The Conundrum that is Trump

[Abbey Marie]

Today, I heard Donald Trump say the Iran deal is the single worst negotiation he's ever seen. Score one for Donald.
Then I heard he questioned who would ever vote for Carly Fiorina with "that face".
Uggh.
I just don't know what to think about him...

[Black Diamond]

He seems to grow in popularity with every insult.

[Kathianne]

He seems to grow in popularity with every insult.

Indeed, which speaks more towards those polled. BTW, has he figured out the Syrian refugee position yet?


Trump calls for taking in Syrian refugees (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-syrian-refugees-213430)Politico-19 hours ago
The United States should take in some refugees from Syria, ... of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to," Trump said in his first Fox News ...

Trump 'hates concept' of US taking in Syrian refugees but resigns ... (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/09/donald-trump-us-should-take-in-syrian-refugees)
The Guardian-14 hours ago

Trump: US should accept some Syrian refugees (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/donald-trump-kim-davis-syrian-refugees/)
CNN-Sep 8, 2015

Donald Trump says the US should accept refugees from Syria (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-says-the-us-should-accept-refugees-from-syria-10493347.html)
The Independent-14 hours ago

'You Have To': Trump Would Allow Syrian Refugees Into America (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/09/you-have-to-trump-would-allow-syrian-refugees-into-america/)
Breitbart News-15 hours ago

[Noir]

I heard he questioned who would ever vote for Carly Fiorina with that face.

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The fact that people seriously consider voting for this trash is tragic.

[darin]

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The fact that people seriously consider voting for this trash is tragic.

That's not tragic. Tragedy is what you've allowed the UK to become. Tragedy is the EU and almost everything it stands for. Tragedy is the people of Europe being okay with fasist/socialist principles.

[DragonStryk72]

That's not tragic. Tragedy is what you've allowed the UK to become. Tragedy is the EU and almost everything it stands for. Tragedy is the people of Europe being okay with fasist/socialist principles.

Sorry, but he's right Trump was definitively left-leaning until this year, when he suddenly starts spouting whatever insults he figures will win him republican votes. That he's even being considered a possibile candidate is evidence of just how desperate the Republicans are getting.

[revelarts]

Indeed, which speaks more towards those polled. BTW, has he figured out the Syrian refugee position yet?


!sarcasm alert!
Kathianne you obviously are being completely unfair and assuming the worse of Trump. He really only MEANT the things that we LIKE of course. If you were a REAL conservative you'd know that. Have you gone liberal?!
And plus he has a right to change his mind willy nilly. He just wants to do what he think is best. The point is we know his motives are pure and uh ... constitutional of course.... That's called leadership! he's NOTHING like any other politician every. we should trust him and only believe the best.
Anyway I'm sure he's going to do better than any stinking liberals or the those other weak republicans. and Plus he's going to build a wall to keep out the scary Mexicans which is the most important thing in the world for the U.S. ever ever!!!
I'm disappointed that you don't get that, i know you... in the past... had some good judgment, sad to see you're slipping.

[Jeff]

Sorry, but he's right Trump was definitively left-leaning until this year, when he suddenly starts spouting whatever insults he figures will win him republican votes. That he's even being considered a possibile candidate is evidence of just how desperate the Republicans are getting.

I agree, but it isn't just republicans that are getting desperate, as the country swirls around in the bowl, ready to be flushed I think most are getting desperate. Trump is spitting out insults and the American people are willing to listen and laugh with him, because he is blaming everyone for the state of our Country, he is running at a great time to just sling sheot and blame all for all that is wrong.

[LongTermGuy]

Today, I heard Donald Trump say the Iran deal is the single worst negotiation he's ever seen. Score one for Donald.
Then I heard he questioned who would ever vote for Carly Fiorina with that face.
Uggh.
I just don't know what to think about him...

Let me help you out here...Read carefully....


Trump 2016.... has always said...."You attack me...I hit back" Welcome to the big leagues !


>>>> Carson and Fiorina should `Pay` Donald Trump for him "answering" `their` attacks on him and `boosting "their" ratings`....*How many times have the Liberals said If you cant handle attacks or respond...... one doesn't belong in the Presidential race...Its a one way street with deceitful Liberals and.... "fools"...

BTW...Fiorina has made fun of a left leaning ladies hair.....one can find it if they do a search...No big deal...>>>Right now the left and the Trump haters are Desperate...and looking for anything...ANYTHING...




Donald Trump 2016! >>> Cure for Rhino / Liberal Ignorance...deceit...Lies and stupidity...

[Olivia]

Today, I heard Donald Trump say the Iran deal is the single worst negotiation he's ever seen. Score one for Donald.
Then I heard he questioned who would ever vote for Carly Fiorina with "that face".
Uggh.
I just don't know what to think about him...







Narcacisst. Ego maniac. Jindal has him pegged like a one legged sailor.

[Black Diamond]

Sorry, but he's right Trump was definitively left-leaning until this year, when he suddenly starts spouting whatever insults he figures will win him republican votes. That he's even being considered a possibile candidate is evidence of just how desperate the Republicans are getting.
It has nothing to do with desperation. Speaking of desperation, though, how is Hillary doing?

[Noir]

Right now the left and the Trump haters are Desperate...and looking for anything...ANYTHING...

and it's just so damned difficult to find anything...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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The fact that people seriously consider voting for this trash is tragic.

Some people find his not being all PC'ed out the ass refreshing and desperately needed.

Media doesn't, Washington DOESN'T, DEMS DON'T AND HIS HATERS DON'T...

THATS FINE WITH ME BUT I DAMN SURE DO!!! -- :beer:--tYR

[fj1200]

... his not being all PC'ed out the ass ...

