Britain to investigate Sharia courts, crack down on extremist preachers

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://news.yahoo.com/britain-investigate-sharia-courts-crack-down-extremist-preachers-134103309.html


Britain to investigate Sharia courts, crack down on extremist preachers

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Reuters

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LONDON (Reuters) - Britain will introduce measures to counter Islamist extremism, including an investigation into Sharia courts and a crackdown on incendiary preachers, if Prime Minister David Cameron's Conservatives win May's election, Home Secretary Theresa May said on Monday.





May said Britain would no longer tolerate those who rejected the country's values of democracy, free speech, equality and the rule of law, adding that Islamist extremism presented the most serious and widespread problem.

"To those who choose consciously to reject our values and the basic principles of our society, the message is ... clear: the game is up," she said in a speech in London. "We will no longer tolerate your behavior."

Britain has wrestled with how to deal with extremism and radicalization among its 2.8 million Muslims since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

The issue came to the fore after suicide bombings on the London transport system in 2005 and the murder of a British soldier in 2013 by young British Islamists, while recently some 600 Britons have traveled to fight in Iraq and Syria including "Jihadi John", suspected of being the most notorious executioner of Islamic State radicals who have occupied swathes of Iraq and Syria.

May said not all extremism led to terrorism, but that those who spread hatred had to be tackled and she called for Muslims to join "a partnership" to defeat extremists.

Measures she said would be brought in under a Conservative government included bans for groups which fell short of current terrorism proscription orders, closure orders to shut down premises owned or used by extremists and extremism disruption orders to target individuals who incite hatred.

There would also be an independent figure commissioned to investigate the use of Islamic law by Sharia councils, used to settle family and inheritance disputes by some British Muslims.

The Conservatives have already pledged to beef up security measures as part of their commitments ahead of the May 7 general election, which pollsters say could be one of the closest for decades.

Recognizing that there were those who disagreed with her approach, May said she wanted to defeat all forms of extremism, including far-right ideology, and that promoting British values was not narrow-minded or jingoistic.

"The starting point of the new strategy is the emphatic rejection of the misconception that in a liberal democracy like Britain, 'anything goes' - the belief that living in a society like ours means there aren't really any fundamental rules of norms," she added.

(Reporting by Michael Holden; editing by Stephen Addison)




Britain has wrestled with how to deal with extremism and radicalization among its 2.8 million Muslims since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really! 14 damn years to discover what I saw and knew in mere seconds!--Tyr


The issue came to the fore after suicide bombings on the London transport system in 2005 and the murder of a British soldier in 2013 by young British Islamists, while recently some 600 Britons have traveled to fight in Iraq and Syria including "Jihadi John", suspected of being the most notorious executioner of Islamic State radicals who have occupied swathes of Iraq and Syria.

Really! 10 damn years after experiencing it firsthand. These leftists/libs are about as smart as a box of rocks..
And who wants to bet its all smack talk and no real action coming forth?
Start deporting every muslim in the nation. Start with the openly hardliners first. Then deport all of them..
Not a feasible plan many will cry out--ok then let them just enslave and murder all of you--is that more feasible and appetizing?
Because that's exactly what they plan you ffing idiots!!! -Tyr

[Drummond]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really! 14 damn years to discover what I saw and knew in mere seconds!--Tyr



Really! 10 damn years after experiencing it firsthand. These leftists/libs are about as smart as a box of rocks..
And who wants to bet its all smack talk and no real action coming forth?
Start deporting every muslim in the nation. Start with the openly hardliners first. Then deport all of them..
Not a feasible plan many will cry out--ok then let them just enslave and murder all of you--is that more feasible and appetizing?
Because that's exactly what they plan you ffing idiots!!! -Tyr

Well said, Tyr, as always.

But you have to remember the context all of this comes from ... a totally insisted-upon mindset which says that 'mainstream Islam is peaceful'. Note the phrase 'Islamist EXTREMISM'. That qualifier 'EXTREMISM' will always appear, in Government pronouncements and in UK media reporting, to make sure that the psychological effect of marginalising it AWAY from the 'mainstream perception' is always in play.

Theresa May, right along with her Party, her Government, and the British Establishment generally (not to mention the media) all argue from that central premise. They absolutely refuse to see Islam in any other terms. So, no matter how welcome these latest pronouncements are, they are STILL made with it in mind, and insisted upon, that manifestations of 'extremism' come from a fringe breakaway from 'mainstream' Islam.

