We all need to STAND UP against Obama...NOW!

[aboutime]

Obama doesn't want us to remember, know, or even have a way to DEFEND our Nation.

Please pass this on!


http://youtu.be/AgYLr_LfhLo

[Gunny]

His ass needs to go and there are legal means to do it.

[Noir]

Can we celebrate the irony that i watched this video on my phone with the pods plugged in?

An odd little bit of propaganda, but then all military videos always are, i guess 'we fought for you' sounds more noble than 'we fought for the political interests of a power elite', i guess such is the ease with which nobility can be constructed.

[LongTermGuy]

`Young Indoctrinated Leftist dislike America....and its freedoms which Americans fought for...yet.... they still enjoy their free speech and their toys....

[Gunny]

Can we celebrate the irony that i watched this video on my phone with the pods plugged in?

An odd little bit of propaganda, but then all military videos always are, i guess 'we fought for you' sounds more noble than 'we fought for the political interests of a power elite', i guess such is the ease with which nobility can be constructed.

Can you spell "wrong"?

[Noir]

Can you spell "wrong"?

Nope, but my iphone can, bless auto-correct.

[Gunny]

Nope, but my iphone can, bless auto-correct.

No wonder your shit's all screwed up. You use auto-correct? That does explain everything wrong about you.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Can we celebrate the irony that i watched this video on my phone with the pods plugged in?

An odd little bit of propaganda, but then all military videos always are, i guess 'we fought for you' sounds more noble than 'we fought for the political interests of a power elite', i guess such is the ease with which nobility can be constructed.




" i guess such is the ease with which nobility can be constructed"

"Nobility" was the monster we fought and defeated in order to found this nation, write our Constitution and live as free men!
Its not our nation, Constitution and overall culture that is trashing all of that and acting as an agent of corruption, enslavement and evil. That is the dem party , its progressive(read socialist) and its messiah..
You being from another country much of this you have not a clue about IMHO.
Then you having those liberal tendencies just add to your confusion.
Always glad to share good information to educate those far less fortunate than I.- ;)-Tyr

[aboutime]

Can we celebrate the irony that i watched this video on my phone with the pods plugged in?

An odd little bit of propaganda, but then all military videos always are, i guess 'we fought for you' sounds more noble than 'we fought for the political interests of a power elite', i guess such is the ease with which nobility can be constructed.


Noir. We all know, what you call propaganda, we enjoy as HONOR, PRIDE, HONESTY, LIBERTY, and FREEDOM. Would you like to tell us how many of those things I mentioned actually exist, and can be so openly displayed there Where You are?
Tell us about how FREE you are in comparison to OUR FREEDOMS you have been conditioned, and brainwashed to believe is Propaganda..in your BROWN PANTS.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Obama doesn't want us to remember, know, or even have a way to DEFEND our Nation.

Please pass this on!


http://youtu.be/AgYLr_LfhLo
Thank you for posting that video and your service my friend. My uncle fought in WW2-THE BIG ONE, he came home injured from an artillery blast ,
endured that injury for the rest of his life . I once asked him, how did it feel being blown 15 feet in the air and 25 feet away?
He smiled and said, " Son, all I remember is waking in the hospital 4 days later and knowing I wasn't dead! At least not yet.
And that felt mighty damn good! I HAD MY ARMS, MY LEGS AND WAS GOING TO BE OK!
A damn lot of my friends were not so lucky" !
I've never ever forgotten that. And I never will....
Tis why I hate dems/libs and other assorted asshats, as they all are less than the crap that I wipe from my boots before entering my house..
And trust me on this, I have no damn problem telling the ffing vermin just that face to face any damn time, any damn place. -Tyr

[Drummond]

Nope, but my iphone can, bless auto-correct.

The immediate irony that comes to mind from your comment, Noir, is that your auto-correct is probably supplying you with American spellings of words, rather than the English (UK) variants that exist. Your enthusiasm for relying on American-based language corrections should make you appropriately appreciative of your facility ... ?

But, of course, there's a far more serious point that needs to be made, Noir. I shall be appropriately blunt in making it.

