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Perianne
04-10-2015, 09:12 AM
I am an immigrant. Anyone else?

Gunny
04-10-2015, 09:29 AM
I am an immigrant. Anyone else?

I'm ignorant. Close enough?:laugh:

My family's been here on both sides since before the American Revolution. I am a direct descendent of John Adams. On the other side of the aisle (paternal) there are apparently a lot of unwashed, heathen Scot clansmen. And I'm a Texan and a Marine. Is there anything NOT wrong with me?:laugh:

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
04-10-2015, 09:51 AM
I am an immigrant. Anyone else?

My wife and my sister-in-law are both immigrants--legal immigrants-- from the Philippines.
Legal immigrants are a whole different group than are the illegals. That fact can not be emphasized
to much or too often IMHO.. -Tyr

WiccanLiberal
04-10-2015, 10:47 AM
I'm ignorant. Close enough?:laugh:

My family's been here on both sides since before the American Revolution. I am a direct descendent of John Adams. On the other side of the aisle (paternal) there are apparently a lot of unwashed, heathen Scot clansmen. And I'm a Texan and a Marine. Is there anything NOT wrong with me?:laugh:
Ummmm you're too shy and quiet?

Perianne
04-10-2015, 10:55 AM
My wife and my sister-in-law are both immigrants--legal immigrants-- from the Philippines.
Legal immigrants are a whole different group than are the illegals. That fact can not be emphasized
to much or too often IMHO.. -Tyr

I am a LEGAL immigrant. :)

Gunny
04-10-2015, 10:56 AM
Ummmm you're too shy and quiet?

There is THAT,:laugh:

Voted4Reagan
04-10-2015, 10:59 AM
We can trace our Maternal lineage back over 600 years to our Irish ancestors in County Galway and County Sligo...

(Wikipedia Citation)

The name Connacht comes from the medieval ruling dynasty, the Connacht, later Connachta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connachta), whose name means "descendants of Conn", from the mythical kingConn of the Hundred Battles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conn_of_the_Hundred_Battles). Originally Connacht was a singular collective noun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_noun), but it came to be used only in the plural Connachta, partly by analogy with plural names of other dynastic territories like Ulaid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulaid) and Laigin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laigin), and partly because the Connachta split into different branches.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht#cite_note-6) Before the Connachta dynasty, the province (cúige, "fifth") was known as Cóiced Ol nEchmacht (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3iced_Ol_nEchmacht). In Modern Irish, the province is usually called Cúige Chonnacht, "the Province of Connacht", whereChonnacht is plural genitive case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case) with lenition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_initial_mutations#Lenition) of the C to Ch.
The usual English spelling in Ireland since the Gaelic revival (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_revival) is Connacht, the spelling of the disused Irish singular. The official English spelling during English and British rule was the anglicisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglicisation) Connaught, pronounced / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)k (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɒ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɔː (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) or / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)k (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɒ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English).[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht#cite_note-Wells2008-7) This was used for the Connaught Rangers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connaught_Rangers) in the British Army; in the title of Queen Victoria's son Arthur, Duke of Connaught (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Arthur,_Duke_of_Connaught_and_Strathearn); and the Connaught Hotel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connaught_Hotel), London, named after the Duke in 1917. Usage of the Connaught spelling is now in decline. State bodies use Connacht, for example in Central Statistics Office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Statistics_Office_(Ireland)) census reports since 1926,[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht#cite_note-8) and the name of the Connacht–Ulster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht%E2%80%93Ulster_(European_Parliament_const ituency)) European Parliament constituency of 1979–2004,[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht#cite_note-9)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht#cite_note-10)[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht#cite_note-11) although Connaught occurs in some statutes.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht#cite_note-12)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht#cite_note-13) Among newspapers, the Connaught Telegraph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connaught_Telegraph) (founded 1830) retains the anglicised spelling in its name, whereas the Connacht Tribune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht_Tribune) (founded 1909) uses the Gaelic.

My Grandfathers last name..... Connaughton (meaning....Man of Conacht)

we even have our own Flag....