I've been listening to debates on the radio today. On Sharia courts, the line is being pushed that Sharia rulings are non-binding, that those subject to them need only consider them to be a form of 'guide'. That's in defiance of a BBC investigation some time ago, which showed that Muslims consider such Councils to have greater authority over them than any OTHER authority, even native law !

You know what's the most shocking reality ? This PC-blindness, these days, comes from our CONSERVATIVES. British Conservatives, now, are no less signed up to these delusions than were the Socialists before them.

And this is a double-edged sword in any case. All of this is thought of as part of an anti-'hatespeech' set of imperatives. When strong anti-hatespeech legislation really came to the fore, it was to counter clerics such as Abu Hamza (now imprisoned in the US on terrorist issues). But Islamists used 'hatespeech legislation to insist that criticism of THEM amounted to it as well ... and, on balance, they have done better out of it than anyone else.

So, my guess is that, with 'hatespeech' being the driving motivation, somehow Muslims will find a way of turning this in their favour ... in some way or other.

In reality, Tyr, deportations of Muslims, on the basis of their being Muslims, could never happen. It'd amount, in itself, to an illegal act. Even if it wasn't seen as such by British law, the EU would insist that by THEIR authority, it would have to be. In any case, any EU Muslim citizen has as much right to freedom of travel and domicile in any EU State as any other EU citizen, so again, legally, it could never happen.

Yes, Tyr, our Lefties have been busy over the past couple of decades. Having created the social climate they wanted, having passed their deferential laws, they've locked everyone into the mindset that cannot resist pro-Muslim wishes without adverse consequences being triggered. Our Conservatives go along with it, and cannot do otherwise if they want to avoid political suicide.

The key to the US avoiding such a nightmare is TO KEEP SOCIALISTS AWAY FROM POWER. The UK has been infested with Socialist Administrations, periodically, over several decades .. so, the damage is done. A recognition that Socialism is pure poison HAS to permeate the US Public, sufficiently so for Socialists to be denied the power to do do you, what they've done to us !

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Well said, Tyr, as always.

But you have to remember the context all of this comes from ... a totally insisted-upon mindset which says that 'mainstream Islam is peaceful'. Note the phrase 'Islamist EXTREMISM'. That qualifier 'EXTREMISM' will always appear, in Government pronouncements and in UK media reporting, to make sure that the psychological effect of marginalising it AWAY from the 'mainstream perception' is always in play.

Theresa May, right along with her Party, her Government, and the British Establishment generally (not to mention the media) all argue from that central premise. They absolutely refuse to see Islam in any other terms. So, no matter how welcome these latest pronouncements are, they are STILL made with it in mind, and insisted upon, that manifestations of 'extremism' come from a fringe breakaway from 'mainstream' Islam.

I've been listening to debates on the radio today. On Sharia courts, the line is being pushed that Sharia rulings are non-binding, that those subject to them need only consider them to be a form of 'guide'. That's in defiance of a BBC investigation some time ago, which showed that Muslims consider such Councils to have greater authority over them than any OTHER authority, even native law !

You know what's the most shocking reality ? This PC-blindness, these days, comes from our CONSERVATIVES. British Conservatives, now, are no less signed up to these delusions than were the Socialists before them.

And this is a double-edged sword in any case. All of this is thought of as part of an anti-'hatespeech' set of imperatives. When strong anti-hatespeech legislation really came to the fore, it was to counter clerics such as Abu Hamza (now imprisoned in the US on terrorist issues). But Islamists used 'hatespeech legislation to insist that criticism of THEM amounted to it as well ... and, on balance, they have done better out of it than anyone else.

So, my guess is that, with 'hatespeech' being the driving motivation, somehow Muslims will find a way of turning this in their favour ... in some way or other.

In reality, Tyr, deportations of Muslims, on the basis of their being Muslims, could never happen. It'd amount, in itself, to an illegal act. Even if it wasn't seen as such by British law, the EU would insist that by THEIR authority, it would have to be. In any case, any EU Muslim citizen has as much right to freedom of travel and domicile in any EU State as any other EU citizen, so again, legally, it could never happen.

Yes, Tyr, our Lefties have been busy over the past couple of decades. Having created the social climate they wanted, having passed their deferential laws, they've locked everyone into the mindset that cannot resist pro-Muslim wishes without adverse consequences being triggered. Our Conservatives go along with it, and cannot do otherwise if they want to avoid political suicide.