Allied troops, collectively, fought for freedom against one of the most monstrous (arguably THE most monstrous) tyrannies the world has ever seen. Even taking Japan out of the equation, to centre this on European considerations, instead ... consider the truly MASSIVE sacrifices made by America to get, and keep, our part of the world liberated from that tyranny.

I see no evidence from your posting that you're so much as conscious of the enormous debt the free world owes to America for its very existence, in fighting Hitler's forces .. much less that you have appreciation for what the US did for us. And that, Noir, IS A DISGRACE.

I do not minimise Churchill's part in the war, nor the fact that we faced off Hitler's threat to us ever since 1939. But without America's intervention, I don't believe that the UK could have prevailed indefinitely. This would have left Hitler free to make the UK a clone of the Channel Islands ... and Europe, presumably, ultimately 'Jew free' following the SUCCESSFUL completion of Hitler's holocaustal 'Final Solution'.

Perhaps, Noir, appreciating those who prevent genocide from happening is not within your worldview. But, then, I am different .. I am, after all, a decent Conservative.

I am sorry that you cannot make that same 'boast', nor identify with what that means.

FREEDOM. LIBERTY. These are words, values, states of being, we could not enjoy were it not for historical American sacrifices. SHOW SOME RESPECT.

And while you're at it ... spare some thoughts for the freedoms you LEFTIES are busily eroding in our part of the world, by deferring .. and deferring .. then deferring some more .. to Islamic incursions. By insisting, despite ALL the evidence to the contrary, that Islam's mission is a 'peaceful, benevolent' one.

You don't appreciate all that's been done to fight for freedom. Your Leftie brethren are busily knuckling under to a religious force which also has no interest in decent, free values. Tell me ... when are you Lefties EVER going to wake up, and instead STOP selling us out ???

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The immediate irony that comes to mind from your comment, Noir, is that your auto-correct is probably supplying you with American spellings of words, rather than the English (UK) variants that exist. Your enthusiasm for relying on American-based language corrections should make you appropriately appreciative of your facility ... ?

But, of course, there's a far more serious point that needs to be made, Noir. I shall be appropriately blunt in making it.

Allied troops, collectively, fought for freedom against one of the most monstrous (arguably THE most monstrous) tyrannies the world has ever seen. Even taking Japan out of the equation, to centre this on European considerations, instead ... consider the truly MASSIVE sacrifices made by America to get, and keep, our part of the world liberated from that tyranny.

I see no evidence from your posting that you're so much as conscious of the enormous debt the free world owes to America for its very existence, in fighting Hitler's forces .. much less that you have appreciation for what the US did for us. And that, Noir, IS A DISGRACE.

I do not minimise Churchill's part in the war, nor the fact that we faced off Hitler's threat to us ever since 1939. But without America's intervention, I don't believe that the UK could have prevailed indefinitely. This would have left Hitler free to make the UK a clone of the Channel Islands ... and Europe, presumably, ultimately 'Jew free' following the SUCCESSFUL completion of Hitler's holocaustal 'Final Solution'.

Perhaps, Noir, appreciating those who prevent genocide from happening is not within your worldview. But, then, I am different .. I am, after all, a decent Conservative.

I am sorry that you cannot make that same 'boast', nor identify with what that means.

FREEDOM. LIBERTY. These are words, values, states of being, we could not enjoy were it not for historical American sacrifices. SHOW SOME RESPECT.

And while you're at it ... spare some thoughts for the freedoms you LEFTIES are busily eroding in our part of the world, by deferring .. and deferring .. then deferring some more .. to Islamic incursions. By insisting, despite ALL the evidence to the contrary, that Islam's mission is a 'peaceful, benevolent' one.

You don't appreciate all that's been done to fight for freedom. Your Leftie brethren are busily knuckling under to a religious force which also has no interest in decent, free values. Tell me ... when are you Lefties EVER going to wake up, and instead STOP selling us out ???

:beer: :clap: :beer: :cheers2:-tYR

[Drummond]

:beer: :clap: :beer: :cheers2:-tYR:clap::clap::clap::clap::beer::beer:

[Jeff]

Obama doesn't want us to remember, know, or even have a way to DEFEND our Nation.

Please pass this on!


http://youtu.be/AgYLr_LfhLo

Thank you to you and to all who have served this country.

