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namvet
06-04-2015, 03:39 PM
June 4th, 1942 - The Battle of Midway begins. During that morning, after sending planes to attack the U.S. base at Midway, the Japanese carriers Akagi, Kaga and Soryu are fatally damaged by dive bombers from USS Enterprise (CV 6) and USS Yorktown (CV 5). Later in the day, USS Yorktown is abandoned after bomb and torpedo hits by planes from Hiryu. The latter is, in turn, knocked out by U.S. carrier planes. Compelled by their losses to abandon their plans to capture Midway, the Japanese retire westward. The battle is a decisive win for the U.S, bringing an end to Japanese naval superiority in the Pacific.

photos (http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/08/world-war-ii-battle-of-midway-and-the-aleutian-campaign/100137/)

http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/Midway07.jpg



http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/Midway04.jpg

Gunny
06-04-2015, 03:51 PM
That sucked that they sank the Yorktown. That was actually my first model kit back in the 60s.

The Japs didn't know what hit them. They thought they had sunk her in the Coral Sea.

Little-Acorn
06-04-2015, 04:09 PM
That sucked that they sank the Yorktown. That was actually my first model kit back in the 60s.

The Japs didn't know what hit them. They thought they had sunk her in the Coral Sea.

They also thought they sunk her on June 4, 1942. They left her burning and listing. But the Americans managed to put out the fires, right her, and get her going again. Then more attacks hit her again (the Japanese reported that they had attacked "a fourth carrier" when there were only three), and she was finally abandoned and sunk.

namvet
06-04-2015, 04:29 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/G13065_USS_Yorktown_Pearl_Harbor_May_1942.jpg/753px-G13065_USS_Yorktown_Pearl_Harbor_May_1942.jpg
Yorktown in drydock after the Battle of the Coral Sea.

CV-5. they renamed another carrier after her. CV-10. Under construction as BON HOMME RICHARD, this new Essex-class carrier was renamed YORKTOWN in honor of YORKTOWN (CV-5), sunk at the epic Battle of Midway (June 1942). Built in an amazing 16- months at Newport News, Virginia, YORKTOWN was commissioned on April 15, 1943, and participated significantly in the Pacific Offensive that began in late 1943 and ended with the defeat of Japan in 1945. YORKTOWN received the Presidential Unit Citation, and earned 11 battle stars for service in World War II. Much of the Academy Award-winning (1944) documentary "The Fighting Lady" was filmed on board YORKTOWN.


http://www.patriotspoint.org/news_events/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/yorktown-sm.jpg

now on display at patriots point in Charleston SC. wife an i took the tour on our honeymoon. somewhere i have some really good photos of warbirds stowed on the hanger decks.
of note here is the modification of the bow. CV5 has a wide open bow. it was changed to the closed style to prevent typhoons from ripping off the flight deck.

Jeff
06-04-2015, 04:32 PM
NV is that still the same ship on display in Charleston now ? I was there last summer I believe and the ship looked fantastic sitting out there.

Gunny
06-04-2015, 04:45 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/G13065_USS_Yorktown_Pearl_Harbor_May_1942.jpg/753px-G13065_USS_Yorktown_Pearl_Harbor_May_1942.jpg
Yorktown in drydock after the Battle of the Coral Sea.

CV-5. they renamed another carrier after her. CV-10. Under construction as BON HOMME RICHARD, this new Essex-class carrier was renamed YORKTOWN in honor of YORKTOWN (CV-5), sunk at the epic Battle of Midway (June 1942). Built in an amazing 16- months at Newport News, Virginia, YORKTOWN was commissioned on April 15, 1943, and participated significantly in the Pacific Offensive that began in late 1943 and ended with the defeat of Japan in 1945. YORKTOWN received the Presidential Unit Citation, and earned 11 battle stars for service in World War II. Much of the Academy Award-winning (1944) documentary "The Fighting Lady" was filmed on board YORKTOWN.


http://www.patriotspoint.org/news_events/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/yorktown-sm.jpg

now on display at patriots point in Charleston SC. wife an i took the tour on our honeymoon. somewhere i have some really good photos of warbirds stowed on the hanger decks.
of note here is the modification of the bow. CV5 has a wide open bow. it was changed to the closed style to prevent typhoons from ripping off the flight deck.

Like I said, don't f- with squid's boats. They're mighty particular about that sh*t. Ans so are WE. That's our ride home and there's one place we all want to get to get on T-1 ..home.

But y'all do what you want. Those MFers act like rednecks and their pickups.

namvet
06-04-2015, 04:54 PM
NV is that still the same ship on display in Charleston now ? I was there last summer I believe and the ship looked fantastic sitting out there.

yes. that's CV-10 the 2nd Yorktown. did you take the tour ??

namvet
06-04-2015, 04:57 PM
Like I said, don't f- with squid's boats. They're mighty particular about that sh*t. Ans so are WE. That's our ride home and there's one place we all want to get to get on T-1 ..home.

