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Perianne
09-09-2015, 02:50 PM
Does the Bible teach clearly who will go to Hell? Are certain behaviors predictors of spending eternity in Hell?

darin
09-09-2015, 03:07 PM
Does the Bible teach clearly who will go to Hell? Are certain behaviors predictors of spending eternity in Hell?

First part: NO.

Second part: NO 'behaviours' would lead to hell - the attitudes of our hearts lead to hell.

LongTermGuy
09-10-2015, 04:39 PM
First part: NO.

Second part: NO 'behaviours' would lead to hell - the attitudes of our hearts lead to hell.

​So well said!

DLT
09-10-2015, 06:01 PM
First part: NO.

Second part: NO 'behaviours' would lead to hell - the attitudes of our hearts lead to hell.

The "attitudes of our hearts" lead to Hell if we refuse to repent our sins and stop endulging in sinful behaviors. It's not enough to merely repent. You have to stop sinning, too.

fj1200
09-10-2015, 11:00 PM
You have to stop sinning, too.

Impossible.

tailfins
09-11-2015, 12:13 AM
Does the Bible teach clearly who will go to Hell? Are certain behaviors predictors of spending eternity in Hell?

Everybody deserves to go to hell. But Jesus Christ guarantees those who accept him as savior will NOT go to hell. It's only Jesus, not Jesus plus something else. YOU CANNOT EARN YOUR WAY TO HEAVEN.


Romans 3:23King James Version (KJV)23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


Romans 3:10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition




1 John 1:9King James Version (KJV)9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



John 14:6King James Version (KJV)6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV)8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

SassyLady
09-11-2015, 02:47 AM
I don't know about hell, but this is my idea of heaven and I'm working hard to get there!

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10931260_10152933816051920_3182034392504147369_n.j pg?oh=947d18ce35d3486ffcdf4b3f18c4dce7&oe=56758D4C

tailfins
09-11-2015, 08:36 AM
Below is a link to a short gospel leaflet that explains it better than I do. The last page (image below) is the most important page.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0001/0001_01.asp

http://media.chick.com/tractimages67491/Page23/enGeneral.gif

Jeff
09-11-2015, 08:50 AM
Impossible.

So very true, the Bible tells us there are none without sin.


I don't know about hell, but this is my idea of heaven and I'm working hard to get there!

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10931260_10152933816051920_3182034392504147369_n.j pg?oh=947d18ce35d3486ffcdf4b3f18c4dce7&oe=56758D4C

Yes laying there with her is my idea of Heaven as well. :laugh::laugh:

Voted4Reagan
09-11-2015, 09:01 AM
The only people who are in HELL are those who put their own beliefs above everyone else.

Those who think that they practice the only faith that promises eternal salvation are the ones in hell. A hell defined by narrow mindedness and zealotry.

Everyone has a fundamental right to believe in anything they want. If you are Christian (Yes...Christian includes Catholics) Jew, Muslim, Pagan, Buddhist, or any other faith you have a right to your beliefs. Anyone that puts theirs above your is the messenger of hate and evil.

we are all equal in the eyes of whatever deity we believe in. and one thing is for certain...

we wont find out if Heaven/Hell exist until we leave this earth...

So to those that proclaim they know the true plan of God and are assured there is a Heaven and a Hell, I have one thing to say.... Show me proof or SHUT YOUR FLIPPING MOUTH!

Voted4Reagan
09-11-2015, 09:09 AM
A simple way to refute Zealots...

God is infallible...

Man is not

Man supposedly wrote the word of God down as The Bible,The Torah and The Koran.

Hence there are flaws in all of the monotheistic texts.

Man can not understand the true nature or word of God... The very premise of his being is that he is without flaw.

Man is flawed... Man can not write the true word of God without mistake. If we could we would all be God. The Bible as written by Man is Flawed...

Show me a copy written by and signed by God himself and I will take that as the true word...

Let me know when you find a copy

darin
09-11-2015, 09:45 AM
So to those that proclaim they know the true plan of God and are assured there is a Heaven and a Hell, I have one thing to say.... Show me proof or SHUT YOUR FLIPPING MOUTH!

What if believers said "Show ME proof God/Heaven/hell doesn't exist or SHUT YOUR FLIPPING MOUTH!?" they'd be rightly scorned.

Nobody has to agree on shit; everybody has the choice how they respond to others.

Voted4Reagan
09-11-2015, 11:20 AM
What if believers said "Show ME proof God/Heaven/hell doesn't exist or SHUT YOUR FLIPPING MOUTH!?" they'd be rightly scorned.



A fair question D..... But that would be trying to prove a Negative.

Boils down to one simple thing... Let people believe what they want to believe.

Let them worship who or what they choose to be important TO THEM.

Do not ridicule a persons beliefs because you feel that YOURS are the one true way.

If you want to worship The Pagan Gods and Goddesses of old... go ahead

If you want to be a Christian... Follow your path.

If you believe that through Allah and his Prophet (may peace be upon him) you will find that which you need... find it

If you believe that the Torah holds your answers... Look to it.

But do NOT discard someones beliefs because you yourself dont believe in them or you are told by some intolerant zealot that to follow alternate paths is the Devils Work. That is just horse crap. Believe what you want to believe and shut your mouth where others beliefs are concerned.

