come up with a movie about George W Bush being assassinated, I'd make millions of off delirious liberal dingbats





oh, that's right, some left wing nut job already did!

I don't know about you but impeachment theories get tiresome after the first 10,000.

[GW in Ohio]

If it was true that there is a plan to get rid of Cheney it would not be necessary to undertake a "covert" scheme to do it. Our VP would resign if he thought he was not useful to the US. He is a patriot. What he is doing is hanging tough like he has always done in the face of adversity, the press, the dems and the bloggers.

The left dosen't possess enough of what Mr Cheney has to fill a 2oz Ny-Quil dosage cup.

Mr Cheney will finish his term and be instrumental in helping elect fred Thompson as the next president of the United States of America, Thank God!

Fred Thompson has more baggage than a bellhop at the New York Hilton. How many times has he been married? Three? Can't you guys come up with a candidate that will be more acceptable to the looney Christian fundamentalist wing of your party? They ain't gonna come out and vote for ol' Fred. You think they want to have his chickie-baby Hollywood wife as first lady?

I don't think so....

His face looks like 40 miles of bad road and the two hairs on top of his head are mighty lonely. Personally, I could care less about that stuff but the American voters tend to vote according to which guy has the most hair.

You guys are so desperate for a candidate....any candidate....that'lll stave off the nightmare spectre of living with President Hillary for the next 8 years, ain't cha?

But none of it's going to work. Here's your next chief executive.....

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Uuhm72mBelAk1M:http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Scary%2520Hillary%2520Clinton.jpg

[Abbey Marie]

Fred Thompson has more baggage than a bellhop at the New York Hilton. How many times has he been married? Three? Can't you guys come up with a candidate that will be more acceptable to the looney Christian fundamentalist wing of your party? They ain't gonna come out and vote for ol' Fred. You think they want to have his chickie-baby Hollywood wife as first lady?

I don't think so....

His face looks like 40 miles of bad road and the two hairs on top of his head are mighty lonely. Personally, I could care less about that stuff but the American voters tend to vote according to which guy has the most hair.

You guys are so desperate for a candidate....any candidate....that'lll stave off the nightmare spectre of living with President Hillary for the next 8 years, ain't cha?
But none of it's going to work. Here's your next chief executive.....

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Uuhm72mBelAk1M:http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Scary%2520Hillary%2520Clinton.jpg


I can't argue with the bolded sentence. :coffee:

[avatar4321]

You really want Hillary and more of the same old same old?

Any Republican, including that wacko Ron Paul, is better qualified to be President than Hillary Clinton. and once the campaign gets going its not going to be a contest.

[GW in Ohio]

You really want Hillary and more of the same old same old?

Any Republican, including that wacko Ron Paul, is better qualified to be President than Hillary Clinton. and once the campaign gets going its not going to be a contest.

Hillary isn't my top choice among the Dems. She's probably my 4th choice.

And if Ron Paul ran against her, Mr. Paul would have my vote.

But I'll still take Hillary over any the the top GOPer candidates.

[GW in Ohio]

Its not apparent now that he is such a liability. In fact, there is absolutely no evidence that he is. But then i understand you guys dont really like evidence. That disrupts the mantra. "Bush lied.. .Cheney evil.. Michael moore good." Seriously its almost dumbfounding how you guys can completely ignore evidence and just keep repeating the same things over and over and think that somehow makes them true. its just crazy.

It's apparent to everybody but right-wing wackos like yourself that Cheney is political poison. Watch how many GOPer candidates want to have Cheney beside them on the platform next year.

[avatar4321]

It's apparent to everybody but right-wing wackos like yourself that Cheney is political poison. Watch how many GOPer candidates want to have Cheney beside them on the platform next year.

Why would anyone care whether Cheney is beside them next year? its a new candidate. Cheney is probably excited to get out of DC.

[KarlMarx]

Fred Thompson has more baggage than a bellhop at the New York Hilton. How many times has he been married? Three? Can't you guys come up with a candidate that will be more acceptable to the looney Christian fundamentalist wing of your party? They ain't gonna come out and vote for ol' Fred. You think they want to have his chickie-baby Hollywood wife as first lady?

I don't think so....

His face looks like 40 miles of bad road and the two hairs on top of his head are mighty lonely. Personally, I could care less about that stuff but the American voters tend to vote according to which guy has the most hair.

You guys are so desperate for a candidate....any candidate....that'lll stave off the nightmare spectre of living with President Hillary for the next 8 years, ain't cha?