Those young men and the young woman are a big part of what makes this country great, in fact if it wasn't for them we couldn't be great at all, those that don't understand never will, they just weren't brought up the same way some of us where.

[sundaydriver]

Thank you for posting that video and your service my friend. My uncle fought in WW2-THE BIG ONE, he came home injured from an artillery blast ,
endured that injury for the rest of his life . I once asked him, how did it feel being blown 15 feet in the air and 25 feet away?
He smiled and said, " Son, all I remember is waking in the hospital 4 days later and knowing I wasn't dead! At least not yet.
And that felt mighty damn good! I HAD MY ARMS, MY LEGS AND WAS GOING TO BE OK!
A damn lot of my friends were not so lucky" !
I've never ever forgotten that. And I never will....
Tis why I hate dems/libs and other assorted asshats, as they all are less than the crap that I wipe from my boots before entering my house..
And trust me on this, I have no damn problem telling the ffing vermin just that face to face any damn time, any damn place. -Tyr

Maybe there are people in the world who have earned the right to say such things. But those that have earned that right seldom would because they have that honor and decency that you talk about so much but have never earned by serving your country or community. Talk is cheap and yes I would say that to your face.

[Gunny]

The immediate irony that comes to mind from your comment, Noir, is that your auto-correct is probably supplying you with American spellings of words, rather than the English (UK) variants that exist. Your enthusiasm for relying on American-based language corrections should make you appropriately appreciative of your facility ... ?

But, of course, there's a far more serious point that needs to be made, Noir. I shall be appropriately blunt in making it.

Allied troops, collectively, fought for freedom against one of the most monstrous (arguably THE most monstrous) tyrannies the world has ever seen. Even taking Japan out of the equation, to centre this on European considerations, instead ... consider the truly MASSIVE sacrifices made by America to get, and keep, our part of the world liberated from that tyranny.

I see no evidence from your posting that you're so much as conscious of the enormous debt the free world owes to America for its very existence, in fighting Hitler's forces .. much less that you have appreciation for what the US did for us. And that, Noir, IS A DISGRACE.

I do not minimise Churchill's part in the war, nor the fact that we faced off Hitler's threat to us ever since 1939. But without America's intervention, I don't believe that the UK could have prevailed indefinitely. This would have left Hitler free to make the UK a clone of the Channel Islands ... and Europe, presumably, ultimately 'Jew free' following the SUCCESSFUL completion of Hitler's holocaustal 'Final Solution'.

Perhaps, Noir, appreciating those who prevent genocide from happening is not within your worldview. But, then, I am different .. I am, after all, a decent Conservative.

I am sorry that you cannot make that same 'boast', nor identify with what that means.

FREEDOM. LIBERTY. These are words, values, states of being, we could not enjoy were it not for historical American sacrifices. SHOW SOME RESPECT.

And while you're at it ... spare some thoughts for the freedoms you LEFTIES are busily eroding in our part of the world, by deferring .. and deferring .. then deferring some more .. to Islamic incursions. By insisting, despite ALL the evidence to the contrary, that Islam's mission is a 'peaceful, benevolent' one.

You don't appreciate all that's been done to fight for freedom. Your Leftie brethren are busily knuckling under to a religious force which also has no interest in decent, free values. Tell me ... when are you Lefties EVER going to wake up, and instead STOP selling us out ???

I can tell you right now that just about ought to do it. I learned to spell reading Alistair MacLean novels. So I know what a bonnet and a boot is, and I know what colour is. I know what a lorrie is. Auto spell seems to be stuck on American English.

As far as freedom and liberty go ... we really don't have any. The words have meaning. The fact is, the media just slings them around to suit their agenda. As does our government.

[Noir]

The immediate irony that comes to mind from your comment, Noir, is that your auto-correct is probably supplying you with American spellings of words, rather than the English (UK) variants that exist. Your enthusiasm for relying on American-based language corrections should make you appropriately appreciative of your facility ... ?

Nope, it's set to English UK.


But, of course, there's a far more serious point that needs to be made, Noir. I shall be appropriately blunt in making it.

Allied troops, collectively, fought for freedom against one of the most monstrous (arguably THE most monstrous) tyrannies the world has ever seen. Even taking Japan out of the equation, to centre this on European considerations, instead ... consider the truly MASSIVE sacrifices made by America to get, and keep, our part of the world liberated from that tyranny.

