Trump Disinvited To Red State Gathering

[Kathianne]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-kicked-out-of-redstate-gathering/article/2569865


ATLANTA — Erick Erickson has rescinded Donald Trump's invitation to appear at the Red State Gathering on Saturday. Erickson, the conservative editor of RedState.com, posted a message on Twitter saying he had decided to disinvite the reality television star because of indecent comments he made on Friday.

"I have rescinded my invitation to Mr.Trump. While I have tried to give him great latitude, his remark about Megyn Kelly was a bridge too far," Erickson explained (https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/629856397899923456) on Twitter.


Trump threw a tantrum on Twitter about the treatment he received at the Thursday debate from Fox News' hosts, specifically Kelly. On Friday, he appeared on CNN to say he had "no respect" for her.


"You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever," Trump said.


Trump has yet to comment on Erickson's decision. Carly Fiorina, the only major female GOP presidential candidate, wasted no time in rebuking Trump for his remarks about Kelly.


Erickson made his decision to rescind Trump's invitation public shortly before midnight on Saturday morning. Earlier this week, Erickson touted Trump's scheduled appearance to loud applause from conservative activists. RedState has been promoting his appearance at the event a few days and repeatedly talked about the large crowd it expected would attend the tailgate celebration featuring Trump.


Approximately one hour before Erickson kicked Trump off the official schedule, the Trump campaign emailed reporters about his appearance in Atlanta and his media availability after the "Keynote speech" that he was expected to deliver. The Trump campaign has not yet responded to the Washington Examiner's request for comment on the developing situation.


Erickson has since posted a statement (http://www.redstate.com/2015/08/07/i-have-disinvited-donald-trump-to-the-redstate-gathering/) on RedState.com, in which he said it was unfortunate to have to disinvite Trump, but "I just don't want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal."


"I have tried to give a great deal of latitude to Donald Trump in his run for the presidency," Erickson wrote. "He is not a professional politician and is known for being a blunt talker. He connects with so much of the anger in the Republican base and is not afraid to be outspoken on a lot of issues. But there are even lines blunt talkers and unprofessional politicians should not cross. Decency is one of those lines. As much as I do personally like Donald Trump, his comment about Megyn Kelly on CNN is a bridge too far for me."


A Trump campaign spokesperson said Trump will now be stopping at a different location on Saturday.


"This is just another example of weakness through being politically correct," the Trump campaign told the Washington Examiner in a statement. "For all of the people who were looking forward to Mr. Trump coming, we will miss you. Blame Erick Erickson, your weak and pathetic leader."

[hjmick]

Good.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-kicked-out-of-redstate-gathering/article/2569865
Erickson going the damn PC ROUTE--FF HIM TOO.
I AM SICK OF THESE PEOPLE IN POSITIONS POSING TO BE ONE THING WHILE HIDING TO DO ANOTHER.
KELLY HAS NOW GIVEN CREDENCE TO THE LYING WAR ON WOMEN SCAM THE DEMS ARE USING TO PAINT REPUBLICANS!
And Erickson by his action just confirmed her confirmation.
He is a piece of shit IMHO.
I will now find a way to go say that to him . Although Id love to do it face to face thats not possible, but how dearly Id love to deliver it face to face!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad: -Tyr

[Kathianne]

Erickson going the damn PC ROUTE--FF HIM TOO.
I AM SICK OF THESE PEOPLE IN POSITIONS POSING TO BE ONE THING WHILE HIDING TO DO ANOTHER.
KELLY HAS NOW GIVEN CREDENCE TO THE LYING WAR ON WOMEN SCAM THE DEMS ARE USING TO PAINT REPUBLICANS!
And Erickson by his action just confirmed her confirmation.
He is a piece of shit IMHO.
I will now find a way to go say that to him . Although Id love to do it face to face thats not possible, but how dearly Id love to deliver it face to face!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad: -Tyr

Or Trump may actually be a misogynist?

[tailfins]

Or Trump may actually be a misogynist?

He's a stupid one at that. As a member of the "club", I look down on him the same way a weed smoker would look down on another weed smoker for getting busted. Trump would have gotten more mileage out of calling her "Megyn Crowley".

[tailfins]

It turns out that the Apprentice quote is a false accusation from Megyn Kelly. That means Trump handled this with bluster instead of evidence. Trump should have attacked Kelly's truthfulness, not her gender. What Trump said doesn't bother me. However, he has shown that he is not ready for a Presidential campaign.

[gabosaurus]

Republicans should consider this: Trump has proven that he can not win the female vote or the Latino vote. Who is left to vote for him?

[tailfins]

Republicans should consider this: Trump has proven that he can not win the female vote or the Latino vote. Who is left to vote for him?

They will. Trump looks bigger than he is because his support level in the 20-something percent range LOOKS big when the remainder is divided among so many other candidates.

[gabosaurus]

Republicans should be more worried about Trump's willingness to run as a third-party candidate. Which would kill any GOP candidate's chance of getting elected.

[tailfins]

Republicans should be more worried about Trump's willingness to run as a third-party candidate. Which would kill any GOP candidate's chance of getting elected.

No more than John Anderson (a former Republican) killed Ronald Reagan's chances. Republicans need to wake up to the idea that Trump is a Clinton plant and craft a strategy to that reality. That includes an examination of what is attracting voters to Trump.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No more than John Anderson (a former Republican) killed Ronald Reagan's chances. Republicans need to wake up to the idea that Trump is a Clinton plant and craft a strategy to that reality. That includes an examination of what is attracting voters to Trump.



Republicans need to wake up to the idea that Trump is a Clinton plant and craft a strategy to that reality.

Really! So this massive, massive egotist Trump would pass up on a real shot at being President of the United States in order to help Hillary win!????
Do tell why and be so kind as to let us know how you know he is a plant.
The swearing allegiance question was meant entirely to sink him and he had no damn reason to swear to that since the stinking Republican leadership would hold him to that oath as they went ahead and tried to destroy him .
He was smart to not give it and keep his option to run third party as a counter to the measures they will or else would run against him. Just shows smart thinking as far as I can determine. I wouldn't have sworn to it either to people hellbent on destroying me!
Would you?-Tyr

[NightTrain]

Meh.

Erickson shot himself in the foot by disinviting the current frontrunner. Now he's stuck with Perry, Jindal and Cruz.

I can't see any upside to this move for Erickson, other than some free press - but I think he would have gotten a lot more exposure with Trump giving the keynote as planned.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Meh.

Erickson shot himself in the foot by disinviting the current frontrunner. Now he's stuck with Perry, Jindal and Cruz.

I can't see any upside to this move for Erickson, other than some free press - but I think he would have gotten a lot more exposure with Trump giving the keynote as planned.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to NightTrain again.
If given half a chance, Id slap hell out of ERICKSON.
His action just confirmed that the dem's false "war on women" accusation against our candidates is true.
He just found Trump guilty and perhaps is too stupid to see how that will be played by the dems.
Yes sir. I'd love to have the chance to slap him on his ass . Not joking..-Tyr

[tailfins]

Yes sir. I'd love to have the chance to slap him on his ass . Not joking..-Tyr

That sounds like some kind of man-love dynamic. Freudian slip?

Limbaugh does a parody called "The man who spanked Liberty Valance". Could you be the man that spanked Erick Erickson? Did you know that Erickson uses a hyphenated name on LinkedIn? Could he be a closet feminist?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ewerickson

You will also see that in that link that he is bought and paid for by Fox News. I don't support Donald Trump, however it's ridiculous that Fox News decided to go all MSNBC on him.

[Abbey Marie]

Really! So this massive, massive egotist Trump would pass up on a real shot at being President of the United States in order to help Hillary win!????
Do tell why and be so kind as to let us know how you know he is a plant.
The swearing allegiance question was meant entirely to sink him and he had no damn reason to swear to that since the stinking Republican leadership would hold him to that oath as they went ahead and tried to destroy him .
He was smart to not give it and keep his option to run third party as a counter to the measures they will or else would run against him. Just shows smart thinking as far as I can determine. I wouldn't have sworn to it either to people hellbent on destroying me!
Would you?-Tyr

Tyr, we really don't know, but please thoughtfully consider these two points:

1. He is not acting like someone who really wants to be President. And I get the feeling he sees this a sort of a lark. Any advisor will tell him that this mouthing off will turn off most people. It's apparently fine in business, but people really want someone fairly calm and respectful in the Oval Office.

2. He has the real capacity to divide the party and ensure a Dem win. Any dem.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That sounds like some kind of man-love dynamic. Freudian slip?

Limbaugh does a parody called "The man who spanked Liberty Valance". Could you be the man that spanked Erick Erickson? Did you know that Erickson uses a hyphenated name on LinkedIn? Could he be a closet feminist?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ewerickson

You will also see that in that link that he is bought and paid for by Fox News. I don't support Donald Trump, however it's ridiculous that Fox News decided to go all MSNBC on him.

Get your mind out of the gutter TF.
Slap is not-spank-- except perhaps to you it is but thats your problem not mine. Saying, "slap a man on his ass" , is Southern lingo for knock him out. You adding sex to the equation reveals much about you but nothing about what I stated and its true meaning. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr, we really don't know, but please thoughtfully consider these two points:

1. He is not acting like someone who really wants to be President. And I get the feeling he sees this a sort of a lark. Any advisor will tell him that this mouthing off will turn off most people. It's apparently fine in business, but people really want someone fairly calm and respectful in the Oval Office.

2. He has the real capacity to divide the party and ensure a Dem win. Any dem.

Agreed that number 2 is a possibility however slight.
He can not go third party if he gets the nod--no reason to do that.
I think he is now in it to win it. If so, I am as of now with him even with my liking three of the other candidates a lot. Time will tell my friend.. -Tyr

[gabosaurus]

Tyr, we really don't know, but please thoughtfully consider these two points:

1. He is not acting like someone who really wants to be President. And I get the feeling he sees this a sort of a lark. Any advisor will tell him that this mouthing off will turn off most people. It's apparently fine in business, but people really want someone fairly calm and respectful in the Oval Office.

2. He has the real capacity to divide the party and ensure a Dem win. Any dem.

Trump is not looking to represent the Republican party. He is looking to represent himself. There is a reason why Trump has never held political office. You are seeing it during this campaign.
Abbey brings up a great point. Big business is like the military. Someone tells you what to do and you do it.
Trump is used to everyone agreeing with him. He can tell dirty jokes and people will laugh. He can be insulting and demeaning and no one will question him. If you are in the military and are in training, you follow orders. You will roll through a briar patch and jump head first into an ant hill.