But none of it's going to work. Here's your next chief executive.....

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Uuhm72mBelAk1M:http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Scary%2520Hillary%2520Clinton.jpg
For your information, Fred Thompson's wife is not a Hollywood starlet, although she looks like one, she was an attorney and a political media consultant. One thing a Thompson presidency will have over a Clinton presidency, the first lady won't be baying at the moon.

Hillary so's ugly, when she was born, the doctor slapped her mother!

Now about that baggage, better to have more baggage than a hellhop than all of Eastern Airlines, Delta Airlines, Quantas, combined... Travelgate, Filegate, Whitewater, Vince Foster, bimbo eruptions.... a Clinton presidency has more intrigue than all the James Bond movies combined

P.S. If Hillary is elected president, we'll have to be sure she is locked up when the moon is full! Ah oooooooooo!!!!!!!!

[GW in Ohio]

Why would anyone care whether Cheney is beside them next year? its a new candidate. Cheney is probably excited to get out of DC.

I can't really tell whether you're playing dumb to avoid being wrong or whether you really don't know jack shit about politics.

In case it's the latter, here's some basic politics 101.....

An incumbent president and vp normally have great influence in their party. Next year's GOP candidates would normally want to have Bush and Cheney appear with them, as a way of saying, "Vote for this guy....he'lll continue the great work of our administration."

But Bush and Cheney are so unpopular....so discredited....nobody will want to be seen with them next year. GOP candidates won't even mention them and they'll do everything they can to put distance between them and Bush/Cheney.

[JimmyAteWorld]

Jimmy: It was not apparent 3 years ago that Cheney would turn out to be such a liability.

Cheney being a "liability" is your opinion, the opinion you've been told to have, or the opinion you think sounds good for this thread.

Three years ago there were rumblings that President Bush might replace Cheney as a running mate in the election so they would have a sitting VP who would then run for president, which Cheney had made clear he would not do. It didn't happen then, it won't happen now. It makes no sense whatsoever to replace him with only a year and a half or so left in the administration. None.

As for the suggested names for a replacement, it looks like it was written by someone that doesn't even follow what goes on and they saw the names in the paper. It makes even less sense than replacing Cheney to begin with.

[GW in Ohio]

Cheney being a "liability" is your opinion, the opinion you've been told to have, or the opinion you think sounds good for this thread.

Three years ago there were rumblings that President Bush might replace Cheney as a running mate in the election so they would have a sitting VP who would then run for president, which Cheney had made clear he would not do. It didn't happen then, it won't happen now. It makes no sense whatsoever to replace him with only a year and a half or so left in the administration. None.

As for the suggested names for a replacement, it looks like it was written by someone that doesn't even follow what goes on and they saw the names in the paper. It makes even less sense that replacing Cheney to begin with.

Being the political opponent of GOPers is easy. You guys just destroy yourselves.

By all means....


Never admit that Bush or Cheney are unpopular.
Never admit that Bush or Cheney did anything wrong.
Continue to tell everybody that the Iraq war is the right thing to do.
Continue to tell everybody that we're going to "win" in Iraq. (But be prepared for howls of derisive laughter.)

[nevadamedic]

Being the political opponent of GOPers is easy. You guys just destroy yourselves.

By all means....


Never admit that Bush or Cheney are unpopular.
Never admit that Bush or Cheney did anything wrong.
Continue to tell everybody that the Iraq war is the right thing to do.
Continue to tell everybody that we're going to "win" in Iraq. (But be prepared for howls of derisive laughter.)


You need to stop calling our troops loosers you pathetic piece of shit. You need to go spread your propaganda here at www.stormfront.org.

[GW in Ohio]

You need to stop calling our troops loosers you pathetic piece of shit. You need to go spread your propaganda here at www.stormfront.org.

First of all, Mr. FuckFace, I never, ever called our troops "losers." I have said that it's their misfortune to have a Commander in Chief who does not have a clue what he is doing.

I would say that I care more about our troops than you because I never would have put them in harm's war on a stupid shit mission like Iraq.

We've lost over 4,000 of our best people and thousands more have been damaged in one way or another because the CinC is a fucking moron and Cheney and Rumsfeld are cowardly assholes who send our people off on crazy ass missions while they sit at home in Washington drinking scotch in air conditioned comfort.

Oh, and by the way, fuck you.

