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Kathianne
04-21-2015, 06:14 AM
Bottom line the politicians will eventually have the clash that could have been avoided.


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</section>Obama only mentions Christians to lecture them, rather than defend them from persecution.


What do you call it when 12 men are drowned at sea (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/17/refugees-drowned-for-being-christian.html) for praying to Jesus?

Answer: Religious persecution.

Yet, when a throng of Muslims threw a dozen Libyan Christians overboard a migrant ship traveling from Libya to Italy, Prime Minister <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Matteo Renzi" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(102, 102, 102) !important;">Matteo Renzi</culink> missed the opportunity to label it as such. Standing next to <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Barack Obama" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(102, 102, 102) !important;">President Obama</culink> at their joint news conference (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/17/remarks-president-obama-and-prime-minister-renzi-italy-joint-press-confe)Friday, Renzi dismissed it as a one-off event and said (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/17/remarks-president-obama-and-prime-minister-renzi-italy-joint-press-confe), "The problem is not a problem of (a) clash of religions."

While the prime minister plunged his head into the sand, Italian authorities arrestedand charged the Muslim migrants with "multiple aggravated murder motivated by religious hate," according to (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32337725) the BBC.

As Renzi was questioned about the incident, Obama was mute (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/17/italy-downplays-obama-mum-drowned-christian-migran/) on the killings. He failed to interject any sense of outrage or even tepid concern for the targeting of Christians for their faith. If a Christian mob on a ship bound for Italy threw 12 Muslims to their death for praying to Allah, does anyone think the president would have been so disinterested? When three North Carolina Muslims were gunned down by avirulent atheist (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/16/craig-hicks-indicted-over-north-carolina-shooting-of-three-muslim-students), Obama rightly spoke out (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31463458) against the horrifying killings. But he just can't seem to find any passion for the mass persecution (http://www.pewforum.org/2011/08/09/rising-restrictions-on-religion2/#harassment) of Middle Eastern Christians (http://www.france24.com/en/20110107-france-sarkozy-christian-religious-cleansing-middle-east-christians-coptic-bombing-egypt/)or the eradication (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/05/07/report-faults-obama-administration-for-ignoring-persecution-of-christians/) of Christianity from its birthplace (http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-christian-purge-from-mosul-1405984542).

Religious persecution of Christians is rampant worldwide (http://www.pewforum.org/2014/01/14/religious-hostilities-reach-six-year-high/), as Pew has noted, but nowhere is it more prevalent than in the Middle East and Northern Africa, where followers of Jesus are the targets of religious cleansing (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380032/cleansing-iraqs-christians-entering-its-end-game-nina-shea). <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Pope Francis" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(102, 102, 102) !important;">Pope Francis</culink> hasrepeatedly decried (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/pope-presides-over-good-friday-procession-at-colosseum/2015/04/03/1cb0b9c8-da3b-11e4-bf0b-f648b95a6488_story.html) the persecution and begged the world (http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis-do-not-be-silentabout-persecuted-chri) for help, but it has had little impact. Western leaders — including Obama — will be remembered for their near silence as this human rights tragedy unfolded. The president's mumblings about the atrocities visited upon Christians (usually extracted after public outcry over his silence) are few and far between. And it will be hard to forget his lecturing of Christians (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-speech-at-prayer-breakfast-called-offensive-to-christians/2015/02/05/6a15a240-ad50-11e4-ad71-7b9eba0f87d6_story.html) at the National Prayer Breakfast about the centuries-old Crusades whileMiddle Eastern Christians (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/04/04/pope-francis-commemorates-christians-beheaded-and-crucified-for-their-faith/) were at that moment being harassed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/07/has-the-world-looked-the-other-way-while-christians-are-killed/), driven from their homes, tortured and murdered for their faith.

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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
04-21-2015, 06:37 AM
Bottom line the politicians will eventually have the clash that could have been avoided.

Americans are so propagandized that they can not now nor would they care to know which way the wind blows.
You see Hollywood, the so-called intelligensia , mainstream media and the obama admin have no positive interests in Christians !
Key word being "positive" as shown by obama publicly criticizing Christianity every chance he gets ! Negative he seems to have no problem with , even if he has to just make it up..

Now a rational intelligent person would look at this pattern and his coddling of muslims, muslim nations and come to a conclusion about where his true loyalties lies...
Yet so few do ..... And we that saw this long ago are still shunned, castigated , mocked, criticized and accused of being fools, liars and racists..
I used the word --we-- because I've been so treated for 6 years.. All because I saw what the man was long ago, Ive always had deep insight in regards to people's character.

The clash of which you speak has been coming for a long time. Disagree or not but Christianity has been attacked by government hard and heavy since the 60's revolution that helped bring in/advance socialism , hedonism and environmentalism...-Tyr

Abbey Marie
04-21-2015, 09:08 AM
I think we can all agree that Obama's silence and inaction in the face of such persecution is obvious.

The question I want answered is, why does he appear to be at best, uncaring towards Christians, at worst, outright anti-Christian?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
04-21-2015, 09:19 AM
I think we can all agree that Obama's silence and inaction in the face of such persecution is obvious.

The question I want answered is, why does he appear to be at best, uncaring towards Christians, at worst, outright anti-Christian?

Trust me, he is anti-Christian.. He is anti-Jewish ... and if truth be told, he is anti-infidel......

Many forms of Jihad my friend... "muslim -in-hiding" is just one of them.