Like it or not, The President of the United States needs decorum. He has to show dignity and respect. The President can't go to Germany or Brazil and call their president a fat pig. He can't go to England and make jokes about the Queen.
Donald Trump might be smart enough to be a billionaire. But he is certainly not smart enough to be President.

[Solo]

I dont think trump cares about the far right or the far left. I think hes catering to independents who can win the election for him. I think there lies most of his appeal right now

[Kathianne]

I dont think trump cares about the far right or the far left. I think hes catering to independents who can win the election for him. I think there lies most of his appeal right nowumm, no.

[Solo]

umm, no.

no what

[Drummond]

Or Trump may actually be a misogynist?

Congratulations.

The BBC's own reporting reflects their preference that Americans choose to think that.

But then, their Leftie biases are well known. They have their agenda to advance. The more people fall for it, the happier they'll be.

[Drummond]

Trump is not looking to represent the Republican party. He is looking to represent himself. There is a reason why Trump has never held political office. You are seeing it during this campaign.
Abbey brings up a great point. Big business is like the military. Someone tells you what to do and you do it.
Trump is used to everyone agreeing with him. He can tell dirty jokes and people will laugh. He can be insulting and demeaning and no one will question him. If you are in the military and are in training, you follow orders. You will roll through a briar patch and jump head first into an ant hill.

Like it or not, The President of the United States needs decorum. He has to show dignity and respect. The President can't go to Germany or Brazil and call their president a fat pig. He can't go to England and make jokes about the Queen.
Donald Trump might be smart enough to be a billionaire. But he is certainly not smart enough to be President.

.. no bias there, then ......:rolleyes:

The current controversy about Trump focuses upon the effects of a low blow delivered by Megyn Kelly. The Left is trying to capitalise on it, for all it's worth (.. aren't you, Gabby ?).

Now, do the Left deserve to have you all give them their victory, OR NOT ?

[Kathianne]

Congratulations.

The BBC's own reporting reflects their preference that Americans choose to think that.

But then, their Leftie biases are well known. They have their agenda to advance. The more people fall for it, the happier they'll be.

Yeah, cause the bbc really influences our elections.

[gabosaurus]

At the end of the debate, Trump openly stated that we could not commit to support the 2016 GOP candidate unless it was him. This is should speak loudly and clearly that Trump is only in this for himself. He clearly believes that he can buy the election.

Republicans need to consider what will happen if Trump makes it on the ballot, in any form. Women and minorities will turn out in record numbers. And they will NOT be voting Republican.
Think of how this will effect the lower ballot candidates, such as those in Senate and House races. Those pissed off by Trump (and say, Ted Cruz) would cast mass Democratic ballots that could put both the White and both houses of Congress in Democratic control. Not to mention a lot of state races.

You might like what Trump says and how he says it. But you need to consider how his presence could effect the 2016 election as a whole.

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11828799_1019198748110878_2200692016067481051_n.jp g?oh=e06c27a8c4319ce7b2cc4becaaa096f9&oe=5653FABE

[Kathianne]

At the end of the debate, Trump openly stated that we could not commit to support the 2016 GOP candidate unless it was him. This is should speak loudly and clearly that Trump is only in this for himself. He clearly believes that he can buy the election.

Republicans need to consider what will happen if Trump makes it on the ballot, in any form. Women and minorities will turn out in record numbers. And they will NOT be voting Republican.
Think of how this will effect the lower ballot candidates, such as those in Senate and House races. Those pissed off by Trump (and say, Ted Cruz) would cast mass Democratic ballots that could put both the White and both houses of Congress in Democratic control. Not to mention a lot of state races.

You might like what Trump says and how he says it. But you need to consider how his presence could effect the 2016 election as a whole.

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11828799_1019198748110878_2200692016067481051_n.jp g?oh=e06c27a8c4319ce7b2cc4becaaa096f9&oe=5653FABE

He said that at the beginning of the debate, raising his hand as asked by moderator.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yeah, cause the bbc really influences our elections.
Our elections not so much, but it does influence many of our lefties and other socialists here that insanely cry out we should be more like Europe! obama himself thinks that way and has cited the European socialistic methods as models etc.-Tyr

[Drummond]

Yeah, cause the bbc really influences our elections.

If they haven't already, they might in the future, for a couple of reasons.

One is that you might get a President installed who cares a lot about his image abroad. In Obama, you have just such a President, who gains comfort from his understanding that foreigners think more highly of him than his own people do (!). So ... that one's already actually happened. And, he's courted attention from the BBC lately .. a 25 minute 'exclusive' interview that the BBC went 'ape' about, even making it their lead news story (!!!) .. before screening it FOUR times, in 24 hours !! Michelle Obama gave them their own 20 minute speech, which will get a minimum of SIX replays. Sir David Attenborough was videoed having a chat in the Oval Office with Obama, which, too, the BBC widely publicised. Attenborough throughout acted like he was humbled to be in the presence of Such A Great Man, and this impression dominated the entire interview.

'Coups' like these are gold-dust to any President wanting favourable overseas exposure, which in turn may be fed back to the American media, and be reported appropriately. Americans who think their standing abroad is an important part of what makes a President a good one to have, will want to see one installed with the greatest likelihood of having a good international image.

Another is that BBC World is transmitted in America .. and, the BBC runs its own pay channel in America, I believe ? (.. something which turns their system of broadcasting at home on its head ..). So, they have a direct link into homes in America, If they have that, then they have potential to be a direct influence.

It's not as though British media influence hasn't already been tried. The British Guardian newspaper (.. Gabby's favourite ? ..) tried, in 2004, I think, to swing the votes in Clark County so that the Dems won there. They failed, because Clark County residents resented interference from abroad. BUT .. the BBC has a very subtle way of propagandising. Over time, they can sneak attitudes in that a more direct approach wouldn't be successful with.

A responsible President will care about the nature and quality of overseas relations. The BBC can work on perceptions in the UK (they're working hard on that right now with Trump, trying to prove he's unfit for Office), this all skewing how our people think. Our politicians, in turn, have to be receptive to the mood of their people (it was said that Labour lost their recent election by failing in that regard). This, in turn, affects their internationally-based decision-making.

[LongTermGuy]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-kicked-out-of-redstate-gathering/article/2569865

Ohhhhh....ahhhhhh...Scary...wow! Oh my friggen gosh...Look at that:lol: !!!

Who gives a shit what the Rhinos do...think or say...or what the anti-Trump fools THINK.....

All the Jobless Candidates looking to get hired by the "AMERICAN" People... depend on others for money...."Donations don't come free"...They are all weak (except maybe Cruz) But all depend on others for money to keep going....They are all like choir boys when it comes to negotiations or even making things happen... WEAK!....

When dealing with the Deceitful cancer of Liberalism with its many heads and roots embedded in our country...and the nasty Virus of islam...we need tough and Ruthless...and someone who doesn't owe anybody or depend on anyone....Tired of the weak "PC" fools....and jobless wannabee Politicians...

Trump 2016!

:salute:

[LongTermGuy]

I dont think trump cares about the far right or the far left. I think hes catering to independents who can win the election for him. I think there lies most of his appeal right now

Solo...Trump cares for America...cause he knows she is in trouble...The left right middle bull-Crap don't matter...Trump doesnt need a job or even have to do this...But he chooses too...

[Drummond]

Our elections not so much, but it does influence many of our lefties and other socialists here that insanely cry out we should be more like Europe! obama himself thinks that way and has cited the European socialistic methods as models etc.-Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Excellent points.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Ohhhhh....ahhhhhh...Scary...wow! Oh my friggen gosh...Look at that:lol: !!!

Who gives a shit what the Rhinos do...think or say...or what the anti-Trump fools THINK.....

All the Jobless Candidates looking to get hired by the "AMERICAN" People... depend on others for money...."Donations don't come free"...They are all weak (except maybe Cruz) But all depend on others for money to keep going....They are all like choir boys when it comes to negotiations or even making things happen... WEAK!....

When dealing with the Deceitful cancer of Liberalism with its many heads and roots embedded in our country...and the nasty Virus of islam...we need tough and Ruthless...and someone who doesn't owe anybody or depend on anyone....Tired of the weak "PC" fools....and jobless wannabee Politicians...

Trump 2016!

:salute:
A bit strong but basically I agree. :beer:--Tyr

[Drummond]

A bit strong but basically I agree. :beer:--Tyr
I'd say GRATIFYINGLY strong. I, too, agree. :beer:

[Kathianne]

Ohhhhh....ahhhhhh...Scary...wow! Oh my friggen gosh...Look at that:lol: !!!

Who gives a shit what the Rhinos do...think or say...or what the anti-Trump fools THINK.....

All the Jobless Candidates looking to get hired by the "AMERICAN" People... depend on others for money...."Donations don't come free"...They are all weak (except maybe Cruz) But all depend on others for money to keep going....They are all like choir boys when it comes to negotiations or even making things happen... WEAK!....

When dealing with the Deceitful cancer of Liberalism with its many heads and roots embedded in our country...and the nasty Virus of islam...we need tough and Ruthless...and someone who doesn't owe anybody or depend on anyone....Tired of the weak "PC" fools....and jobless wannabee Politicians...

Trump 2016!

:salute:


A bit strong but basically I agree. :beer:--Tyr


I'd say GRATIFYINGLY strong. I, too, agree. :beer:

I'm glad you all have a candidate that you can rally around. Really. I do think you should take a hard look at all the folks you've had to refer to as RINOs, liberals, etc.

Sometimes it's not everyone else.

[gabosaurus]

Solo...Trump cares for America...cause he knows she is in trouble...

Totally incorrect. Donald Trump does not care for America. Donald Trump cares about Donald Trump.

To answer Drummond, I do like The Guardian. I read it every day. Along with The Age from Melbourne. They are two of the best newspapers in the world. Because they answer to no one. They don't rely on advertising or political patronage to remain alive.
You certainly say the same about The Sun. With its Page 3 topless girls and sensationalist news slant. Go try to find a copy of The Sun in Liverpool.

[Drummond]

I'm glad you all have a candidate that you can rally around. Really.