I see no evidence from your posting that you're so much as conscious of the enormous debt the free world owes to America for its very existence, in fighting Hitler's forces .. much less that you have appreciation for what the US did for us. And that, Noir, IS A DISGRACE.

I do not minimise Churchill's part in the war, nor the fact that we faced off Hitler's threat to us ever since 1939. But without America's intervention, I don't believe that the UK could have prevailed indefinitely. This would have left Hitler free to make the UK a clone of the Channel Islands ... and Europe, presumably, ultimately 'Jew free' following the SUCCESSFUL completion of Hitler's holocaustal 'Final Solution'.

Perhaps, Noir, appreciating those who prevent genocide from happening is not within your worldview. But, then, I am different .. I am, after all, a decent Conservative.

I am sorry that you cannot make that same 'boast', nor identify with what that means.

FREEDOM. LIBERTY. These are words, values, states of being, we could not enjoy were it not for historical American sacrifices. SHOW SOME RESPECT.

And while you're at it ... spare some thoughts for the freedoms you LEFTIES are busily eroding in our part of the world, by deferring .. and deferring .. then deferring some more .. to Islamic incursions. By insisting, despite ALL the evidence to the contrary, that Islam's mission is a 'peaceful, benevolent' one.

You don't appreciate all that's been done to fight for freedom. Your Leftie brethren are busily knuckling under to a religious force which also has no interest in decent, free values. Tell me ... when are you Lefties EVER going to wake up, and instead STOP selling us out ???

This is why it's all but impossible to be critical of military propaganda, because to be in any way critical results in howlings of 'disrespect' etc. No institution should be beyond criticism, I'm sure (or at least hopeful) you'd agree.

[Gunny]

Maybe there are people in the world who have earned the right to say such things. But those that have earned that right seldom would because they have that honor and decency that you talk about so much but have never earned by serving your country or community. Talk is cheap and yes I would say that to your face.

That's just wrong. At every level. You think someone someone has to hump a pack and carry a rifle to serve? And I was good at both. And I don't like mommy's basement cheerleaders either.

But what about the people that pay their taxes that provide our income? What about the ones that will go stand in a soup line so homeless people can get less of a meal than a can of c-rats provides? What about the ones that spend their personal time without pay building a house for a homeless person?

There are people who need us, or we wouldn't exist so that "superior" sh*t doesn't cut it. Now let's make a distinction here: I'm talking about people in need who just can't make it. Not the ones that suck off the government because they can. But WHO has allowed the latter to do that?

What I don't appreciate is the fact that after they get done crippling us -- breaking our minds and bodies -- we get discarded like trash.

Your comment however is loaded. I can see me lasting about 20 whole minutes in a corporate office. You know. The ones that make the money that pay the taxes that kept us fed?

[Gunny]

Nope, it's set to English UK.



This is why it's all but impossible to be critical of military propaganda, because to be in any way critical results in howlings of 'disrespect' etc. No institution should be beyond criticism, I'm sure (or at least hopeful) you'd agree.

Ever been in the military? I can criticize because I grew up in and served in it. Criticism is fine if you any knowledge about what you're flapping your gums about. You're a spoiled brat and don't know shit. Try the indignant act on one of your ignorant friends. They might believe.

[Gunny]

And you just became my whipping boy for the day. Try getting up at 4:30 AM every day for over 20 years so you can work out and shit shower n shave before you have to give the baby her bottle. Everything has to be immaculate. You lose right there.

Try humping a hundred pound pack 25 miles out one day and 25 miles back the next in the shitty boots you provided us. Then you can try standing watch at 2 AM.

You ain't got the balls, mf-er. You want to criticize? I bet you couldn't make it a mile in our shoes. Only 24 more to go. So don't you sit around and try to tell us what we are.

[Noir]

Ever been in the military? I can criticize because I grew up in and served in it. Criticism is fine if you any knowledge about what you're flapping your gums about. You're a spoiled brat and don't know shit. Try the indignant act on one of your ignorant friends. They might believe.


