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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
05-31-2015, 03:17 PM
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2015/05/30/mary-muhammad-and-hypocritical-media-dhimmitude-from-the-new-york-times-to-fox-news/

Mary, Muhammad, and Hypocritical Media Dhimmitude, From The New York Times, to Fox News
Posted on May 30, 2015

Clay Waters of Newsbusters (h/t Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch) underscores the rank “free expression” hypocrisy, and sheer dhimmitude, of the New York Times, resplendent once again, in its Thursday, May 28, 2015 “Arts” section. A prominent photographic reproduction of the 1996 Ofili painting, “The Holy Virgin Mary”, which accompanied the story about its sale, included an accurate description of the painting’s contents. The Times report also made a rather contemptuous assessment of then New York Mayor Giuliani’s reaction to Ofili’s deliberately insulting work, an unabashed “artistic” exercise in scatology and pornography.

The Australian collector David Walsh is selling Chris Ofili’s 1996 painting “The Holy Virgin Mary,” which caused a furor when it was shown at the Brooklyn Museum in October 1999 as part of Charles Saatchi’s touring “Sensation” exhibition of works by Young British Artists (YBAs). The eight-foot-high depiction of a black Virgin Mary, encrusted with a lump of elephant dung and collaged bottoms [i.e., naked buttocks] from pornographic magazines, outraged religious leaders and Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who described Mr. Ofili’s painting and other works in the show as “sick stuff.” Mr. Giuliani’s attempts to close the exhibition by withholding public funds were rejected by a federal judge.

Yet the Times remains steadfast in its refusal to show any drawings of Muhammad, despite their obvious centrality to—wait for it—the news, given the very recent mass murderous Muslim reactions to the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in Paris, and the failed attempt at similar jihadist carnage in Garland, Texas. The latter occurred following an educational conference which displayed historical and contemporary Muhammad images, produced by Muslims and non-Muslims, alike, and also included a contextual discussion of Islamic “blasphemy law,” which is antithetical to free speech as enshrined in the first amendment to our U.S. Constitution.

It must be emphasized, however, that The New York Times’ acquiescent dhimmitude, vis-à-vis its self-imposed “ban” on displays of any images of Islam’s prophet Muhammad, is shared uniformly by all our major television media, notably Fox News (see here; here; here; here; and here). The abject dhimmitude of Fox News is particularly egregious given the network’s continuous preening verbal support for free speech, and its history of appropriately condemning the hypocrisy of displaying works like Ofili’s Virgin Mary, but not artistic images of Muhammad.

I have included both the Ofili painting, and. just below it, Muslim “apostate” artist Bosch Fawstin’s drawing of Muhammad—a pure free speech political cartoon, which garnered first prize at the Garland conference exhibition—for juxtaposition.

Any rational, honest, objective human being should discern—and acknowledge—the stark contrast between these images.

How profound is our media dhimmitude that even “alternative” Fox News, by its repeated actions— i.e. refusing to display Fawstin’s sober, thoughtful Muhammad drawing, not Fox’s empty “free speech support” rhetoric—has effectively conflated Ofili’s dung-clotted, pornographic buttocks-collaged Virgin Mary, an “artistic” exercise in gratuitous profanity,.....

Our government and our lib/leftist media has chosen sides and its not with the American people. Its with the enemies of our nation and our culture both foreign and domestic, the muslims.
They have no problem with anything that denigrates Christianity! Yet Islam they bust thier cowardly chops to protect--which means they too are truly enemies of this nation IMHO.
They deserve to be remembered, remembered if a time for justice ever comes. - :mad::mad::mad:-Tyr

Drummond
05-31-2015, 03:44 PM
Our government and our lib/leftist media has chosen sides and its not with the American people. Its with the enemies of our nation and our culture both foreign and domestic, the muslims.
They have no problem with anything that denigrates Christianity! Yet Islam they bust thier cowardly chops to protect--which means they too are truly enemies of this nation IMHO.
They deserve to be remembered, remembered if a time for justice ever comes. - :mad::mad::mad:-Tyr:clap::clap::clap:

On a different tack (though is it quite as different as it seems ?) I'm reminded that the BBC's 'Big Questions' debating series (an hour-long programme on BBC-1, screened on Sundays) is back on air.