Thank you, Kathianne. Very kind of you.


I do think you should take a hard look at all the folks you've had to refer to as RINOs, liberals, etc.

Sometimes it's not everyone else.

What good does it do to expose yourself unnecessarily to low-grade, or otherwise poisonous, influences ?

Putting it another way .. why not want the BEST for your country, and just aim for that ?

[Drummond]

Totally incorrect. Donald Trump does not care for America. Donald Trump cares about Donald Trump.

What an amazing insight. Tell me, how did you acquire the means to shine a laser-beam into his very soul, and access the essence of the man ?

Or could it be that you're just working to satisfy your own agenda ? Surely NOT ........ :rolleyes::rolleyes:


To answer Drummond, I do like The Guardian. I read it every day.

How shocking. I'd NEVER have guessed ..... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Were you reading it, at the time they tried to skew the Clark County result in favour of the Dems ? And tell us, do you approve of foreigners trying to subvert democratic process so that it serves THEIR interests, not that of the American people themselves ?


..Along with The Age from Melbourne. They are two of the best newspapers in the world. Because they answer to no one.

You're sure about that ?

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They don't rely on advertising or political patronage to remain alive.

Really ?

The Guardian may rely on, and even insist upon, editorial independence. But the other side of this coin is that they get revenue from people and organisations who are well aware of the Guardian's 'mission' ... and were it not for that, I'm sure they'd steer clear of using the Guardian. So there's a dependence-factor involved, regardless of what you claim to be true.


You certainly say the same about The Sun. With its Page 3 topless girls and sensationalist news slant. Go try to find a copy of The Sun in Liverpool.

Can't say I've ever tried. Perhaps I'd fail, because they're bought up all too quickly ???

Page 3, by the way, has been set aside for such pictures for a number of DECADES. If that didn't pay dividends for that paper, they'd have stopped it long ago.



But then, Liverpool is a special case, as I suspect you already know. Home to Derek Hatton, an outrageous Leftie militant upstart, from decades ago. The lowest of the Leftie low. Even the Labour Party didn't want him back !!! Yes, Gabby -- Liverpool has its 'claim to fame'. Or is that .... 'infamy' ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32909887


Labour's general secretary has objected to a bid by former firebrand councillor Derek Hatton to rejoin the party.

Mr Hatton, the former deputy leader of Liverpool City Council, was thrown out of Labour in 1986 for belonging to the left-wing Militant faction.

The 67-year-old told ITV Granada he had rejoined the party two days after its general election defeat. "I just felt I should do something," he said, saying there was now "no difference between the parties".

However he will need to appeal against the objection, from general secretary Iain McNicol, if he wants to continue with his application.

[I]The Militant Tendency, which emerged from a Trotskyist group called the Revolutionary Socialist League, held key positions in the Liverpool Labour Party as it battled the Conservative Thatcher government in the 1980s.

After the then party leader Neil Kinnock condemned the council's actions, Mr Hatton, a former firefighter who had been elected to the city council in 1979, was expelled when a disciplinary panel found him guilty of membership of the Militant Tendency and of manipulating the rules of the district Labour Party.

Folks, if you thought Obama was bad, you should try getting a dose of Hatton's Leftieness ....

[Kathianne]

Thank you, Kathianne. Very kind of you.



What good does it do to expose yourself unnecessarily to low-grade, or otherwise poisonous, influences ?

Putting it another way .. why not want the BEST for your country, and just aim for that ?

Enjoy your guy.

[DragonStryk72]

Congratulations.

The BBC's own reporting reflects their preference that Americans choose to think that.

But then, their Leftie biases are well known. They have their agenda to advance. The more people fall for it, the happier they'll be.

Okay, seriously, I've met the guy, he's a misogynist. I'm sorry, but this is one of those occurrences where the angle the news is taking does line up with reality. Even Fox jumps on this one, and they're the right-leaning news station here.

I get the tendency to try and defend someone who is "on your side", but honestly, none of these candidates really seem to be on our side. They spout whatever they figure will rally the base they need for the win, simple as that.

[SassyLady]

Trump is a bully and definitely a misogynist.

I haven't met him personally, but have attended events where he was the keynote speaker and interacted with small groups after. Just because I might agree with some things he says does not mean I support him for President. He is not presidential material. He is a rabble rouser and it seems this is needed at this stage of the game to get people to pay attention to the dire state our country is in.

He will bring attention to the issues because of his bombastic style but he's too volatile to be President.

[SassyLady]

Okay, seriously, I've met the guy, he's a misogynist. I'm sorry, but this is one of those occurrences where the angle the news is taking does line up with reality. Even Fox jumps on this one, and they're the right-leaning news station here.

I get the tendency to try and defend someone who is "on your side", but honestly, none of these candidates really seem to be on our side. They spout whatever they figure will rally the base they need for the win, simple as that.

At this time I feel that Carly and Carson get it and are not necessarily on "our side" because they are running on platform that is best for America .... not only on the side of conservatism. Both of them impress me with how they don't espouse party lines. However, I just don't think Carson can hang in there for the long haul. Too nice, whereas Carly has shown that she can play hardball with the big boys without flinching.

Obama was elected because a majority of people thought it was "time" for a black President. Now, people think it's "time" for a female president. Clinton doesn't have serious competition in her party because they feel it's "time" for a woman and won't put serious candidates against her. Therefore, if we are going to have a woman as President, we should put a strong woman candidate on the ticket as well so there is a choice about ideology and not just gender.

[Solo]

Totally incorrect. Donald Trump does not care for America. Donald Trump cares about Donald Trump.

To answer Drummond, I do like The Guardian. I read it every day. Along with The Age from Melbourne. They are two of the best newspapers in the world. Because they answer to no one. They don't rely on advertising or political patronage to remain alive.
You certainly say the same about The Sun. With its Page 3 topless girls and sensationalist news slant. Go try to find a copy of The Sun in Liverpool.


Donald wants to be president because he thinks he should and because he wants to be able to say he was. You are correct, dontald only cares about donald.

But hes appealing to a base, he pulled 47% out of the debate on a drudge Poll no one else came even close. WHO is voting for him in the polls ?

[SassyLady]

Donald wants to be president because he thinks he should and because he wants to be able to say he was. You are correct, dontald only cares about donald.

But hes appealing to a base, he pulled 47% out of the debate on a drudge Poll no one else came even close. WHO is voting for him in the polls ?

Oh darn, I can't remember the exact quote but something about "the wheel that squeaks the loudest gets the grease".

[Jeff]

Tyr, we really don't know, but please thoughtfully consider these two points:

1. He is not acting like someone who really wants to be President. And I get the feeling he sees this a sort of a lark. Any advisor will tell him that this mouthing off will turn off most people. It's apparently fine in business, but people really want someone fairly calm and respectful in the Oval Office.

2. He has the real capacity to divide the party and ensure a Dem win. Any dem.

Abbey although I do agree with a lot of what you say, I also feel the country has changed. 1) Look at the idiot in charge when he doesn't get what he wants, hell you can see smoke coming out of those big ears and then he pouts like a little girl, no longer do we have men in office that push for what they want and when they loose they regroup and attack from another angle, I think Trump's out burst and no worst than Obama's hissy fits.

2) worries me a lot, but if the people vote for Hillary and she gets in even with a 3rd party than it doesn't matter, if Trump drops out right now or wins the nomination she is going to win, after all she has done and all the scandals, lies and illegal sheot, if she can get any votes she will get enough to win no matter what. I say this because she will get the black and Latino vote ( more than likley ) if she gets the woman, and liberal vote she wins hands down, on the other hand if people vote with their head then she doesn't get more than a couple of hundred votes and those will be the people interviewed and asked what they think of her choice of VP Donald Trump and the idiots will say, love him.

[Kathianne]

no what

He's not popular with independents that vote.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/

[Kathianne]

Donald wants to be president because he thinks he should and because he wants to be able to say he was. You are correct, dontald only cares about donald.

But hes appealing to a base, he pulled 47% out of the debate on a drudge Poll no one else came even close. WHO is voting for him in the polls ?

The Drudge poll is a poll of his readers. Drudge loves readers, loves them! He has been featuring Donald a lot, brings more readers!

It's an incestuous poll, Donald loves it! He's citing it.

[Gunny]

So the bickering begins. I think this just about here conservatives left off the last two elections.

While Trump ranks 17th in the field of 16 with me, this wah-wahing for Megyn Kelly is undeserved. She went after Trump and he fired back. Anyone expecting anything else needs to lay off the hash pipe. She appeared to take personal exception to his answers and was, IMO, rather unprofessional as a s0-called unbiased mediator in a debate.

[Jeff]

Solo...Trump cares for America...cause he knows she is in trouble...The left right middle bull-Crap don't matter...Trump doesnt need a job or even have to do this...But he chooses too...

I think Trump cares simply because this is where his bread and butter is, he makes his money here. I am sure he can and does make money in other countries but he wants America back on it's feet so he can continue to build his fortune, after the last 7 years we are no longer the strongest Country in fact I wonder if we are even considered one of the type 5, Trump has watched Obama destroy this country and it's reputation throughout the world, I believe yes it is for personal reasons that he wants to get us back on top, but hell who cares as long as we return to our once powerful reputation throughout the world.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Trump is not looking to represent the Republican party. He is looking to represent himself. There is a reason why Trump has never held political office. You are seeing it during this campaign.
Abbey brings up a great point. Big business is like the military. Someone tells you what to do and you do it.
Trump is used to everyone agreeing with him. He can tell dirty jokes and people will laugh. He can be insulting and demeaning and no one will question him. If you are in the military and are in training, you follow orders. You will roll through a briar patch and jump head first into an ant hill.

Like it or not, The President of the United States needs decorum. He has to show dignity and respect. The President can't go to Germany or Brazil and call their president a fat pig. He can't go to England and make jokes about the Queen.
Donald Trump might be smart enough to be a billionaire. But he is certainly not smart enough to be President.


Like it or not, The President of the United States needs decorum. He has to show dignity and respect.