We all define our own faith... it is not up to us to define others for them.

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/coexist-third-try-e1366398288484.jpg

tailfins
09-11-2015, 11:37 AM
What if believers said "Show ME proof God/Heaven/hell doesn't exist or SHUT YOUR FLIPPING MOUTH!?" they'd be rightly scorned.

Nobody has to agree on $%^^; everybody has the choice how they respond to others.

That's a VERY difficult thing. There are times where you can say just what you think; there are other times where you just tickle people's ears and tell them what they want to hear. The skill is knowing which is which. NO competent person ALWAYS just says what they think. One lesson I'm learning recently is that zero competence is unacceptable even on a message board. Doing a direct thought-dump doesn't yield good results.

darin
09-11-2015, 12:43 PM
A fair question D..... But that would be trying to prove a Negative.

Boils down to one simple thing... Let people believe what they want to believe.

Let them worship who or what they choose to be important TO THEM.

Do not ridicule a persons beliefs because you feel that YOURS are the one true way.

If you want to worship The Pagan Gods and Goddesses of old... go ahead

If you want to be a Christian... Follow your path.

If you believe that through Allah and his Prophet (may peace be upon him) you will find that which you need... find it

If you believe that the Torah holds your answers... Look to it.

But do NOT discard someones beliefs because you yourself dont believe in them or you are told by some intolerant zealot that to follow alternate paths is the Devils Work. That is just horse crap. Believe what you want to believe and shut your mouth where others beliefs are concerned.

We all define our own faith... it is not up to us to define others for them.

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/coexist-third-try-e1366398288484.jpg

...then stop telling those who don't share your faith to STFU.

Abbey
09-11-2015, 12:44 PM
A fair question D..... But that would be trying to prove a Negative.

Boils down to one simple thing... Let people believe what they want to believe.

Let them worship who or what they choose to be important TO THEM.

Do not ridicule a persons beliefs because you feel that YOURS are the one true way.

If you want to worship The Pagan Gods and Goddesses of old... go ahead

If you want to be a Christian... Follow your path.

If you believe that through Allah and his Prophet (may peace be upon him) you will find that which you need... find it

If you believe that the Torah holds your answers... Look to it.

But do NOT discard someones beliefs because you yourself dont believe in them or you are told by some intolerant zealot that to follow alternate paths is the Devils Work. That is just horse crap. Believe what you want to believe and shut your mouth where others beliefs are concerned.

We all define our own faith... it is not up to us to define others for them.

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/coexist-third-try-e1366398288484.jpg

Ahh, the coexist stuff always sounds good on the surface, but what if:

1. It is the basis of your "religion" that your ancient texts are the inspired word of God, and no human error can exist in the writings because of that.
And:
2. The very core of that religion is that there is only one way to God?

My answer is, if those are the core beliefs of that religion, one would have to believe other religions are falling short, or there would be no point in your particular faith in the first place. You simply cannot have it both ways with Christianity.

Now, if your argument were simply that it is Christian to be polite and gracious about it, I'm with you.

Russ
09-11-2015, 12:52 PM
Everybody deserves to go to hell. But Jesus Christ guarantees those who accept him as savior will NOT go to hell. It's only Jesus, not Jesus plus something else. YOU CANNOT EARN YOUR WAY TO HEAVEN.

Very well stated. The whole post, not just what is quoted here.

Russ
09-11-2015, 01:01 PM
I would also point out that if there were absolute proof of any particular faith, then there wouldn't be any "faith" involved at all on our part, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for absolute proof of anything to be handed to us.

WiccanLiberal
09-11-2015, 04:15 PM
I recall having the opportunity to see Monsignor Tom Hartman speak at a seminar on transplant issues. He was the speaker on ethical end of life care. I was impressed with him as a speaker and even more impressed when he gave answers to readers' questions in the column he comanaged with Rabbi Gelman for many years. I recall one answer that applied to some of the thoughts here. He had gotten a letter from a man who had a friend he had been raised with and who was the source of some concern. He loved him like a brother but, because he belonged to a church that taught that only members of that sect were going to heaven, he was worried his friend was doomed since he was of a different faith. I recall vividly that Msgr Hartman described life as a mountain, with heaven or god or nirvana etc at the top. All of us are climbing that mountain. We all see different views and take different paths. Some are traveled with many others along routes taken many times. Others strike out on their own but all want to arrive at the same place. He said that he could not imagine a loving god watching their children struggling up the mountain and reject a huge number of them because they took the "wrong" way. I thought the answer was well phrased, compassionate and expressed a profound emotional truth.

Voted4Reagan
09-11-2015, 04:46 PM
Ahh, the coexist stuff always sounds good on the surface, but what if:

1. It is the basis of your "religion" that your ancient texts are the inspired word of God, and no human error can exist in the writings because of that.
And:
2. The very core of that religion is that there is only one way to God?

My answer is, if those are the core beliefs of that religion, one would have to believe other religions are falling short, or there would be no point in your particular faith in the first place. You simply cannot have it both ways with Christianity.

Now, if your argument were simply that it is Christian to be polite and gracious about it, I'm with you.

I would not dismiss them... that is their path. But I do not accept them placing theirs above anyone elses. If you feel your faith is the ONE TRUE WAY to God... Fine... Dont try to tell me or anyone else that mine isn't. That is not their place. I decide my faith... nobody else.