Yet it is the highest form of Jihad that a muslim may engage in because it calls for openly renouncing the faith in order to deceive the enemy to gain advantage to destroy them.

The obama is such a deceiver IMHO..

I'D BET MY LIFE AGAINST A C-NOTE THAT IS THE CASE..-Tyr

Kathianne
04-21-2015, 10:03 AM
I think we can all agree that Obama's silence and inaction in the face of such persecution is obvious.

The question I want answered is, why does he appear to be at best, uncaring towards Christians, at worst, outright anti-Christian?

Respect him or not, one Christian has not been silent on Christian persecution, calling it genocide:


Regarding the use of 'genocide' by the Turks against Armenians in last century:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pope-francis-calls-armenian-slaughter-first-genocide-of-20th-century-1428824472

More recent on topic of attacks on Christians and Jews, regarding the absence of reactions from the West:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/04/21/pope-francis-europes-christians-and-jews-must-stand-together-to-defeat-persecution/

On the 'uniting' of Christians by persecution:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/04/21/pope-francis-europes-christians-and-jews-must-stand-together-to-defeat-persecution/

darin
04-21-2015, 10:17 AM
I think we can all agree that Obama's silence and inaction in the face of such persecution is obvious.

The question I want answered is, why does he appear to be at best, uncaring towards Christians, at worst, outright anti-Christian?

Probably two reasons.

First, he's blind.

If he sees it, and it moves him, he doesn't say anything because that would simply provoke more killings. Maybe he knows Muslims can be Bat. Shit. Crazy. And, as he's alluded to, people who 'insult islam' (in this case, insulting islam simply by being Christians), DESERVE retribution.

jimnyc
04-21-2015, 10:19 AM
Maybe Obama is afraid they will accuse him of apostasy and sentence him to death, if he ever defended Christians? :dunno:

Kathianne
04-21-2015, 11:56 AM
Just came across this today:

http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-the-church-today-is-a-church-of-martyrs


Pope: the Church today is a Church of martyrs

2015-04-21 Vatican Radio

(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis today said that “ours is a Church of martyrs”.

Speaking during morning Mass at Casa Santa Marta the Pope recalled the many Christians who are currently being persecuted and killed for their faith.

Listen to the report by Linda Bordoni:

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Drawing inspiration from the First Reading of the Act of the Apostles which tells of the stoning and martyrdom of Stephen, the first Christian martyr, the Pope remembered “our brothers whose throats have been slit on the beaches of Libya”, he spoke of “the young boy who was burnt alive by his companions because he was Christian”, he recalled “the migrants who were thrown from their boat into open sea” because, they too, were Christians.

Martyrs – Pope Francis said – do not need “other bread”, their only bread is Jesus, and Stephen – he explained – did not have the need to negotiate or find a compromise with those who put him to death.

And reflecting on the reading the Pope pointed out that Stephen’s witness was such that his persecutors ‘covered their ears and rushed upon him together.’

Just like Jesus – he explained – Stephen had to deal with false witnesses and the anger of the people. Stephen – he said – reminded the elders and the scribes that their ancestors had persecuted other prophets for having been true to God’s Word, and when he described his vision of the heavens opening “and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God” they did not want to listen but threw him out of the city and began to stone him:

“God’s Word is always rejected by some. God’s Word is inconvenient when you have a stone heart, when you have a pagan heart, because God’s Word asks you to go ahead trying to satisfy your hunger with the bread which Jesus spoke of. In the history of the Revelation many martyrs have been killed for their faith and loyalty towards God’s Word, God’s Truth”.

Pope Francis continued comparing the martyrdom of Stephen to that of Jesus: he too “died with that Christian magnanimity of forgiveness, praying for his enemies’.

And those who persecuted the prophets - the Pope pointed out – believed they were giving glory to God; they thought they were being true to God’s doctrine.

“Today – the Pope said – I would like to remember that the true history of the Church is that of the Saints and the martyrs,” of so many who were persecuted and killed by those who thought they possessed the ‘truth’- whose heart was corrupted by ‘truth’:

“In these days how many Stephens there are in the world! Let us think of our brothers whose throats were slit on the beach in Libya; let’s think of the young boy who was burnt alive by his companions because he was a Christian; let us think of those migrants thrown from their boat into the open sea by other migrants because they were Christians; let us think – just the day before yesterday – of those Ethiopians assassinated because they were Christians… and of many others. Many others of whom we do not even know and who are suffering in jails because they are Christians… The Church today is a Church of martyrs: they suffer, they give their lives and we receive the blessing of God for their witness”.

The Pope also pointed out that there are also many “hidden martyrs: those men and women who are faithful to the voice of the Spirit and who are searching for new ways and paths to help their brothers better love God”.He said they are often viewed with suspicion, vilified and persecuted by so many modern ‘Sanhedrins’ who think they are the possessors of truth.

DLT
04-21-2015, 08:27 PM
Bottom line the politicians will eventually have the clash that could have been avoided.

The radical left is targeting Christians every day in America now. And in every way. Their pushing of the homosexual lifestyle and forcing non-gays that own a business to accept it is just one example. Their indoctrination in public schools of American kids to accept and give special "consideration" to gays via a "national Day of Silence" is nothing less than the fascist left bullying of Christian heterosexual kids. And of course, when those straight kids push back and reinforce their own non-gay stance and opinions, they are demonized and called out for it.

Never before in American history has such a radical few/minority made such a stink about every single thing so consistently. They're on a roll and unless we (the majority) stop them, they're just getting started.