^^^ You mean like the obama has shown... interfering in local police matters, calling out private citizens, lying like a rug, being cowardly, aiding our enemies and slapping down our allies, helping muslims every way he can, deliberately dividing the country--
You mean that kind of Decorum Gabby? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

None are so blind as are they that refuse to see...--Tyr

[Gunny]

I think Trump cares simply because this is where his bread and butter is, he makes his money here. I am sure he can and does make money in other countries but he wants America back on it's feet so he can continue to build his fortune, after the last 7 years we are no longer the strongest Country in fact I wonder if we are even considered one of the type 5, Trump has watched Obama destroy this country and it's reputation throughout the world, I believe yes it is for personal reasons that he wants to get us back on top, but hell who cares as long as we return to our once powerful reputation throughout the world.

This is all about Donal Trump to Donald Trump. He doesn't care about this country, nor the Constitution. All he cares about is winning at whatever cost. If he actually cared about this Nation, his 3rd party blackmail crap wouldn't be on the table at all.

And I'll say the same thing I did in 07 and 2011 ... If you're going to vote 3rd party, or not vote because "your boy" isn't on the final list, just go ahead and vote Dem and be done with it because that's about what THAT is worth.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is all about Donal Trump to Donald Trump. He doesn't care about this country, nor the Constitution. All he cares about is winning at whatever cost. If he actually cared about this Nation, his 3rd party blackmail crap wouldn't be on the table at all.

And I'll say the same thing I did in 07 and 2011 ... If you're going to vote 3rd party, or not vote because "your boy" isn't on the final list, just go ahead and vote Dem and be done with it because that's about what THAT is worth.
Actually, that question was put to get him to either say yes and abide by republican party leadership rules or say no and get painted black as is now the case. If he had said -yes- then they would have went full bore to destroy him and he knew it. Best was not to say yes and have a counter threat. I am 101% patriotic and I'd have done exactly what he did. Its the best strategy, and shows quick thinking and good judgment imho.
You have people totally sworn to destroy you and they ask you to swear allegiance to them and play by their rules!
And you think he should have said -yes! Would you have said -yes?
To meekly let your sworn enemies then set the campaigning rules etc, and keep on trying to destroy you?
Trump doesnt play their game and he spits in their lousy faces too!
I hope he wins and forces every lousy top Republican out of the party because they are ffing cowards, sorry aas traitors and self serving pieces of shit.
Think not- show me where they stood up to obama after getting elected by promising to do so.
They didn't, they gave the stinking bastard what he wanted. Now WE suffer for their cowardice.
I hate the slimy worms myself, and have only pure contempt for them.-Tyr

[Gunny]

Actually, that question was put to get him to either say yes and abide by republican party leadership rules or say no and get painted black as is now the case. If he had said -yes- then they would have went full bore to destroy him and he knew it. Best was not to say yes and have a counter threat. I am 101% patriotic and I'd have done exactly what he did. Its the best strategy, and shows quick thinking and good judgment imho.
You have people totally sworn to destroy you and they ask you to swear allegiance to them and play by their rules!
And you think he should have said -yes! Would you have said -yes?
To meekly let your sworn enemies then set the campaigning rules etc, and keep on trying to destroy you?
Trump doesnt play their game and he spits in their lousy faces too!
I hope he wins and forces every lousy top Republican out of the party because they are ffing cowards, sorry aas traitors and self serving pieces of shit.
Think not- show me where they stood up to obama after getting elected by promising to do so.
They didn't, they gave the stinking bastard what he wanted. Now WE suffer for their cowardice.
I hate the slimy worms myself, and have only pure contempt for them.-Tyr

I understood the question. However, as has been repeatedly pointed out, that question means little to me. The fact no one can tell him no or disagree with him without a hissy fit ensuing DOES. You can't have someone with a temper like his with his finger on the button. He doesn't listen to anyone. Neither does Obama. Look how well THAT's turned out.

[LongTermGuy]

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[Kathianne]

Not something for the Trumpsters to read, but for those still wrestling with making their choices:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/erick-erickson-the-republican-party-created-donald-trump/400847/


'The Republican Party Created Donald Trump'

RedState editor Erick Erickson, caught in the middle of Trump’s latest media feud, says he thinks GOP voters will eventually tire of the tycoon’s antics. MOLLY BALL (http://www.theatlantic.com/author/molly-ball/)



ATLANTA—Donald Trump was supposed to be the keynote speaker at the RedState Gathering here, a convocation of the hard-core conservative activists who read the influential blog edited by Erick Erickson. But when Trump said on CNN late Friday that debate moderator and Fox News host Megyn Kelly had “blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever,” Erickson, who is a Fox News contributor, announced he had disinvited Trump from the conference. “There are just real lines of decency a person running for President should not cross,” Erickson wrote (http://www.redstate.com/2015/08/07/i-have-disinvited-donald-trump-to-the-redstate-gathering/).


As the linchpin of a GOP counter-establishment of Tea Party-oriented media and PACs, Erickson may be the most powerful conservative in America (http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/is-the-most-powerful-conservative-in-america-losing-his-edge/383503/). A knowledgeable source confirmed to me last week’s report (http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/08/01/erick-erickson-the-talk-jock-behind-next-weekends-redstate-gathering/) that he will soon announce his departure from RedState—Erickson’s heart is in his work as a radio host, and he will continue to write commentaries on his personal website (http://www.erickontheradio.com/). Trump was one of 10 presidential candidates who had accepted the invitation to speak at this year’s RedState Gathering, including Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio,Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, and Carly Fiorina.


<section id="article-section-2" style="width: 630px; margin: 0px auto; max-width: 630px; padding-right: 330px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lyon Text', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 18px; line-height: 30.0000610351563px;">When Erickson announced Trump's disinvitation to the packed ballroom Saturday morning—playing the offending video for the crowd—there were scattered boos but mostly cheers. Trump responded with a statement (https://twitter.com/mollyesque/status/630019535089876992) claiming he’d said “her eyes and whatever,” and meant her nose; he called Erickson a “total loser” and noted Erickson’s own history of sexist and offensive comments. I interviewed Erickson about the controversy, the effect Trump is having on the GOP, and Erickson’s own standing to criticize anyone for outrageousness. This is a lightly edited transcript of our conversation.


Molly Ball: Why did you disinvite Trump?


Erick Erickson: I would have liked to have had Trump here. I mean, I don’t agree with some of the really bombastic things he’s said, but I know he resonates with a segment of the base, a lot of whom are here. But I just don’t want somebody onstage who would make a comment like he made about Megyn Kelly last night and then—the campaign didn’t even want to admit that he had made it.


Ball: You thought the implication, that he was referring to menstruation, was unmistakable?


Erickson: Oh, yeah. I did. And I don’t know anybody who didn’t think that, other than the Trump people. Now they’re saying he meant “bleeding out of her nose.” Okay, but it took you 12 hours to come up with that. I don’t want somebody onstage who would stay something like that, that doesn’t have the little voice in their head saying, “Maybe that’s not such a good idea.”
Ball:
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Erickson: Because when you take tough questions from a journalist and your very first reaction is, “She must be hormonal”—he’s said a lot of things that I don’t necessarily agree with, but when that’s your immediate first reaction about another human being—I said last night on Twitter it was a bridge too far, but it was really more like the straw that broke the camel’s back.


There’s been the accumulated weight of things. When you get to this point, it becomes more of a distraction. I’ve got nine other presidential candidates here, and now they all are going to get asked by people in the media what they think of Donald Trump. I’d rather not bring the distraction onstage.


Ball: Critics note that you also have a history of nasty and misogynistic comments (http://www.vox.com/2015/8/8/9120783/erick-erickson-donald-trump-sexism). Do you really have any standing to judge Trump?


Erickson: You know, I’ve said some pretty stupid shit in the past, and I’ve apologized for it. I didn’t deny that I ever said it, I didn’t claim that my Twitter account was hacked. I apologized, said I was wrong, and had to deal with it. Trump’s reaction is, “I said whatever, not wherever.” No, he didn’t. I listened to the tape twice. I played it for the audience; they got the full context of it.


I think had he come out and apologized for it, which I asked the campaign to do—they were very adamant they weren’t going to—I probably would have let him come and we could’ve dealt with it in the Q and A [session].


But he didn’t want to apologize for it, and he didn’t want to clarify other than “He said whatever, not wherever,” when he didn’t. That wasn’t a clarification. It was a lie.

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Not something for the Trumpsters to read, but for those still wrestling with making their choices:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/erick-erickson-the-republican-party-created-donald-trump/400847/

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Ball: Critics note that you also have a history of nasty and misogynistic comments. Do you really have any standing to judge Trump?


Erickson: You know, I’ve said some pretty stupid shit in the past, and I’ve apologized for it. I didn’t deny that I ever said it, I didn’t claim that my Twitter account was hacked. I apologized, said I was wrong, and had to deal with it. Trump’s reaction is, “I said whatever, not wherever.” No, he didn’t. I listened to the tape twice. I played it for the audience; they got the full context of it.

So this Erickson punk is himself what he now decries in Trump--but even worse cowardly apologized for being so , now he hates that Trump thumbed his nose at his critics.
I knew there had to be a reason the idiot just decided to give massive credibility to the false dem charge of Republican War on Women...
Thanks for finding and giving this info-- as it now clearly shows what a worm Erickson is.
And in my opinion how he hates that TRUMP, did not grovel and apologize as he did!
Nothing pisses off a coward more than seeing somebody shine a light on their cowardice by not backing down as they did..
I was instinctively right in saying that, "I'd like to slap the worm" .
This guy verified as legit the false charge made by dems against our candidates so he could further prove his change of heart on women and thus gain greater credibility with a larger audience--knew it had to be a self -serving reason he helped torpedo Trump. My radar seems to be working fairly well.
Thanks very much Kat. -Tyr

[Gunny]

So this Erickson punk is himself what he now decries in Trump--but even worse cowardly apologized for being so , now he hates that Trump thumbed his nose at his critics.
I knew there had to be a reason the idiot just decided to give massive credibility to the false dem charge of Republican War on Women...
Thanks for finding and giving this info-- as it now clearly shows what a worm Erickson is.
And in my opinion how he hates that TRUMP, did not grovel and apologize as he did!
Nothing pisses off a coward more than seeing somebody shine a light on their cowardice by not backing down as they did..
I was instinctively right in saying that, "I'd like to slap the worm" .
This guy verified as legit the false charge made by dems against our candidates so he could further prove his change of heart on women and thus gain greater credibility with a larger audience--knew it had to be a self -serving reason he helped torpedo Trump. My radar seems to be working fairly well.
Thanks very much Kat. -Tyr

Not sure I see where you are enamored with Trump. It can also be said, if you want to call names, that Trump is a titty-baby when he doesn't get his way. That's not standing up to critics. It's throwing a 3 years old's hissy fit.