When you dismiss Jews/Muslims/Buddhists/Pagans and other Christian/Catholic denominations because their theology is not your own... you are imposing your values on others.

That is NOT right. The days of fighting for conversions are long over. Stop the proselytizing and let others worship as they please.

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-13-2015, 09:45 PM
Below is a link to a short gospel leaflet that explains it better than I do. The last page (image below) is the most important page.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0001/0001_01.asp

http://media.chick.com/tractimages67491/Page23/enGeneral.gif

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.



Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.


The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

With so much scripture saying your sin is yours to deal with, why would you think you can put your responsibility o Jesus?

Do you deny those scriptures?

Regards
DL

aboutime
09-13-2015, 09:53 PM
http://icansayit.com/images/hellfreeze.jpg

And Hypocrites who hate find a safe place to stay....

Black Diamond
09-13-2015, 10:08 PM
http://icansayit.com/images/hellfreeze.jpg

And Hypocrites who hate find a safe place to stay....

Is that Hell, Michigan by chance?

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-14-2015, 12:34 PM
http://icansayit.com/images/hellfreeze.jpg

And Hypocrites who hate find a safe place to stay....

Do you mean like Christians who love to hate so much that they will abandon a preacher who tries to preach the truth?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embedded)


Regards
DL

Gunny
09-14-2015, 12:38 PM
I don't know about hell, but this is my idea of heaven and I'm working hard to get there!

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10931260_10152933816051920_3182034392504147369_n.j pg?oh=947d18ce35d3486ffcdf4b3f18c4dce7&oe=56758D4C

Take me with you PLEASE. I'll even beg if you can hook this one up.

Gunny
09-14-2015, 12:48 PM
I would also point out that if there were absolute proof of any particular faith, then there wouldn't be any "faith" involved at all on our part, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for absolute proof of anything to be handed to us.

There is no absolute proof. Always been my argument against junk science people. Scientific theory is THEORY. There's no evidence to support their argument.

fj1200
09-14-2015, 12:48 PM
Do you mean like Christians who love to hate so much that they will abandon a preacher who tries to preach the truth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embedded)

Cliff notes man; It's a fast world.

Gunny
09-14-2015, 12:55 PM
Do you mean like Christians who love to hate so much that they will abandon a preacher who tries to preach the truth?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embedded)


Regards
DL


I haven't really run into anyone that hates more than YOU. You spend so much time trying to disclaim God you must not have much time for anything else. The only people that are going to believe your squall aren't true believers to begin with.

I just always wonder what your personal malfunction is that you hate God so much you can't ever STFU about him? The irony that you talk about God more than any of us Christians is NOT unnoticed.

aboutime
09-14-2015, 01:27 PM
Do you mean like Christians who love to hate so much that they will abandon a preacher who tries to preach the truth?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embedded)


Regards
DL





Actually. Anyone who PRETENDS to be a preacher of hatred, claiming it is truth, is a hypocrite. Like Obama, Many Democrats, and
a member of DP who calls itself Gnostic!

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-14-2015, 02:09 PM
I haven't really run into anyone that hates more than YOU. You spend so much time trying to disclaim God you must not have much time for anything else. The only people that are going to believe your squall aren't true believers to begin with.

I just always wonder what your personal malfunction is that you hate God so much you can't ever STFU about him? The irony that you talk about God more than any of us Christians is NOT unnoticed.

Not too surprising as most Christians have no clue and have never read the bible.

That s why most here do not bother and only attack the messenger while ignoring the message.

Regards
DL

Jeff
09-14-2015, 02:31 PM
I would not dismiss them... that is their path. But I do not accept them placing theirs above anyone elses. If you feel your faith is the ONE TRUE WAY to God... Fine... Dont try to tell me or anyone else that mine isn't. That is not their place. I decide my faith... nobody else.

When you dismiss Jews/Muslims/Buddhists/Pagans and other Christian/Catholic denominations because their theology is not your own... you are imposing your values on others.

That is NOT right. The days of fighting for conversions are long over. Stop the proselytizing and let others worship as they please.

I hear ya, BUT ( yup you knew that was coming )

In some religions folks believe there is only one true way to go, they also believe they should try and save lost souls, I fail when it comes to the lost soul part because I do ( for the most part ) let others believe what they want, but as I read your replies and think of you as a decent person I feel compelled to try to show you the right path. No I am not trying to put you or your beliefs down I am trying to do what mine tells me to do.

I wear a Christian patch on my back, I mix with outlaw clubs from all over and never push my beliefs an any of them, I wear my cut so that if someone wishes to talk to me they know I am there. But ( again ) some believe they are to spread the word, I don't feel they are wrong nor are they putting anyone down.

Gunny
09-14-2015, 03:05 PM
Not too surprising as most Christians have no clue and have never read the bible.

That s why most here do not bother and only attack the messenger while ignoring the message.

Regards
DL

Deflect much? I could read the Bible before I went to school. You're barking up the wrong tree, junior.

When the messenger is the deceiver and full of hatred, you're damned fuckin A straight, skippy.

We can start from kindergarten ... what's your avatar depict and who are YOU? A serpent. Gee, think I read about THAT in Genesis. All of your shit is so full of hate, it must suck to be YOU. All you do is sit around and hate someone/something you can't comprehend? NOTHING comes out of a single post from you but hatred.