The key to the US avoiding such a nightmare is TO KEEP SOCIALISTS AWAY FROM POWER. The UK has been infested with Socialist Administrations, periodically, over several decades .. so, the damage is done. A recognition that Socialism is pure poison HAS to permeate the US Public, sufficiently so for Socialists to be denied the power to do do you, what they've done to us !

Too late my friend, 6 years of Obama prove that. The socialists/libs/leftists have their man in charge wrecking havoc and engaging in treason now..
Every weakness created for this nation by Obama is a blow struck for Islam! A fact..-Tyr

[Drummond]

Too late my friend, 6 years of Obama prove that. The socialists/libs/leftists have their man in charge wrecking havoc and engaging in treason now..
Every weakness created for this nation by Obama is a blow struck for Islam! A fact..-Tyr

I don't think you've reached a point of no return .. unlike the UK.

Here's a thought. The very fact that you thought it possible to mass-deport Muslims suggests to me that citizens of the US don't have familiarity with a State system in which such an action was / has been rendered totally impossible. The UK reached that point a long time ago.

We've got the twin handicap of PC thinking enshrined in UK law, combined with legal duties to European law.

See this. A 'hatespeech preacher' named Abu Qatada came to Britain. He had terrorist charges against him, but sought refuge here in the UK. Theresa May was keen to be rid of him, seeing him (quite apart from the issue of charges) as a threat to British security. So, why wasn't this a simple case of deportation ? After all .. he wasn't even a British citizen, other powers wanted him in their custody, and furthermore, he was a Benefits scrounger, living off of the British taxpayer, the very people he'd argue were his enemies !

He was - ultimately - deported, after a TWELVE YEAR battle to arrange it.

Yes ... the EU Court of Human Rights stymied our efforts !

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/413459/Human-Rights-Act-held-up-Abu-Qatada-s-exit-says-Theresa-May


The Home Secretary was cheered by Tory backbenchers as she detailed the struggle before the fanatical Islamist preacher was sent back to Jordan.

She blamed a “crazy interpretation of human rights laws” for blocking his exit. And she refused to rule out British withdrawal from the court based in Strasbourg, France, to stop future deportation cases dragging on.

Mrs May said: “Qatada would have been deported long ago had the European Court not moved the goalposts by establishing new, unprecedented legal grounds on which it blocked his deportation.

“I have made clear my views that the Human Rights Act must be scrapped. We must also consider our relationship with the European Court very carefully. I believe all options, including withdrawing altogether, should remain.

“The deportation of Abu Qatada has taken 12 years and cost over £1.7million in legal fees for both sides. That is not acceptable to the public and it is not acceptable to me. We must make sure that it never happens again.”

She hinted that Lib Dems were blocking attempts to curb meddling by Strasbourg. Not one Lib Dem MP was in the Commons to hear her statement.

Labour’s Yvette Cooper conceded that Qatada’s exit to face trial was “a good result”.

Tyr, we're not talking about 'just any' Muslim, but an internationally-known supporter of Osama bin Laden. But we couldn't deport that trash for TWELVE YEARS.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I don't think you've reached a point of no return .. unlike the UK.

Here's a thought. The very fact that you thought it possible to mass-deport Muslims suggests to me that citizens of the US don't have familiarity with a State system in which such an action was / has been rendered totally impossible. The UK reached that point a long time ago.

We've got the twin handicap of PC thinking enshrined in UK law, combined with legal duties to European law.

See this. A 'hatespeech preacher' named Abu Qatada came to Britain. He had terrorist charges against him, but sought refuge here in the UK. Theresa May was keen to be rid of him, seeing him (quite apart from the issue of charges) as a threat to British security. So, why wasn't this a simple case of deportation ? After all .. he wasn't even a British citizen, other powers wanted him in their custody, and furthermore, he was a Benefits scrounger, living off of the British taxpayer, the very people he'd argue were his enemies !

He was - ultimately - deported, after a TWELVE YEAR battle to arrange it.

Yes ... the EU Court of Human Rights stymied our efforts !

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/413459/Human-Rights-Act-held-up-Abu-Qatada-s-exit-says-Theresa-May



Tyr, we're not talking about 'just any' Muslim, but an internationally-known supporter of Osama bin Laden. But we couldn't deport that trash for TWELVE YEARS.