You need to realign your radar. Trump won't be around in the end. He's a crybaby punk and he's already wearing out his welcome over a year out.

I can jump up and down every time someone pisses me off too. But I know better than to run for public office because I'd be a foreign policy nightmare.

[Kathianne]

Not sure I see where you are enamored with Trump. It can also be said, if you want to call names, that Trump is a titty-baby when he doesn't get his way. That's not standing up to critics. It's throwing a 3 years old's hissy fit.

You need to realign your radar. Trump won't be around in the end. He's a crybaby punk and he's already wearing out his welcome over a year out.

I can jump up and down every time someone pisses me off too. But I know better than to run for public office because I'd be a foreign policy nightmare.

I hope you're right

[Kathianne]

Not sure I see where you are enamored with Trump. It can also be said, if you want to call names, that Trump is a titty-baby when he doesn't get his way. That's not standing up to critics. It's throwing a 3 years old's hissy fit.

You need to realign your radar. Trump won't be around in the end. He's a crybaby punk and he's already wearing out his welcome over a year out.

I can jump up and down every time someone pisses me off too. But I know better than to run for public office because I'd be a foreign policy nightmare.

I hope you're right about him being gone, but doubt it. He and his core are too down the road of no backing off, no matter how whacky it gets.

[Gunny]

I hope you're right about him being gone, but doubt it. He and his core are too down the road of no backing off, no matter how whacky it gets.

I hope I'm right too. My fear is he's going to split the party like Perot did because some people seem to think there's something cool about him. Sure, I want a guy with 4 bankruptcies under his belt trying to balance the budget.

[Kathianne]

I hope I'm right too. My fear is he's going to split the party like Perot did because some people seem to think there's something cool about him. Sure, I want a guy with 4 bankruptcies under his belt trying to balance the budget.

He's in favor of cronyism and Kelo, what could go wrong?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Not sure I see where you are enamored with Trump. It can also be said, if you want to call names, that Trump is a titty-baby when he doesn't get his way. That's not standing up to critics. It's throwing a 3 years old's hissy fit.

You need to realign your radar. Trump won't be around in the end. He's a crybaby punk and he's already wearing out his welcome over a year out.

I can jump up and down every time someone pisses me off too. But I know better than to run for public office because I'd be a foreign policy nightmare.

As is you right to think my friend. However your comment did not address my post being more about Erickson and what he did. He just by action gave validity to the false charge the dems are making against our candidates by claiming WE(Republicans, etc. ) engage in a War on Women..
Thats a major issue being pushed by the dems and Erickson just acted in a way as if he were on their team!
His action will be very costly to whomever gets the nod because the dems see much more play in their false charge on the War on Women.
One must now ask just which side does Erickson truly bat for?
Its supposedly our side but his actions speak louder than hyped words and self-serving rhetoric IMHO.
Seems to me that the Trump haters miss all of this in their zeal to cheer Erickson's folly and aid given to the dems.
ERICKSON himself should be torpedoed.
Its like me shooting my horse because my dog barked at me!!!!---Tyr

[tailfins]

As is you right to think my friend. However your comment did not address my post being more about Erickson and what he did. He just by action gave validity to the false charge the dems are making against our candidates by claiming WE(Republicans, etc. ) engage in a War on Women..
Thats a major issue being pushed by the dems and Erickson just acted in a way as if he were on their team!
His action will be very costly to whomever gets the nod because the dems see much more play in their false charge on the War on Women.
One must now ask just which side does Erickson truly bat for?
Its supposedly our side but his actions speak louder than hyped words and self-serving rhetoric IMHO.
Seems to me that the Trump haters miss all of this in their zeal to cheer Erickson's folly and aid given to the dems.
ERICKSON himself should be torpedoed.
Its like me shooting my horse because my dog barked at me!!!!---Tyr

My reason for being here at DP was because I was banned from RedState for posting that Massachusetts was a well run state. How dare someone say that Democrats get it right five percent of the time?

[Drummond]

Enjoy your guy.:clap::clap:

:cool::cool::):):):D:beer::dance:

[Drummond]

Trump is a bully and definitely a misogynist.

I haven't met him personally, but have attended events where he was the keynote speaker and interacted with small groups after. Just because I might agree with some things he says does not mean I support him for President. He is not presidential material. He is a rabble rouser and it seems this is needed at this stage of the game to get people to pay attention to the dire state our country is in.

He will bring attention to the issues because of his bombastic style but he's too volatile to be President.




I very much hope that you and DragonStryk are wrong about Trump being a misogynist. Because he has so much else going for him.

Top of that list, for me, is that he's as anti-'PC' as he obviously is. You won't have Trump equivocating, as Obama is so fond of doing (.. and this leading to his weakness, not to mention the dragging-down of America because of it). Trump's a striver, a 'don't suffer fools gladly' type. He'd be a dynamic force in the White House, and who can say it doesn't need such a figure, leading according to DECENT political principles ?

Trump has a very strong sense of 'greatness', I believe, and he'll work to make America as great as it can be on the world stage. This can be no bad thing !!! Obama was and currently is the opposite, and this IS a bad thing. The recent, disgusting deal with Iran, testifies shamefully to that.

Imagine Trump as President, just after a new '9/11' atrocity. Can you honestly say that Trump's reaction wouldn't be the best that America, reeling from the shock of that atrocity, could ever want or hope for ? I don't believe for a millisecond that he'd flinch on reinstating the War on Terror, AND KEEP IT GOING.

[Drummond]

My reason for being here at DP was because I was banned from RedState for posting that Massachusetts was a well run state. How dare someone say that Democrats get it right five percent of the time?

.... h'mm. Five percent seems remarkably high ....:rolleyes:

[Max R.]

He's not popular with independents that vote.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/

The fact Trump is now denying (lying) about what he meant with his "blood coming out of her wherever" comment makes him even less trustworthy. It's as big a red flag as Bill Clinton's "I didn't inhale" lie.

from his Twitter: "you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever" (NOSE). Just got on w/thought

[jimnyc]

The fact Trump is now denying (lying) about what he meant with his "blood coming out of her wherever" comment makes him even less trustworthy. It's as big a red flag as Bill Clinton's "I didn't inhale" lie.

from his Twitter: "you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever" (NOSE). Just got on w/thought

I disagree that he was lying. I've heard the phrase most of my life. "Blood coming out eyes, ears, nose..." Even if you go to any major search engine, it will complete the often known phrase to you. It's simply a way that some folks point out that another is speaking venom, angrily. How they can think he somehow made it up, when I've heard this phrase my whole life, is beyond me.

Perhaps he saw her as angry, and directing her anger towards him, and he then used this often used phrase towards her? Maybe those trying to tell him what he meant simply never heard anyone use the phrase before?

He should has used the exact phrase instead of saying whatever. That's where the confusion and/or finger pointing comes from, and I get that. But I'm not ready to call him a liar about it, considering the man has been known for at least 30 years for saying what he wants and never backing down, as he's done thus far in this campaign.

Outside of his runaway mouth, I like his ideas and stances more than most others. I like the idea that he bows to or backs down to no one. I want someone to be arrogant and tough with foreign countries, to a point. I want someone as such to deal with crazy liberals, to a point. It's that "to a point" that is a concern to me. But "being nice" to folks is doesn't rank in the top 10 for me. But it is important, to a point...

And debates? I'd rather hear about REAL important things that matter to our country. YES, I agree that we need to know his full character. But I also think we need to know presidential matters first. If he scores a 95 out of 100 on what I want out of a president, but is arrogant towards some folks, that's just fine with me. But we may never know if he's blackballed and pushed away before we have a chance to hear from him.

For clarification if anyone thinks I'm a Trump supporter looking for an out. I've mostly been a Rubio supporter from day one, and he still remains on top for me. Admittedly Trump is second on my list, simply because the others just don't have what I would want from a president.

[Kathianne]

I disagree that he was lying. I've heard the phrase most of my life. "Blood coming out eyes, ears, nose..." Even if you go to any major search engine, it will complete the often known phrase to you. It's simply a way that some folks point out that another is speaking venom, angrily. How they can think he somehow made it up, when I've heard this phrase my whole life, is beyond me.

Perhaps he saw her as angry, and directing her anger towards him, and he then used this often used phrase towards her? Maybe those trying to tell him what he meant simply never heard anyone use the phrase before?

He should has used the exact phrase instead of saying whatever. That's where the confusion and/or finger pointing comes from, and I get that. But I'm not ready to call him a liar about it, considering the man has been known for at least 30 years for saying what he wants and never backing down, as he's done thus far in this campaign.

Outside of his runaway mouth, I like his ideas and stances more than most others. I like the idea that he bows to or backs down to no one. I want someone to be arrogant and tough with foreign countries, to a point. I want someone as such to deal with crazy liberals, to a point. It's that "to a point" that is a concern to me. But "being nice" to folks is doesn't rank in the top 10 for me. But it is important, to a point...

And debates? I'd rather hear about REAL important things that matter to our country. YES, I agree that we need to know his full character. But I also think we need to know presidential matters first. If he scores a 95 out of 100 on what I want out of a president, but is arrogant towards some folks, that's just fine with me. But we may never know if he's blackballed and pushed away before we have a chance to hear from him.

For clarification if anyone thinks I'm a Trump supporter looking for an out. I've mostly been a Rubio supporter from day one, and he still remains on top for me. Admittedly Trump is second on my list, simply because the others just don't have what I would want from a president.

What ideas? All I've heard are pronouncements and I've been listening. Bomb ISIS oil wells, make BP rebuild them pronto? Huh? That was the most specifics I've heard. With Mexico it's, "They will pay for the wall, after I built the best wall ever." How? "Just wait, I'll do it."

I've said plenty of times that Reagan wasn't my favorite president, though I've warmed up to him some over the years. ;) He knew when to stand firm, knew when to bend. Either way, he was pleasant.

[jimnyc]

What ideas? All I've heard are pronouncements and I've been listening. Bomb ISIS oil wells, make BP rebuild them pronto? Huh? That was the most specifics I've heard. With Mexico it's, "They will pay for the wall, after I built the best wall ever." How? "Just wait, I'll do it."