But y'all do what you want. Those MFers act like rednecks and their pickups.

back in those days it was the Navy that fired the big guns but marines that manned the small arms on these ships. every ship had a contingent of Marines on board

Voted4Reagan
06-04-2015, 05:09 PM
CV-5 was the original USS Yorktown... sunk at Midway

CV-10 is the ESSEX CLASS Carrier of the same name.

Her sister ship USS Intrepid (CV-11) is here in NYC

aboutime
06-04-2015, 05:19 PM
The Battle of Midway became the Turning Point for the eventual Demise of the Japanese Navy.

Thanks for remembering.


http://youtu.be/7OBw0r28qC0

namvet
06-04-2015, 06:11 PM
Bob Ballard found the Yorktown. sitting in about 17,000' of water. so deep it crushed his ROV like a beer can


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oqiWpgNC6_Y/hqdefault.jpg


http://archives.starbulletin.com/98/06/04/news/artc.gif


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VfmdLBRoFdI/hqdefault.jpg

they had a go at finding the Jap carriers but came up empty

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
06-04-2015, 08:41 PM
After the Battle of Midway a few of the top Japs realized they had bitten off more than they could chew!!
Yet to save face they tried their damn best to win regardless. American military said, no way bastards--we gonna kill the living hell out of you back stabbing bastards!
And we did!!!-- :salute:--Tyr

WiccanLiberal
06-04-2015, 09:27 PM
The famous director made a feature documentary later but he was actually at Midway as an OSS officer. He filmed many sequences of actual combat.


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Gunny
06-05-2015, 12:08 AM
The famous director made a feature documentary later but he was actually at Midway as an OSS officer. He filmed many sequences of actual combat.


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Those are SBD Dauntless divebombers. Almost every one was shot down. They didn't give an inch.

Gunny
06-05-2015, 12:14 AM
Those are SBD Dauntless divebombers. Almost every one was shot down. They didn't give an inch.

You fuck with the best you die like the rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjzjhl-QztE

Voted4Reagan
06-05-2015, 12:28 AM
Those are SBD Dauntless divebombers. Almost every one was shot down. They didn't give an inch.

Actually Gunny... it was the TBD Devastator Torpedo Bombers that were canon Fodder for the Japanese. It was the Dauntless that sank all four carriers. The losses of the Dauntless were nothing compared to the Devastators.

Little-Acorn
06-05-2015, 12:32 AM
Those are SBD Dauntless divebombers. Almost every one was shot down. They didn't give an inch.

Yes, they are Dauntlesses. But many of them made it back to their ships after striking the enemy at Midway. The ones that didn't make it back, mostly ditched when their fuel ran out. They had been launched at extreme range, and then sent after the Japanese in a relatively uncoordinated attack.

You may be thinking of the torpedo bombers, nearly all of which WERE shot down. Out of three squadrons (one per carrier), I think four planes total made it back.

Normal doctrine was to send in the fighters and dive bombers (Dauntlesses) first, to keep the defending fighters busy, and then have the torpedo bombers slip in at wavetop height to deliver the fatal blow to the enemy ships (a "coordinated attack"). But it didn't work out that way at Midway on June 4, 1942.

Due to slow launches and other problems, the Dauntlesses went in first, without the torpedo planes or escort fighters. And many of them got lost on the way, so milled back and forth across the ocean. The torpedo bombers (which were slower and launched later) went relatively straight to the target, and attacked first. They were easy prey, with only a few American fighter planes along to defend them, and the Japanese Zero fighters annihilated them. NONE of the Japanese ships suffered any damage from American torpedo planes.

ALL the Japanese Zeros came down to wavetop level to chase the torpedo bombers - big mistake. So when the Dauntless dive bombers showed up overhead, the upper sky was undefended, and they were able to make accurate, uninterrupted bombing runs, destroying three of the four Japanese carriers. They got the fourth one the next day - a clean sweep of the Japanese carriers.

The most amazing part of the Midway battle on June 4, was that the torpedo bombers kept attacking the Japanese carriers, even though they were almost helpless while making their necessarily slow and straight torpedo runs, while hordes of tough, experienced Japanese fighters swarmed all over them. The pilots watched nearly ALL of their friends and comrades getting slaughtered, blown out of the sky one after the other, and they still kept on boring in. This caused the Japanese to concentrate all their defenses against them (wiping them out), and distracted the Japanese enough that they forgot to defend against attack from above. The bravery of those torpedo bomber crews (most of whom died) turned the tide of the battle, and of the whole Pacific war.