That could be one qualification for President. :rolleyes:

[LongTermGuy]

Some people find his not being all PC'ed out the ass refreshing and desperately needed.

Media doesn't, Washington DOESN'T, DEMS DON'T AND HIS HATERS DON'T...

THATS FINE WITH ME BUT I DAMN SURE DO!!! -- :beer:--tYR

:salute::beer:

[revelarts]

also seems that Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, yet.
But says he'll learn about it AFTER he's president.

Also Trump seems have adopted Ron Paul's general take on foreign policy.
That is we should not be the police of the world


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrOvBVoXZEs

haven't heard anyone calling Trump an "isolationist" ... or "crazy" of trying to turn back the clock?

Amazingly this issues one of the few i agree with Trump on. Who else is with him here huh?
He's got the best interest of the country at heart here too right? Give him the benny of the doubt right. It must be a good plan Trump said it.. right?
right?
right?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

also seems that Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, yet.
But says he'll learn about it AFTER he's president.

Also Trump seems have adopted Ron Paul's general take on foreign policy.
That is we should not be the police of the world


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrOvBVoXZEs

haven't heard anyone calling Trump an "isolationist" ... or "crazy" of trying to turn back the clock?

Amazingly this issues one of the few i agree with Trump on. Who else is with him here huh?
He's got the best interest of the country at heart here too right? Give him the benny of the doubt right. It must be a good plan Trump said it.. right?
right?
right?

Does it matter? No difference--they are both are stinking murdering, muslim terrorist groups and both need to be utterly destroyed, wipe off the face of the planet!

Would you rather that he kiss their stinking murdering asses as the lib/dems do?????????????????????-Tyr

[tailfins]

Does it matter? No difference--they are both are stinking murdering, muslim terrorist groups and both need to be utterly destroyed, wipe off the face of the planet!

Would you rather that he kiss their stinking murdering asses as the lib/dems do?????????????????????-Tyr

No need to get all emotional about it; just do it.

[Noir]

Does it matter? No difference--they are both are stinking murdering, muslim terrorist groups and both need to be utterly destroyed, wipe off the face of the planet!

Would you rather that he kiss their stinking murdering asses as the lib/dems do?????????????????????-Tyr

You see this ignorance as a positive?

[tailfins]

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The fact that people seriously consider voting for this trash is tragic.

I would vote for him, just not for President. The GOP cannot afford to lose the Presidency. Furthermore, he has no record to run on. Talk is cheap.

[Trigg]

Obama had no record to run on and the world media paraded him around like a rock star.

He was a community organizer who lost his law license and was an Illinois senator for a whole 3 years (most of which he spent running for president).



At least Trump is a known business man who understands money management and isn't afraid to say what he thinks

[revelarts]

so what do you guys think of Trump's comments here.

"Trump said that he’s “always felt that I was in the military” because he went to New York Military Academy, a military-themed boarding school. Trump’s parents sent him to the expensive preparatory school to correct poor behavior when he was younger. The billionaire businessman’s time at New York Military Academy gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military,” Trump reportedly told D’Antonio."

link blaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/08/donald-trump-says-his-boarding-school-gave-him-more-training-militarily-than-a-lot-of-the-guys-that-go-into-the-military/)

[red state]

I agree, but it isn't just republicans that are getting desperate, as the country swirls around in the bowl, ready to be flushed I think most are getting desperate. Trump is spitting out insults and the American people are willing to listen and laugh with him, because he is blaming everyone for the state of our Country, he is running at a great time to just sling sheot and blame all for all that is wrong.
:clap:

Which is why I've said for years that I wouldn't be surprised in the least if B.O. doesn't simply "extend" his stay......he certainly seems to have set everything up for such an occasion. Interesting times.

[LongTermGuy]

Sorry, but he's right Trump was definitively left-leaning until this year, when he suddenly starts spouting whatever insults he figures will win him republican votes. That he's even being considered a possibile candidate is evidence of just how desperate the Republicans are getting.

Trump has learned a lot...we "Americans" have all learned a lot in the past 7 years...Life is a learning experience for all humans....None of us came out perfect when we were born...Trump is neither Republican or a Democrat anymore...Now...He is an American....Loves this country which has been good to him....*He says it like it is....There is nothing else in Life he can gain or wants except to help the country....all the other candidates are either to weak....depend on other people or are to "nice"...and "Polite"...boring..."respectful"....>>*useless qualities when dealing with Liberalism....Illegal Parasites and muslim roaches...Trump "hits back" hard....nothing "PC"....cute... or `wittie`...Just to the point....

Trump 2016!

[LongTermGuy]

so what do you guys think of Trump's comments here.

"Trump said that he’s “always felt that I was in the military” because he went to New York Military Academy, a military-themed boarding school. Trump’s parents sent him to the expensive preparatory school to correct poor behavior when he was younger. The billionaire businessman’s time at New York Military Academy gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military,” Trump reportedly told D’Antonio."

link blaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/08/donald-trump-says-his-boarding-school-gave-him-more-training-militarily-than-a-lot-of-the-guys-that-go-into-the-military/)


Bla bla bla....***who are you for hommie? Or you just gonna bitch? *Like most of the Trump hating big all talk PUSSIES here....again Who are You for?...Let us know...*let me know...Then I can dig some petty Bullshit up too...One more time who are you for?

*Take your time I will be waiting and get back to you....

[revelarts]

Bla bla bla....***who are you for hommie? Or you just gonna bitch? *Like most of the Trump hating big all talk PUSSIES here....again Who are You for?...Let us know...*let me know...Then I can dig some petty Bullshit up too...One more time who are you for?