I see that you make a valid point. I had recently come to the conclusion that Britain will fall no matter what and here is why.
Its either too late now or will be very , very soon and there is no major nor even a minor campaign to execute the absolutely needed very harsh measures to save the nation!!
The sheep are 3/4 the way led to slaughter and they are still blinded to that reality!
A tragic and sad truth, nothing but extreme measures will even have a chance of saving Britain and Britain will not even execute even minor measures of deportation and criminalization of Islam.
To survive the deportation must start right now and they will not!
Churchill must be rolling over in his grave seeing what he saved is now cheerfully being given to ffkking maggots feeding on a live carcass!!-Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

I see that you make a valid point. I had recently come to the conclusion that Britain will fall no matter what and here is why.
Its either too late now or will be very , very soon and there is no major nor even a minor campaign to execute the absolutely needed very harsh measures to save the nation!!
The sheep are 3/4 the way led to slaughter and they are still blinded to that reality!
A tragic and sad truth, nothing but extreme measures will even have a chance of saving Britain and Britain will not even execute even minor measures of deportation and criminalization of Islam.
To survive the deportation must start right now and they will not!
Churchill must be rolling over in his grave seeing what he saved is now cheerfully being given to ffkking maggots feeding on a live carcass!!-Tyr


~ "To survive the deportation must start right now and they will not!" ~

.......muslims love ridiculous western "Liberal" political correctness ....they will use it to bend laws for their gain....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

~ "To survive the deportation must start right now and they will not!" ~

.......muslims love ridiculous western "Liberal" political correctness ....they will use it to bend laws for their gain....

And why shouldn't they? Despite any and all claims to the contrary THEY ARE AT WAR WITH US--WITH EVERY DAMN NON-MUSLIM!
They do plan on killing, converting or enslaving every non-muslim.
Are we going to just let them breed into the vast majority then execute fully their plan?
Why yes, we are! For they and their allies/appeasers propose doing exactly that and keep the Islam is a religion of peace lie alive despite muslims waging war around the globe.
The lie is --"they are not real muslims"!!
How ffing ridiculous, they eat goat, bang camels, murder infidels, and enslave their women--so what exactly is not muslim about them?
Myself, I am just as damn sick of their freaking dumbass appeasers.
I think those damn appeasers need to be dealt with first.. --Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

Myself, I am just as damn sick of their freaking dumbass appeasers.
I think those damn appeasers need to be dealt with first.. --Tyr


`Absolutely!...Liberalism makes all bad things possible ...and is GO-fuel for muslim "koran reading" terrorists.....This is why leftist (and Fools) fear Ted Cruz....he can... squash and piss on their political correctness garbage..`

[Drummond]

.. But you see, folks ... here's the point. The UK is - and has been, for ages - locked into a legislative straitjacket (.. as befits the Leftie-constructed madhouse that it is ..) which rules out any possibility of the sorts of deportations you're discussing. Qatada, and others like him, can use our legal system to forestall or entirely prevent their being ousted from our shores. Qatada WAS deported, but after TWELVE YEARS of such wrangling .. and only THEN because the European Courts ruled against him.

And this is the position on known and active enemies of the State !!! How much MORE impossible would it be to deport Muslims where the evidence wasn't quite as clear cut ?

If any Government tried it, it would be in defiance of British law. If we tried to pass laws which substituted for them, (a) no MP would support the Bills brought forward to enact them, (b) the press, human rights organisations etc would create holy hell against such moves, (c) it'd be electoral suicide for any Party trying it, (d) we'd be overruled immediately by the EU, and (f) no doubt the EU would arrange to give us 'pariah' status there and elsewhere. We'd probably be subject to a trade embargo from all Member States, and have foreign-located assets of ours seized (much as GWB did against known 'terrorist friendly' institutions and powers just after 9/11).

All this overlooks the virtual certainty of mass rioting across the UK, no doubt fomented by Muslims.

It's not as though our gun laws permit citizens to freely defend themselves !!

You see, I've a theory. I think that today's PC climate, along with the 'Islam is a religion of peace' rot, is insisted upon to keep a lid on a social situation that'd otherwise see us descend into chaos. With around one in twenty of the population Muslim, their capacity for mass rioting has to be considerable.

My belief is that 'Multiculturalism' is insisted upon, simply because nobody dares try any other approach. It's social tinkering started by our Lefties that's now out of control.

So, it's too late for us. Is it too late for the US ?

I insist upon believing that YOU are salvageable, in a way that WE are not.