I've said plenty of times that Reagan wasn't my favorite president, though I've warmed up to him some over the years. ;) He knew when to stand firm, knew when to bend. Either way, he was pleasant.

His stances:

http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm

[Kathianne]

His stances:

http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm

Jim, that's a site that uses quotes to try and place the candidates.

I went to https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ there's still nothing on 'Trumps positions'. There is a section on 'news' though.


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[Noir]

I And debates? I'd rather hear about REAL important things that matter to our country.

Misogyny is a "REAL important thing".

[jimnyc]

Jim, that's a site that uses quotes to try and place the candidates.

I went to https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ there's still nothing on 'Trumps positions'. There is a section on 'news' though.

I don't and never uses candidates sites to know their stance on issues. I prefer their own words over the years, whether in person work, speeches and such. "ontheissues" is a site that has often been used to follow what candidate supports what. The site has long been around and is very well respected. I know a lot about the stances of other candidates running in the GOP field and have yet to visit a single candidates site.

[jimnyc]

Misogyny is a "REAL important thing".

Out of respect for your fingers, I'll point out that awhile back I told you I won't waste my time on your crap. I'll let you revisit the details and remember why. Adios.

[Noir]

Out of respect for your fingers, I'll point out that awhile back I told you I won't waste my time on your crap. I'll let you revisit the details and remember why. Adios.

Missed that - which thread?

Nevermind, found it.

[Kathianne]

I don't and never uses candidates sites to know their stance on issues. I prefer their own words over the years, whether in person work, speeches and such. "ontheissues" is a site that has often been used to follow what candidate supports what. The site has long been around and is very well respected. I know a lot about the stances of other candidates running in the GOP field and have yet to visit a single candidates site.
Fair enough.

[Max R.]

I disagree that he was lying. I've heard the phrase most of my life. "Blood coming out eyes, ears, nose..." ....
I've heard the phrase too, but do you really think that's what he meant? Is he really that frickin' stupid to forget "eyes, ears, nose" and substitute "blood coming out of her wherever"?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-cnn-megyn-kelly-comment/
"You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes," Trump told CNN's Don Lemon on Friday night. "Blood coming out of her wherever."

[NightTrain]

I've heard the phrase too, but do you really think that's what he meant? Is he really that frickin' stupid to forget "eyes, ears, nose" and substitute "blood coming out of her wherever"?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-cnn-megyn-kelly-comment/
"You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes," Trump told CNN's Don Lemon on Friday night. "Blood coming out of her wherever."

I think it's entirely possible. People sometimes stumble when they're under the gun being watched by millions of people, it's a lot of pressure.

[Noir]

I think it's entirely possible. People sometimes stumble when they're under the gun being watched by millions of people, it's a lot of pressure.

Yeah in the pressure of the interview some, er, whatever, came out of his mouth.

[NightTrain]

Yeah in the pressure of the interview some, er, whatever, came out of his mouth.

I will tell you from my own experience that it happens, and it's fucking brutal when it does.

I took a Dale Carnegie course years ago when I was a sales rep for a freight company in Anchorage. I'm not a shy person, and I don't stutter and stammer. But when it was my turn to get up in front of a bunch of strangers and deliver a speech, my mind malfunctioned and I probably looked like I'd just had a lobotomy. It was hellish and I got through it, but it certainly wasn't graceful or eloquent and I used words that I hadn't intended to.

One of the highest ranking universal fears of humans is being in the spotlight and being expected to express yourself succinctly with grace. Saying unfortunate things when you're in that position happens to people every day - not everyone was as gifted as Churchill.

I think it's amusing that everyone is now a mind reader who knows exactly what he meant.

[Max R.]

I think it's entirely possible. People sometimes stumble when they're under the gun being watched by millions of people, it's a lot of pressure.
Possible, but I would bet against it. Trump isn't PC. He goes for the throat when confronted. I have little doubt he intended to imply Kelly was menstruating which is why he thought she was acting like a "bitch".

[Noir]

I think it's amusing that everyone is now a mind reader who knows exactly what he meant.

It would appear he has become a victim of his own history. Shucks.

[tailfins]

Possible, but I would bet against it. Trump isn't PC. He goes for the throat when confronted. I have little doubt he intended to imply Kelly was menstruating which is why he thought she was acting like a "bitch".

My dog is like that, feeling "confronted" by large dogs. He was doing his "you want a piece of me?" routine on a neighbor's Labrador Retriever who just looked at my silly little Corgi and yawned.

[Gunny]

Jim, that's a site that uses quotes to try and place the candidates.

I went to https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ there's still nothing on 'Trumps positions'. There is a section on 'news' though.

No kidding. Does he have an actual stance on anything besides Megyn Kelly? Or is it still "I have a plan"? He's got about as much of a plan as Hillary.

[NightTrain]

Possible, but I would bet against it. Trump isn't PC. He goes for the throat when confronted. I have little doubt he intended to imply Kelly was menstruating which is why he thought she was acting like a "bitch".

I really don't think that's what he meant. I think he was going to go with 'Seeing Red' and at the last second went with 'Blood coming out of her eyes' and he mentally stumbled. Being angry certainly boosts saying something unintended.

Saying she's menstruating is way too far, even for Trump. But no one really knows except him, and he denied it.

[Max R.]

I really don't think that's what he meant. I think he was going to go with 'Seeing Red' and at the last second went with 'Blood coming out of her eyes' and he mentally stumbled. Being angry certainly boosts saying something unintended.

Saying she's menstruating is way too far, even for Trump. But no one really knows except him, and he denied it.
So Trump is PC after all? Sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I think Trump was being Trump.

[Max R.]

My dog is like that, feeling "confronted" by large dogs. He was doing his "you want a piece of me?" routine on a neighbor's Labrador Retriever who just looked at my silly little Corgi and yawned.
I doubt Trump, or anyone who has been so privileged for so long, takes criticism or confrontation very well. He's used to getting his way.

A few years ago when Michael Jackson died, many wondered why his friends didn't try to stop his excessive behavior. The answer was, essentially, "Anyone who confronted him was no longer his friend". They'd be O-U-T and looking from outside the locked front gate. Trump is the same way. Anyone who confronts him is an immediate enemy and, if they work for him, they're fired and if they don't work for him, they are attacked.

[NightTrain]

So Trump is PC after all? Sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I think Trump was being Trump.


I don't think it means he was being PC... there's a few subjects that polite society doesn't engage discussion in, especially on international TV.

[Kathianne]

I don't think it means he was being PC... there's a few subjects that polite society doesn't engage discussion in, especially on international TV.
But I thought he 'didn't care' what anyone thought, he just brings the truth to the 'man!'

[jimnyc]

But I thought he 'didn't care' what anyone thought, he just brings the truth to the 'man!'

Even those willing to break the PC barrier, such as Trump, have some limitations. Saying he is one that will speak his mind and never back down doesn't necessarily mean he will literally say or do anything.

[Kathianne]

Even those willing to break the PC barrier, such as Trump, have some limitations. Saying he is one that will speak his mind and never back down doesn't necessarily mean he will literally say or do anything.
So he was showing restraint by 'whatever' instead of the c word. Got it.

[jimnyc]

So he was showing restraint by 'whatever' instead of the c word. Got it.

And this is where you and I politely separate on political discussions then. I never cared for people placing words in my mouth or getting angry towards me, simply because they don't like a candidate or my words about them.

[namvet]

all this because of a bad mannered bitch at fox

[Max R.]

I don't think it means he was being PC... there's a few subjects that polite society doesn't engage discussion in, especially on international TV.
Trump's lack of a "filter", his impoliteness and rep for not being PC is precisely why he's in the public eye. Note his comments during the debate about Rosie O'Donnell. Now people are claiming he really is polite and PC? I disagree.

http://time.com/3988276/republican-debate-primetime-transcript-full-text/
KELLY: Mr. Trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don’t use a politician’s filter. However, that is not without its downsides, in particular, when it comes to women.
You’ve called women you don’t like “fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.”
(LAUGHTER)
Your Twitter account…
TRUMP: Only Rosie O’Donnell.
(LAUGHTER)
KELLY: No, it wasn’t.
(APPLAUSE)
Your Twitter account…
(APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: Thank you.
KELLY: For the record, it was well beyond Rosie O’Donnell.
TRUMP: Yes, I’m sure it was.
KELLY: Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who was likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?
TRUMP: I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct.
(APPLAUSE)
I’ve been challenged by so many people, and I don’t frankly have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn’t have time either. This country is in big trouble. We don’t win anymore. We lose to China. We lose to Mexico both in trade and at the border. We lose to everybody.
And frankly, what I say, and oftentimes it’s fun, it’s kidding. We have a good time. What I say is what I say. And honestly Megyn, if you don’t like it, I’m sorry. I’ve been very nice to you, although I could probably maybe not be, based on the way you have treated me. But I wouldn’t do that.

[Max R.]

all this because of a bad mannered bitch at fox
Trump would call her a c*nt. :cool:

[jimnyc]

Trump's lack of a "filter", his impoliteness and rep for not being PC is precisely why he's in the public eye. Note his comments during the debate about Rosie O'Donnell. Now people are claiming he really is polite and PC? I disagree.

Who stated he was polite and PC?

[Gunny]

Trump would call her a c*nt. :cool:

I think he took his vitriol far enough. SO did Obama likening Republicans to the Government of Iran if he doesn't get his way.

[Kathianne]

I think he took his vitriol far enough. SO did Obama likening Republicans to the Government of Iran if he doesn't get his way.
Obama has expanded that to 'anyone who disagrees with the deal' which now includes a number of Democrats. Maybe Obama is jealous of Trump being it all the time? Wow, can't imagine the two of them going at it. The arena couldn't hold anyone else, the egos are just too big.

[Gunny]

Obama has expanded that to 'anyone who disagrees with the deal' which now includes a number of Democrats. Maybe Obama is jealous of Trump being it all the time? Wow, can't imagine the two of them going at it. The arena couldn't hold anyone else, the egos are just too big.

Not sure. Obama's been having a meltdown since he lost Congress. Now he losing his own Congress persons who have majority Jewish constituencies.

And yeah, those two at it would be something worth watching. But who do you root for? To me it's like an Eagles-Redskins game. If the stadium opened up and swallowed both I feel like I got a win.:laugh:

[Abbey Marie]

In fairness to Trump, I've seen several seasons of The Apprentice, and he does talk in that vague, generalizing way many times. He may have only meant eyes and nose. He may have meant something more derogatory. We will never know for sure.