*Take your time I will be waiting and get back to you....
haven't made up my mind yet LTG. I'm still undecided. I know who i'm NOT voting for , Hillary, Biden Bernie, Bush or Trump .

seems you need to man up answer and my question though. Instead of BS name calling. be a man... or whatever ... answer the question.
what do you think about his comment?
seems you don't have it in you be completely honest about some of the stuff Trumps been saying or the positions he's taken that DON'T seem to align with what you or conservatives have promoted in the past.

And you treat Trump like a precious little girl that shouldn't be criticized, (while she's criticizing everyone else BTW) If someone says, look she's got a snotty nose and piss on her dress. and suggest She needs to clean up. You pretend it's not there and refuse to address it and want to find fault with other girls.

If Trump's such an AMERICAN Manly Man he can take honest criticism.
even if his supporters can't seem to bear it. Or come up with consistent or conservative reasons why they still support the guy.

[Black Diamond]

haven't made up my mind yet LTG. I'm still undecided. I know who i'm NOT voting for , Hillary, Biden Bernie, Bush or Trump .

seems you need to man up answer and my question though. Instead of BS name calling. be a man... or whatever ... answer the question.
what do you think about his comment?
seems you don't have it in you be completely honest about some of the stuff Trumps been saying or the positions he's taken that DON'T seem to align with what you or conservatives have promoted in the past.

And you treat Trump like a precious little girl that shouldn't be criticized, (while she's criticizing everyone else BTW) If someone says, look she's got a snotty nose and piss on her dress. and suggest She needs to clean up. You pretend it's not there and refuse to address it and want to find fault with other girls.

If Trump's such an AMERICAN Manly Man he can take honest criticism.
even if his supporters can't seem to bear it. Or come up with consistent or conservative reasons why they still support the guy.

Trump reference?

[Black Diamond]

also seems that Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, yet.
But says he'll learn about it AFTER he's president.

Also Trump seems have adopted Ron Paul's general take on foreign policy.
That is we should not be the police of the world


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrOvBVoXZEs

haven't heard anyone calling Trump an "isolationist" ... or "crazy" of trying to turn back the clock?

Amazingly this issues one of the few i agree with Trump on. Who else is with him here huh?
He's got the best interest of the country at heart here too right? Give him the benny of the doubt right. It must be a good plan Trump said it.. right?
right?
right?
McCain was screwing things up, too in 2008. Mixing up countries and stuff. Still wish he had beaten the ass wipe in chief we have now.

[Jeff]

That could be one qualification for President. :rolleyes:

It's refreshing to see that is for sure, a candidate that isn't afraid to step on some toes, well that is one up in my books, in fact I think that call that telling the truth, Nope I agree, shouldn't be a qualification at all. :laugh:

[Jeff]

:clap:

Which is why I've said for years that I wouldn't be surprised in the least if B.O. doesn't simply "extend" his stay......he certainly seems to have set everything up for such an occasion. Interesting times.

Agree 100%, scary times really.

[jimnyc]

I've been reading tons and tons and tons, on a daily basis, just as I do yearly. I make sure I know who I want before the primary voting really even begins. Rubio was number one for me and then Trump. Now it's Trump in the lead, then Cruz. I like their tough stances and take no shit attitudes. And while they are the leaders, they would both have a thousand other folks working behind the scenes, some with more common sense where some of the leaders lack.

I'm tired of the politically correct crap. And someone who can talk to both sides, and then absolutely nothing gets done (yes, I know we need that, but not an appeaser I mean). I'm tired of seeing our leaders kiss foreign asses. I'm tired of the status quo. NOTHING can be worse than letting Obama run rampant for 8 years. From what I see thus far, the only way we stay the same or get worse is if Hillary gets into office. Hell, I don't even think 25% of the Dems want that anymore.

But yes, out of all of the GOP candidates, they all offer something different as to what they want and how they plan to lead. From there we all have our own differences which will change our favorite candidates. I think we're all looking for similar, but some of our "favorites" as to what we're looking for makes us seek different candidates.

[sundaydriver]

I went to high school with a guy that worked at a burger franchise after school. He was a pretty wacky guy that admitted to spitting on burgers during grilling on occasion when he was pissed. A couple of years later he went to and graduated from the Culinary Institute and worked in Fla. where he was notice by Trump who hired him as his personal chef at his estate for several years. For years after when hearing Trumps name, my first though was of Barry "the spitter" cooking for him. :laugh:

[fj1200]

It's refreshing to see that is for sure, a candidate that isn't afraid to step on some toes, well that is one up in my books, in fact I think that call that telling the truth, Nope I agree, shouldn't be a qualification at all. :laugh:

Seems to be all he has though. :eek:

[jimnyc]

Seems to be all he has though. :eek:

I've personally posted quite a few of his stances on some issues. What are the major stances that the other candidates are tossing out there all the time that Trump has no stance on?

[DLT]

!sarcasm alert!
Kathianne you obviously are being completely unfair and assuming the worse of Trump. He really only MEANT the things that we LIKE of course. If you were a REAL conservative you'd know that. Have you gone liberal?!
And plus he has a right to change his mind willy nilly. He just wants to do what he think is best. The point is we know his motives are pure and uh ... constitutional of course.... That's called leadership! he's NOTHING like any other politician every. we should trust him and only believe the best.
Anyway I'm sure he's going to do better than any stinking liberals or the those other weak republicans. and Plus he's going to build a wall to keep out the scary Mexicans which is the most important thing in the world for the U.S. ever ever!!!
I'm disappointed that you don't get that, i know you... in the past... had some good judgment, sad to see you're slipping.