So why don't you take a reading and comprehension class (4th grade level would beat anything you got) and get back to us? Then yo can re-read the Bible in comprehensible English and just maybe figure out the God you present doesn't exist in The Book.

You like to play word games over ineffectual bullshit. And you're not even good at it. You're a little scum-sucking attention-whore trying to destroy others' beliefs because you can't feel nor believe a thing. All you believe is you sorry excuses "why not". "I can do anything I want to whoever I want and never have to answer for it".

Your dumbass shit doesn't change the end-game. You are STILL going to pay.

Now piss me off some more, loser. Got nothing to do until they bring the baby over.

tailfins
09-14-2015, 03:08 PM
I hear ya, BUT ( yup you knew that was coming )

In some religions folks believe there is only one true way to go, they also believe they should try and save lost souls, I fail when it comes to the lost soul part because I do ( for the most part ) let others believe what they want, but as I read your replies and think of you as a decent person I feel compelled to try to show you the right path. No I am not trying to put you or your beliefs down I am trying to do what mine tells me to do.

I wear a Christian patch on my back, I mix with outlaw clubs from all over and never push my beliefs an any of them, I wear my cut so that if someone wishes to talk to me they know I am there. But ( again ) some believe they are to spread the word, I don't feel they are wrong nor are they putting anyone down.

What I have learned from Fundamentalists is this: it's my job to communicate the gospel and nothing more. You don't "help" God to cause the hearer to receive it, except perhaps by acts of charity if welcome.

Gunny
09-14-2015, 03:19 PM
What I have learned from Fundamentalists is this: it's my job to communicate the gospel and nothing more. You don't "help" God to cause the hearer to receive it, except perhaps by acts of charity if welcome.

Okay. Let's go from an ideological standpoint. What does Jesus say about speaking to deaf ears? Matthew 10:14. "shake off the dust from your feet." A parable for "why waste your time?"

gabosaurus
09-14-2015, 03:56 PM
You can't bullshit your way into the Kingdom of Heaven. You can fool those on earth with your almighty overly pious act, but it won't get you past St. Peter. That only happen if you are right in thought and deed in the eyes of the Lord.


“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...

tailfins
09-14-2015, 03:57 PM
Okay. Let's go from an ideological standpoint. What does Jesus say about speaking to deaf ears? Matthew 10:14. "shake off the dust from your feet." A parable for "why waste your time?"

You are correct. The thing to do is move on to the next prospect.

tailfins
09-14-2015, 04:00 PM
You can't bullshit your way into the Kingdom of Heaven. You can fool those on earth with your almighty overly pious act, but it won't get you past St. Peter. That only happen if you are right in thought and deed in the eyes of the Lord.

That is also correct. It boils down to one idea: Obedience to God. However, right deeds result in right thoughts.

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-14-2015, 05:01 PM
Okay. Let's go from an ideological standpoint. What does Jesus say about speaking to deaf ears? Matthew 10:14. "shake off the dust from your feet." A parable for "why waste your time?"

Jesus also said he came for the lost and ill, not he well.

You have him ignoring the ill for the well.

Turn or burn.

Regards
DL

aboutime
09-14-2015, 08:07 PM
Not too surprising as most Christians have no clue and have never read the bible.

That s why most here do not bother and only attack the messenger while ignoring the message.

Regards
DL



You sound more, and more like Obama, every time you post your blame others, for your own, obvious stupidity.

If you were anywhere near being a messenger (of your own making), you'd still be a hypocrite.

Voted4Reagan
09-15-2015, 12:07 PM
You sound more, and more like Obama, every time you post your blame others, for your own, obvious stupidity.

If you were anywhere near being a messenger (of your own making), you'd still be a hypocrite.


Ignore him my friend.... There is a reason he has a ZERO reputation here.

Gunny
09-15-2015, 12:55 PM
Jesus also said he came for the lost and ill, not he well.

You have him ignoring the ill for the well.

Turn or burn.

Regards
DL

I don't have God doing anything. Got news for you, my arrogance doesn't go THAT far. I'm EXACTLY what God made me, and I AIN'T well. But I accept my fate. I've had one Hell of a run and I wouldn't trade it for a second to be a loser like you. I'd do it all over again.

And yeah, there's been misery along the way, Mr Bible Misquoter, but what does God say? I will toil all the days of my life. And I'd STILL do it again. Just the way I have. God's protected me every step of the way and took me home each and every time to the two most beautiful babies in the world. And gave me two beautiful little grandbabies. And I got a 3rd little step grand baby who is the bomb.

And what do you offer, serpent? Hate. You don't even know what you're talking about but you just spew that venom. Who are you trying to convert? Ain't no teens on this board I know of. And if I thought there was and you were influencing anyone with your bull, I'd make it my mission to run you back into the Hell you came from.

Abbey
09-16-2015, 04:15 PM
Jesus also said he came for the lost and ill, not he well.

You have him ignoring the ill for the well.

Turn or burn.