Usually they ask three questions, allowing 20 minutes per debating session. Today, they devoted an entire hour to just one question.

The question put was, purely and simply .. 'Is God the problem ?'. I think their intention was to try and debate whether belief in God creates more social problems than it's worth.

This is the same programme that's invited Anjem Choudary to its past debates .. multiples of times ..

I didn't watch it, but I shall if I can - if the BBC's iPlayer has a recording of it. [In fact, I'll log off for a while to check.]

Drummond
05-31-2015, 08:35 PM
:clap::clap::clap:

On a different tack (though is it quite as different as it seems ?) I'm reminded that the BBC's 'Big Questions' debating series (an hour-long programme on BBC-1, screened on Sundays) is back on air.

Usually they ask three questions, allowing 20 minutes per debating session. Today, they devoted an entire hour to just one question.

The question put was, purely and simply .. 'Is God the problem ?'. I think their intention was to try and debate whether belief in God creates more social problems than it's worth.

This is the same programme that's invited Anjem Choudary to its past debates .. multiples of times ..

I didn't watch it, but I shall if I can - if the BBC's iPlayer has a recording of it. [In fact, I'll log off for a while to check.]

For what it's worth ... I found the iPlayer copy of the broadcast, and I've watched it. Much as expected. The BBC was even more biased than usual in it.

It began with a member of the audience giving his view on God. It turned out he was a former Christian vicar .. 'former', because he'd lost his faith. In the programme, he said he didn't believe in God any more, that all God was, was Man's invention.

With an hour-long programme, a great deal of discussion followed. But it all came down to what COULD be said to be a production 'illustrating the ex-vicar's viewpoint', because it consisted of people of various faiths describing what was different between them ... as if each one was clinging to a preferred, different, fiction.

At the end of it, during the closing credits, the 'moderator' of the discussion went across and shook the ex-vicar's hand.

Noir
06-01-2015, 05:33 AM
At the end of it, during the closing credits, the 'moderator' of the discussion went across and shook the ex-vicar's hand.

Thats a bit of an odd thing to say. Did the moderator shake anyone else hand?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
06-01-2015, 07:18 AM
Thats a bit of an odd thing to say. Did the moderator shake anyone else hand?

Nothing odd about him saying that. If a guy gave a speech speaking about how he liked to molest little boys and at the conclusion you rushed over to shake his hand--the implications of that gesture are obvious and quite blatant for ALL to see.
I have not a clue about you but I've long maintained a policy not to shake hands with people I know to be , evil , bad, desperately wrong in their thinking or avidly supportive of other such people..... I do not do any PC at all.
If one goes thru life not accurately making judgments of the people they meet they will very likely suffer for such neglect/gullibility IMHO.
I do not hide my moral principles for convenience sake nor to be PC.. Thats integrity... I am sure that you'll call it something else.
Which bothers me not in the least.-Tyr

Drummond
06-01-2015, 09:10 AM
Thats a bit of an odd thing to say. Did the moderator shake anyone else hand?

Yes, I think so, but the vicar was the person first chosen.

Tell you what .. Noir, why not check out the broadcast ? If you're from Northern Ireland, the iPlayer should surely work in your location ?

I'm talking about The Big Questions, latest edition.

The point, from my point of view, is that the 'nonbeliever' vicar was the first to speak ... this set something of the tone for what followed .. and questions were repeatedly put to the debating audience, with answers supplied, suggesting throughout that belief in a God - 'any God' - was highly subjective, therefore open to the conclusion that all were inventions.

Noir
06-01-2015, 09:40 AM
Yes, I think so, but the vicar was the person first chosen.

Tell you what .. Noir, why not check out the broadcast ? If you're from Northern Ireland, the iPlayer should surely work in your location ?

I'm talking about The Big Questions, latest edition.

The point, from my point of view, is that the 'nonbeliever' vicar was the first to speak ... this set something of the tone for what followed .. and questions were repeatedly put to the debating audience, with answers supplied, suggesting throughout that belief in a God - 'any God' - was highly subjective, therefore open to the conclusion that all were inventions.

I had a watch, mostly drivel as far as i could discern, not one anti-theist viewpoint was aired (presumably just luck of the draw that they weren't picked for questioning) and some people got off with some outrageous statements...