And you just became my whipping boy for the day. Try getting up at 4:30 AM every day for over 20 years so you can work out and shit shower n shave before you have to give the baby her bottle. Everything has to be immaculate. You lose right there.

Try humping a hundred pound pack 25 miles out one day and 25 miles back the next in the shitty boots you provided us. Then you can try standing watch at 2 AM.

You ain't got the balls, mf-er. You want to criticize? I bet you couldn't make it a mile in our shoes. Only 24 more to go. So don't you sit around and try to tell us what we are.

Well this is a beyond stereotypical macho-military man reply. If you do chose to continue your long winded angry posts I hope at least you enjoy them, but I can't see any of this being related to the OP so I'll otherwise chose to refrain.

[Gunny]

Well this is a beyond stereotypical macho-military man reply. If you do chose to continue your long winded angry posts I hope at least you enjoy them, but I can't see any of this being related to the OP so I'll otherwise chose to refrain.

Well guess what ... your attempt at deflection is what changed the topic. Your further attempt (as seen here) is more lame.

You want to talk sh*t about us but not walk the walk.

You think I'm angry? People have died to keep your little as all comfy and cozy. The only solace we have is that you are NOT what we fought for. We fought for people that needed us, not your pampered little clueless ass. And we fought for an ideal -- something beyond your comprehension.

[sundaydriver]

Maybe there are people in the world who have earned the right to say such things. But those that have earned that right seldom would because they have that honor and decency that you talk about so much but have never earned by serving your country or community. Talk is cheap and yes I would say that to your face.


That's just wrong. At every level. You think someone someone has to hump a pack and carry a rifle to serve? And I was good at both. And I don't like mommy's basement cheerleaders either.

But what about the people that pay their taxes that provide our income? What about the ones that will go stand in a soup line so homeless people can get less of a meal than a can of c-rats provides? What about the ones that spend their personal time without pay building a house for a homeless person?

There are people who need us, or we wouldn't exist so that "superior" sh*t doesn't cut it. Now let's make a distinction here: I'm talking about people in need who just can't make it. Not the ones that suck off the government because they can. But WHO has allowed the latter to do that?

What I don't appreciate is the fact that after they get done crippling us -- breaking our minds and bodies -- we get discarded like trash.

Your comment however is loaded. I can see me lasting about 20 whole minutes in a corporate office. You know. The ones that make the money that pay the taxes that kept us fed?

Gunny, My point is about the sense of superiority that some show without earning it by deed. I highlighted serving one's country and community in my original post that I quoted.

Now I never served in the military although I was going to follow Dad's footsteps into the Marine Corp. Injuries from a skiing accident shot my plans to hell as for two years afterwards I could not pass the physical. Does not serving make me or anyone else a lesser person? No, and that was not my point.

Dad set the example, former Pacific vet, recalled for Korea but his real call and what he instilled in us was service to others is a duty as an American. His unspoken accomplishments in this for the almost past 70 years carries on today.
Boy Scout & Explorer leader, community leader, maintains two scholarships, School Board, Twsp. rep for County Sewer Authority, Kiwanis president, and too many other selfless acts to list.

My siblings and myself were volunteers at the local hospital as soon as we became of age, I've spent the past week as part of my Lions Club painting bleachers and getting the baseball fields ready for the kid's and all that my club does for groups and individuals. My siblings are the same as should be too many others that do nothing but sit on the Inter web complaining about how things are and people on the other side are just scum because that's a lot easier than going out and affecting things that you can.

And yeah, the corporate world was not for you, I barely made it at times.

[Gunny]

Gunny, My point is about the sense of superiority that some show without earning it by deed. I highlighted serving one's country and community in my original post that I quoted.

Now I never served in the military although I was going to follow Dad's footsteps into the Marine Corp. Injuries from a skiing accident shot my plans to hell as for two years afterwards I could not pass the physical. Does not serving make me or anyone else a lesser person? No, and that was not my point.

Dad set the example, former Pacific vet, recalled for Korea but his real call and what he instilled in us was service to others is a duty as an American. His unspoken accomplishments in this for the almost past 70 years carries on today.
Boy Scout & Explorer leader, community leader, maintains two scholarships, School Board, Twsp. rep for County Sewer Authority, Kiwanis president, and too many other selfless acts to list.