All sarcasm aside...I would love to know how he plans to "force" Mexico to pay for the building of that border fence/wall. Seriously? I would also like to know what ""epiphany"" he had to have had, and what prompted it, that caused him to go from being for "Hillary for President" in 2010 to suddenly being a ""Republican"". Again....seriously? How stupid would we have to be to believe he could switch that easily from donating to Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Hillary and other rabidly leftist DemocRats.....to being the swell guy pretenda-conservative presidential candidate?

And more to the point....it begs the question....if he can switch that quickly and that easily....what makes anyone think that he couldn't or wouldn't 'switch back' if he won the presidency? No...we can't afford to take a chance on a candidate with this track record (liberal). It is far too crucial an election. We HAVE to get this right (pardon pun). And Trump ain't no conservative...which is the ONLY thing that will save us at this point....a conservative candidate (like Cruz, Walker, etc.).

[fj1200]

I've personally posted quite a few of his stances on some issues. What are the major stances that the other candidates are tossing out there all the time that Trump has no stance on?

Considering he has 1 position, immigration reform, listed on his website what is the basis for his fanatical support?

[jimnyc]

Considering he has 1 position, immigration reform, listed on his website what is the basis for his fanatical support?

Surely you don't rely only on his website? He's given tons of interviews and has done many appearances. I guess you didn't watch any of them. He has touched on the Iran deal, foreign trade, illegal immigration, ISIS, retaining US companies, abortion, education... just to name a few of course.

I don't understand how some dismiss him so easily, when it's obvious they didn't pay attention to him or seek out his stances at all. :)

[Black Diamond]

All sarcasm aside...I would love to know how he plans to "force" Mexico to pay for the building of that border fence/wall. Seriously? I would also like to know what ""epiphany"" he had to have had, and what prompted it, that caused him to go from being for "Hillary for President" in 2010 to suddenly being a ""Republican"". Again....seriously? How stupid would we have to be to believe he could switch that easily from donating to Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Hillary and other rabidly leftist DemocRats.....to being the swell guy pretenda-conservative presidential candidate?

And more to the point....it begs the question....if he can switch that quickly and that easily....what makes anyone think that he couldn't or wouldn't 'switch back' if he won the presidency? No...we can't afford to take a chance on a candidate with this track record (liberal). It is far too crucial an election. We HAVE to get this right (pardon pun). And Trump ain't no conservative...which is the ONLY thing that will save us at this point....a conservative candidate (like Cruz, Walker, etc.).

For the wall, he stated he would use a tariff or similar instrument to get Mexico to pay.

[fj1200]

Surely you don't rely only on his website? He's given tons of interviews and has done many appearances. I guess you didn't watch any of them. He has touched on the Iran deal, foreign trade, illegal immigration, ISIS, retaining US companies, abortion, education... just to name a few of course.

I don't understand how some dismiss him so easily, when it's obvious they didn't pay attention to him or seek out his stances at all. :)

For an official plan with specifics I would rely on his website; Silly me. I would expect that many here, and if you posted them it would be on me, that his supporters would be vociferously extolling his conservative plans and what-not that will have us on the right track.

But you might be right, I dismiss him fairly easily in the same manner that others dismissed Jeb, McCain, and Romney as not conservative enough and coming to it late in life.

[Black Diamond]

For an official plan with specifics I would rely on his website; Silly me. I would expect that many here, and if you posted them it would be on me, that his supporters would be vociferously extolling his conservative plans and what-not that will have us on the right track.

But you might be right, I dismiss him fairly easily in the same manner that others dismissed Jeb, McCain, and Romney as not conservative enough and coming to it late in life.
I am a bit concerned, too. But At what point in life did Reagan switch from democrat to Republican?

[fj1200]

I am a bit concerned, too. But At what point in life did Reagan switch from democrat to Republican?

Did Reagan change or did the parties change? Either way, it was decades before he ran for POTUS.

[DLT]

For the wall, he stated he would use a tariff or similar instrument to get Mexico to pay.

A tariff? On what, pray tell? How much do we actually import from Mexico, other than illegals, that is?

Sounds delusional and unrealistic, to me. Like ...'pie in the sky' ...not to mention lame and offhand campaign promises, to me. And you know how many campaign promises ever actually get fulfilled?

Think about it.

We have been promised that border fence/wall for how long now? And someone that 'was' ok with Hillary for President is going to finally follow through? I don't think so.

[Black Diamond]

Did Reagan change or did the parties change? Either way, it was decades before he ran for POTUS.

I know he said the party left him. But was that in jest?

[jimnyc]

For an official plan with specifics I would rely on his website; Silly me. I would expect that many here, and if you posted them it would be on me, that his supporters would be vociferously extolling his conservative plans and what-not that will have us on the right track.

But you might be right, I dismiss him fairly easily in the same manner that others dismissed Jeb, McCain, and Romney as not conservative enough and coming to it late in life.

It would be a waste of my time to debate any Trump issues if you refuse to do the smallest of searches (Google is your friend), and apparently haven't watched any campaign stops, interviews or appearances. I simply pointed out that you are extremely wrong when you say he has only one position, when getting his position on MANY issues is quite easy. There are even neat little sites that will put it all one place to make it easier for those wondering what the candidates stances are, even with cool links to their interviews and videos. :)

Alternatively, one can take a mere few seconds, go to Google and search the issue they may be interested in: like maybe "Donald Trump on ..." But if you have no desire to know what his stances are, then again, there's little point in anyone "telling" you what they are, or providing links and videos.

[Black Diamond]

A tariff? On what, pray tell? How much do we actually import from Mexico, other than illegals, that is?

Sounds delusional and unrealistic, to me. Like ...'pie in the sky' ...not to mention lame and offhand campaign promises, to me. And you know how many campaign promises ever actually get fulfilled?

Think about it.

We have been promised that border fence/wall for how long now? And someone that 'was' ok with Hillary for President is going to finally follow through? I don't think so.