There was the American Uni professor who described herself as a 'sometimes' prophet like Jesus and Muhammed apparently were...and the Sikh got who was decapitated by the question 'is nature amoral' and no-one bothered to follow it up because he started mumbling on about describing indescribable things and apparently that satiated the audience.

Highlight of the show had to come about midway when beardy man had had enough and shamelessly declared "I feel i have to say something on gods behalf" Brilliant :laugh:

All in all it was a good reminder as to why not to watch these programs, no one wants to really challenge anyone else for fear of coming across as rude, and there were so many to try and fit into the discussion (I think 8 panel members, plus audience!) that there was no real chance for a back and forth discussion.

As for the weird handshaking business you decided was important to have noted, you're welcome to rematch the closing seconds of the show again, Campbell shakes the hand of the bald guy on the far left, then the ex-vicar to his right, then hitchens two seats along, then the woman between the ex-vicar and hitchens the the camera cuts away, all very interesting i have to say :P

Gunny
06-01-2015, 10:44 AM
I had a watch, mostly drivel as far as i could discern, not one anti-theist viewpoint was aired (presumably just luck of the draw that they weren't picked for questioning) and some people got off with some outrageous statements...

There was the American Uni professor who described herself as a 'sometimes' prophet like Jesus and Muhammed apparently were...and the Sikh got who was decapitated by the question 'is nature amoral' and no-one bothered to follow it up because he started mumbling on about describing indescribable things and apparently that satiated the audience.

Highlight of the show had to come about midway when beardy man had had enough and shamelessly declared "I feel i have to say something on gods behalf" Brilliant :laugh:

All in all it was a good reminder as to why not to watch these programs, no one wants to really challenge anyone else for fear of coming across as rude, and there were so many to try and fit into the discussion (I think 8 panel members, plus audience!) that there was no real chance for a back and forth discussion.

As for the weird handshaking business you decided was important to have noted, you're welcome to rematch the closing seconds of the show again, Campbell shakes the hand of the bald guy on the far left, then the ex-vicar to his right, then hitchens two seats along, then the woman between the ex-vicar and hitchens the the camera cuts away, all very interesting i have to say :P

Never mind the elephant in the room.:wtf:

Voted4Reagan
06-01-2015, 11:31 AM
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Drummond
06-01-2015, 07:43 PM
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:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Classic BBC primetime viewing, and no mistake ! ... :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Drummond
06-01-2015, 07:51 PM
I had a watch, mostly drivel as far as i could discern, not one anti-theist viewpoint was aired (presumably just luck of the draw that they weren't picked for questioning) and some people got off with some outrageous statements...

There was the American Uni professor who described herself as a 'sometimes' prophet like Jesus and Muhammed apparently were...and the Sikh got who was decapitated by the question 'is nature amoral' and no-one bothered to follow it up because he started mumbling on about describing indescribable things and apparently that satiated the audience.

Highlight of the show had to come about midway when beardy man had had enough and shamelessly declared "I feel i have to say something on gods behalf" Brilliant :laugh:

All in all it was a good reminder as to why not to watch these programs, no one wants to really challenge anyone else for fear of coming across as rude, and there were so many to try and fit into the discussion (I think 8 panel members, plus audience!) that there was no real chance for a back and forth discussion.

As for the weird handshaking business you decided was important to have noted, you're welcome to rematch the closing seconds of the show again, Campbell shakes the hand of the bald guy on the far left, then the ex-vicar to his right, then hitchens two seats along, then the woman between the ex-vicar and hitchens the the camera cuts away, all very interesting i have to say :P

Except perhaps for the handshaking business (& I shall recheck in the next day or 2) I think what you've really done is to confirm my account of the programme.

The 'ex-vicar' HAD lost his faith, and declared himself to not, now, believe in a God. The hour's discussion that followed was a mishmash of various alternative viewpoints as to what their religions meant to people in the debating audience .. this illustrating a picture of total, and confusing, variability between them.

I'm convinced the BBC used the programme to push the message that no one religion had any authority or particularly significant meaning in preference to any other .. that's to say, a secular agenda was effectively advanced. And this, from THE State broadcaster ...

[The 'beardy man' ... wearing a pink shirt, I think, on the far right-hand side of the audience (from the TV viewer's perspective) ? He was the one claiming to have met God, and gained the impression that God was a man, and predominantly a very happy man ..]