Jeff
06-05-2015, 01:38 AM
yes. that's CV-10 the 2nd Yorktown. did you take the tour ??

No this last time I was there I didn't but I did back when I was a kid, heck I have pictures with shells standing taller than I was.

Voted4Reagan
06-05-2015, 09:19 AM
No this last time I was there I didn't but I did back when I was a kid, heck I have pictures with shells standing taller than I was.

the biggest shell that CV-10 Carried was the 5"X 38 CAL Shell for her twin mount AA Batteries.

tHEY MUST HAVE A 16" Shell from the USS North Carolina on board. Only shell that would be bigger than you.

Jeff
06-05-2015, 09:32 AM
the biggest shell that CV-10 Carried was the 5"X 38 CAL Shell for her twin mount AA Batteries.

tHEY MUST HAVE A 16" Shell from the USS North Carolina on board. Only shell that would be bigger than you.

Honestly all I remember is a picture where I had long hair ( Dad got the clipping shears out after that vacation I remember ) and the shell was taller than I, it may have been another ship, hell I was young. My dad was in the CB's and loved to check out the ships when on Vacation, so yes I could of been mistaken.In fact I can remember walking across the deck of one ship and there was huge fish swimming all around the boat, yup I was that young, I was more interested in the fish.

namvet
06-05-2015, 09:42 AM
the biggest shell that CV-10 Carried was the 5"X 38 CAL Shell for her twin mount AA Batteries.

tHEY MUST HAVE A 16" Shell from the USS North Carolina on board. Only shell that would be bigger than you.

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2002.web.dir/Brian_Marsh/shellsbig.jpg

taller than me. I stood next to one on deck for the new Jersey. it had a manufacture year of 1937 stamped on it. it was made for Tojo not Ho chi minh

Gunny
06-05-2015, 10:02 AM
Actually Gunny... it was the TBD Devastator Torpedo Bombers that were canon Fodder for the Japanese. It was the Dauntless that sank all four carriers. The losses of the Dauntless were nothing compared to the Devastators.

I stand corrected. I forgot about the Devastators. The world's worst dive bomber. :laugh:

Voted4Reagan
06-05-2015, 11:13 AM
I stand corrected. I forgot about the Devastators. The world's worst dive bomber. :laugh:

No.. The TBD Devastator was a Torpedo-Bomber, The SBD Dauntless was a Dive Bomber. The Devastator was replaced by the AVENGER torpedo plane and the Dauntless was replaced by the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver. Fighters at Midway were the Grumman F-4f Wildcat on the 3 US Carriers. Replaced by the F-6F Hellcat and the F-8F Bearcat at the end of the War.

Douglass Devastator

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Douglas-Devastator/IMAGES/Douglas-TBD-Devastator-Title.jpg

Grumman TBF Avenger

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Grumman-Avenger/IMAGES/Grumman-Avenger-Inflight1.jpg

Dauntless Dive Bomber

http://www.threedonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Dauntless.jpg

Sb2C HellDiver

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Curtiss_SB2C_col.jpg

namvet
06-05-2015, 01:50 PM
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Photos%20Three/Akagi-1934.jpg
Akagi, 1934 (sunk at Midway)

aboutime
06-05-2015, 01:54 PM
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Photos%20Three/Akagi-1934.jpg
Akagi, 1934 (sunk at Midway)


namvet. Thanks for that photo. But it reminded me of a song most of us still like.

Looking at the wing emblems with the Japanese RISING SUN?

That ship eventually became the House of the SINKING SUN!:laugh:
By the way. That is a WORLD WAR 1 japanese flattop.

namvet
06-05-2015, 01:58 PM
Kamikaze v Yorktown

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Photos%20Three/Kamikaze-v-Yorktown.jpg

namvet
06-05-2015, 02:20 PM
namvet. Thanks for that photo. But it reminded me of a song most of us still like.

Looking at the wing emblems with the Japanese RISING SUN?

That ship eventually became the House of the SINKING SUN!:laugh:
By the way. That is a WORLD WAR 1 japanese flattop.


that's actually the battle cruiser version. it was under construction at the end of WW1 and converted to a flattop

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Photos%20Three/Akagi-deck.jpg

the had so damned many conversion jobs

aboutime
06-05-2015, 02:24 PM
that's actually the battle cruiser version. it was under construction at the end of WW1 and converted to a flattop

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Photos%20Three/Akagi-deck.jpg

the had so damned many conversion jobs

Agreed. But in the first photo. Those are WWI bi-wing, japanese planes.

namvet
06-05-2015, 02:29 PM
Agreed. But in the first photo. Those are WWI bi-wing, japanese planes.

oh for sure. im surprised they didn't build em and sell to the germans