Trump isn't my first choice (although not my last either). He has plenty of "i will just do it" answers and not a lot of specifics. He is selling us on himself, not his policies.

[DLT]

Today, I heard Donald Trump say the Iran deal is the single worst negotiation he's ever seen. Score one for Donald.
Then I heard he questioned who would ever vote for Carly Fiorina with "that face".
Uggh.
I just don't know what to think about him...

Look...if you want to support and/or vote for Trump, be my guest. But here's my theory. The left (including Hillary) is/was scared to death that the right would choose someone like Ted Cruz or Scott Walker as the GOP candidate (fat chance with the RINO traitors stumping for Bush) that would be highly popular among non-leftist voters. So what did they do? They got Donald Trump to run to distract voters AWAY from candidates like Walker, Cruz, etc. And it worked splendidly....since the left knows how easily distracted some on the right always are.

Now....show me one candidate on the right that has had overwhelming popularity that has resorted to petty squabbles with females....even females in politics, other than Donald Trump. And then, ironically, he gives lip service to Sarah Palin (another distraction) who, coincidentally, received the most vitriol from even GOPers in 2008. If you find one that has done the same thing Trump did, then tell me if that candidate ended up getting MORE support for that pettiness. I posit that you won't find one.

So the question is....with Trump....is he making the GOP look bad to the public? Of course. He's running AS a Republican. Is it intentional? I think it just might be.

[Black Diamond]

On health care, Trump says he likes health savings accounts and getting rid of the state boundaries.

[DLT]

Trump isn't my first choice (although not my last either). He has plenty of "i will just do it" answers and not a lot of specifics. He is selling us on himself, not his policies.

True. But for 'some' reason....I have become highly cynical and skeptical of any and all of these campaign promises. I consider them symbolism, not substance. I tend to go on candidates' past history of, if not political actions, their personal ones re: who and what they supported. And Trump does not pass that smell test with me.

That said....if forced to choose between a DemocRat....ANY DemocRat....and Trump...I would probably vote for him, depending upon who he chose as a running mate. He would have to choose someone conservative. And that does not include Ben Carson.

[fj1200]

A tariff? On what, pray tell? How much do we actually import from Mexico...


Mexico's exports to America amounted to
$297 billion or 12.3% of its overall imports.
http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top_us_imports.html

I think we need to run away fast from any protectionist position. We need to be the party of freedom and that should include free trade IMO.


I know he said the party left him. But was that in jest?

I think the movement of the parties is fairly evident. I think even Gunny will say something similar.


It would be a waste of my time to debate any Trump issues if you refuse to do the smallest of searches (Google is your friend), and apparently haven't watched any campaign stops, interviews or appearances. I simply pointed out that you are extremely wrong when you say he has only one position, when getting his position on MANY issues is quite easy. There are even neat little sites that will put it all one place to make it easier for those wondering what the candidates stances are, even with cool links to their interviews and videos. :)

Alternatively, one can take a mere few seconds, go to Google and search the issue they may be interested in: like maybe "Donald Trump on ..." But if you have no desire to know what his stances are, then again, there's little point in anyone "telling" you what they are, or providing links and videos.

I'm sure he has plenty of other statements of things he thinks. Thought out positions are a different manner but I'll debate any position that you post (it seems so many of them are buried in multiple Trump threads but as I said I'll take responsibility). I even debated in favor of his zero corporate tax position (if he still holds it) with Rev and I'll debate against his one-time wealth tax position (if he still holds it) if you like. Besides, I looked here:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

There are enough contradictory things there to wonder who the current Trump is. I'm only saying I don't understand the enthusiasm for him when others were tossed aside for similar reasons.

[fj1200]

On health care, Trump says he likes health savings accounts and getting rid of the state boundaries.

He also said this:




[*=left]We must have universal health care. (Jul 2000)

[fj1200]

Today, I heard Donald Trump say the Iran deal is the single worst negotiation he's ever seen. Score one for Donald.

Just wondering: He negotiates a "better" deal. What does that look like?

[Black Diamond]

He also said this:

Yeah he did. And he was pro choice and then some in 1999. Even though he hated abortion, he was extremely pro choice

[DLT]

On health care, Trump says he likes health savings accounts and getting rid of the state boundaries.

You mean....getting rid of state boundaries when it comes to healthcare only? That's a weird way to put it. An off-putting way, in fact. Question is, would Trump act to repeal Obamacare? Has he said he would? Don't think so. Trump is on record, in fact, of supporting the intended end result of the left fubaring our healthcare system in the first place...which is single-payer.

[Black Diamond]

You mean....getting rid of state boundaries when it comes to healthcare only? That's a weird way to put it. An off-putting way, in fact. Question is, would Trump act to repeal Obamacare? Has he said he would? Don't think so. Trump is on record, in fact, of supporting the intended end result of the left fubaring our healthcare system in the first place...which is single-payer.
getting rid of state boundaries when it comes to buying insurance. it's a common republican solution to the health care problem.

[DLT]

getting rid of state boundaries when it comes to buying insurance. it's a common republican solution to the health care problem.

Yeah, and it would be so easy to do....since most of these insurance companies are national. So why haven't they already done it? Because the leftist DemocRats don't want anything passed that would be positive or productive that might hinder their efforts to get government-run(ruined) single-payer healthcare, like the VA for everyone (shudder). Anything that actually solves problems is a bad thing to them re: their agenda, IOW.

[Black Diamond]

Yeah, and it would be so easy to do....since most of these insurance companies are national. So why haven't they already done it? Because the leftist DemocRats don't want anything passed that would be positive or productive that might hinder their efforts to get government-run(ruined) single-payer healthcare, like the VA for everyone (shudder). Anything that actually solves problems is a bad thing to them re: their agenda, IOW.
Can't argue with ya there.