:salute::fu::salute:

[glockmail]

For your information, Fred Thompson's wife is not a Hollywood starlet, although she looks like one, she was an attorney and a political media consultant. ......!!!!!!
Pictures, please!!!
:dance:

[avatar4321]

Being the political opponent of GOPers is easy. You guys just destroy yourselves.

By all means....


Never admit that Bush or Cheney are unpopular.
Never admit that Bush or Cheney did anything wrong.
Continue to tell everybody that the Iraq war is the right thing to do.
Continue to tell everybody that we're going to "win" in Iraq. (But be prepared for howls of derisive laughter.)


1. No one is saying they arent unpopular. But considering the hatchet job you guys have been trying to do on them its impressive they are doing as well as they are. So nice straw man.

2. You are just intellectually dishonest if you have been on this board at all and are claiming this. If you dont believe me just check out any of the 20 or so threads on the Amnesty bill.

3. It was the right thing to do. There were multiple reasons for it and simply because things are tough doesnt mean those reasons still arent valid. Of course you are probably one of the libs trying to pretend as though there were no reasons.

4. And other than the fact that you dont want the troops to do well in Iraq, what reasons do we have to believe our troops cant handle it?? We lost more troops in one day of training for DDay and yet we won WW2. Maybe you should think for yourself rather than listen to what the media tells you. But then that would require not being a mind numbed robot.

[glockmail]

....
2. You are just intellectually dishonest if you have been on this board at all and are claiming this. If you dont believe me just check out any of the 20 or so threads on the Amnesty bill......


Its been obvious for a long time now that GW from Ohio is intellectually dishonest, perhaps even barren. He is nothing more than a drive-by bomb thrower, and is never able to defend his POV.

[GW in Ohio]

Its been obvious for a long time now that GW from Ohio is intellectually dishonest, perhaps even barren. He is nothing more than a drive-by bomb thrower, and is never able to defend his POV.

"Intellectually dishonest" my ass.

Not one of you has the honesty to admit that the Iraq war was a mistake.

I won't even ask you to admit that it was a horrible mistake, or the worst error in judgment in American history, just that it was a bad decision.

You guys are so imbued with this bullshit-macho mindset, you think we can "win" in Iraq if we just persist, and keep sending our young people over there.

Fuck that. There is no "winning" in Iraq. The best thing we could do would be to cut our losses and get out. There will be chaos in Iraq when we leave, whether we leave tomorrow or in 10 years.

Hell, there's chaos there now. And we precipitated it, by toppling the asshole in charge.

[glockmail]

"Intellectually dishonest" my ass.

Not one of you has the honesty to admit that the Iraq war was a mistake.

I won't even ask you to admit that it was a horrible mistake, or the worst error in judgment in American history, just that it was a bad decision.

You guys are so imbued with this bullshit-macho mindset, you think we can "win" in Iraq if we just persist, and keep sending our young people over there.

Fuck that. There is no "winning" in Iraq. The best thing we could do would be to cut our losses and get out. There will be chaos in Iraq when we leave, whether we leave tomorrow or in 10 years.

Hell, there's chaos there now. And we precipitated it, by toppling the asshole in charge.

Since I challenged your very existance on this Board may I assume that this is the best argument that you have?

During WW2 there were those who asserted that FDR screwed up as well. We lost a lot more boys then then we have now.

No, the way I see it you are merely a product of the sissifying of America. Weak in courage, patriotism, and intellect.

[GW in Ohio]

Since I challenged your very existance on this Board may I assume that this is the best argument that you have?

During WW2 there were those who asserted that FDR screwed up as well. We lost a lot more boys then then we have now.

No, the way I see it you are merely a product of the sissifying of America. Weak in courage, patriotism, and intellect.

You actually are comparing Iraq to World War II?

And those of us who say the Iraq invasion was a bad decision are "a product of the sissifying of America. Weak in courage, patriotism, and intellect"?

I guess you are entitled to your opinion.

[OCA]

Jimmy: It was not apparent 3 years ago that Cheney would turn out to be such a liability.

Please explain how Cheney is a liability.

[GW in Ohio]

Please explain how Cheney is a liability.

I feel like I'm conversing with some guy during a downpour who says, "Please explain to me just why you believe it's raining."

Okay, let's try this......

Have you looked at Bush's approval numbers lately?

I guess the response would be: "Polls? You actually believe the polls?"

Well, yeah. I guess I do. Guess that makes me a dupe of the liberal media, huh?

[OCA]

I feel like I'm conversing with some guy during a downpour who says, "Please explain to me just why you believe it's raining."

Okay, let's try this......