My siblings and myself were volunteers at the local hospital as soon as we became of age, I've spent the past week as part of my Lions Club painting bleachers and getting the baseball fields ready for the kid's and all that my club does for groups and individuals. My siblings are the same as should be too many others that do nothing but sit on the Inter web complaining about how things are and people on the other side are just scum because that's a lot easier than going out and affecting things that you can.

And yeah, the corporate world was not for you, I barely made it at times.

You just made my point for me. My family's been in the military since Day One. But, I don't consider that the be-all end-all to "service". You ain't getting a military 20 feet from the door if you can't clothe, feed and equip it. If I took your post the wrong way, my apologies.

[sundaydriver]

And you just became my whipping boy for the day. Try getting up at 4:30 AM every day for over 20 years so you can work out and shit shower n shave before you have to give the baby her bottle. Everything has to be immaculate. You lose right there.

Try humping a hundred pound pack 25 miles out one day and 25 miles back the next in the shitty boots you provided us. Then you can try standing watch at 2 AM.

You ain't got the balls, mf-er. You want to criticize? I bet you couldn't make it a mile in our shoes. Only 24 more to go. So don't you sit around and try to tell us what we are.

Having a former Marine Drill Sgt. for a Father, you just described my childhood. Okay, my load was a little lighter on marches but it was made up for by standing in the backyard holding a large rock in each hand at arms length many, many times for misconduct.

[Gunny]

Having a former Marine Drill Sgt. for a Father, you just described my childhood. Okay, my load was a little lighter on marches but it was made up for by standing in the backyard holding a large rock in each hand at arms length many, many times for misconduct.

Your dad sounds like mine. We had a checklist of chores that had to be carried out by the numbers. And by God you better not miss a number. Misconduct in my house was punished by a blue, web Air Force belt. My dad started out Army and switched to the AF because he was a linguist. His dad was an Army SgtMaj. In other words everything went well.:laugh:

When I got to boot camp I was like "okay, where's the hard part?"

[Drummond]

I can tell you right now that just about ought to do it. I learned to spell reading Alistair MacLean novels. So I know what a bonnet and a boot is, and I know what colour is. I know what a lorrie is. Auto spell seems to be stuck on American English.

As far as freedom and liberty go ... we really don't have any. The words have meaning. The fact is, the media just slings them around to suit their agenda. As does our government.

Well, you came quite close. Just the one correction ... 'lorrie' is actually 'lorry'.

Seems that Noir can auto-correct to UK English .. 'lucky' him. The programs I use always correct to American English, and I assumed Noir would be in the same situation.

I still say, and always WILL say, that you've far greater latitude to not only fight for freedom but to retain an appreciation of what exactly it means. Here in the UK, unlike America, we've had decade after decade of Socialist sabotage to contend with (.. sold in a way that it's perceived as being other than this). In just weeks from now, it's possible that they'll be returned to power to start their wreckage all over again. UK elections on 7th May ... in all likelihood we'll get a 'hung Parliament', with no outright winner, and the spectacle of a shabby deal or 2 made to keep the process of Government alive.

[Drummond]

This is why it's all but impossible to be critical of military propaganda, because to be in any way critical results in howlings of 'disrespect' etc. No institution should be beyond criticism, I'm sure (or at least hopeful) you'd agree.

But your post misses the point. Gunny is right .. people have died so that those who come afterwards can continue to enjoy the freedoms they fought for.

I don't see evidence from you of any comprehension of what any of that means.

You say 'no institution should be beyond criticism, I'm sure you'd agree'. OK ... tell me, how is it that you even hold that viewpoint ?

I'll tell you, shall I ?

It's because you grew up in a society that at minimum gives lip service to the value of freedom and the right to be critical (... though the Left has done a lot to erode the truth of that, especially more recently).

But, here's the thing. Let's say the Americans had never played their part in fighting Hitler. Hitler's forces would've ultimately won out, and in all likelihood his Reich would've become, and remained, dominant in Europe. The UK itself would've been overrun.

Try imagining the fate of someone criticising Nazism, where Nazism ruled. Try comprehending the impossibility of perceiving freedom and justice as values that can be adhered to, in a social order intent on throttling the life out of anyone daring to TRY to adhere to them.