He's a man who simply hasn't had to be careful what he said for a long time, if ever. Which yes, makes him a potentially scary President to me. I'd rather focus on where he stands on the issues.

[Abbey Marie]

Obama has expanded that to 'anyone who disagrees with the deal' which now includes a number of Democrats. Maybe Obama is jealous of Trump being it all the time? Wow, can't imagine the two of them going at it. The arena couldn't hold anyone else, the egos are just too big.

If Obama feels less-than now, how much more will he ignore the laws and do as he pleases? It could get really ugly.

[Kathianne]

If Obama feels less-than now, how much more will he ignore the laws and do as he pleases? It could get really ugly.

Oh I really am not sure how well the country fares in the next year and half. Badly I'm afraid. Another term or two like this with Hillary? Actually she's doubling down with being Obama but more to the left.

We may get lucky and she gets charged criminally, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

[LongTermGuy]

"Stumping out the Latest allegations made against Donald Trump....Keep Stumping for The Trump"


~ "Only a matter of time before Trump gets your attention girls! He will love this!" ~
~ "Like I said before you ladies have something special here and you're about to be BIG TIME!!!! Keep up the good work." ~


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgSDR4beSAY

[NightTrain]

But I thought he 'didn't care' what anyone thought, he just brings the truth to the 'man!'


I don't think any reasonable person would accuse him of being an enraged Muppet.

Of course he has filters, what makes you think he doesn't have them?

[Kathianne]

I don't think any reasonable person would accuse him of being an enraged Muppet.

Of course he has filters, what makes you think he doesn't have them?

That is what the Trumpsters have been saying since the start. He's not using PC filters, he just says what needs to be said. If it offends? Good on him! People need to be told the 'truth.'

[Perianne]

Oh I really am not sure how well the country fares in the next year and half. Badly I'm afraid. Another term or two like this with Hillary? Actually she's doubling down with being Obama but more to the left.

We may get lucky and she gets charged criminally, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

I predict this administration will do nothing to charge her. The next administration, whoever it is, will refuse to bring a case when the previous administration didn't, or something like that. It's always that way. People should be glad I am not (1) God (2) President. Things would be a-changing if I were either.

[Gunny]

In fairness to Trump, I've seen several seasons of The Apprentice, and he does talk in that vague, generalizing way many times. He may have only meant eyes and nose. He may have meant something more derogatory. We will never know for sure.

He's a man who simply hasn't had to be careful what he said for a long time, if ever. Which yes, makes him a potentially scary President to me. I'd rather focus on where he stands on the issues.

But that isn't the game he's playing now. The Apprentice was a TV show. Semi-reality. He's in it for real now and that vague crap doesn't work.

[NightTrain]

That is what the Trumpsters have been saying since the start. He's not using PC filters, he just says what needs to be said. If it offends? Good on him! People need to be told the 'truth.'

Having and using filters does not mean one is PC.


Since you're suddenly in the business of putting words in my mouth, when did you decide that he's a rich version of TF and uses zero filtrage?

[Kathianne]

Having and using filters does not mean one is PC.


Since you're suddenly in the business of putting words in my mouth, when did you decide that he's a rich version of TF and uses zero filtrage?


I wasn't putting words in anyone's mouths. I was clarifying what I meant.

[Gunny]

Having and using filters does not mean one is PC.


Since you're suddenly in the business of putting words in my mouth, when did you decide that he's a rich version of TF and uses zero filtrage?

I decided that's EXACTLY what he's doing. He thinks he's above the rules.

[Abbey Marie]

But that isn't the game he's playing now. The Apprentice was a TV show. Semi-reality. He's in it for real now and that vague crap doesn't work.

True dat.

And I think it is too early in the campaign to get this polarized over Trump. As for me, I need to see more of him, and especially, a lot more of the others, to be firm in my choice. I don't get how everyone is so sure he is the man, or not the man, this early in the game. And having said that, I will back any one of these Republicans over any Dem candidate for President.

Let's hit the brakes for a bit.

[Kathianne]

True dat.

and I think it is too early in the campaign to get this polarized over Trump. As for me, I need to see more of him, and especially, a lot more of the others, to be firm in my choice. I don't get how everyone is so sure he is the man, or not the man, this early in the game. And having said that, I will back any one of these Republicans over any Dem candidate for President.

Let's hit the brakes for a bit.

I'm with you on learning more about the others. Trump? I've no questions.

[Gunny]

True dat.

and I think it is too early in the campaign to get this polarized over Trump. As for me, I need to see more of him, and especially, a lot more of the others, to be firm in my choice. I don't get how everyone is so sure he is the man, or not the man, this early in the game. And having said that, I will back any one of these Republicans over any Dem candidate for President.

Let's hit the brakes for a bit.

The point is, HE is doing the polarizing. He was just another dipstick candidate to me until he started using his money and his mouth to get his way. And as we all here know, I know a thing or two about having a temper. No way do I want him anywhere near having a finger on the button.

If you look at his track record over the years, he more resembles Obama and the CLintons than any conservative.

[Abbey Marie]

The point is, HE is doing the polarizing. He was just another dipstick candidate to me until he started using his money and his mouth to get his way. And as we all here know, I know a thing or two about having a temper. No way do I want him anywhere near having a finger on the button.

If you look at his track record over the years, he more resembles Obama and the CLintons than any conservative.

It is up to each one of us to allow him to polarize us, or not. I've managed to resist it. It's not that difficult, really.

And I know about his record. In fact, I mentioned his inconsistencies as a negative in an earlier post today. Kath has done a good job of posting those details.

[Kathianne]

It is up to each on of us to allow him to polarize us, or not. I've managed to resist it. It's not that difficult, really.

And I know about his record. In fact, I mentioned his inconsistencies as a negative in an earlier post today. Kath has done a good job of posting those details.

Yeah, I do have a tendency for details. Sometimes even I get sick of that! :laugh2:

[Max R.]

Yeah, I do have a tendency for details. Sometimes even I get sick of that! :laugh2:
Too bad more voters don't pay more attention to the details. We'd be far better off as a nation.

[namvet]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02102/baby_2102889c.jpg

raise the voting age to

[jimnyc]

It is up to each on of us to allow him to polarize us, or not. I've managed to resist it. It's not that difficult, really.

And I know about his record. In fact, I mentioned his inconsistencies as a negative in an earlier post today. Kath has done a good job of posting those details.

If some think his desire is to polarize, and they recognize this, and then they get angry over situations and allow the polarizing to take the forefront... then color me confused. Seems like many are giving up the time to speak positively about what they do like about certain candidates, and using that time to bash Trump or those that support him or anything at all he may have said. That's not Trump forcing anyone to go negative, but those folks choosing to go negative.

[tailfins]

Yeah, I do have a tendency for details. Sometimes even I get sick of that! :laugh2:

There's no shame in that game. It's generally those who don't know what they are doing that resist details.

[Gunny]

It is up to each on of us to allow him to polarize us, or not. I've managed to resist it. It's not that difficult, really.

And I know about his record. In fact, I mentioned his inconsistencies as a negative in an earlier post today. Kath has done a good job of posting those details.

Not that easy, Abs. As someone pointed out somewhere, we are probably light years ahead of Joe Average where politics are concerned. It's not ME he's polarizing. It's Joe Average brain-dead watching the tube and believing it.

I wrote him off from the start. As I previously pointed out, no Ross Perot Redeux for me. I didn't like Perot because he was a rich businessman that made his money off the middle class, and I don't like Trump for the same reason. Both are/were arrogant as Hell and thought themselves above their own behavior.

So, in the case of political polarization I excuse myself. Trump as a person is polarizing to me because I'd take maybe half of minute of his arrogant crap before I cut loose on him. But I thought that before he decided to turn from a pro-choice dem into a RINO.

[Abbey Marie]

If some think his desire is to polarize, and they recognize this, and then they get angry over situations and allow the polarizing to take the forefront... then color me confused. Seems like many are giving up the time to speak positively about what they do like about certain candidates, and using that time to bash Trump or those that support him or anything at all he may have said. That's not Trump forcing anyone to go negative, but those folks choosing to go negative.

When I said "allow him to polarize us...", I did not mean that he is doing it intentionally. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.

My posts have said I would vote for any of them. I think I've been quite reasonable and measured about Trump. As I've said, I am waiting to see more from him and everybody, and I think it is way too soon to draw conclusions.

You mention the absence of posts about the other candidates.
I would say to that:
1. It is quite natural, given the juicy stuff that went on in the debate just a few nights ago, and
2. It's the fault of both sides

[Max R.]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02102/baby_2102889c.jpg

raise the voting age to
....25. The average age a human mind matures.

[jimnyc]

When I said "allow him to polarize us...", I did not mean that he is doing it intentionally. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.

My posts have said I would vote for any of them. I think I've been quite reasonable and measured about Trump. As I've said, I am waiting to see more from him and everybody, and I think it is way too soon to draw conclusions.

You mention the absence of posts about the other candidates.
I would say to that:
1. It is quite natural, given the juicy stuff that went on in the debate just a few nights ago, and
2. It's the fault of both sides

I just don't understand the outright anger from some members towards other members, just because they may claim to be a Trump supporter, or tried to explain or have a different view on his comments thus far. Seems as if conclusions have been come to about Trump, and now conclusions being made about those who would support/vote for him. Odd indeed.

[Perianne]

I just don't understand the outright anger from some members towards other members, just because they may claim to be a Trump supporter, or tried to explain or have a different view on his comments thus far. Seems as if conclusions have been come to about Trump, and now conclusions being made about those who would support/vote for him. Odd indeed.

I agree. It's a weak argument in my opinion to declare one's self as smarter and more seeing than everyone else. I always hate the argument "if you only knew what I know you would see things the way I see them". People can have different opinions without being wrong.

[Gunny]

I just don't understand the outright anger from some members towards other members, just because they may claim to be a Trump supporter, or tried to explain or have a different view on his comments thus far. Seems as if conclusions have been come to about Trump, and now conclusions being made about those who would support/vote for him. Odd indeed.

How is expressing an opinion outrage? Aren't we all entitled to an opinion? I don't get some of the other people's opinions, but wouldn't I be remiss to not point out the fallacies of their arguments?