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7101&stc=1

Bilgerat
04-10-2015, 10:59 AM
My Da was French Canadian/American Indian

Ma was Scotch/Irish

Me, first Gen American, and I'm a thick headed redneck

Gunny
04-10-2015, 11:02 AM
I am a LEGAL immigrant. :)

I must be. I was born here. :laugh:

Voted4Reagan
04-10-2015, 11:23 AM
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WiccanLiberal
04-10-2015, 01:19 PM
My mother's side is English, Welsh and German. My maternal grandfather emigrated from England with the rest of his family when he was 8. My dad's side is all Irish. My paternal great grandfather was a school teacher, an educated man. He brought his family here during one of the famines as he had no work. When a community has no food, they can't afford to pay a teacher. He came here and had to work as a day laborer as no one wanted to hire an Irishman to teach. My grandfather was a bit better off. He was a sheet metal worker. You know those big steam tables in fancy hotel restaurants? That's what he used to build. His children did even better, his sons being military, police, etc. My Dad was Navy then an engineer for the state of New York. I am the first generation of my family to complete a college education. My great grandfather would have been proud I think.

LongTermGuy
04-10-2015, 02:36 PM
`I was born elsewhere and adapted and brought to this country...*I Am a Full American citizen now.... none any of this half and half bullshit....

WiccanLiberal
04-10-2015, 02:44 PM
`I was born elsewhere and adapted and brought to this country...*I Am a Full American citizen now.... none any of this half and half bullshit....

I may be a bit old fashioned but I still believe that a seasoning of one's familial culture makes America a more interesting place. I work in Manhattan and can get bagels, Chinese and Colombian food within the same block and can hear a dozen different languages in the course of a day. The music I listen to is American rock mostly but it has influences from Celtic, African and Latin sources. I never mind when someone says they are fill-in-the-blank/American provided that they are proud of that American part. After all, they worked hard for it.

LongTermGuy
04-10-2015, 03:02 PM
I may be a bit old fashioned but I still believe that a seasoning of one's familial culture makes America a more interesting place. I work in Manhattan and can get bagels, Chinese and Colombian food within the same block and can hear a dozen different languages in the course of a day. The music I listen to is American rock mostly but it has influences from Celtic, African and Latin sources. I never mind when someone says they are fill-in-the-blank/American provided that they are proud of that American part. After all, they worked hard for it.

Dear I am with you 100 percent...I just don't go blasting it out...I enjoy cooking foods from many nationalities...I enjoy cooking:laugh:...and still practice and celebrate some of the old customs **at home...

My point was I consider myself an American...Not African American...Indian American....Not white American....not green American.. but an AMERICAN...understand what I am saying?...One thing I hate is to hear other foreign mumbo-jumbo in America...Example....when I hear a server at a restaurant talking a different language to a customer in front of me or just gabbing...I get offended...I then order... in `my` 2nd language...they look at me funny...and don't understand...I ask them why they don't understand my language...??? Then I explain things to them when in America speak English....not everyone is like you or I....I speak my Language in private at home or where others like me gather...their house...or church...etc....


Press One For English!!!:laugh:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-fU0

Kathianne
04-10-2015, 03:12 PM
I may be a bit old fashioned but I still believe that a seasoning of one's familial culture makes America a more interesting place. I work in Manhattan and can get bagels, Chinese and Colombian food within the same block and can hear a dozen different languages in the course of a day. The music I listen to is American rock mostly but it has influences from Celtic, African and Latin sources. I never mind when someone says they are fill-in-the-blank/American provided that they are proud of that American part. After all, they worked hard for it.

I agree. That is the what was good about the 'melting pot' that used to be an expected reality of 'American Culture,' and while there are still vestiges of that, the reality the 'mixed salad' has become more pronounced over the past 45 years. There is no doubt that those from countries that weren't 'Western Europe' had a more difficult time being accepted, persons with physical differences-persons of color and Asians in particular. The Chinese being the most identifiable along with the rise of the 'Know Nothings.'

Other than discriminatory laws directed at Chinese immigrants, there really were few immigration requirements in US before early 20th C. Once a government agency with 'Immigration' in its title, many rules begin to be passed.