Now try understanding that American military help, when we most needed it, SAVED the UK from such a fate.

So tell me, Noir. Why are you so unappreciative of those who played such a major part in helping you to so much as have the CAPACITY to criticise ? Can you really not see the injustice involved ?

[Perianne]

The immediate irony that comes to mind from your comment, Noir, is that your auto-correct is probably supplying you with American spellings of words, rather than the English (UK) variants that exist. Your enthusiasm for relying on American-based language corrections should make you appropriately appreciative of your facility ... ?

But, of course, there's a far more serious point that needs to be made, Noir. I shall be appropriately blunt in making it.

Allied troops, collectively, fought for freedom against one of the most monstrous (arguably THE most monstrous) tyrannies the world has ever seen. Even taking Japan out of the equation, to centre this on European considerations, instead ... consider the truly MASSIVE sacrifices made by America to get, and keep, our part of the world liberated from that tyranny.

I see no evidence from your posting that you're so much as conscious of the enormous debt the free world owes to America for its very existence, in fighting Hitler's forces .. much less that you have appreciation for what the US did for us. And that, Noir, IS A DISGRACE.

I do not minimise Churchill's part in the war, nor the fact that we faced off Hitler's threat to us ever since 1939. But without America's intervention, I don't believe that the UK could have prevailed indefinitely. This would have left Hitler free to make the UK a clone of the Channel Islands ... and Europe, presumably, ultimately 'Jew free' following the SUCCESSFUL completion of Hitler's holocaustal 'Final Solution'.

Perhaps, Noir, appreciating those who prevent genocide from happening is not within your worldview. But, then, I am different .. I am, after all, a decent Conservative.

I am sorry that you cannot make that same 'boast', nor identify with what that means.

FREEDOM. LIBERTY. These are words, values, states of being, we could not enjoy were it not for historical American sacrifices. SHOW SOME RESPECT.

And while you're at it ... spare some thoughts for the freedoms you LEFTIES are busily eroding in our part of the world, by deferring .. and deferring .. then deferring some more .. to Islamic incursions. By insisting, despite ALL the evidence to the contrary, that Islam's mission is a 'peaceful, benevolent' one.

You don't appreciate all that's been done to fight for freedom. Your Leftie brethren are busily knuckling under to a religious force which also has no interest in decent, free values. Tell me ... when are you Lefties EVER going to wake up, and instead STOP selling us out ???

Drummond, my friend, you are awesome!

[Drummond]

Drummond, my friend, you are awesome!:salute:

Very appreciated. Thank you !

[Perianne]

But your post misses the point. Gunny is right .. people have died so that those who come afterwards can continue to enjoy the freedoms they fought for.

I don't see evidence from you of any comprehension of what any of that means.

You say 'no institution should be beyond criticism, I'm sure you'd agree'. OK ... tell me, how is it that you even hold that viewpoint ?

I'll tell you, shall I ?

It's because you grew up in a society that at minimum gives lip service to the value of freedom and the right to be critical (... though the Left has done a lot to erode the truth of that, especially more recently).

But, here's the thing. Let's say the Americans had never played their part in fighting Hitler. Hitler's forces would've ultimately won out, and in all likelihood his Reich would've become, and remained, dominant in Europe. The UK itself would've been overrun.

Try imagining the fate of someone criticising Nazism, where Nazism ruled. Try comprehending the impossibility of perceiving freedom and justice as values that can be adhered to, in a social order intent on throttling the life out of anyone daring to TRY to adhere to them.

Now try understanding that American military help, when we most needed it, SAVED the UK from such a fate.

So tell me, Noir. Why are you so unappreciative of those who played such a major part in helping you to so much as have the CAPACITY to criticise ? Can you really not see the injustice involved ?

I don't mean to be disrespectful, Drummond. But American and British soldiers fought and died, in part, so there could be a free England. And your country has in turn given itself away, not to Germans, but to Muslims.

I fear the same is going to happen in America some day. Of course I will be long gone.

[Drummond]

I don't mean to be disrespectful, Drummond. But American and British soldiers fought and died, in part, so there could be a free England. And your country has in turn given itself away, not to Germans, but to Muslims.