Have you looked at Bush's approval numbers lately?

I guess the response would be: "Polls? You actually believe the polls?"

Well, yeah. I guess I do. Guess that makes me a dupe of the liberal media, huh?

You ever back up your pov's with anything but bullshit?

I keep hoping for better from you but.........I guess i'm just an optimist.

Hey, when Bubba was raining bombs on Belgrade I guess he wasn't sipping on scotch in an air conditioned room, right?

[KarlMarx]

Pictures, please!!!
:dance:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/sag/sag_awards_2004_photos/fred_thompson/sag.jpg

So we have Jeri Thompson, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Laura Ingraham on our side --- va va va voom!

The leftists have Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Cindy Sheehan --- bow wow!

[Hagbard Celine]

Damn...she's a milf. She can be my First Lady anytime. Heh heh heh.

[glockmail]

You actually are comparing Iraq to World War II?

And those of us who say the Iraq invasion was a bad decision are "a product of the sissifying of America. Weak in courage, patriotism, and intellect"?

I guess you are entitled to your opinion.
Yes I am. And you are entitled to yours, which is cowardly, unpatriotic, and intellectually weak.

[glockmail]

Damn...she's a milf. She can be my First Lady anytime. Heh heh heh. Why do you think Fred's got a smile on his face?

Damn her face looks like she's 20. How old is she?

[JohnDoe]

So what have we got here Ladies and Gentlemen?

With Rudy, Newt, and Thompson, we've got 9 marriages between them?

Then there is Hillary, Obama, and Edwards who have only been married once?

This just ain't right?

Can't be?

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

:poke:

[Abbey Marie]

...
They ain't gonna come out and vote for ol' Fred. You think they want to have his chickie-baby Hollywood wife as first lady?

I don't think so....

His face looks like 40 miles of bad road and the two hairs on top of his head are mighty lonely. Personally, I could care less about that stuff but the American voters tend to vote according to which guy has the most hair.
...


You are so obssessed with the superficial.
And I just looked at Mrs.Thompson's pic, and she looks quite elegant. I don't see where you are getting this "chickie baby" idea.

[GW in Ohio]

You are so obssessed with the superficial.
And I just looked at Mrs.Thompson's pic, and she looks quite elegant. I don't see where you are getting this "chickie baby" idea.

I'll retract my statement about Fred's wife being a Hollywood bimbo; she is not.

However, how do you think ol' Fred is gonna play with Clyde and Lurleen out in Beulah Land....folks who believe every frickin' word in the Bible is literally true....

I think Fred might be a little too Hollywood for them. Maybe they stay home next November.

Or maybe some right-wing Christian wacko like Pat Robertson takes it into his head to run because the Lord told him to do it.

Maybe that siphons off the Clyde and Lurleen vote......

Hmmmmmmm?

[JohnDoe]

Fred does have what some would call a "trophey wife", (at least 20 years his younger and not his first wife).

I don't think it will bid well with many middle aged women, whether they are Christian or not! :D

[OCA]

I'll retract my statement about Fred's wife being a Hollywood bimbo; she is not.

However, how do you think ol' Fred is gonna play with Clyde and Lurleen out in Beulah Land....folks who believe every frickin' word in the Bible is literally true....

I think Fred might be a little too Hollywood for them. Maybe they stay home next November.

Or maybe some right-wing Christian wacko like Pat Robertson takes it into his head to run because the Lord told him to do it.

Maybe that siphons off the Clyde and Lurleen vote......

Hmmmmmmm?

Boy you gotta alot of fucking maybes, I kinda think Thompson has got you scared that your dream of living in Hitlery's socialist utopia might not happen.

[glockmail]

So what have we got here Ladies and Gentlemen?

With Rudy, Newt, and Thompson, we've got 9 marriages between them?

Then there is Hillary, Obama, and Edwards who have only been married once?

This just ain't right?

Can't be?

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

:poke:

Despite your obvious condescension you do have a point. I would like to know the circumstances behind Thompson’s divorce.

I would weigh this against the sham marriage of the Clintons. Its obvious that the only reason Hillary swallowed her feminist roots and didn’t kick out philandering Bill is for people like you to make the point that you just did.

[GW in Ohio]

Despite your obvious condescension you do have a point. I would like to know the circumstances behind Thompson’s divorce.

I would weigh this against the sham marriage of the Clintons. Its obvious that the only reason Hillary swallowed her feminist roots and didn’t kick out philandering Bill is for people like you to make the point that you just did.