Regards
DL

If we were ignoring the ill, we wouldn't be replying to you. :eek:

aboutime
09-16-2015, 07:10 PM
If we were ignoring the ill, we wouldn't be replying to you. :eek:


Abbey. Reading Gnostics attempts to prove how dumb he really is...is reassuring for me; in that God constantly proves having a Great Sense of Humor is unquestionably proven with Gnostic-ism's here on DP.:laugh:

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 10:38 AM
If we were ignoring the ill, we wouldn't be replying to you. :eek:

Perhaps you should. Being ignored is better than being abused.

Just look at what is generally given to me anywhere in this place.

Regards
DL

jimnyc
09-17-2015, 10:45 AM
Perhaps you should. Being ignored is better than being abused.

Just look at what is generally given to me anywhere in this place.

Regards
DL

I have an honest question, so please don't take this as an insult.

Do you have a mental illness? :) (and before you think I'm trolling you, Mr. Troll, I have bipolar myself, so it's a genuine question based on a thread elsewhere).

Gunny
09-17-2015, 10:57 AM
Perhaps you should. Being ignored is better than being abused.

Just look at what is generally given to me anywhere in this place.

Regards
DL

Look at what you say. You come on a board full of middle aged christians and try to dog our beliefs. So don't try playing innocent. You do it on purpose. Not many of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday.

fj1200
09-17-2015, 11:37 AM
Perhaps you should. Being ignored is better than being abused.

Just look at what is generally given to me anywhere in this place.

Perhaps if you discussed "with" members instead of "at." :)

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 11:46 AM
Look at what you say. You come on a board full of middle aged christians and try to dog our beliefs. So don't try playing innocent. You do it on purpose. Not many of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday.

Certainly I do it on purpose.

Jesus came to heal the sick and so do I.

Regards
DL

fj1200
09-17-2015, 11:48 AM
^Jesus didn't complain.

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 11:48 AM
Perhaps if you discussed "with" members instead of "at." :)

The "at", is the only thing I can speak to as it represents the poster.

Regards
DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 11:49 AM
^Jesus didn't complain.

He did not have to deal with such ignorance and idol worshipers.

Regards
DL

fj1200
09-17-2015, 11:49 AM
The "at", is the only thing I can speak to as it represents the poster.

That's why you get what you get.

fj1200
09-17-2015, 11:50 AM
He did not have to deal with such ignorance and idol worshipers.

:cough: fallacy :cough: Nevertheless I'm pretty sure he did.

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 11:50 AM
That's why you get what you get.

Indeed, and vice versa.

Regards
DL

Voted4Reagan
09-17-2015, 12:12 PM
Indeed, and vice versa.

Regards
DL

So... do us a favor Gnoggie...

Explain to us what you hope to accomplish here with us and all your posts.

What is your end game? What is your objective?

Why should we listen to you?

Explain to us your purpose here... WITHOUT resorting to your usual scripted anti-religion cut and pastes, no twisted quotes from the Bible.

In your own words ... nobody elses. Dont ascribe anything to Jesus, or god...

YOUR WORDS ONLY

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 01:56 PM
So... do us a favor Gnoggie...

Explain to us what you hope to accomplish here with us and all your posts.

What is your end game? What is your objective?

Why should we listen to you?

Explain to us your purpose here... WITHOUT resorting to your usual scripted anti-religion cut and pastes, no twisted quotes from the Bible.

In your own words ... nobody elses. Dont ascribe anything to Jesus, or god...

YOUR WORDS ONLY

My objective is to show those who I think have poor morals just what good morals look like.

I like to do that through debate.

If morals and God's laws and moral standards are not the main purpose of religion, then tell me what is?

Regards
DL

gabosaurus
09-17-2015, 02:08 PM
It appears to me that GC is deliberately misinterpreting the Bible in the same way that many of you deliberately misinterpret the Quran.

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 02:18 PM
It appears to me that GC is deliberately misinterpreting the Bible in the same way that many of you deliberately misinterpret the Quran.

An accusation without an example or quote.

Where have I done that?

Regards
DL

aboutime
09-17-2015, 02:46 PM
My objective is to show those who I think have poor morals just what good morals look like.

I like to do that through debate.

If morals and God's laws and moral standards are not the main purpose of religion, then tell me what is?

Regards
DL


That's really funny Gnostic. That statement above from you is almost like Obama telling Americans he has never lied, doesn't hate Americans who dislike him, and claim not to be a racist. Other than that. FUNNY.

Voted4Reagan
09-17-2015, 03:33 PM
My objective is to show those who I think have poor morals just what good morals look like.

I like to do that through debate.

If morals and God's laws and moral standards are not the main purpose of religion, then tell me what is?

Regards
DL

No... see ... you cant even discuss YOUR position without resorting to discussing God. I told you you must be specific and not rely on generalities like GODS LAWS and MORAL STANDARDS.

You always HIDE behind the texts of the Bible and never speak in plain talk to discuss a position. You constantly attack peoples beliefs with a self imposed moral superiority and vanity. You speak of GODS WORD and MORAL STANDARDS... well who made YOU the interpreter for GOD?

Your posts are designed to incite and cause disharmony among people of Faith, but here is how we really see you Gnoggie...

You come off as pretentious, self important, self absorbed, narcissistic , you speak volumes and yet at the same time you say absolutely nothing. Your essays are cut and paste (most likely not your own) and when you do try and discuss things you speak in circles, ignore what people say and simply just stick to a script you probably learned in a college class on Atheism. You insult people and want them to heed your words and side with you.