Trump is another Obama ... a rock star. A lot of talk, in substance. He's disrespectful of women which REALLY pisses me off, and anyone else that doesn't agree with him.

I have no problem questioning those who would support Obama Jr. King Donald. We can start with the substance of anything he has to say. Nothing. He has spent his time attacking other Republicans. Not Hillary. Not the Democrats. Which he is just another one of. He attacks Megyn Kelly.

I want to see a one on one debate between he and Carly. She'll light his ass up so bad it won't be funny. Well, except to me.:laugh:

And yeah, I'm going to go after Donald Trump fans the same way I've gone after the self-important non-voters the last two elections that gave us Obama.

[jimnyc]

How is expressing an opinion outrage? Aren't we all entitled to an opinion?

Because changing my words is not an opinion. Making conclusions about entire blocs of supporters simply because they may support Trump... Ok, I suppose it is an opinion, but it's a personal opinion towards the person they are discussing with, and avoiding discussion about the candidates.

And I never came remotely close to saying someone couldn't have an opinion, so save the dramatics for someone who gives a shit. Point is, SEVERAL folks over the past few weeks have made supporting posts/threads about Trump and got attacked for it. I've felt the crap coming in my direction because I dared explain away his comments from my perspective.

And I don't know what your comment was about with the "green blood", but quite frankly, don't care there either. I'm NOT going to be attacked for stating my opinion. I don't fear the green.

[Gunny]

Because changing my words is not an opinion. Making conclusions about entire blocs of supporters simply because they may support Trump... Ok, I suppose it is an opinion, but it's a personal opinion towards the person they are discussing with, and avoiding discussion about the candidates.

And I never came remotely close to saying someone couldn't have an opinion, so save the dramatics for someone who gives a shit. Point is, SEVERAL folks over the past few weeks have made supporting posts/threads about Trump and got attacked for it. I've felt the crap coming in my direction because I dared explain away his comments from my perspective.

And I don't know what your comment was about with the "green blood", but quite frankly, don't care there either. I'm NOT going to be attacked for stating my opinion. I don't fear the green.

I have no problem making conclusions about entire blocs of supporters. we do it on a daily basis. Why does it suddenly hit home? You might want to look at the posts again. I, and several others have attacked TRUMP, not the poster. Yeah, I'll question them. Isn't that what we do here? When I see people defying logic and common sense and actual history, I got questions. Trump's another King Obama and so-called conservatives are supporting hmi because they like his big mouth; which, has said NOTHING substantive.

When people can't do anything more than react to emotional bull, they need to turn in their voter registration card. They don't deserve it.

My point goes all the way back to the beginning. Conservatives are split because RINOs aren't conservative. And I watched this shit unfold in 92. Ross Perot cost Bush I a second term. He was a businessman with a big mouth. Ran 3rd party on his big mouth, then dropped out at the last minute. Damage was done. I got 8 years of Clinton as my CinC as a result.

When did we, the party of the people, stop understanding the consequences of our actions?

[LongTermGuy]

:salute: Trump 2016!....


Let the voters decide:dance:

[Gunny]

:salute: Trump 2016!....


Let the voters decide:dance:




His loser ass isn't going to make it to 2016.

[Drummond]

His loser ass isn't going to make it to 2016.

Well, if he was so much in the wrong over the Megyn Kelly business, how come his popularity is holding up ?

I think all this is ultimately very simple. People are bone-weary about Obama's politically 'correct', narcissistic manner, his 'sellout' agenda that chooses an easy solution to difficult problems. They want a plain speaker, they want someone with backbone, who'll bring that to the job of being President. Trump shows those qualities in abundance, and he's seen as a welcome breath of fresh air.

I can't say that his popularity will definitely last, with any certainty. But I'm not going to imagine it'll fade, when there's no evidence that it will.

[Russ]

Even though the media is suddenly covering this RedState event like it is some kind of big deal for Trump to miss out on, I have to say that I've never heard of it before. How come it's suddenly being treated like its been important for years.

And now I just saw this: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/09/senior-ben-carson-adviser-on-red-state-snub-this-smear-and-outright-lie-will-not-stand/

Apparently, this Erick Erickson decided to also snub Ben Carson. Sooooo.... now we have this "big" Republican event that won't allow the #1 and #3 polling Republican candidates to attend. Gee, I might have watched RedState, but there's a Salad Shooter infomercial on at the same time - I think I might have to watch that instead.

[Kathianne]

Even though the media is suddenly covering this RedState event like it is some kind of big deal for Trump to miss out on, I have to say that I've never heard of it before. How come it's suddenly being treated like its been important for years.

And now I just saw this: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/09/senior-ben-carson-adviser-on-red-state-snub-this-smear-and-outright-lie-will-not-stand/

Apparently, this Erick Erickson decided to also snub Ben Carson. Sooooo.... now we have this "big" Republican event that won't allow the #1 and #3 polling Republican candidates to attend. Gee, I might have watched RedState, but there's a Salad Shooter infomercial on at the same time - I think I might have to watch that instead.

I've notice the forum for a couple cycles. I think Erickson was wrong for not inviting Carson, though he wasn't #3 when the invites went out.

Upon some reflection I think he was likely wrong to have disinvited Trump, it just gives new fodder for the anger. It would have been better to have had him there and created a bit more discussion on the war on women thang.

[gabosaurus]

:salute: Trump 2016!....


Let the voters decide:dance:




If Trump ran in the general election, he would be lucky to draw as many voters as John Anderson did in 1980.
If Trump runs as the GOP candidate, the under ballot backlash would give Dems control of the House and Senate. Since a lot of uninformed and otherwise disinterested voters would go to the polls just to vote against Trump. Many would likely vote straight ticket and leave.
If you think otherwise, you know zero about how electoral politics works.

[Max R.]

If Trump ran in the general election, he would be lucky to draw as many voters as John Anderson did in 1980.
If Trump runs as the GOP candidate, the under ballot backlash would give Dems control of the House and Senate. Since a lot of uninformed and otherwise disinterested voters would go to the polls just to vote against Trump. Many would likely vote straight ticket and leave.
If you think otherwise, you know zero about how electoral politics works.
Agreed. That's a worst case scenario where Trump ends up splitting the conservative vote. I wouldn't vote for him since I sincerely believe he'd be bad for the country. I'd end up voting for the Libertarian or other third party candidate which would likely end up giving the vote to the DNC nominee.

OTOH, I doubt Trump will continue all the way to the July RNC convention. He wants to control the RNC, but he doesn't want to be tied down to elected office where, by oath, he would be held accountable for his actions.

[Kathianne]

Agreed. That's a worst case scenario where Trump ends up splitting the conservative vote. I wouldn't vote for him since I sincerely believe he'd be bad for the country. I'd end up voting for the Libertarian or other third party candidate which would likely end up giving the vote to the DNC nominee.

OTOH, I doubt Trump will continue all the way to the July RNC convention. He wants to control the RNC, but he doesn't want to be tied down to elected office where, by oath, he would be held accountable for his actions.

I'm hoping that he does state he'll promise to stay with Republican no matter what, for this cycle (no discussionary pun intended), at least. That seemed to be his reaction to RNC's reminder about their control of debates, who controls who attends, and voter information.

By stating that, he'd be forced to deal with the repercussions if he reneged down the road. One of the basis of those supporting him is that he's 'honest'.

[Gunny]

Well, if he was so much in the wrong over the Megyn Kelly business, how come his popularity is holding up ?

I think all this is ultimately very simple. People are bone-weary about Obama's politically 'correct', narcissistic manner, his 'sellout' agenda that chooses an easy solution to difficult problems. They want a plain speaker, they want someone with backbone, who'll bring that to the job of being President. Trump shows those qualities in abundance, and he's seen as a welcome breath of fresh air.

I can't say that his popularity will definitely last, with any certainty. But I'm not going to imagine it'll fade, when there's no evidence that it will.

He can afford to buy it.

[Drummond]

Misogyny is a "REAL important thing".

... says a Leftie, wanting to take advantage of anti-Trump sentiment.

What is it about Trump, Noir, that bothers you ? Give as complete an answer as you can in responding, because I think a snapshot of how the British (i.e foreign, from a US perspective) Left views what's happening in America could be instructive.

[Abbey Marie]

... says a Leftie, wanting to take advantage of anti-Trump sentiment.

What is it about Trump, Noir, that bothers you ? Give as complete an answer as you can in responding, because I think a snapshot of how the British (i.e foreign, from a US perspective) Left views what's happening in America could be instructive.

Misogyny can be. The Muslims have certainly raised it to an art form.

[SassyLady]

Does anyone here have a problem with Trump telling us that he buys political influence so that the politicians will jump when he tells them to? He's as much a part of the political corruption as the politicians he's buying.

And, this is just one of my issues with him.

Jim, you mentioned that no one is talking about the other candidates .... check out my comments regarding Carly.

[Gunny]

I'm hoping that he does state he'll promise to stay with Republican no matter what, for this cycle (no discussionary pun intended), at least. That seemed to be his reaction to RNC's reminder about their control of debates, who controls who attends, and voter information.

By stating that, he'd be forced to deal with the repercussions if he reneged down the road. One of the basis of those supporting him is that he's 'honest'.

But look at the other side of that -- the RNC controls. And what have they actually accomplished since their so-called "Contract with America" in the 90s? We have control of both houses of Congress, and the leaders of both couldn't develop a spine between them. The toughest guy on the block right now is a Dem from New York. Ought to be a clue in THAT.

[Kathianne]

Does anyone here have a problem with Trump telling us that he buys political influence so that the politicians will jump when he tells them to? He's as much a part of the political corruption as the politicians he's buying.

And, this is just one of my issues with him.

Jim, you mentioned that no one is talking about the other candidates .... check out my comments regarding Carly.

I mentioned, along with Perrianne. I've started a few too.

[gabosaurus]

Trump is in the lead right now because most Republicans still view him as a curiosity. He is a loud-mouth billionaire who says the things than many agree with but usually keep to themselves.

My opinion is that Trump considers the current campaign as a fun joke. For most candidates, losing a presidential bid does serious harm to their careers. Trump doesn't have a political career. He will merely go back to being a billionaire business owner. Except he will have a better idea who his enemies are.

I like identifying the serious Trump supporters. It gives me a better idea of who is delusional.