Clyde and Lurleen don't hold with no divorce. Maybe they be votin' for those who keep sacred the marriage bond.

Fer instance......

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:_-Zlnm_KOJrOKM:http://www.mcwdn.org/GOVERNMENT/mdf142875.jpg

[OCA]

Clyde and Lurleen don't hold with no divorce. Maybe they be votin' for those who keep sacred the marriage bond.

Fer instance......

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:_-Zlnm_KOJrOKM:http://www.mcwdn.org/GOVERNMENT/mdf142875.jpg

Hillary nor Obama can carry 1 southern state. They don't vote for socialist feminists or Blacks no matter their marriage status.

That is why neither of those two can win a general election, deal with that fact.

[GW in Ohio]

Hillary nor Obama can carry 1 southern state. They don't vote for socialist feminists or Blacks no matter their marriage status.

That is why neither of those two can win a general election, deal with that fact.

You never know, Bubba. Things change in politics overnight. Yesterday's truisms get discarded like today's underwear.....

[OCA]

You never know, Bubba. Things change in politics overnight. Yesterday's truisms get discarded like today's underwear.....


It hasn't changed in 250 years, don't see it changing next year...........gomer.

[GW in Ohio]

It hasn't changed in 250 years, don't see it changing next year...........gomer.

"American politics hasn't changed in 250 years........"

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph....

And you guys wonder why you're getting your asses kicked in elections these days.

You are not only completely out of it, you're proud of it.

(By the way, lots has changed in American politics in 250 years. Maybe we could catch you up on things gradually. Maybe we'll start with the Industrial Revolution.....or the War Between the States......)

[OCA]

"American politics hasn't changed in 250 years........"

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph....

And you guys wonder why you're getting your asses kicked in elections these days.

You are not only completely out of it, you're proud of it.

(By the way, lots has changed in American politics in 250 years. Maybe we could catch you up on things gradually. Maybe we'll start with the Industrial Revolution.....or the War Between the States......)

What a fucking retard. I'm talking about southern voting patterns and he's talking American politics on the whole. You sure you aren't fucking handicapped mentally?

BTW 1 election and you are kicking our asses? You are stupider than the board general consensus says.

[GW in Ohio]

What a fucking retard. I'm talking about southern voting patterns and he's talking American politics on the whole. You sure you aren't fucking handicapped mentally?

BTW 1 election and you are kicking our asses? You are stupider than the board general consensus says.

Not only does your avatar look like a dog turd with sour cream on top, you're a nasty sumbitch to boot.

There ain't nothin' likeable about you.

And by the way, eat shit and die.

Thank you.

[glockmail]

Not only does your avatar look like a dog turd with sour cream on top, you're a nasty sumbitch to boot.

There ain't nothin' likeable about you.

And by the way, eat shit and die.

Thank you.

It's painfully obvious that OCA had you for breakfast. :laugh2:

[GW in Ohio]

It's painfully obvious that OCA had you for breakfast. :laugh2:

A couple things I've observed from interacting with the conservatives here:


Many of you are preoccupied with "winning" and "losing." This isn't a "contest," kids; it's a discussion forum. The only "losers" are people who take it a bit too seriously.
Many of you see the world through rose-colored glasses. You always think you come out on top in your interactions with your liberal brethren. And you also always tend to think things are just peachy for Republicans. When I point out that Bush's approval ratings are hovering at or below 30%, one of you will respond that polls are meaningless and another will chime in with some drivel about "doing the right thing isn't always popular."


Far be it from me to cast doubt on your cherished notions of your own superiority and the success of the GOPers in Washington. But if you think Repubs took an ass-kicking in '06, I think the worst is yet to come.

[glockmail]

A couple things I've observed from interacting with the conservatives here:


Many of you are preoccupied with "winning" and "losing." This isn't a "contest," kids; it's a discussion forum. The only "losers" are people who take it a bit too seriously.
Many of you see the world through rose-colored glasses. You always think you come out on top in your interactions with your liberal brethren. And you also always tend to think things are just peachy for Republicans. When I point out that Bush's approval ratings are hovering at or below 30%, one of you will respond that polls are meaningless and another will chime in with some drivel about "doing the right thing isn't always popular."


Far be it from me to cast doubt on your cherished notions of your own superiority and the success of the GOPers in Washington. But if you think Repubs took an ass-kicking in '06, I think the worst is yet to come.

In a debate forum, winning means being right. So far you have been wrong nearly always. And when challenged on a point you have shown the propensity for running away.