You never debate, any time you have been offered a chance you have run away. You know you dont deal from a position of logic or real faith, or you would have no problem debating them. You know the weakness of your arguments but choose to use them to troll people.

So here is a hint.... Stop playing the games Gnoggie... Your Reputation stands at ZERO. That means that in all of your postings not one person has seen a grain of logic/reason/intelligent thought in any of them...

You'll say they just cant see the true meaning of your awesome interpretation of Gods word..

In reality... we all saw through you a long time ago, you are considered nothing but a Troll and a Flame Baiter by the Moderators and regular posters alike..

Zero reputation in all the time you have been here... it tells you all you need to know... your approach is a failure...

and you're looked on as a monumental joke.... speaking in pseudo-intellectual double talk.

and nothing is truly spoken... and nothing is ever heard.

Gunny
09-17-2015, 03:55 PM
No... see ... you cant even discuss YOUR position without resorting to discussing God. I told you you must be specific and not rely on generalities like GODS LAWS and MORAL STANDARDS.

You always HIDE behind the texts of the Bible and never speak in plain talk to discuss a position. You constantly attack peoples beliefs with a self imposed moral superiority and vanity. You speak of GODS WORD and MORAL STANDARDS... well who made YOU the interpreter for GOD?

Your posts are designed to incite and cause disharmony among people of Faith, but here is how we really see you Gnoggie...

You come off as pretentious, self important, self absorbed, narcissistic , you speak volumes and yet at the same time you say absolutely nothing. Your essays are cut and paste (most likely not your own) and when you do try and discuss things you speak in circles, ignore what people say and simply just stick to a script you probably learned in a college class on Atheism. You insult people and want them to heed your words and side with you.

You never debate, any time you have been offered a chance you have run away. You know you dont deal from a position of logic or real faith, or you would have no problem debating them. You know the weakness of your arguments but choose to use them to troll people.

So here is a hint.... Stop playing the games Gnoggie... Your Reputation stands at ZERO. That means that in all of your postings not one person has seen a grain of logic/reason/intelligent thought in any of them...

You'll say they just cant see the true meaning of your awesome interpretation of Gods word..

In reality... we all saw through you a long time ago, you are considered nothing but a Troll and a Flame Baiter by the Moderators and regular posters alike..

Zero reputation in all the time you have been here... it tells you all you need to know... your approach is a failure...

and you're looked on as a monumental joke.... speaking in pseudo-intellectual double talk.

and nothing is truly spoken... and nothing is ever heard.

That HAD to hurt. Somebody just got dressed down like a recruit on T-2. :laugh:

Abbey
09-17-2015, 05:39 PM
My objective is to show those who I think have poor morals just what good morals look like.

I like to do that through debate.

If morals and God's laws and moral standards are not the main purpose of religion, then tell me what is?

Regards
DL

Indeed. Your 100% subjective judgments are worthless. But at least you realize that much.

And yet, you still haven't answered the question. Why do you come here to show us our poor morals?

Gunny
09-17-2015, 06:03 PM
Certainly I do it on purpose.

Jesus came to heal the sick and so do I.

Regards
DL

No, you come to question others, and attempt to tempt. If WE are sick, what does that make YOU? We're not the one sitting around here preaching. And we sure as Hell aren't preaching hate.

You remind me EXACTLY of a story I've known since I can't remember. Satan lures Jesus into the desert and offers him all these things for 40 days and nights. And I think if Jesus had been a Marine and talked like one he said "fuck off".

The easiest and most obvious part of your problem is you don't understand strategy and tactics. You prey on the weak. YOU are the weakest person here. We don't always agree on everything hereabouts and I've been called every name in the book, but no one here is weak. You're a Jeep with 4:10 gear ratio trying to get out of a mud pit. You're just slinging mud and ain't moving an inch.

Gunny
09-17-2015, 06:04 PM
^Jesus didn't complain.

Yes he did. "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?"

aboutime
09-17-2015, 06:05 PM
Indeed. Your 100% subjective judgments are worthless. But at least you realize that much.

And yet, you still haven't answered the question. Why do you come here to show us our poor morals?



Abbey. This may be a good case where the expression Jesus famously said, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

Sounds to me like Gnostic is totally guilty of doing exactly THAT!
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/what-did-jesus-mean-when-he-said-not-to-judge-others-10-things-to-know-and

Abbey
09-17-2015, 06:13 PM
Abbey. This may be a good case where the expression Jesus famously said, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

Sounds to me like Gnostic is totally guilty of doing exactly THAT!
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/what-did-jesus-mean-when-he-said-not-to-judge-others-10-things-to-know-and


That is a very good article, AT. Thanks!

Right off the bat:



1) Not a cover for immoral behavior in general
It’s clear that Jesus did not intend his words to be used as a cover for immoral behavior.
He did not mean them to be used as a conversation stopper to shut down attempts to admonish people engaged in immoral behavior.
In fact, Jesus himself did rather a lot of admonishing regarding proper moral conduct.
That is, in fact, the subject of the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7), in which the saying occurs.

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 07:35 PM
That's really funny Gnostic. That statement above from you is almost like Obama telling Americans he has never lied, doesn't hate Americans who dislike him, and claim not to be a racist. Other than that. FUNNY.