Even with the advent of Bureau of Immigration and Naturalization, immigrants tended to pick up the language and leave group identity enclaves. They mostly kept religious and some cultural traditions, while adapting and adopting American traditions, holidays, etc. Their children were educated and 'Americanized.' Grandma and Grandpa might speak the original language, Mom and Dad understanding much of what was said, but the grandchildren were likely fully indoctrinated in American culture.

Today though and for nearly a half century, many immigrants are not assimilating. Language is the most identifiable difference, with this goes problems in acquiring education. Even some that have been here for generations seem to be retroactively identifying as something other than 'American.'

WiccanLiberal
04-10-2015, 03:17 PM
I agree. That is the what was good about the 'melting pot' that used to be an expected reality of 'American Culture,' and while there are still vestiges of that, the reality the 'mixed salad' has become more pronounced over the past 45 years. There is no doubt that those from countries that weren't 'Western Europe' had a more difficult time being accepted, persons with physical differences-persons of color and Asians in particular. The Chinese being the most identifiable along with the rise of the 'Know Nothings.'

Other than discriminatory laws directed at Chinese immigrants, there really were few immigration requirements in US before early 20th C. Once a government agency with 'Immigration' in its title, many rules begin to be passed.

Even with the advent of Bureau of Immigration and Naturalization, immigrants tended to pick up the language and leave group identity enclaves. They mostly kept religious and some cultural traditions, while adapting and adopting American traditions, holidays, etc. Their children were educated and 'Americanized.' Grandma and Grandpa might speak the original language, Mom and Dad understanding much of what was said, but the grandchildren were likely fully indoctrinated in American culture.

Today though and for nearly a half century, many immigrants are not assimilating. Language is the most identifiable difference, with this goes problems in acquiring education. Even some that have been here for generations seem to be retroactively identifying as something other than 'American.'

Agreed on the current situation. Although among Asian immigrants, I am still seeing the earlier pattern a lot. Since I work in a hospital, we have to accomodate with translation since it is a disaster if the patient gives us a wrong history or doesn't fully comprehend their consent form.

Kathianne
04-10-2015, 03:24 PM
Agreed on the current situation. Although among Asian immigrants, I am still seeing the earlier pattern a lot. Since I work in a hospital, we have to accomodate with translation since it is a disaster if the patient gives us a wrong history or doesn't fully comprehend their consent form.

The refusal to learn English should be a barrier to acquiring a green card, IMO. All government forms should be in English, the translation should be up to the user, again IMO.

While I am pro-immigrant, not just for the 'skilled,' I do have a problem with those that don't want to actually become 'American,' wanting instead to reap the benefits while maintaining their original country's identity fully.

Gunny
04-10-2015, 03:24 PM
My mother's side is English, Welsh and German. My maternal grandfather emigrated from England with the rest of his family when he was 8. My dad's side is all Irish. My paternal great grandfather was a school teacher, an educated man. He brought his family here during one of the famines as he had no work. When a community has no food, they can't afford to pay a teacher. He came here and had to work as a day laborer as no one wanted to hire an Irishman to teach. My grandfather was a bit better off. He was a sheet metal worker. You know those big steam tables in fancy hotel restaurants? That's what he used to build. His children did even better, his sons being military, police, etc. My Dad was Navy then an engineer for the state of New York. I am the first generation of my family to complete a college education. My great grandfather would have been proud I think.

You should be proud. My grandfather was an electrician. So was I after I retired from the Marines. It takes people with balls to actually work.

My daughter is the first to complete a college education in my family. However, the man I admire most didn't get past the 8th grade and he had more brains than most people I know.

WiccanLiberal
04-10-2015, 03:48 PM
You should be proud. My grandfather was an electrician. So was I after I retired from the Marines. It takes people with balls to actually work.

My daughter is the first to complete a college education in my family. However, the man I admire most didn't get past the 8th grade and he had more brains than most people I know.

Agreed. Education does not always equate with intelligence or common sense. My Dad had more brains than most of the higher ups that ran the places he worked.

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