Take your latest example of Bush’s approval ratings. This is still much higher than the Democrat-controlled Congress, a fact that you continue to ignore.

[GW in Ohio]

In a debate forum, winning means being right. So far you have been wrong nearly always. And when challenged on a point you have shown the propensity for running away.

Take your latest example of Bush’s approval ratings. This is still much higher than the Democrat-controlled Congress, a fact that you continue to ignore.

No, I'll concede your point about the low approval ratings for Congress. That could be a problem for the Dems if it continues into next year. But all they need to do is cobble together some legislation.....on immigration reform.....on getting the fuck out of Iraq.....

Doesn't matter if Bush vetos it, they'll still be able to say they could have accomplished great things if it weren't for the obstructionist chief executive.

[glockmail]

No, I'll concede your point about the low approval ratings for Congress. That could be a problem for the Dems if it continues into next year. But all they need to do is cobble together some legislation.....on immigration reform.....on getting the fuck out of Iraq.....

Doesn't matter if Bush vetos it, they'll still be able to say they could have accomplished great things if it weren't for the obstructionist chief executive.

That's a good idea- go with that. Let the American people know that you think that they are safer if we run away from a fight.

You truly have no idea of the mindset of Islamists.

[OCA]

Not only does your avatar look like a dog turd with sour cream on top, you're a nasty sumbitch to boot.

There ain't nothin' likeable about you.

And by the way, eat shit and die.

Thank you.


Shit somebody got a toothpick? I seem to have gotten some of Ohio in my teeth when I ate him alive for lunch.

[MtnBiker]

Not only does your avatar look like a dog turd with sour cream on top, you're a nasty sumbitch to boot.

There ain't nothin' likeable about you.

And by the way, eat shit and die.

Thank you.


I love Gyros!! I think I will go out and have one in honor of OCA!

[OCA]

No, I'll concede your point about the low approval ratings for Congress. That could be a problem for the Dems if it continues into next year. But all they need to do is cobble together some legislation.....on immigration reform.....on getting the fuck out of Iraq.....

Doesn't matter if Bush vetos it, they'll still be able to say they could have accomplished great things if it weren't for the obstructionist chief executive.

Yeah, keep believing that Americans want to wave the white flag of surrender.....LMFAO!

[OCA]

I love Gyros!! I think I will go out and have one in honor of OCA!

Everytime I deliver the knockout blow to this punk and he can't make the 10 count he says something stupid about my avatar. Guess he wasn't class validictorian, eh?

[JimmyAteWorld]

Being the political opponent of GOPers is easy. You guys just destroy yourselves.

By all means....


Never admit that Bush or Cheney are unpopular.
Never admit that Bush or Cheney did anything wrong.
Continue to tell everybody that the Iraq war is the right thing to do.
Continue to tell everybody that we're going to "win" in Iraq. (But be prepared for howls of derisive laughter.)


Not much need to respond to most of this crap as others have already done it for me. I will point out that including me in "you guys" is incorrect as I am not a Republican. I do find your statement ironic considering the alternative party. I have come to believe the reason so many Democrats favor gun control is so they will stop shooting themselves in the foot.

Of course, all of that is beside the point as nothing you have posted in this thread really has anything to do with the subject. That being the legitimacy of the story written by this "reporter", or whatever she considers herself.

[GW in Ohio]

Not much need to respond to most of this crap as others have already done it for me. I will point out that including me in "you guys" is incorrect as I am not a Republican. I do find your statement ironic considering the alternative party. I have come to believe the reason so many Democrats favor gun control is so they will stop shooting themselves in the foot.

Of course, all of that is beside the point as nothing you have posted in this thread really has anything to do with the subject. That being the legitimacy of the story written by this "reporter", or whatever she considers herself.

Jimmy: Didn't mean to lump anyone into the Republican pudding who didn't belong......my apologies.

But my point is a valid one, namely, that the rank and file GOPers have the same problem as their fearless leaders.....they can't admit that Bush and Cheney have fucked things up royally. They will not admit that Iraq was a horrible error in judgment. They keep insisting that if we just keep pouring men and money into Iraq, things will get better.

Another thing they refuse to admit is that the rest of the country is simply bypassing them. The shellacking Republicans took at the polls in '06 was a direct result of Bush's unpopular war.

Those Republicans who decide to stick by Bush will get voted out next year. You can already see Republicans in the House and Senate breaking ranks and repudiating Bush's policies.