And this garbage relates to my answer how?

Regards
DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop
09-17-2015, 07:37 PM
No... see ... you cant even discuss YOUR position without resorting to discussing God. I told you you must be specific and not rely on generalities like GODS LAWS and MORAL STANDARDS.

You always HIDE behind the texts of the Bible and never speak in plain talk to discuss a position. You constantly attack peoples beliefs with a self imposed moral superiority and vanity. You speak of GODS WORD and MORAL STANDARDS... well who made YOU the interpreter for GOD?

Your posts are designed to incite and cause disharmony among people of Faith, but here is how we really see you Gnoggie...

You come off as pretentious, self important, self absorbed, narcissistic , you speak volumes and yet at the same time you say absolutely nothing. Your essays are cut and paste (most likely not your own) and when you do try and discuss things you speak in circles, ignore what people say and simply just stick to a script you probably learned in a college class on Atheism. You insult people and want them to heed your words and side with you.

You never debate, any time you have been offered a chance you have run away. You know you dont deal from a position of logic or real faith, or you would have no problem debating them. You know the weakness of your arguments but choose to use them to troll people.

So here is a hint.... Stop playing the games Gnoggie... Your Reputation stands at ZERO. That means that in all of your postings not one person has seen a grain of logic/reason/intelligent thought in any of them...

You'll say they just cant see the true meaning of your awesome interpretation of Gods word..

In reality... we all saw through you a long time ago, you are considered nothing but a Troll and a Flame Baiter by the Moderators and regular posters alike..

Zero reputation in all the time you have been here... it tells you all you need to know... your approach is a failure...

and you're looked on as a monumental joke.... speaking in pseudo-intellectual double talk.

and nothing is truly spoken... and nothing is ever heard.

I expected a non-answer and got just that.

Regards
DL

Black Diamond
09-17-2015, 07:55 PM
Yes he did. "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?"

God the Father could not look at sin. And that's what his son had become.

Black Diamond
09-17-2015, 07:57 PM
^Jesus didn't complain.

I read Luke a few weeks ago. He seemed quite frustrated.

Gunny
09-17-2015, 08:07 PM
God the Father could not look at sin. And that's what his son had become.

I understand the scripture. Just waiting to see what dippity-do-da had to say. As usual, he avoids any direct confrontation that contains facts.

Gunny
09-17-2015, 08:11 PM
I read Luke a few weeks ago. He seemed quite frustrated.

But who is not? We have to choose every day to take the path of righteousness or sin. He was no different.

Black Diamond
09-17-2015, 08:36 PM
But who is not? We have to choose every day to take the path of righteousness or sin. He was no different.

I was jaur surprised how frustrated he seemed. Sometimes when you read for yourself you see things you don't learn in church

aboutime
09-17-2015, 09:12 PM
And this garbage relates to my answer how?

Regards
DL


Just plain, old fashioned, undeniable Hypocrisy coming from everything you bring here. You hide your hatred for everyone else, under the phony guise of being educated on a Book, called the Bible...YOU blaspheme to no end. Then demand everyone else is, and must be wrong...all because YOU SAY SO????

Russ
09-17-2015, 09:14 PM
My objective is to show those who I think have poor morals just what good morals look like.

I like to do that through debate.

If morals and God's laws and moral standards are not the main purpose of religion, then tell me what is?

Regards
DL

You don't come here to debate - you come here to try to mock.

And regardless, there are two types of people that can't be beaten in a debate: someone so wise that they can defend any argument, or someone that's such a fool that they don't know when they are wrong. Guess which one you are?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-17-2015, 10:09 PM
I don't know about hell, but this is my idea of heaven and I'm working hard to get there!

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10931260_10152933816051920_3182034392504147369_n.j pg?oh=947d18ce35d3486ffcdf4b3f18c4dce7&oe=56758D4C

Can you give me the link to that picture? My sister paints and wants to paint that.
Thinks its an awesome picture!

I quite similiar waters and beach scenes in the Boracay Resort in the Philippines. -Tyr

SassyLady
09-17-2015, 10:19 PM
Can you give me the link to that picture? My sister paints and wants to paint that.
Thinks its an awesome picture!

I quite similiar waters and beach scenes in the Boracay Resort in the Philippines. -Tyr

I think I just googled "hammocks" and looked at images until I found it.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSiwEaiAELEKjU2AQaBAgECAkMCxCwjKcIGl8KX QgDEifyFaIDqAOhA_1MVhRaaCxP0FYQWuSK4IpMq5ijdPq43lS qvN7wikSoaMAahdUnyQ8TxRV1bU3OEnZHYM8YosVSZ-ogve0zAnmJ3TKdvFmdo_1Pkx9pEs0VzjawwLEI6u_1ggaCgoIC AESBE13bu0M&sa=X&ved=0CBoQwg4oAGoVChMI0fC4ic7_xwIVBqqACh3lHQSj&biw=1093&bih=508


Here's another one that is cool ... looks like the heaven of hell.


http://boutiquemexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/3-Reasons-Why-You-Need-A-Handwoven-Hammock.jpg

Gunny
09-17-2015, 11:07 PM
I was jaur surprised how frustrated he seemed. Sometimes when you read for yourself you see things you don't learn in church

I completely agree. HOWEVER, look what happens when an idiot "reads for themself". They turn into trolls.