[Black Diamond]

I think the more things fall apart in the next 6-12 months, the more Trump's chances improve. Market continues to fall, cops continue to get shot, Middle East continues to fall into the abyss, etc. This keeps up, people will more and more want a bold, brash, arrogant leader who doesn't pull punches.

[jimnyc]

You mean....getting rid of state boundaries when it comes to healthcare only? That's a weird way to put it. An off-putting way, in fact. Question is, would Trump act to repeal Obamacare? Has he said he would? Don't think so. Trump is on record, in fact, of supporting the intended end result of the left fubaring our healthcare system in the first place...which is single-payer.

He's on record stating that Obamacare is a disaster and needs to be scrapped as well. He wanted it tossed out when it was in front of SCOTUS. Would he actually act to repeal? He said he would several times - but I don't think any of them will unless they have a strong congress on their side as well. It won't be fixed overnight with an EO.

[Black Diamond]

He's on record stating that Obamacare is a disaster and needs to be scrapped as well. He wanted it tossed out when it was in front of SCOTUS. Would he actually act to repeal? He said he would several times - but I don't think any of them will unless they have a strong congress on their side as well. It won't be fixed overnight with an EO.
Would you have a problem with Trump (or any president) throwing it out by executive order?

[jimnyc]

Would you have a problem with Trump (or any president) throwing it out by executive order?

At this point, yes, because SCOTUS has already had their say. At this point really all that can be done is massive overhauls, or a repeal via congress with a replacement perhaps. But I can't see anyone literally doing away with this, with a pen, and overnight. I think congress passed this crap and put it in there, congress will need to undo it.

[red state]

All sarcasm aside...I would love to know how he plans to "force" Mexico to pay for the building of that border fence/wall. Seriously? I would also like to know what ""epiphany"" he had to have had, and what prompted it, that caused him to go from being for "Hillary for President" in 2010 to suddenly being a ""Republican"". Again....seriously? How stupid would we have to be to believe he could switch that easily from donating to Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Hillary and other rabidly leftist DemocRats.....to being the swell guy pretenda-conservative presidential candidate?

And more to the point....it begs the question....if he can switch that quickly and that easily....what makes anyone think that he couldn't or wouldn't 'switch back' if he won the presidency? No...we can't afford to take a chance on a candidate with this track record (liberal). It is far too crucial an election. We HAVE to get this right (pardon pun). And Trump ain't no conservative...which is the ONLY thing that will save us at this point....a conservative candidate (like Cruz, Walker, etc.).


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap: If I had a SPOT ON Award,,,,,the above most certainly won it for the day.

[Abbey Marie]

Just wondering: He negotiates a "better" deal. What does that look like?

You cannot be serious. Just about anything would be a better deal.
Here's one just for starters: Any deal must include returning the 4 Americans being held in Iran.
It's a non-starter, otherwise.

I'll bet if you try hard, you too can come up with a better deal.

[jimnyc]

You cannot be serious. Just about anything would be a better deal.
Here's one for just starters: Any deal must include returning the 4 Americans being held in Iran.
It's a non-starter, otherwise.

I'll bet if you try hard, you too can come up with a better deal.

Telling them "fuck it, go build a nuke" would have been a better plan. We would have saved money and ended up with the same results.

[Abbey Marie]

Telling them "fuck it, go build a nuke" would have been a better plan. We would have saved money and ended up with the same results.


Lol, sometimes simple is best. :cool:

[fj1200]

You cannot be serious.

Of course I'm serious and it's not about you or I coming up with a better deal it's about Trump coming up with a better deal. He says he can get a better deal, what is it and how does he get it?

[Truth Detector]

Today, I heard Donald Trump say the Iran deal is the single worst negotiation he's ever seen. Score one for Donald.
Then I heard he questioned who would ever vote for Carly Fiorina with "that face".
Uggh.
I just don't know what to think about him...

Thats easy peasy; Trump is an arrogant self promoting fool who hasn't given the office of the President a single intelligent thought ..... which is why when asked for substance, he usually erupts with you'll know it when I roll it out, OR, the people in charge are the dumbest people ever. Gullible, angry low information fools gobble his crap up like a goose being prepared for foise gras.

For the most recent example of this, here s the video:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gp3JK_r2oT4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gp3JK_r2oT4%5b/video%5d)

[Black Diamond]

Of course I'm serious and it's not about you or I coming up with a better deal it's about Trump coming up with a better deal. He says he can get a better deal, what is it and how does he get it?

Anyone with America's best interest in mind would have come up with a better deal. And that includes trump. He has said some of the things he would have done differently

[Truth Detector]

Anyone with America's best interest in mind would have come up with a better deal. And that includes trump. He has said some of the things he would have done differently

Remember what Obamatards said way back? Here's the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqIMF-eOL1U#t=22

[Abbey Marie]

Of course I'm serious and it's not about you or I coming up with a better deal it's about Trump coming up with a better deal. He says he can get a better deal, what is it and how does he get it?

You almost couldn't fail to have gotten a better deal. And if Trump is good at anything, it's negotiating beneficial deals. I find it funny that you questioned Trump's abilities in this area, of all things. You wouldn't by any chance be finding fault with everything the man does, would you? Or maybe it's just putting the poster on the defensive, asking them to defend or explain their position at a level of detail that might annoy them into retreating?

I have noticed that when someone does not like a candidate, they tend to claim he or she "doesn't give specifics", so cannot be taken seriously, or is obviously lying. And if that candidate is not a politician, they have no official record to look at.