I fear the same is going to happen in America some day. Of course I will be long gone.

Don't worry about supposedly being 'disrespectful'. I very much agree with you. All you're doing is expressing truth, so even if I felt like arguing the point in any major way, I'd have no grounds to try.

The one qualifying comment I might make is that, more specifically, the Left has had decades to brainwash people into accepting a mindset which sees our people roll over and play dead, while Muslims come over here and make massive inroads into the very fabric of our society. They've not yet finished the job, but things have gone so far, now, that I see no prospect of its reversal.

Bottom line: the Left has betrayed us. They've sold us out. We're told that to consciously be strident in opposition to any faith or belief-system which counters Christianity and Christian values means that we're showing racism and bigoted intolerance. Laws have been passed, branding it 'hatespeech', enshrining in law the means to act against those who publicly express views that may inflame the sensibilities of 'minorities'.

So it is that people either believe they're being 'racist' if they speak out .. or are otherwise cowed into inaction.

With us, we have crossed a line which I believe that America has NOT crossed. The real remedy for you is to not allow your own Left-wingers create the same conditions that we now experience. The key is to kick your Left out of power, and to KEEP them out of power.

If Americans don't do that, then I believe you risk having a society which ends up being a clone of ours. But you, unlike us, are not yet at the point of no return.

[Perianne]

Drummond, maybe I have already told you. I once lived in London...for a short time. But I was just a baby and don't remember any of it. My mother escaped a bad situation in my home of Finland. She took me and herself to live in London (with her mother) while her immigration papers to America were accepted.

[Drummond]

Drummond, maybe I have already told you. I once lived in London...for a short time. But I was just a baby and don't remember any of it. My mother escaped a bad situation in my home of Finland. She took me and herself to live in London (with her mother) while her immigration papers to America were accepted.

No, you've never told me any of this. Thanks for this insight.

Britain, certainly since at least the 1950's, has long since taken what might be thought of as a 'generous' line on immigration matters. With us, I think that its origin came about from feeling obligated to be 'good' to citizens of those countries who were once part of our British Empire, &/or the latter-day Commonwealth.

But, over time, this has been played on by our Socialists, and sustained, and built upon. By the time of Gordon Brown's Premiership, and when he was fighting the 2010 General Election, he was caught on microphone privately calling a citizen from Rochdale, who he'd just spoken to in the street whilst canvassing for votes, 'that bigoted woman' ... just because she'd DARED to voice concerns over levels of immigration.

The subsequent scandal probably played a major part in his Party's failure to be elected.

Now, we have a situation where, because we're a part of Europe, the EU demands the right of free movement across all EU State borders of any and all EU citizens. We actually now no longer have any control over our borders when it comes to saying 'yes' or 'no' to any EU citizen who wants to enter the UK. This is considered a 'foundling principle' of the EU, therefore, non-negotiable. Which is why we now have a political Party called UKIP (UK Independence Party) determined to get us out of Europe at any cost.

Who put us in this position ? The British LEFT WING, with Gordon Brown ratifying the Lisbon Treaty without giving the British people any say in the process. His Labour Party is fighting the current election saying they'll still give the British people no right to a Referendum on the issue. And of course, the EU's Left have no interest on ever conceding us the right to control our borders !

Perianne, over the last decade or so in particular, the UK's character has changed, our sense of national identity severely eroded. I myself am an ex-Londoner who lived much of his life there. In the 1990's, I moved to Essex. I moved back to the London borough of my birth 10 years later ... and found it much changed, with high street shops run by, and for, the tastes and requirements of all manner of ethnic minorities.

Remember Jafar ? He lived in London for a while. He once posted about attending a mosque in the Seven Sisters Road. Out of curiosity, I tried pinpointing its location. I failed. Why ? Because I discovered that, just in the Seven Sisters Road, SIX mosques had been built ....

Go to central London these days, and you'd recognise it. Go to its outer suburbs and you'd feel yourself to be in another country.

And it's ALL been brought about by LEFT WING SOCIETAL TINKERING, APPLIED OVER DECADES.

So you need to kick Obama's Party out of power, and KEEP them out. If you don't, one day they'll rob you of even the ability to recognise your country to be what it was created to be. The Left are betrayers.