Reading for yourself means nothing if you can't add the "thinking" part. And we apparently have a classic case of knowing the words of the former while being incapable of the latter. Bet he voted for Obama too.:laugh:

Voted4Reagan
09-17-2015, 11:40 PM
I expected a non-answer and got just that.

Regards
DL

You just didnt like the truth bitch slapping you... i got reputation boosts from a few people.

once again... it reflects on your lack of ability to communicate in a manner that is non conftontational,

You come here looking for a fight and run away when people call you out.

Youre not a skilled debater... and a poor troll as well

tailfins
09-17-2015, 11:45 PM
And this garbage relates to my answer how?

Regards
DL

I don't want to indulge in your obsession, but if you want to discuss something else it will be your opportunity to take a break from the negativity.

fj1200
09-18-2015, 10:05 AM
Yes he did. "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?"

He didn't complain about healing the sick.


I read Luke a few weeks ago. He seemed quite frustrated.

With healing the sick or his disciples constantly not understanding?

tailfins
09-18-2015, 10:30 AM
You just didnt like the truth bitch slapping you... i got reputation boosts from a few people.

once again... it reflects on your lack of ability to communicate in a manner that is non conftontational,

You come here looking for a fight and run away when people call you out.

Youre not a skilled debater... and a poor troll as well

What if Gnostic Bishop was molested by clergy when he was younger? Obviously I don't want to waste time participating in his anger against Christianity. I also don't want to interfere with him "venting his spleen". I encourage him to discuss a different topic.

By the way, Gnostic Bishop: If the above is indeed the case, I'm sorry that happened to you.

Abbey
09-18-2015, 11:48 AM
He didn't complain about healing the sick.



With healing the sick or his disciples constantly not understanding?


Actually, it was frustration with people always asking Him questions designed just to trip him up.

And oddly enough, their regularly scratching this icon onto walls: :poke:

:eek:

fj1200
09-18-2015, 01:37 PM
Actually, it was frustration with people always asking Him questions designed just to trip him up.

And oddly enough, their regularly scratching this icon onto walls: :poke:

:eek:

No wonder I like that guy. :poke:

Gunny
09-18-2015, 04:03 PM
He didn't complain about healing the sick.



With healing the sick or his disciples constantly not understanding?

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. What I WILL say is this: I know Abbey's a hardcore Christian and I am. I don't know about anyone else. The only one that preaches on this board is Goobstick Failure Bishop. Anyone that wants to hear the Word of God, I'll find you a website. I could recommend a church if you live where I do. But this ain't the place. I'll NEVER turn anyone away and I got a PM box. However, I suggest anyone that does, keep it private unless you want some goober politicizing it.

The only one trying to force anything on anyone here is Gnostic. Paradoxical that we always get accused of crap when it's the haters trying to shove a message down the throats of others.

fj1200
09-21-2015, 11:07 AM
Your response has nothing to do with my comment.

I was going back to the original post I commented on. :)

Gunny
09-21-2015, 11:26 AM
I was going back to the original post I commented on. :)

Uh huh. I have the attention span of a moth. You going to drag it out for days, you better get some neon lights. I don't even remember what either of us was talking about in this thread.

Abbey
09-21-2015, 03:00 PM
Uh huh. I have the attention span of a moth. You going to drag it out for days, you better get some neon lights. I don't even remember what either of us was talking about in this thread.


Lol, babies will do that to you. And if you were already like that, they will make it worse.

gabosaurus
09-21-2015, 03:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm4grNE9QVg&feature=youtu.be

Gunny
09-21-2015, 04:09 PM
Lol, babies will do that to you. And if you were already like that, they will make it worse.

No kidding. Feel like I lost half my brain. :laugh:

Perianne
09-21-2015, 04:27 PM
No kidding. Feel like I lost half my brain. :laugh:

But they are worth it.

Gunny
09-21-2015, 04:28 PM
But they are worth it.

She's a cutie :)

Perianne
09-21-2015, 04:37 PM
She's a cutie :)

Yes, she is. I am so envious. I want a grandbaby.

Gunny
09-21-2015, 04:44 PM
Yes, she is. I am so envious. I want a grandbaby.

You can't have the one in the pic. That's my actual by blood grandbaby. Touch THAT little one and you're dead. Ain't going to be no discussion, nor anything else.

The one I babysit is my GF's daughter's child. She's a cutie. You can't watch a kid 8 hours a day and not get attached. Sperm donor idiot doesn't come around here if he knows grandma or I are awake. He's more afraid of her than he is me. Ain't THAT some shit.:laugh:

Abbey
09-21-2015, 04:46 PM
You can't have the one in the pic. That's my actual by blood grandbaby. Touch THAT little one and you're dead. Ain't going to be no discussion, nor anything else.

The one I babysit is my GF's daughter's child. She's a cutie. You can't watch a kid 8 hours a day and not get attached. Sperm donor idiot doesn't come around here if he knows grandma or I are awake. He's more afraid of her than he is me. Ain't THAT some shit.:laugh:

I must have missed the picture. Link a girl up? :cool:

Perianne
09-21-2015, 04:48 PM
I must have missed the picture. Link a girl up? :cool:

I saw it on another forum.