I have been complaining right here about both debates for being gotcha sessions, with little attempt to bring out candidates' positions, let alone details. But we are looking at 11 candidates, and even in 3 hours, there is only so much detail that can be given before people fall asleep. I heard Fiorina say that she is not ready to discuss Social Security or Medicare yet, but haven't seen criticism of her for it. And so it goes.

I trust the process, in that as candidates are winnowed down, we will know much better who intends to do what. They can only speak in generalities for so long. And I am not on board for Trump. I just think it is too soon to write someone off for such a reason, with the election over a year away.

[fj1200]

Anyone with America's best interest in mind would have come up with a better deal. And that includes trump. He has said some of the things he would have done differently

I don't disagree. BO was too interested in getting ANY deal IMO.


You almost couldn't fail to have gotten a better deal. And if Trump is good at anything, it's negotiating beneficial deals. I find it funny that you questioned Trump's abilities in this area, of all things. You wouldn't by any chance be finding fault with everything the man does, would you? Or maybe it's just putting the poster on the defensive, asking them to defend or explain their position at a level of detail that might annoy them into retreating?

I have noticed that when someone does not like a candidate, they tend to claim he or she "doesn't give specifics", so cannot be taken seriously, or is obviously lying. And if that candidate is not a politician, they have no official record to look at.

I have been complaining right here about both debates for being gotcha sessions, with little attempt to bring out candidates' positions, let alone details. But we are looking at 11 candidates, and even in 3 hours, there is only so much detail that can be given before people fall asleep. I heard Fiorina say that she is not ready to discuss Social Security or Medicare yet, but haven't seen criticism of her for it. And so it goes.

I trust the process, in that as candidates are winnowed down, we will know much better who intends to do what. They can only speak in generalities for so long. And I am not on board for Trump. I just think it is too soon to write someone off for such a reason, with the election over a year away.

I only asked what a better deal looks like according to Trump. I'm sure he can negotiate deals but I do think he's more marketing than financial genius.

And I think you misunderstand I don't fault him for the lack of specifics necessarily but one position on his website? Come on; any intern can bang out a position piece for him. I have been asking why he has the support that he has when he comes late to conservatism and can be likened in that respect to McCain and Romney. Being anti-PC is not a qualification and neither is breaking out the claws against those who should be on the same side as he.

FWIW I trust the process as well. We have to trust the process because it's all we have.

[revelarts]

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[jimnyc]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb_c13532220150921120100.jpg

Just like Democrats, trying to make believe that a few insults is all Trump has covered.

[Kathianne]

Just like Democrats, trying to make believe that a few insults is all Trump has covered.

So to criticize his name calling makes one a democrat? A liberal? Stupid? A sheeple? (Wait, he's 'winning' so they can't be sheep.)

[jimnyc]

So to criticize his name calling makes one a democrat? A liberal? Stupid? A sheeple? (Wait, he's 'winning' so they can't be sheep.)

No, to criticize that, and then make believe he has not covered another stance at all.

Why are you getting like this with me? Because I told Rev a cartoon was 'dem like'? I don't think I got sarcastic with you. But whatever. I would rather talk like adults than post cartoons and ignore the stances. Have at it.

[Kathianne]

No, to criticize that, and then make believe he has not covered another stance at all.

Why are you getting like this with me? Because I told Rev a cartoon was 'dem like'? I don't think I got sarcastic with you. But whatever. I would rather talk like adults than post cartoons and ignore the stances. Have at it.

I agree. I've been trying to keep remarks to news and noting only my opinions when appropriate. I've refrained from name calling. I respect that many others, the majority here have opinions on a candidate different from my own. Being in the minority regarding a candidate doesn't make one a democrat, liberal, or any other label. Nor should one be required to add a disclaimer ** to any post that doesn't meet with majority opinion.

**Trump has stated his positions.

For the record, I too am not keen on posting just cartoons or videos without some poster comment on relevancy.

[Kathianne]

Wow, Jim and I disagree on something, how unusual! :laugh2: Somehow we still manage to talk it through and remain friends, something to be considered.

[revelarts]

No, to criticize that, and then make believe he has not covered another stance at all.

but i didn't "and then" though did I?

I just criticized his mouthing off and how it hurts the Republicans.

OK, so maybe when i "make believe he has not covered another stance at all."
then you might want to paint a me democrat or how about a conservative who hasn't read Trumps policies.

Look Jim when you pissed on Ron Paul calling him bs names without any real substantive comments on his policies or words i don't think i replied by calling you a democrat or liberal. But with a lot of people on this board if you don't support Trump or the RED FLAVOR of the MONTH person, official or issue then you're AUTOMATICALLY hit with the label "leftist", "democrat" , "commie" , "PC", "Obama supporter" "Anti-American" or the like.

It's piss poor debate,
and seems to be a lame attempt to exclude people from the conservative group.
Or a lame attempt to coral people back into the ever narrowing conservative herd mentality.

If's it meant to try and exclude folks like me and my opinions from what's considered honest conservative conservation we'll then it's starting to work. I feel the Republicans are less and less friendly to folks like me on a lot of levels.

[Abbey Marie]

but i didn't "and then" though did I?

I just criticized his mouthing off and how it hurts the Republicans.

OK, so maybe when i "make believe he has not covered another stance at all."
then you might want to paint a me democrat or how about a conservative who hasn't read Trumps policies.

Look Jim when you pissed on Ron Paul calling him bs names without any real substantive comments on his policies or words i don't think i replied by calling you a democrat or liberal. But with a lot of people on this board if you don't support Trump or the RED FLAVOR of the MONTH person, official or issue then you're AUTOMATICALLY hit with the label "leftist", "democrat" , "commie" , "PC", "Obama supporter" Anti-American or the like.

It's piss poor debate,
and seems to be a lame attempt to exclude people from the conservative group.
Or a lame attempt to coral people back into the ever narrowing conservative herd mentality.

If's it meant to try and exclude folks like me and my opinions from what's considered honest conservative conservation we'll then it's starting to work. I feel the Republicans are less and less friendly to folks like me on a lot of levels.


To be fair, Rev, there has been lots of criticism of those who support Trump, as well.

I think it would be great if we Conservatives stop and look at how much we have in common, instead of the relatively small issues that separate us. We have a common and fairly united enemy (who I think will destroy this nation), who LOVES all this in-fighting.

[jimnyc]

It's piss poor debate,

Dude, you posted a fucking picture, and then you'll say what I post is piss poor debate? LOL Try discussing the facts and stances, and stay away from cartoon sites.

[jimnyc]

Wow, Jim and I disagree on something, how unusual! :laugh2: Somehow we still manage to talk it through and remain friends, something to be considered.

Yep, it's called common sense, intelligence, ability to reason.. and of course friendship. And of course, neither one of us generally posts retarded things. :)

[revelarts]

Dude, you posted a fucking picture, and then you'll say what I post is piss poor debate? LOL Try discussing the facts and stances, and stay away from cartoon sites.

Red state (I get the "reds" mixed up) uses cartoons regularly in the same way.
i don't see you correcting him on his use of cartoons.

Again it's just me that you have have problem with bro. (maybe because you agree with his cartoons?)

and you somehow skipped all my other points in your reply.
no problem.

You don't like it if I post You tube vids,
you don't like it if characterize other posters comments.
you don't like it if i post "long" content filled post.
You don't like it now if i post cartoons.
do we see a pattern here.

[Black Diamond]

but i didn't "and then" though did I?

I just criticized his mouthing off and how it hurts the Republicans.

OK, so maybe when i "make believe he has not covered another stance at all."
then you might want to paint a me democrat or how about a conservative who hasn't read Trumps policies.

Look Jim when you pissed on Ron Paul calling him bs names without any real substantive comments on his policies or words i don't think i replied by calling you a democrat or liberal. But with a lot of people on this board if you don't support Trump or the RED FLAVOR of the MONTH person, official or issue then you're AUTOMATICALLY hit with the label "leftist", "democrat" , "commie" , "PC", "Obama supporter" "Anti-American" or the like.

It's piss poor debate,
and seems to be a lame attempt to exclude people from the conservative group.
Or a lame attempt to coral people back into the ever narrowing conservative herd mentality.

If's it meant to try and exclude folks like me and my opinions from what's considered honest conservative conservation we'll then it's starting to work. I feel the Republicans are less and less friendly to folks like me on a lot of levels.

I don't think you're a democrat nor a Republican. I think you're a libertarian.

[revelarts]

I don't think you're a democrat nor a Republican. I think you're a libertarian.

yeah, probably closer to true.
but some libertarians won't have me because i'm to controlling on social issues.
so there ya go.

[Black Diamond]

yeah, probably closer to true.
but some libertarians won't have me because i'm to controlling on social issues.
so there ya go.

Which social issues?

[Abbey Marie]

yeah, probably closer to true.
but some libertarians won't have me because i'm to controlling on social issues.
so there ya go.

I'm not Libertarian, but I can relate to the feeling.

[Abbey Marie]

Which social issues?

My impression is, any socially conservative view is prob not in alignment with Libertarianism.

[Black Diamond]

My impression is, any socially conservative view is prob not in alignment with Libertarianism.

Yeah that seems to be true, although I believed Ron Paul when he said he was pro life, while I don't believe Trump on that issue and didn't believe Romney either.

[revelarts]

Which social issues?
abortion, traditional marriage mainly. i'm not a completely onboard with legalizing all drugs.
but also "church state" issues. I have ZERO problem with religion taught in schools -as history- and --religion survey-.
And science alternatives theories and problems taught with no ref to religion.

[jimnyc]

Red state (I get the "reds" mixed up) uses cartoons regularly in the same way.
i don't see you correcting him on his use of cartoons.

Again it's just me that you have have problem with bro. (maybe because you agree with his cartoons?)

and you somehow skipped all my other points in your reply.
no problem.

You don't like it I post You tube vids,
you don't like it if characterize other posters comments.
you don't like it if i post "long" content filled post.
You don't like it now if i post cartoons.
do we see a pattern here.

And find me anywhere having debates with pictures. MANY folks complained that RSR would post way too many pictures. I simply learned after awhile to just instantly skip over them without even looking.

Youtube videos aren't much of debating. Nor are cartoons. Nor is gobbledy gook. Nor is misquoting people. Nor is the inability to quote people and then getting quotes wrong. Yes, I do see a pattern. :)

[revelarts]

Yeah that seems to be true, although I believed Ron Paul when he said he was pro life, while I don't believe Trump on that issue and didn't believe Romney either.
Agree 100%

even though i'd wished Paul had an even stronger Pro-Life policy in mind.

[revelarts]

And find me anywhere having debates with pictures. MANY folks complained that RSR would post way too many pictures. I simply learned after awhile to just instantly skip over them without even looking.

Youtube videos aren't much of debating. Nor are cartoons. Nor is gobbledy gook. Nor is misquoting people. Nor is the inability to quote people and then getting quotes wrong. Yes, I do see a pattern. :)

:bye1:

[Perianne]

:bye1:

Hang in there, revelarts. You and Jim just see things differently, just as you and I do. But I still like you. I read all your posts.

[revelarts]

Hang in there, revelarts. You and Jim just see things differently, just as you and I do. But I still like you. I read all your posts.
just ending that line of conversation before it spirals down any farther.

[revelarts]

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